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Comments by "Persona" (@ArawnOfAnnwn) on "How the world is preparing for Trump’s return" video.

Imagine comparing Americans to the elves of middle earth. They're nothing alike.
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@President_Mario That's just what you tell yourselves. Apart from Europe, most of the world is fine with it. There has never been any pressure on the US to do what it does, nor could there be. You choose to do it.
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@therealuncleowen2588 Not really. Among other things, the elves of ME were reclusive. But the US has marched out to war in foreign lands under the leadership of presidents who were from the side that doesn't want trump as well. The US isn't even like Numenor, which also kept to itself for most of its history, only acting during a world war. The metaphor just doesn't work.
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@kameronjones7139 I said 'apart from Europe'. Besides, how has anyone forced the US' hand? Apart from that time Japan did, the US has always been free to stay out of things and no one could make it do otherwise. Of course that would come with a reduction in their global influence, which is why they keep choosing not to.
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@kameronjones7139 Did either of them ever touch the US? The closest it ever came to that was that one time the USSR put its forces on Cuba. Which still isn't the US, and it also agreed to back off anyway. Stop confusing your hegemony with your state. They are not the same. You never had to respond to anything happening elsewhere, you chose to get involved.
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@kameronjones7139 I didn't abandon it, it was just silly. A Mexican attack on the US would simply be rebuffed like any other nation does. My point was that the US didn't have to get embroiled elsewhere. As for Europe and Asia, that is my point - neither of them is the US. Whatever happens there doesn't force anything on you UNLESS you see your state and your hegemony as one and the same. This is what Americans don't get - they claim they want to stay at home, but expect to have the same level of global power while doing so. No you won't. You're always able to stay at home, but you will lose your influence on the world from doing it. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either stay at home and sacrifice your hegemony, or enforce said hegemony and don't whine.
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@kameronjones7139 You don't have an argument so there is no point in continuing the conversation. Touche.
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@kameronjones7139 Since when was Korea, Greece or Turkey America? Again you're confusing your hegemony with your state, as the Pentagon is also wont to do.
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@Leonidas-nu3jp The EU will have to pay it back, if they're serious about European brotherhood. Trump doesn't mind tough love with allies, so it's up to them to raise the money.
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@therealuncleowen2588 There are far better candidates for real world analogues to the ME elves than any flavor of the US. Bhutan, Iceland, Costa Rica, or even New Zealand itself.
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@Martin-ri4fg How is NATO vital to the US? The US isn't in any danger. You're confusing its hegemony with the state.
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The US has done just that for most of modern history, including taking action to correct their 'mistakes'. See why the regime in charge of Iran, one of their chief rivals, came to be for instance.
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@Martin-ri4fg You know what else leads to inflation? Sparring with China. Guess what both T and B share in common on foreign policy...
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@swazzercool9060 It probably isn't his channel. Although it's just as bad.
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@adex7038 Bruh in order to 'beat' me he'd have had to have made an argument to begin with. He didn't, and neither have you. Neither of you have ever explained why the US needs to be involved in far away lands that aren't invading its territory. You both just take that for granted, which is telling cos it isn't taken for granted for any other country. In other words both of you equate hegemony with the state. If you want to claim you don't, then you're going to have to actually back that up by explaining all the interventions in terms of how they were a threat to the US' own territorial integrity. Saying 'you lost cos I say so' is nothing but empty posturing.
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@kameronjones7139 The only one acting smart is you, as opposed to actually being smart. You still haven't shown how the US needed to be in those conflicts. You moan about not wanting to fight wars, you CHOOSE to go enter wars that don't involve you all the time. And also launch many of your own. You don't have an explanation for why those wars were not your CHOICE, so you just shrug that off and attack your opponents directly instead. And then pretend to take the high road so you don't have to defend those accusations either.
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@kameronjones7139 You're not even consistent with your hegemonic ideology. You claim it's normal for allies to help each other, yet attack your enemies for doing so (for example, wrt Ukraine). It's always one rule for you, another for your everyone else. That's typical hegemonic thinking.
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@patrickbrady519 can't what?
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Hence why the talk means little. The east is a barrier that lets other members continue as before since they're at no risk, and they know it.
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@Martin-ri4fg 'they legally don't have a way to prevent other countries to apply' - they very much have the ability to not accept any of the applications they get.
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@Martin-ri4fg the state with the most 'adventures' to its name since WW2,
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@Martin-ri4fg The closest thing to such would be the UN.
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@Martin-ri4fg Tell me, who is policing your 'police' then?
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@Martin-ri4fg Missing line (altered) - 'has 'reformed leadership' and even 'let its warriors play in other people's playgrounds' without UN sayso,'
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@Martin-ri4fg In case you're confused, that was all one comment. We're so 'free' here on this US site. Yes sirree!
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@ishouldbeonmountrushmore6831 In the long run that would not be good for Israel. They'll end up as even more of a pariah than they already are, utterly dependent on the US to shield them. And if that shield ever turns away...
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@yoavmor9002 Lol, bro thinks war is an arena shooter where winning is based on frag counts. 🤣War is politics by other means - wars have political goals, and you patently failed at yours. The very people you ousted are back in power.
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@thedude828-ed2nn Sounds like they recognized they'd failed. They couldn't win, just as 20 years in Vietnam also failed.
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@orthotuber They're far more dependent on China than they even could ever be on that little island.
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@theliato3809 They literally have the largest navy in the world. Marine corps? Lol, they can just blockade the island.
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@Bayard1503 Which is precisely why they'll never let you have it. This has never been about chips. If the island is reduced to rubble, that's still a win for them. Anything so it doesn't end up as an American proxy.
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And if you lose imports from its big neighbour instead, literally everything in the country would actually come to a grinding halt. They supply you with far more than that little island could ever even hope to.
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@f1y7rap First off, China can't even reach Iceland or Costa Rica, nor would it care to. And Bhutan is protected by India, not your vaunted US. So only New Zealand is even relevant to your point, mainly cos it's part of the Five Eyes network (oh look, SIGINT!). Secondly, the analogy is to that of the elves of ME. Who were not all self-sufficient, so that point is meaningless. The ones who were, like Elrond and Galadriel, were only able to be so via magic. Without their rings, the elves very much had to trade, as was the case with Thranduil and his realm. So this bit just betrays ignorance of LotR. Thirdly, your ego is showing. Between calling others children and then confidently predicting the future even half a century out, you seem to be rather prideful. Which isn't meant as a complaint, but rather to point out that pride clouds your vision. Russia and China have existed for centuries (or millennia in the case of China), and seen plenty of tumult in all that time. While the past may not be a perfect predictor of the future, I'm gonna bet more on their resilience, in one form or another, than the new kid on the block who thinks he's hot stuff. Few empires, let alone nations, have ever been fully self-sufficient, yet they've lasted centuries. They got by before modern globalization, and they'll probably survive after it as well. This is an especially ironic claim to make wrt Russia, as it's literally the most resource rich nation on Earth, and also a major food producer. And trades extensively with China, who has dominated world trade for a long time. The fate of the smaller nations I mentioned will likely be tied to their larger neighbours - Iceland with Scandinavia, New Zealand with Australia, Bhutan with India, etc.
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@WednesdayFin86 I agree with that. I just pointed out those places as closer analogues, since people here wanted to use the metaphor. So I suggested that even if such an analogy were true, there are far better candidates.
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@tranquoccuong890-its-orge I think you'll really like the Baalbuddy universe. Solus Astorias' channel animates many of his comics. :)
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@President_Mario That's just what you tell yourselves. The only ones who consistently keep demanding you come out of your shell are the Europeans. Other than them, some scattered liberals elsewhere. Most of the rest of the world is fine with you 'abandoning' it. There has never been any pressure on the US to be world police, you grabbed the role yourselves.
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@President_Mario That's just what you tell yourselves. The only ones who consistently keep asking you to come out of your shell are the Europeans. Other than them, some scattered liberals elsewhere. Most of the rest of the world is fine with you leaving. There has never been any pressure on the US to do what it does, nor could there be. You choose to do it.
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@adex7038 My point is that the US is choosing to do this. There's no point moaning over it then. Also if it's okay as per you, then you have no basis for, for example, attacking Russia for doing it now. They too were okay with Ukr until the 2014 maidan revolution, which similarly flipped sides. Ofc they're an enemy, so you'd respond for pure geopolitical reasons. But moralizing about it is hypocritical. Like I said, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. If the US wants to be hegemon, don't whine about it.
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@fuxkag3908 Ukr isn't nato. This is extra support for a European debacle, so Europe should pay.
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@mmhoss Also Washington Post.
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Which is why Trumps' ultimatum is so ineffective. He'll have to defend them, and as long as the US defends them, they can act as a wall that allows all the western NATO countries to continue to freeride as before since they're in no danger.
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Which is why Trumps' rhetoric is so ineffective. He'll have to defend the east, and as long as the US defends them, they can act as a wall that allows all the western members to continue to do as before since they're at no risk.
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Which is why Big T's rhetoric doesn't work. He'll have to defend the east, and as long as they are defended, they'll act as a wall that allows all the western members to continue to do as before since they're at no risk.
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@Martin-ri4fg You know what else leads to inflation in the US? Conflict with China. Guess what both Trump and Biden share in common...
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Which is why his rhetoric doesn't work. The east can act as a wall that allows the western members to continue to do as before since they're at no risk, and they know it.
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Hence why the rhetoric doesn't work. The east is a wall that allows western members to continue as before since they're at no risk, and they know it.
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Hence why the rhetoric doesn't work. The east is a barrier that lets western members continue as before since they're at no risk, and they know it.
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Hence why the talk doesn't work. The east is a barrier that lets western members go on as before since they're at no risk, and they know it.
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@ewoudalliet1734 In that case, don't complain about China doing the same. Taiwan is their Cuba. Or anyone else for that matter. The moment you accept that 'security' extends beyond one's territory, you do so for everyone. And as a result, proliferate insecurity and war.
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@Martin-ri4fg Let me guess. You unironically see the US, the nation with the most military actions to its name since WW2, as the world police. Lol. The closest thing to such would be UN intervention. The US never cared for it, doesn't recognize its jurisdiction, has supplanted regimes and even launched wars without its approval and established paralel organizations more under its thumb. And you people unironically think it's the police lmao! Tell me, who is policing your 'police' then? Cos we certainly seem to need someone to do it.
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@Martin-ri4fg Let me guess. You unironically see the US, the country with the most interventions to its name since WW2, as the world police. Lol. The closest thing to such would be UN intervention. The US doesn't recognize its jurisdiction, has supplanted regimes and even launched wars without its approval and even established paralel organizations more under its thumb. And you people unironically think it's the police lmao!
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@Martin-ri4fg Let me guess. You unironically see the US, the nation with the most military actions to its name since WW2, as the world police. Lol.
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@Martin-ri4fg The closest thing to such would be UN intervention. The US never cared for it, doesn't recognize its jurisdiction, has supplanted regimes and even launched wars without its approval and established paralel organizations under its thumb. And you unironically see it as police lmao!
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@Martin-ri4fg Let me guess. You unironically see the US, who has the most 'adventures' to its name since WW2, as the world police. Lol.
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@Martin-ri4fg The closest thing to such would be UN action. The US doesn't even recognize its jurisdiction, has 'established friendly govts.' and even 'embarked on adventures' without its approval and even established parallel 'clubs' more under its thumb. And you unironically think it's the police lol!
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@Martin-ri4fg Let me guess. You unironically see the US, the state with the most 'adventures' to its name since WW2, as the 'police'. Lol.
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@Martin-ri4fg The closest thing to such would be the UN. The US doesn't recognize its ju₹isdi¢tion, has 'made nicer govts' and even 'gone on adventures' without its nod and established parallel 'clubs' more to its liking. And you unironically think it's like the cops lol!
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@Martin-ri4fg Let me guess. You unironically see the US,
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@Martin-ri4fg as the 'police'. Lol.
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@Martin-ri4fg The US doesn't recognize its jurisdiction,
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@Martin-ri4fg has made 'friendly govts' and even 'gone on adventures' without its approval
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@Martin-ri4fg and even established parallel 'clubs' structured more to its liking.
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@Martin-ri4fg And you people unironically see it as the 'police' lol!
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@Martin-ri4fg Cos we certainly seem to need someone to.
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@ewoudalliet1734 Bub the US has already violated intl law and begun wars elsewhere - hell it doesn't even recognize the intl law's jurisdiction over it. Neither will anyone else if they have similar power to get away with it. Indeed in practice there is no such thing, it's a proxy for hegemonic law. Hence why the US has never been punished for wars that even the UN secretary general has declared illegal, but others are. You just don't want to own up to hypocrisy.
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@ewoudalliet1734 And there's no false analogy. The US openly admits to Taiwan being part of its 'containment' strategy. The only one that sounds innocent to is the west. Try telling anyone you meet on the street that you're going to lock them up and see how they take it. Fitting for the nation with the highest prison population on earth tho. They will never accept that, and you know it. Which means all you're doing is setting the stage for war. Which suits you fine as it lets you take down a growing rival. You know what will set your enemies off - and do it anyway cos your hegemony matters more than having peace.
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@TheGreatOne-gw7xh Lol what a copium interpretation. 🤣You lost bub, just like you lost Vietnam.
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@killman369547 All that would have achieved is prolonging the inevitable, as happened in the case of Afghanistan. The South was never going to hold, so it would have fallen as soon as the US left. And ofc even more millions would have died.
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@yoavmor9002 Lol, keep telling yourself that. 🤣 I bet you never extend the same interpretation to your enemies either. 😏
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@joserios2703 Afghanistan is seeking friendly relations with China, and is rich in resources. Some 'win' that is. Did you imagine they'd raise a stink over the Uighurs like the west does? Well they're not. That's ironically more of a talking point for China's geopolitical enemies than anyone else, for obvious reasons.
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@joserios2703 Afghanistan is seeking friendly relations with China, and is rich in resources. Some 'win' that is.
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@ZontarDow Putin thought it would be a good idea cos of the Maidan revolution. As far as US actions are concerned, he still thinks it's a good idea cos of the Baltic trio being let into NATO. That happened long before Trump.
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@ZontarDow Georgia was after the Baltic trio was let in. That act was THE proof they needed that there was no diplomatic way to get NATO to stop expanding. All they could do was take action if ever any more nations turned to the west, as Ukraine did in 2014. You're going to see the same pattern play out soon enough with China, if not already. The US has the Monroe Doctrine, enacted most notably with Cuba to this day. They won't allow America in their backyard either.
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@ZontarDow Ah I see you aren't even trying to pretend you have an argument.
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@ZontarDow Do you how one joins a club? You don't just apply, you have to be accepted. There's a reason they asked the US not to expand NATO, not every potential applicant. Your defense is meaningless - as you yourself admit, NATO expanded. And keep your egotistical imaginings about the obvious superiority of your point of view to yourself, as too your delusions in thinking you know anything of my mind. Btw, funny thing about arguments against NATO being 'destroyed' - they never actually resulted in NATO itself being disbanded, despite having had decades to do it. An institution without purpose doesn't expand. If you ever meant them, NATO would have had to be re-formed, not merely wake up. Your claims are hollow, as they always have been.
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@ZontarDow Lol NATO is already well east of east Germany. And the US has had more intervention than Russia since WW2. So I guess Russia was vindicated in Cuba then. Funny how that didn't make a lick of difference to the US. The only fools are those who pretend surrounding a nation is ever going to be perceived as innocent. The US literally even calls its strategy for China 'containment'. While disparaging China for its 'string of pearls' and the like. Fitting for the nation with the highest prison population. Any past ruler or general would look at the map and laugh you out of the room in claiming it's innocent. They'd know what you don't - that it's going to provoke a reaction eventually.
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@ZontarDow NATO is already well east of east Germany. And the US has had more interventions than Russia since WW2. So I guess Russia was vindicated in Cuba then. Funny how that didn't make a lick of difference to the US. The fools are those who pretend surrounding a nation is ever going to be perceived as innocent. The US literally even calls its strategy for China 'containment'. While disparaging China for its 'string of pearls' and the like. Fitting for the nation with the highest prison population. Any past ruler or general would look at the map and laugh you out of the room in claiming it's innocent. They'd know what you don't - that it's going to provoke a reaction eventually.
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The US has done just that for most of modern history, including taking action to 'correct' their mistakes. The regime in charge of one of their chief enemies for instance, Iran, came to power via directly overthrowing the govt. of a western puppet who was installed after they elected the 'wrong' people.
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The US has done just that for most of modern history, including taking action to correct their 'mistakes'. The regime in charge of one of their chief enemies for instance, Iran, came to power via overthrowing the govt. of a stooge who was installed after they elected the wrong people.
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@chrisdziedzic2544 What do you think the locals would say? It serves US interests to do so though. 'Should' depends on what one values. Same way Americans bemoan being blamed for acting as the world police and yet supposedly always having to go 'fix' stuff around the world. No one has or can force the US to intervene - they chose to go to those places, as it serves their interests to do so. If they really didn't want to, they were always able to stay at home.
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Ironically Russia would likely be fine with a purely European force IF it really was just European i.e. America exits completely. No 'dormant' NATO, but an actual clean split. That's the Europe they're used to from centuries past, and likely want it back.
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