Comments by "Persona" (@ArawnOfAnnwn) on "Could UKRAINE go bankrupt and LOSE the WAR? - VisualPolitik EN" video.

@michaeldavison9808 Russia is doing far better than Ukraine, and it trades with with far more nations than just China and India. The sanctions literally come from just 46 nations, mostly just the EU member states, which is less than a quarter of the worlds nations and even less of its population. The Russian economy is expected to contract by between 5-8% this year, and next year, and then return to growth in 2024. Ukraine has had its economy contract by nearly 50%. Russia isn't going anywhere.
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@Latin_American_Economic "Look at the currency and inflation" - yes, look at them lol. The Russian currency is literally the best performing currency globally so far this year, and even its inflation has come down from its peak of around 17-18% in the early stages of the war. Even that peak was only twice what it is now in the west. Turkey has worse inflation than Russia does.
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@korayven9255 It isn't cherry picking lol. Ukraine's economy is literally projected to fall by nearly 50%, Russia's by 5-8%. Ukraine had a weak economy even before the war, far worse than Russia. It now has even less resources and even greater risk than it already did, while Russia already figures among the top reserves of most natural resources you could name (not just oil and gas), and a large agricultural sector to boot. And those figures aren't from Russia lol - I didn't even quote the best numbers. JP Morgan for instance predicts their GDP to fall by just 3.5%. That's actually more in line with their actual GDP so far, as in the last quarter upto June it only fell by 4%. The goddamn pandemic tanked Russia's economy worse (7.4% in the same period previously) than the west lol. Meanwhile Russia's manufacturing and services sector, which should literally be the biggest loser from sanctions, is actually rising again (their PMI slid to 37.7 in March and now is back to 52.2). See, your problem isn't that you're a Russophobe, but rather a Westo-phile. It isn't about you supporting Ukraine, it's about you believing the west in infallible and indefatigable and morally upright. You think the west has nigh unlimited power and nigh unlimited will to use said power for some automatically 'good' causes. It doesn't have the former, it's track record on the latter is laughable (a few thousand deaths in Ukraine upsets westerners more than hundreds of thousands in the ME from their own wars lol!), and as for the middle - do you have any idea how much it'll cost to rebuild Ukraine? Estimates are of literally HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars. You think they're gonna stay as charged up for doing that once the war settles down? They haven't even sent as much during the war. There's already grumbling rising up over domestic issues while the war is still ongoing. Foreign aid is already controversial, despite being a pittance. Once things settle down, Ukraine is gonna be mostly left holding the bag, with scraps sent by its 'allies' as it simply won't be as much of a political plank anymore. It'll have to rebuild itself mostly. Meanwhile Russia is entirely intact, just needing to shift its trade. This isn't about Ukraine, they're a strong and hardy people. They'll probably pick up the pieces better than expected, and NOT thanks to the west - they're already not happy with the weak western response, just making do with it. This is about the west, as usual, thinking extremely highly of itself.
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@korayven9255 I gave you a whole bunch of actual numbers about Russia and Ukraine. This video gave you even more numbers about Ukraine. Your retort was just one number about the West. Not even a current one, a potential one. Your entire argument is just "the West is a big economy mkay!". If you tried submitting that in an investment report or economic paper, you'd be laughed out of the conference room.
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@korayven9255 Yep, confirmed Westophile lol. All that matters to you is that Ukraine has the support of the West. Ofc you take it for granted that that magically solves everything, cos the West is god. :p
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@korayven9255 Here, for your benefit, I'll repeat (since I mentioned it earlier) what your whole argument is - "You think the west has nigh unlimited power and nigh unlimited will to use said power for some automatically 'good' causes" i.e. the things you think the West should do. Meanwhile people in Prague are protesting right now about the attention the war is getting, while Biden is among the least popular US presidents in history and is trying to split his attention between Russia, China and Iran - all of whom he's managed to antagonize. One can go on, but basically I called you a westo-phile on purpose. It wasn't meant as an insult. It's because your argument is basically that, it relies on being that. It holds up for fellow westo-philes, and doesn't for anyone else (even other critics of Russia). Even for people who oppose Russia or support Ukraine the argument doesn't automatically hold up. It literally only holds up if you're a westo-phile. Cos it's literally nothing but westo-philia. You didn't even argue it, all you said was that Ukraine needed to have the West on it's side. And that was all. If it did, everything was magically automatically fixed. That is textbook westo-philia, practically its definition.
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@korayven9255 "actually relevant" - lol, your one statistic involved neither of the nations in question, just more masturbating to western magnificence and magnanimity. I don't think you know what 'relevant' means.
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@korayven9255 Heads up? Lol, talk about obsessed. It's apparently been a week since we conversed here and yet it still rankled you enough that you just had to come here to gloat as soon as you saw news you could use. Not that it has much use here, since we weren't arguing over the military situation in the first place. You just wanted to smirk with whatever you could get your hands on, even a week after our little tiff. I bet you posted that spiel all over your social media as well, and returned to a whole bunch of other old online arguments to try rubbing it in their faces as if they'd care. Just grow up kiddo lmao. 😂 You probably won't tho. So perhaps at least consider staying on track next time. Cheers!
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@korayven9255 Hypocritical? Lol, you're one to talk. Do you have the first clue how full of hypocrisy the west is? You can fill entire books with it. Here's a teaser - Angola, Argentina, Afghanistan, Bolivia, Cambodia, Chad, Chile, Cuba, Dominican Republic, El Savador, Grenada, Gautemala, Honduras, Iran, Iraq, Laos, Nicaragua, Panama, Sudan, Vietnam, etc. Have fun looking up all those interventions. Also look up how many dictators the west has supported or allied with, even including their wars (for example, Indonesia in East Timor, Pakistan in Bangladesh, KSA in Yemen, etc.), or how many they even helped install themselves (Chile, Gautemale, etc.). They make a big deal about Taiwan, when they've treated Cuba far worse (even invaded it already), and that's despite loving Cuba under its previous dictator (so much for 'this is about freedom and democracy' yada yada). You don't know the first thing about hypocrisy bub. We haven't gone about colonizing and later arm-twisting the world, you have. All our wars were exactly what Ukraine is doing now - defense. That hasn't been true of the US for over a century. Despite having more natural gifts than almost any other nation on Earth, able to emulate Canada any time it wants to, it has been in more wars than anyone since WW2, all of them external. It spends more on its military than anyone else both in absolute AND even in per capita terms (to account for economy size differences). Russia isn't in the top 20 in that list, China isn't in the top 50. One of the most secure nations on Earth is number 1. So don't lecture me about hypocrisy bub. As for Russia falling into civil war, keep salivating to that thought. We're not losing sleep over it. Drop the faux concern for us and just keep masturbating to your dreams of eminence and cultural superiority that has animated the western conception of itself for the last half a millennium or so. Hopefully you won't drag the world into your desire to maintain that dream again, as you already have multiple times before and just did once more to Russia, and soon China. Btw, funnily enough, our international stance was also because of American dictums and high-handedness. Read some history. We didn't naturally gravitate to Russia, the US created that situation just as selfishly as they helped create the mess in Afghanistan over their dumb Soviet rivalry that they then got the bitter taste of themselves a decade later. And we've navigated it pretty well thanks. The Russians have always been far more accommodating and reliable allies than the Americans have ever been. We're not hedging on them just out of necessity, but because you hypocrites have never acquitted yourselves as trustworthy, or accomodating. Not outside your cute little club of western nations. Just ask the Kurds for a recent example lol. You might want to go check on why Africa also works with China and Russia, instead of treating them like dumb lambs falling for debt traps. Ditto with South America. Russia doesn't answer for its misdeeds in eastern Europe. The west has never answered for misdeeds across literally the whole world, and I'm not even speaking of colonialism here. Edit: I suppose I should clarify one thing here. When I say 'the West', it's really mostly about three countries - the US, UK and France. The rest aren't bad, some very good. Those three bullies get to hide behind the auras provided by far nicer nations, like the Nordics.
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