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Despite how long in the tooth the Armada is, I’d still buy one. Why?? Hell, I dunno 😂I think the platform, 5.6 Endurance V8, fairly smooth ride, and decent passenger room is still a good selling point. And not everyone wants to spend $80k-$83k on GM’s new full-size suvs, or at least that’s me. The new tech is cool also. I think the front end restyling will easily grow on a new owner. Honestly, I’ve always been a fan of the Pathfinder-Armada/QX56-80(I own a 2008 QX56) so I’m a little biased. Could it be better, HECK YEAH…without a doubt! But until Nissan decides to really flex with the ground up platform budget, I kinda like where their full size suvs sit. Either way, fabulous review, Matt! Car Gurus is the shit😎
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A good honest review, and as a new owner of an EV6 GT-Line AWD, I agree on some points. I think the major point to emphasize about all EVs is, you really need to have a level 2 home charge station to maximize their practicality (one in a garage really helps) and efficiency. You also need to have realistic expectations about what they do good, and what they don't. They are excellent around the town daily drivers for a significant percentage of the population, but they aren't for everyone - at least at this point in time. ICE cars will continue to exist for many years, and in certain circumstances are more practical than EVs. For my Wife and I, the EV6 is an almost perfect choice that replaced a VW Golf Alltrack I had sold back in July 2021. It has plenty of space, AWD for Colorado winter driving, more than enough range for more than a weeks worth of daily driving, and a fun factor that I've never experienced in any vehicle I've owned (0 to 60 in 4.6 seconds really puts a smile on you face). For us, one EV and one ICE powered car (Acura RDX in our case) is a fantastic balance. However, when we sell the RDX, I'll likely replace it with a PHEV in order to get the best of both worlds.
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Tried it. Bought a 2021 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid instead.
ALL the new Hybrid mid sized Sedans deliver impressive mileage. The big difference is on the Highway where Hybrids generally achieve lower economy than in the city. That is NOT true in the Sonata which actually delivers amazing highway economy, probably due to it's "Tesla like" 0.24 drag coefficient. Styling is subjective so I won't bother going there. Interior and tech wise, I also preferred the Hyundai over the Accord or Camry, and it's "Lane Following Assist" has been noted as one of the best, and most natural feeling/acting, in the industry. I'd have to agree. It's a VERY relaxing vehicle to drive. The Solar Roof on the Sonata is an interesting conversation piece but adds only a little to overall fuel economy, and of course, it does preclude getting an opening Moon Roof. That was of no concern for me. I've owned 3 different vehicles with Sun/Moon Roofs (not by choice) and can probably count on my fingers the number of times they've ever been opened. I prefer silence and air conditioning. Whenever I want fresh air, I hop on my Motorcycle.
One thing is for certain: It's VERY hard to make an economic argument for splurging on a pure EV, regardless of their "Supposed Less Maintenance and Repairs". With the Stellar fuel economy of these modern hybrids AND low gasoline prices, it would take many, many years for ANY payback to materialize.
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Yes! A Hybrid of a popular, reliable vehicle that isn't obscenely HUGE! (And, I don't mean that worst-of-both-worlds abomination known as the Plug-In Hybrid.) Hybrid technology is the pragmatic answer for a vehicle for the masses. Vast majority of whom live in apartment buildings. The vast majority of those buildings are older ones with zero indoor or outdoor parking spots reserved for residents. Forget about plugging in an EV to anything!
Even if the future changes, let's talk about right now. Middle of 2023. There aren't remotely enough outdoor public charging stations to make EVs viable as a realistic solution for the masses. Take NYC. One of the biggest cities in the world. Right around 8.5 Million residents. (No, not for the state. Just New York City itself!) Number of outdoor charging stations right now in the city? 7,028 combined with Newark, NJ and Jersey City. Yeah, that is pathetic. So, outdoor public charging isn't viable for the masses. But using existing structures (gas stations) and existing technology with electrical technology is absolutely viable. Reduced pollution, reduced dependency on foreign oil, reduced everything that everyone can agree needs to be reduced. Hybrids are the realistic future.
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Kudos for reviewing the GT-Line Stinger. At an MSRP of slightly over $40K with AWD, upgraded HK sound with 15 speakers, and a sunroof, it's a screaming bargain. That's especially the case with the addition of the 2.L turbo that replaces the previous 2.0L engine. (That 2.0L version, by the way, is inexplicably retained in the base Genesis G70 model, at least for the present.) With the new engine and AWD 0-60 mph in ideal conditions is 5.1 seconds. That's about 1.5 seconds quicker than the model with the previous engine and only about 0.5 seconds slower than the comparable GT1 and GT2 V6 twin turbo models. Willing to sacrifice half a second in 0-60 time for a savings of up to $14,000? I would.
Furthermore, the GT-Line comes with the same engine as the KIA K5 GT and Sonata N-Line. But each is available only in FWD that without any form of LSD makes putting the full power to the road very difficult. The Stinger's available AWD largely solves that problem. With a significantly more upscale interior and amenities that include greater passenger and cargo space than the K5 or Sonata the MSRP difference of around $4000 for the Stinger seems well worth it. And compared to a top trim Touring model Accord or an XSE Camry V6 with MSRPs around $38K and no AWD, the Stinger is even more appealing.
Finally, it's worth understanding just what kind of vehicle the Stinger is. Unlike its G70 cousin, the Stinger isn't a "sports sedan" in the BMW 3 series mold. Rather, it is a true "GT" (Grand Touring) vehicle designed to transport four or five passengers and their gear at high speeds (100 mph+) over meticulously maintained European highways and over winding backroads many of which were originally laid down by the Romans. Comparable GT vehicles are the far more expensive Audi A7 Sportback and the VW Arteon. The VW is comparably priced to the GT-Line Stinger with slightly less power. That deficit, however, can be eliminated with a relatively inexpensive ECU tune in about half an hour. And for 2022, the US will be getting the Eurospec Version of the Arteon with power and performance comparable to the GT-Line Stinger. I've driven both the current GT-Line Stinger and the R-Line Arteon. For me, the VW wins but only by a nose.
Despite earlier reports that KIA would drop the Stinger after mid-2022, KIA now says that the Stinger will continue at least until the 2023 model. Whether there will be a new generation Stinger, however, is questionable. KIA is putting their performance eggs in the fully electric basket with the EV6, a vehicle with considerably better straight line performance in its top trim than the V6 Stinger. Some speculate that if the Stinger survives it will be an EV, not an ICE vehicle. Time will tell.
What is certain, however, that anyone tempted to purchase a top trim Accord or Camry or the KIA K5 GT or Hyundai Sonata N-Line would be well advised to take a close look at the GT-Line Stinger.
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Update: this car is insane and a '24 Silver Cirrus Magno is now in my garage. Thx to M-B of Rocklin for a great experience. Coming out of the '21 GLC 43 w/the 3.0 Biturbo, I thought that this car would be lacking. It is NOT. The 2024 handles better, brakes better, and goes like a bat-out-of-hell - even while keeping it under 4K RPM for break-in (OK, I admit it, I did hit 5K once). The car is physically larger than the 2021, but feels markedly smaller, lighter, lower and much more like a car than a SUV. The steering is crazy accurate, especially with the rear-axle assist. The interior is well done (other than the issues noted here in the review). MBUX is maturing nicely w/better voice command and features. I enabled a T-Mobile digital hotspot, and can stream Tidal directly to the Burmeister system without using my phone. By the way, the new Burmeister system delivers incredible sound - it's worth the cost of the Pinnacle trim if you're weighing different MSRPs. The digital headlights and HUD are cool tech.
Don't hate on the 4 cylinder, it's a wolf in sheep's clothing. In combo with the new wet clutch MCT, the soundtrack is more F1 than muscle car. Yeah, it sounds a bit anemic at idle versus the Biturbo V6, but step down even part-way on the right-hand pedal and you'll know that the '24 is a real AMG, regardless of cylinder count. Haters gonna hate, but if you haven't driven one, you won't have a valid opinion. I decided to buy it about one mile into the test drive - potential buyer, beware!
I look forward to getting to 1,000 miles on the odometer so that I can drive this car properly. I fear for my license, actually. :)
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Thanks for the review! -- I bought my 2023 Outlander PHEV (SEL Premium) 4 months ago - local dealer (Columbus, Ohio – USA) had 7 Outlander PHEVs on the lot. They now have 11 on the lot with great sales deals. I got mine for $1,200 UNDER MSRP and the dealer gave me $31,500 for my 2018 Acura TLX -- I paid $18,000 plus tax for the Outlander. I have driven 4,356 miles – have used 32 gallons of gas total.
I am plugging it in every night for my daily commute and weekend errands. I have taken 2 road trips of 300 miles round trip each; got 37 “mpg” using “Normal” hybrid mode for these trips. It feels "luxurious" inside -- premium leather, panoramic roof, 360 camera, power folding side mirrors, heated steering wheel, heated front AND rear seats, hands-free tailgate, head up display, Bose speakers AND massaging front seats! If I take a longer drive, I will have no "range anxiety."
Plus, the Outlander has a 10-YEAR WARRANTY. ONE BIG NOTE: the owner's manual clearly states that the 3rd row is ONLY for people under 5' 3." I do not need a 3rd row, so I "tri-fold" it. This opens up a HUGE, DEEP storage well. And, I can stack duffel bag items on the folded 3rd row!
The RAV4 Prime may have better overall mpg, but the 18-month wait and $12,000 "dealer adjustment" are outrageous. One local dealer wanted $65k for loaded Prime with MSRP of $52k. I did not consider Kia or Hyundai brands -- "Kia boys" have stolen 3,000 of them in my area (and assaulted drivers in the process). This is a real issue.
Lastly, my home solar panels were installed 2 months ago. I got a level 2 charger in my garage 3 weeks ago. The Outlander PHEV is the PERFECT choice for me in 2023 --- availability, luxury, value and price -- a great vehicle to "step into" electrification!
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Sti, WRX, Land Cruiser, 4 Runner, BRZ, Miata... I think those are all great examples of analogue vehicles, in some cases, that get accused of being old and outdated but are cherished by purists for their lack of frills and focus in quality, competence, and experience. Good piece, I like your prerogative and agree.., plus yeah buddy, I spy Phish 😆
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The SEL trim for 2022 now comes with a sunroof standard.
Me personally, I'd get that cool Limited trim in Denim, over Denim.
To me, that looks really cool.
Two tone white/denim, and a cool denim interior.
Comes with remote start, but won't run the air, or heat, unless the settings have been setup before turning the engine off, which to me is ok, because you'll just get cold air coming at you on a cold day, anyway.
The remote start is nice to warm the engine up, so when you turn on the heater, you're good to go, no waiting for the engine to warm up.
Really like this, and, would look at this over a comparable Jeep Renegade, which would be more expensive optioned like the Limited trim is.
Oh, butt warmers, too.
Nice on a cool fall day.
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It's pointless to talk about the price of the First Edition, because unless you've already bought one, they aren't available. Second, comparing the price of the top trim to other competitor's base isn't meaningful, either. Bottom line is that if you compare the competition, like the Jeep Compass Trailhawk, you see that the Bronco Sport is better equipped as an off-roader. It's got an electronic locking rear differential that the competition lacks, and that, along with the suspension, puts the Bronco ahead. Noise and gas mileage are issues, but ones you'll find with any vehicle set up for off-road capability, as evinced by the Jeep Wrangler, which is amazing off-road, but doesn't even have lane-keeping as an option! It's all about the abilities you want and what you're willing to give up for them. Maybe the small motor and all-season tires on the lower models would make this a better vehicle if you aren't going off-road, but off-road tires are loud, and lifted suspensions often effect steering/handling. As a compromise vehicle, this seems like it sits in a good place. The Bronco will have more capability and more room, but worse mileage, steering, and noise levels.
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If you told me 14 or so years ago that I would buy a Hyundai and spend about $40K for it, I would have laughed you right out of the room! However, in 2022, here we are! I just got mine two weeks ago, and I love it! I went with the Tuscon Hybrid Limited, and believe me, the extra features on this trim, if you have the budget for it, are money well spent. I did also test the standard gas version, and while it also was very nice, the Hybrid is most definitely the way to go, again, if your budget allows. The safety features are among the best in class. The drive is super smooth, and it has great pickup/acceleration... on the Hybrid version (I admit, the standard gas version drove very nicely too, but the reduced horsepower and torque is apparent). The tech is top notch all around (and I consider myself a techie). Finally, the exterior styling is just, in a word, innovative!
I know the radio and instrument panel for the lack of wireless Android Auto (on the limited version) and the lack of a knob for volume gets a bit of a bum rap, but I think the criticism is a bit overblown on this. Though I agree it is curious the lack of Wireless Android Auto on the Limited trim, the built in GPS honestly is notably better than what you would get with Android Auto anyways... plus it utilizes the full ultrawide screen (which Android Auto only uses part of), and you can still wirelessly charge your phone (bluetooth works perfectly good for casting your playlist on the superior Bose sound system, by the way). As far as the volume keys, I think most of us will find ourselves using the steering wheel mostly for that anyway, so that seems a bit nitpicky, in my opinion, in the grand scheme of things. In short, it looks great, it feels great to drive, has the best standard manufacturer warranty on the market, and just has a lot of great innovations.
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My 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV Premier has front heated and ventilated seats, back heated seats, camera backview mirror, and all safety features for the price tag of $35k OTD. I didn't opt for super cruise, and sun-and-sound package, which could've given me hands-free driving on certain highways and updated audio system with dual sunroof. It gives me 300+ miles on full charge with mostly city driving (in warmer temperature of FL:) where you can use regenerative braking more often. Interior is big with a lot of front and rear legroom, which is an advantage of EUV over Bolt EV. Cargo area is adequate for your everyday haul. GM paid for the level-2 charger installation at my home, which saved me a good amount of money. It qualifies for full $7500 tax credit, so, if I will meet the income requirement to take advantage of that, it will end up costing me $27.5k OTD. Perhaps, the best EV you can get with a lot of passenger room, features, and great mileage for the money. GM's reliability is always questionable, so we will see how it will fare in the long run. So far with 2500 miles in 2 months, there has not been any issues but it is too early to judge the reliability of the car.
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My forester wilderness is on order in BC Canada. Not the prettier one but I went with it because of better mpg, better approach/dep angles, bigger sunroof, less expensive MSRP, better infotainment, better sound system, and a lot less complaints vs. the outback wilderness online from other owners (cracking windshields, slow/non-tactile infotainment, suspension noises, unpredictable turbo boost, bad speakers, plastic cladding is different and fades/discolours quickly). The only thing that would've made the FW perfect is giving it 65 (comes with 60) sidewall size tires like the outback, to suck up bumps and protect the rims a bit. The FW wheels just seem a tab bit small stock eh?
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Congrats on the new gig, Forrest. The excellent work on your own channel appears to have paid off. Keep it up.
As far as the new Sorento is concerned KIA seems to have taken a lesson from Subaru. When the Ascent was introduced I wondered about the future of the Outback. Subaru responded by significantly updating the Outback with new engine options and improved improved interiors and sales have remained relatively strong. KIA faced a similar challenge with the Sorento. To remain relevant KIA needed to update the Sorento in a way that gave it a distinct personality and updated components and features without cannibalizing sales of the Telluride or elevate its MSRP to such a degree that customers opted for a Telluride (or another smaller but still midsize mainstream SUV.)
At 189" long the Sorento retains its place among the large set of smaller midsize SUVs that range from 188" to 192" in length. No change there. It competes directly with the Ford Edge, the VERY closely related Hyundai Santa Fe, the Honda Passport, the recently introduced Toyota Venza, the Chevy Blazer, the Nissan Murano, the Jeep Grand Cherokee, and the Outback among others. In fact, virtually every automaker except Mazda offers a smaller midsize SUV along with their larger midsize SUVs that range from about 195" to 203" long.
The Sorento's unique feature is the standard third row of seats. That's not new. KIA hasn't offered a two row Sorento in the US since the 2017 model year. In 2018 KIA made the third row standard just as the nearly identical Santa Fe dropped its third row option. So what's really new for the new generation Sorento? Quite a bit.
() New engines and transmission options. The 2.5 liter four cylinder engines are new. The naturally aspirated version replaces the 2.4L base engine with some slight improvements in HP and torque. But the more important change is the optional turbo version of the new engine. It replaces the long-in-the-tooth NA V6 and comes with a dual clutch automated manual rather than a traditional torque converter AT. That's almost certainly good news. It's the same engine offered in the Genesis GV70, the GV80, the G80, as well as the Hyundai Sonata N-Line and the KIA K5 GT. The 8 speed DCT is a new unit, too. Hyundai/KIA's earlier DCT didn't get great reviews but the new version appears to be a significantly better wet clutch unit. It's usually good advice to be skeptical about new engines and transmissions until possible kinks are worked out. But the fact that Genesis/Hyundai/KIA have the confidence to offer their well known 10 yr/100K drivetrain warranty with so many vehicles offers considerable reassurance. All in all, better performance combined with improved fuel economy (a traditional weakness of KIA and Hyundai ICE engines) means dropping the V6 were big reasons to replace it with the turbo 4 banger. Then there are the forthcoming hybrid and plug-in hybrid versions of the Sorento. I'll wait to see some independent assessments of those versions but I suspect that Toyota and other automakers are looking over their shoulders nervously.
() New interior designs. For those accustomed to the last generation Sorento, the 2021 version will be largely familiar. Nevertheless, lots of new shapes and materials along with some new features. It's not surprising to see KIA eliminate some features from the revamped Sorento in order to contain costs and avoid intruding on the MSRP's of the Telluride. And for the most part the deletions from the previous generation (and from the versions of the Sorento in international markets including Korea where the Telluride isn't offered) are relatively minor. Have to say, though, that the elimination driver's seat memory is a significant loss (imo.) We own a 2018 Sorento and have 3 drivers in the family. My wife and teenage daughter are close enough in size to share settings (or adjust them slightly) when each drives. But the two person memory settings are a huge convenience when I drive the Sorento. Perhaps not a deal breaker but close to it. Further, a less critical but sill annoying loss is the elimination of the driver's extended thigh support. I'd miss it on long drives.
All in all, though, I find the looks and the bells and whistles of the new Sorento top trim is an upgrade compared to my 2018 version. One of the strengths of KIA's internal layout is its intuitive character. My wife says when she doesn't know how to accomplish some task she asks herself where it would logically be. More than 90% of the time she never has to consult the driver's manual even for unfamiliar tasks.
() Re-jiggering interior space for more efficient packaging. KIA claims that the new generation Sorento offers more passenger and cargo space than the last generation. Technically that's true but the increases are small compared to the already extremely efficient packaging of the vehicle and some dimensions have actually shrunk. For example...
The first row legroom measured 44.1" in the last generation. For those who moonlight as giants in a circus sideshow it was a real benefit. But for the vast majority of consumers it was overkill. I'm 5'10" tall and with the driver seat of my 2018 Sorento slid all the way to the rear I can barely reach the pedals. The 2021 Sorento reduces the legroom to 41.4". That's still generous. Equal to the Telluride and up to an inch or so more than other, mostly larger midsize SUVs. On the other hand, default legroom in the second row in the last generation was 39.4" compared to 41.7" in the 2021 version. A noticeable increase. Further, since both rows' legroom can be adjusted independently to allocate space as needed the important spec is the combined first and second row legroom. The last generation comes out at 83.5" versus 83.1" for 2021. A very small overall loss and in effect a case of sacrificing unused legroom in the first row for more default legroom in the second row.
Third row default legroom in the previous generation Sorento was actually quite generous (31.7") especially considering the vehicle's overall length. For 2021, it's been reduced to 29.7". That appears to be the result of the roomier second row and an increase in cargo space behind the third row. But because the second row legroom can be adjusted, the total combined legroom in the second and third rows of the Sorento has actually increased a tiny bit from 71.1" to 71.4". Furthermore, the 2021 model offers a reclining third row that was missing on the previous generation. That's a benefit for passengers consigned to the "back of the bus."
As far as cargo space is concerned the tiny 11.3 cubic ft of room behind the third row has been increased 12.6 cf. (For reference, that's about the volume of an additional carry-on bag.) Not generous, of course, but neither the last nor the new generation Sorento is meant to provide sufficient room for more than 4-5 passengers PLUS their luggage/gear for an extended road trip. It's a compromise or a "Goldilocks" vehicle depending on one's perspective. My family of four (2 adults, a teenage daughter, and a big dog) deploys the third row seats less than 10% of the time. With the third row folded into the cargo floor of our 2018 Sorento the 38 cubic feet of cargo space (vs 38.4 cf for 2021) is more than adequate for extended family road trips. Alternatively, when we need to transport six or seven passengers on a local outing the third row is a huge convenience when the alternative is taking two vehicles.
() Sorento versus Santa Fe. Though the Sorento is often compared to other smaller midsize crossovers (e.g. Ford Edge, Honda Passport, Outback) , the Hyundai Santa Fe is almost NEVER even mentioned. The same blind spot exists when the Santa Fe is reviewed. No mention of the Sorento. Yet the two vehicles are almost as closely related as the Telluride and Palisade. Same size inside and out, same platform, same infotainment systems, same AWD system, and a host of minor features. For 2021 the similarities are even greater with the Santa Fe now sharing the same engines and transmissions as the Sorento. Other than external styling differences and some interior design features (e.g. gear selectors), the two vehicles differ only in the fact that the Santa Fe doesn't offer third row seating. With that in mind it's puzzling that KIA considers the 2021 version a new "generation" while Hyundai characterizes the 2021 Santa Fe as an "update." As noted above, I see the third row of the Sorento as an important (if seldom needed) benefit. But for those who disagree the 2021 Santa Fe shares nearly all the rest of the Sorento's strengths.
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I'm still on course to buy a Palisade, even after this video. You can get the top of the line version of the Palisade for tens of thousands less than the GH with the Hybrid Max engine (which would be its biggest advantage over the Palisade). GH does offer more room, though. But, at the end of the day, are you willing to give up all that extra savings, comfort, features, and looks for what will be a bigger, less comfortable, bland, vehicle? I say no, and I LOVE Toyotas. If the GH could come even close to fit and finish at the same price, I'd jump on it. Unfortunately, it's basically paying a big premium for more room and some gas savings.
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Mustang extended hood, mustang front lights, mustang rear haunches, mustang-like (fast back) sloping rear roof line since your eye follows the paint, mustang tri-taillights. The styling cues make it enough of a mustang for me; its one gorgeous mustang and I bet it will turn a lot of heads and get a lot of questions as you drive around town. Inside, you are exactly right: Other than the ponies here and there, its more like looking into the future, rather than looking into the past. Can't wait for mine to be delivered. And yes, it is faster than your dad's mustang, 3.5 sec 0-60 in the GT Performance. 4.8 sec 0-60 in the Premium extended range, AWD. Should bring a smile to the most ardent gas gear head.
Excellent presentation, easy and clean to follow you through the video.
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My wife and I, both in our mid-50s, particularly appreciate the "old-school" layout of the Passport, which was a key factor in our decision to purchase this vehicle. In an era where distracted driving, such as texting while driving, is a major concern, we find it counterintuitive to see so many manufacturers increasing vehicle settings via touchscreen, like the VW Atlas Cross Sport. Being able to adjust frequently used settings such as temperature using well-placed, familiar knobs or buttons not only makes it intuitive but, in our opinion, safer and far more functional. Touchscreens can be fickle to operate, causing drivers to take their eyes off the road, and the cost of a replacement screen, post-warranty, can be prohibitive. We also find some touchscreens to be too large, extending well above the dashboard and, in our opinion, looking a little out of place. We are not looking to have an iPad Pro mounted to our dash. That said, we admit the Passport touchscreen is on the small side, but it tucks nicely into the dash and does what it needs to do. Additionally, the engine, albeit an old design, provides a level of reliability and predictability to ownership, giving us peace of mind in our purchase. Choosing to buy a 2024 model ahead of the much-anticipated redesign in 2025 was a very intentional choice on our part. I appreciate your easy-going, candid approach, production quality, and the wealth of accurate information you provide in each video. Looking forward to seeing more!
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The Santa Fe is an appealing crossover in a number of ways. At 188" in length it anchors the smaller end of the midsize SUV category with a length virtually the same as the Ford Edge. And while many consumers don't seem to recognize the fact and reviewers seldom mention it, the Santa Fe is closely related to the 189" long KIA Sorento with many of the features and components from the same parts bin (e.g. same transmissions, infotainment systems, AWD systems, etc) and nearly identical cargo and passenger room (in the first and second rows.) Overall the Sorento's cargo space is about 2 cubic ft larger. The differences in the 2020 models are primarily that the Sorento provides a surprisingly accommodating third row of seats when needed versus the two rows in the Santa Fe that has underfloor cargo space that's taken up by the Sorento's (stowed) third row and the Sorento's optional 3.3L NA V6 engine vs the Santa Fe's 2.0L turbo 4. In terms of MSRP's, the top trim Sorento is about $1K more than the comparable Santa Fe but in real world transactions that difference may not hold up.
Hyundai and KIA typically stagger the introduction of new generations of their similar products by a year, or so, with Hyundai typically including new features that show up a year later in corresponding KIA models. That pattern seems to be reversed in this case. The 2021 Sorento is heavily redesigned with a 2.5L 4 cylinder turbo engine option that replaces the V6. It's the same engine (in different tune states) found in the performance versions of the forthcoming Sonata, the K5 and in the base version of the Genesis GV80 and G80. In addition the Sorento will offer a new hybrid version. The 2021 Santa Fe, on the other hand, is a mild re-do of the 2020 model with its engine options and other features largely unchanged. Almost certainly those changes will be incorporated in the 2022 Santa Fe.
As an owner of (my second) KIA Sorento my preference is obvious but both the Sorento and the Santa Fe are excellent, versatile, feature packed and Goldilocks size alternatives. Neither stands out as starkly versus its rivals as much as the Telluride and Palisade but each is an excellent choice.
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Since you pose the question in the video - I think 250 is plenty (and even 200 is more than plenty). The average person only drives 30 miles a day, HOWEVER earlier EVs that only had 80-100 miles real world range even if it was good for a couple days of driving, have other issues. For example, if you forget to plug in a short range EV just one night, you may be cutting it very close on your next day's commute. I would not want a car that can only go a maximum of 100 miles on a charge even if thats enough to go to work and back 3 times just because SOMETIMES you have to do other, longer drives without straight up road tripping.
200+ Mile range and 125KW charging means that not only can I drive the vast majority of likely trips, I can also plug in for 30 minutes and keep going. Certainly, thats not preferable to topping off a gas tank in 2-3 minutes, but its not unreasonable to plug into a fast charger, eat lunch, and come back to a car with 170-200 miles of range on it afterwards. Its a slightly different paradigm of road tripping but a 200+ range vehicle means you'll need to stop about as frequently as humans need to eat meals/use the restroom/ etc anyway.
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Kia got us the 90% solution.
Kia had to cut some corners to make the Telluride it’s primary third row crossover and big seller. The Sorento is nearly, the perfect smaller third row crossover but they didn’t quite hit the mark. Most notably, no Wireless Android Auto or Wireless Apple CarPlay in the SX or X-Line, no heads up display, no memory seats, and no heated second row seats. For what it’s worth, I could forgo the: memory seats and second row heated seats but having a heads up display is a game changer and more importantly, a major safety system that can help keep drivers eyes on the road and therefore safer.
When Kia announced the redesigned 2021 Sorento, I thought I might have “buyers regret” since I ordered the 2021 Telluride SX Prestige and it might have been a mistake, but after the reviews and specs came out. I’m happy the Telluride is the complete package and worth the extra money (for me). Having said that, the Sorento is great vehicle and after personally test driving it—this will sell and make a lot of people happy.
Please, please, please, get the AWD if you plan to get the 281-hp 2.5L turbocharged engine. If you're at that price point and going all in with the more horsepower, it's 100% worth it. You'll be able to utilize that power without having your tires chirp or slip all over the road.
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Researched this car segment for the last 2 months, my findings, - 5th gen forester rated #1 in safety and readability over all others including RAV, trial hawk, honda and bronco. That said, it has been a long road for Subaru from the CVT tranny , oil consumption, head gasket issues of past generation vehicles. At 6'3, CR just announced the Forester is #1 with tall drivers as well, no surprise as the "green house" visibility is very attractive. All the safety dings can be disabled permanently, with the exception of engine on/off at stop. After market solution will solve that as well. So, I will be picking up my Subaru Forester Wilderness / pearl white next week. Comfortable driving on and off road, safety and readability, looks, honest service advisors that I have visited with during this time, all have pushed me this direction. And finally driving my daughters 2017 Forester premium, sold me on being a Subie owner. Suggested maintenance to ensure long life; 30k diff (F/R) service, 40k CVT Transmission service, and oil changes every 4k.
Compared to the Outback, Off road analysis/videos show the turbo in the Outback gets totally in the way of performance when climbing, as the Forester's new gearing and software changes bring much more to the equation over the turbo, in my opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF_JtgJ7aKQ&t=575s
HAPPY TRAILS
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I really really wanted one of these. Then I saw it in person. Looks very cool. Interior very nice. But dam, that tiny tiny tiny bed. It's a dealbreaker. Even without the tonneau cover, it's uselessly small. You can't even really fit one bike in the back. (Sure one whole bike if angle it diagonally, and hang the front wheel over the back of the tailgate. But I rarely hit the trail alone, and space for one bike is a dealbreaker. Not to mention this truck seats FOUR.... Sigh... Worse, no way I'm hanging my road bike on the back of the tailgate. Carbon road bikes are not to be hung like that.
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Then there's the price. For the same money, you can get a Honda Ridgeline. Which has TONS more front seat, back seat, storage, (and most importantly) functional bed space. Two things about the Ridgeline bed. First, the wheel well arches don't stick up into the bed and take away valuable space. Second, because the Ridgeline's tailgate can be opened barn door style, you have super easy access to the (much larger) lockable trunk. Try leaning over the tailgate of the Cruz to access the trunk... Ouch, my back!!!.
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This could all be fixed with 12"-18" more bed. It would then become a functional bed, and the smaller size would be more usefull for city users...
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One more thing to fix. The all black interior really makes the space seem small can cave like. Changing the materials above the window sill line to a lighter color would help open up the feeling of the space.
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Cliff, you’re as cool as the other side of the pillow bro, sweet a$$ review(as always)! I gotta say, I like the newer Sierra, but I wouldn’t have a problem with the older one. The look of that Sierra Denali with those wheels is so strong. I dunno, I like them both, especially since you can still get that brute of a 6.2 EcoTec V8 with either one. The interiors is where the winner is determined as your review shows, Ram still slays with its interior, but GM isn’t too far off now. Either way, I feel you can’t lose with either one, but I’m a GM fan so I’m a bit biased . Again, awesome review bro, you and CarGurus kick a$$…now more comparisons please 🙋🏿♂️🤓😎
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The more I think about it. I don't want just any pickup. I want a go anywhere, anytime, any kind of weather, Ford F150 badass looking, smooth driving Raptor. Just have to decide if I get the F or not. Leaning towards not for the better mpg, but sooooo tempting. This grey, or black, and tone down or get rid of the flashy colored decals, but man I want one. And I have to say, I do love that fold out flat work surface option in the front center console, would use that often to make my home office mobile, just bring my laptop and a mobile hot spot. Thanks for the review.
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Excellent ride. I test drove that Focus in July 2016 when I was in the market at that particular time. I pondered for days on end while reviewing brochures and recommendations. I had it narrowed Hyundai, Kia, or Ford. I found out the Ford's 1.6 in the Fiesta was very similar to Hyundai and Kia models of the same size.. However, Hyundai's Elantra GT and Kia's Forte5 only boasted 1.8L to Ford's 2.0L engine. Thus, Ford won that argument. I ended up getting a 2014 Ford Fiesta Hatchback. I got it high mileage. So, I felt stupid about that. Fuel economy was good, though. About 34 mpg. After the warranty dropped out, it was 5 yrs old and had 80K on it. I decided that it was time for an upgrade. Hyundai's Elantra GT was calling my name. As was Kia's Forte. I tested both. Loved the ElantraGT. Dealerships couldn't get me in one at a decent price. I got the Forte because I really missed driving a stick. However, I miss having a hatchback. I drive my wife's Hyundai Kona, if I wanna drive a hatch, nowadays. Iits slightly larger than the ElantraGT. Has the same engine as well. As for recommendations as to what your next vehicle should be, that's up to you. I'd definitely look over Hyundai and Kia. They've come a long way in workmanship. Their warranty is unbeatable. If you look at the amenities, their standard equipment are considered options in other models.
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The Prius is a great car, this is a review pointing out that well. I have a used gen 3. I aspire to this perhaps, the later Prime plug-in. Had the price trends continued, as they did back here in time, in 2020 or so, electricity would be cheaper per mile than petrol/gasoline. Here in the UK, we have a nearby ‘gas’ station that advertises gasoline/petrol at £1.45 ish per litre (! IKR) or close to 7 quid per UK gallon, and electricity now you can charge there too, it’s … 65p per kWh.
For anyone not aware, the usual US domestic electricity price from a table I saw compiled over your way, was most expensive in California at around 27c per kWh peak, and down to 14c per kWh for some other states, the rest were in-between. A few were around the 17c per kWh and that I would say was okay? But in the UK, we’re stuck with a weak government that seems unable to comprehend how bad a £7 gallon is, because it’s ‘normal’ to milk car drivers this way (more than 50% is tax), and also fails to make electricity be based on new renewable prices instead of the price of natural gas (!) which leaves us with home electricity of about 37p per kWh, just dropped this month from 45p. Ridiculous, but worse than that…
…it’s blocked a lot of interest in electric running. I don’t mind my gen 3 Prius has no electric plug, because electricity wouldn’t be cheaper than gasoline, per mile in effect. The best electric vehicles, like the Ioniq and the Model 3, can at best, in lovely 20 degree C temperature (low 70’s fahrenheit?), do 4 miles for kWh. We can figure out then, that we could get in my country, at absolute best, on an mog figure of 50mpg UK, call it 48mpg for ease, 12 lots of this 4-mile bundle for a gallon of gas/petrol. Thus, it seems like we could get 48 miles for 12 x 36p = £4.32 . But, you can just about HALVE that efficiency, when it’s cold for,an electric car, and you need full-on heat made. Heat pumps, yes ok, it depends how cold we are talking.
So on a good mild day, it’s £4.32 to do 48 miles on electric. On a bad day or if the battery got chilled the night before, that can be as bad as £8.64 to do the same exact 48 miles though. So what then, of that rip-off garage/gas station down the road, selling kWh at 65p a pop? Well my ipad calculator works that to be 65/36 x £4.32 = £7.80 at best, and double that gives us the cold-weather possibility of a horrific £17.60 to cover that self-same 48 miles.
Patently then, we have the slightly badly-kept secret, that EVs are really worth it if you either use home electricity at nice low US prices per kWh, or even better, your own $20,000 solar panel/battery on the wall setup etc. They don’t do well, if you buy the electricity for cold-weather running, at a ‘gas station’ sort of price. Commuting, great. Unpredictable or longer journeys, hybrids make a lot of sense.
My own reasons for a hybrid are really simple: truly, it’s only applicable to the Prius - there’s the same masses of extra heat made, as a conventional ICE vehicle makes, and it has a robust/almost unique automatic transmission. It’s often chilly in the North of England where I live, and more so in Scotland where I visit. We had a very mild/wet 2023 which the Prius gen 3 has thrived in. The small/tiny 1.38kWh hybrid NiMh battery, wasn’t great in the colder months of January/February this year when I first got it. But, it managed 45mpg without me trying in any way, and not understanding most of the dashboard at that time. Honestly, I think the brakes were dragging a bit too at the time. There will never be a car quite like the Prius. Take care all.
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Love the review. I previously considered the last gen Kona, but held out for my special ordered Maverick AWD. I'm now considering the Trax as a means to save more money as I also now must consider health issues. I've been impressed with so many positive reviews of the new Trax and really enjoyed your comparison and impressions. Yes, I will miss the performance of the 2.0L Ecoboost in the Maverick, but it doesn't produce at wonderful engine sound all the reviews of the Trax detail, nor does it feel as torquey. Yes, it's quick, it just doesn't feel it.
The interior of the Trax looked better than the Kona, which to me appears a bit blah.
Lastly, so much is made out of 0-60 times, but in daily life I find that even some slower vehicles do just fine merging on the freeway, and in the daily commute, it's just fine. Besides, a 3.9 second time only means you're at the next stop light well before the other traffic.
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I have two observations. First, the rear quarter panel appears proud of the rear bumper cover on the passenger side. Second, some of the interior stitching appears imprecise (e.g., the stitching on the lower door panels and on the upper dash to the left of the instrument cluster). Furthermore, some of the leather seat sections appear loose and sloppy (e.g., the sides of the lower seat bolsters and the upper seat sections that frame the openings below the headrests). As much as I love the C8 Corvette, these aren't observations you will make in the Corvette's decidedly more costly competition. Regardless of its MSRP, the interior of any vehicle costing $60,000-$90,000 should exhibit excellent fit and finish. Just look at any Lexus product for proof that this isn't an unreasonable expectation. I hope GM addresses these issues, which are hopefully attributable to this being an all-new generation.
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I sold my 2018 Mercedes-Benz E300 and bought a base model Forester in 2021 when I took a new job at vastly less pay than my previous (but a major lifestyle upgrade). I expected the Forester to be something of a penalty box that I chose strictly based on price and ease of ingress/egress. Three years later and I just traded it in on a 2024 Forester Limited.
My only real complaints about my last Forester were the lack of blind spot monitoring and the small that made it difficult to read the next exit/turn information on Apple Car Play navigation and the poor display quality for the backup camera feature. The stereo was weak and sounded tinny as well, but I found it adequate for what was a $27,000 car. In three years I put about 80,000 miles on that Forester, and with expensive maintenance items including new brakes and tires coming up quickly, I decided to just get a new car.
My new Forester is exactly the same as my old one, only loaded. I compared the Rav4, CRV, Tucson, Tiguan and CX5, but when I added the features that were important to me (all wheel drive, larger display, and blind spot monitoring) those cars were all quite a bit more expensive. The Forester was an easy choice.
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