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Comments by "j. rodman" (@jsrodman) on "Israel Begins Ground Invasion of Gaza" video.
Equivocating on collective punishment then deleting criticism is a terrible look. You should be ashamed.
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even 100 percent accurate ones. They're going hard on loooking like apologists.
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if your position is that the people killed by Israeli airstrikes are the sole responsibility of Hamas, then I don't see any point in anyone engaging. (edit: mobile autocorrect fixing)
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I personally see a political utility in tying Israel spending to Ukraine spending so it will probably get through congress. But I agree that Israel spending should probably be conditional and the current situation is well over any sane line. (Edit: swipe-os)
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I agree the high level dynamics can be quickly summarized, but the details matter and finding a path forward is indeed messy from where we are. So i think its both, but i would like to hear tommy and ben able to accurately summarize the context
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Muddying the waters by trying to confuse white phosphorus based weapons which are banned with use of white phosphorus as an element of non weapons is profoundly disingenuous.
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@nismae1 I think never is a bit strong. It's been touched on. But the infrequency i think serves a double standard. And in light of their fence sitting on "oh, is it really collective punishment? Is it really war crimes. We have to be careful with these words" It is at the very least part of a nasty double standard.
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The countries adjoining Gaza are Israel and Egypt. Egypt does not want them because they don't have the resources to handle them, and because they are not politically aligned and the regime is already precarious. They want to stay in power. Israel obviosly doesn't want them. So there really is no option. Never mind that Palestinians do not want to become stateless refugeees. That other Arab political leaders are not deeply invested in the plight of millions of Palestinians follows similar lines. In principle they care if only because a chunk of their population people cares, vuur they really don't want to do anything to heavily stress their own nation. What I wish we had seen was steady political pressure f room the region and from the UN and not blocked by the US to resolve the conflict. But we never got that.
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@charleywarady You're creating a false dichotomy. "Either it's hamas's total fault or it's israel's total fault". The reality is that Israel political leadership chose to do this path of airstrikes. That is not absolved by Hamas being an organization who is committed to using terrorism to achieve their goals. Of course we also do not condone Hamas. Israel's political leadership absolutely bears responsibility for the choices they are making.
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@charleywarady Your argument continues to be "but Hamas bears responsibility". Of course they bear some of the responsibility. That does not absolve Israeli leaders of their genocidal talk or actions. "You made me hurt you" is not a good argument.
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it has an avowed Democracitic Party slant, but it's still journalism. These things aren't even in conflict.
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At the point where they're pretty boldly lying about there not being collective punishment happening, and then deleting comments who challenge them, the right response is to report this video as misinformation. Because it is.
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I even question whether war is the right term to use. We have an army bombing civilians, and no effective resistance. Seems more like a massacre than a war.
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Yes, but also the violence in Yemen didnt get much coverage. I think most us based didnt even know about it. But also yes, it was easy to say the Saudis did it and its not us, evennif we were to some degree complicit. Here its almost impossible to have missed our politicians supporting Israel's actions, and many of us are awar of Israels leaders genocidal statements.
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@nismae1 Agreed fully that this is a necessary pre-requisite to a solution, but I think it's going to take a lot more than that to build peace, unfortunately. But building peace does require an effort to build peace, and I don't see that from the Israeli leadership. Palestinians I can't even tell. Under this level of oppression, we have no real idea how they'd be thinking and acting without it.
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@ExhhaustedWombat I extremely much doubt the Egyptian political ruling class cares whether Palestinians lose their homes. They haven't been spending political capital caring about them in the past. Egyptian general population probably cares about this sort of thing, I'll bet.
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