Comments by "kgb gb" (@kgbgb3663) on "Botched Kherson counteroffensive. Zaporozhye NPP Hollywood raid. Part 1" video.

  1.  @elusive6119  Some Western countries banned the use of the letter "Z" in a political context. Lionae (and Alex) remind them of their childishness by taking them literally.
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  2.  @elusive6119  There's a political joke, spread by Gonzalo Lira but originating with William Gruff at Moon of Alabama. You need to put on an American accent if you don't already have one: When the Russians carried out the special military operation in the Ukraine, all of their vehicles were marked with the letter Z - their tanks, their armored personnel carriers, even their men had the letter Z on their uniforms. So of course people started referring to the Russian side as "the Zs". Then in the West the Zelinski regime and everybody encouraged everyone to shun and even cancel the letter Z. So surely that means that they are the "not Zs"?
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  3.  @elusive6119  Thanks, very interesting.
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  4. 60, possibly 70 in the original landing of small fast boats. Several hundred in the two barges that were taken out before they managed to land. According to Russian sources.
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  5.  @ebonytv3414  A lot of those dying were forced. Many of those who were not physically forced were brainwashed into fear and hatred of Russians from childhood. They are still victims and still deserve sympathy.
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  6. ​ @Ebonytv No, of course I'm not sympathetic to terrorists or to mercenaries who come from the West to kill Russians. Such egregious actions put on you an absolute moral obligation to establish that your cause is just, and those people obviously failed to do that. Fighting an invading army inside your own homeland is not like that. It is the default action that most people people would expect most people to do. There isn't the same moral imperative to be 100% sure that the cause is just. And, yes, I do know the background to what's happened in the Ukraine since the dissolution of the USSR, and especially in the Donbass since the coup. That's why I'm on the same side as you in this conflict. But that doesn't stop me having normal human sympathy for fighters on the other side who are in a hellish situation, even if they are genuinely on the other side rather than forced into their actions. The vast majority of people don't have the intelligence and moral courage to work out that the beliefs of their community are evil, and to stand against them. They may not even have access to the information that would allow them to work it out. Many of the fighters on the other side are like that, and genuinely see themselves as defending their country from unprovoked aggression. They see themselves as being on the side of the good. They are wrong, of course, but that doesn't mean that their motivations are so ridiculous that they should be excluded from human sympathy. One of the reasons that the other side is wrong is that they dehumanise people on our side. We must not fall to the same moral level. The leadership on the other side would like to destroy Russia in order to exploit its people and resources, and they happily sacrifice Ukrainians to do that. Russia, on the other hand, would like to get Ukrainians to snap out of the hateful delusions that they have been manipulated into by the West, and to join them in mutually-beneficial win-win relationships; it sees the death of Ukrainians as sometimes necessary, but always regrettable. (In contrast, many people in my own Western country have adopted the worst of the Ukrainian Nationalist spirit, and celebrate the humiliation, impoverishment and killing of Russians. It's totally sickening and shaming for me and those like me.) Remember what Lavrov said Russia's aim is: “turn enemies into neutrals, turn neutrals into partners, turn partners into friends and turn friends into allies”. You can't do that if you dehumanise your enemies.
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