Comments by "CaptainVanisher" (@captainvanisher988) on "The Demographic Cause Of The Incel Crisis" video.

Not necessarily true. That'd be how non-monogamous societies could survive. Monogamous Christian societies with strong arranged marriage institutions would have a healthy demographic without the need for war culling the men's numbers. In Christian strict monogamous societies, MOST men got married and MOST women also got married. To each other.
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That's mainly because of wars and slavery. Men were far more likely to be enslaved and on top of that millions of men died in wars all around the world ALL THE TIME. If you exclude these, Christian societies had almost full rates of men reproducing. If you're saying that a system were the vast majority of men reproduce can't be produced, then you'd be wrong. It's statistically and practically possible. It's just very unlikely because of cultural circumstances. We live in an age where everything can be calculated if society wanted to. But here's the issue. How are you gonna make all the materialist people religious out of the blue? How are you gonna implement arranged marriage policies? How are you going to repeal much of feminist changes? Without a massive cultural change, you can't. And most of these things usually work better if it's a cultural and societal standard and not a legal one. So I don't see it happening without a clear cut collapse.
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Not really. Urbanization is just a phenomena of a rapidly atomized and growing society. The demographic crisis just comes along. Cost and size of housing has been shown repeatedly to have little to no correlation to birth rates. What actually has caused the demographic crisis is religion being replaced with materialism and patriarchy being replaced by egalitarian feminism. Also the widespread birth control which is directly correlated to feminism btw.
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@josec.6394 It's not necessarily their fault since it's in their nature to behave that way. There is a reason why there wasn't a "choice" for the other half in the vast majority of societies. There is a reason why that other half statistically speaking is and would be far happier if they were randomly put into arranged marriages. :face-red-droopy-eyes:
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Nope. Japan has the lowest obesity rates, still very low birth rates
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Yes. Correct. I see how great my grandparents marriages were and then I see all those serial monogamists, all the divorced fathers and husbands. There is literally no incentive anymore. The only chance I get married is if I find a girl that is 20% of the woman my grandmothers were. 20% is extremely low btw, but women nowadays are just so low quality that it's quite hard to find one that fits said standard.
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said George Flowberry
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@josec.6394 Plenty of "single" women. The vast majority are not even bronze level rarity, nevermind gemstone level.
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@x-winger9387 Female decline in procreation happened in societies that are going through a collapse. If you look at the Roman Empire or the Iranian Chaliphate prior to the Mongols, they had the same thing with lower birth rates (although never at the lows we are having now). Top men didn't monopolize women in European societies. Sure some had concubines and prostitutes, but those women made up for the men dying in wars and in labor. Most healthy adult men could and did get married in medieval, rennaissance and post-industrial Christian societies.
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@mysterioanonymous3206 Well my standards are probably high in other parts but not looks. Can you tell me how many women (mid or not) you know that are religious, marriage minded, chaste and young? Social media hasn't skewed my perception of attractiveness since I find most girl I see on the streets or I associate with as attractive enough. My standards come from my experience seeing how actual marriages work from my grandparents. I'd be insanely shocked and happy if I could find a woman that is 20% what of what my grandmothers were to my grandfathers. Yet somehow in my own experience that standard alone excludes almost all modern women.
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30% is high. In my major it's at best 10%, and at worst 2%.
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@ladybug3380 It 100% works out. How did it work out for centuries within Christian societies? The time when it stopped working out was when feminism was introduced into society. Even then most people are serial monogamist nowadays, not polygamists. Which is just a sh*tty replacement for lifelong monogamy.
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Not exactly accurate. The number would be more close to 2.2-2.3x because of mortality rates of men of ages 40-60 and if you add on top of that a traditional religion-based marriage structure, it'd drop even lower since most older men would already be married. So technically speaking, even if we have no wars to cull the numbers of men, if there is a religious arranged marriage system where men of young ages married women of young ages, that would result in a very small dating imbalance and surely far smaller than what we have here. The internet and smartphones only extenuated an already growing problem that started during the s**ual liberation movement of the 60s and 70s. Hypergamy already existed and was already creating a bunch of issues in the dating market and then the internet and smartphones just took it to another level by globalizing the scope of hypergamous women.
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I went to a uni in China recently for education purposes (not for too long though) and the reality is that the vast majority of the students there were women. Several female friends told me that if I came there to study for a prolonged time, I will almost instantly get a gf because of the severe lack of male prospects. China has the exact problem you're analyzing in this video, on a massive scale. On top of that feminist programming exist at almost full force there as well. At least from the cities I visited.
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@JSM-bb80u Again, France is also a lot below replacement level of birth rate. Can you give me a single example of a feminist and non-religious country with above replacement fertility rates AT ANY TIME in recent history? Just because "feminist+social egalitarianism" means 0.1-0.3 more birth rate than "feminism+social gender roles" doesn't mean you found a successful model. Just 2 unsuccessful ones. And yes, all the low birth rate countries are at the very least 3rd wave feminist level. South Korea, China, Japan, Italy, Greece, Russia. All of them. There are also very egalitarian countries with very low birth rates like Germany.
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@JSM-bb80u All of the countries mentioned have extremely low birth rates. Very religious people are extremely low in all the countries you mentioned too. Identifying as religious and actually being religious, abiding every day by Christian ethics and morals, being in a tight Christian communities etc. If you look at actual studies on this, very religious people (pray every day, go to church every Sunday) are the only group with above replacement birth rates. But they are a small part of the population even in "highly religious countries". Can you tell me how many women in Italy, Poland and Ukraine would agree with this fundamental statement about the function of Christian marriage? "Wives should fully submit (always obey) to their husbands" I am in a "highly religious" country. Believe me, the vast majority of my peers are not religious. And I've yet to find a very religious woman my age (I know of a few men though).
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It'd be quite amusing seeing the collapse although most of us would 100% suffer through it. I guess anyone who manages to have offspring could hope to have a healthy society for his grandchildren.
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@vectorsahel5420 Nope it was an economics university that encompasses language studies as well. Their male population is a lot more rural than their female population. Chinese women are enrolling at higher rates in unis than Chinese men. Only in Doctorate degrees Chinese men overtake women. In both undergraduates and masters they are more.
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@HannyDart Chemistry engineering here is also male dominated. Only architecture is female dominated from our fields. I study electrical and computer engineering.
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@rgonzalo511 80% of Japanese high school boys aged 16-18 never had a kiss. 80%. That's all you need to know about "Muh demographics".
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@captainalex157 I dont use apps, I have plenty of goals besides women and I don't have one. Having said that, it's most likely true that if I put even a miniscule amount of effort I could get one. But why would I? I see my grandmother and then I see the women I hang out with or I see around and many of them are fine girls. But they're far from relationship material, nevermind marriage material. So what should I do? Hop on a relationship after a relationship until I reach my 30s and I am forced to marry 30+ yo that's been through the ringer that is gonna give me at best 2 kids and nag my balls? Become a serial monogamist like most my peers? I don't think so. If I ever find a good dutiful and marriage minded girl maybe then I'll pursue. Until then I don't see the reason or the incentive to do so.
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@buddermonger2000 You didn't watch his video then did you? He speculates that housing may cause it, but he brings up study after study that shows house prices have literally 0% affect on birth rates. My grandfather slept in a room with 6 people and no beds during his childhood. Housing has absolutely nothing to do with creating a family. Housing costs in rural places are almost always low and on top of that you don't really need an enormous house to raise a bunch of children in. Secularization is in fact the effect. The moment people leave their faith in God and their ancestral values, they become atomized and self-centered.
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eeeeewwwwwww Why would you try to date a single mom. That's disgusting.
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@blugaledoh2669 The difference in likelihood is less than 5% btw. So divorce being 40% instead of 45% still makes the odds of MY wife divorcing me higher statistically speaking. If you eliminate the divorces filed by men, since I don't believe in divorce besides on clear cases of breaking the vows. I only care about the chances of HER divorcing me. If we break it down, the "lower likelihood" of a divorce occuring if the woman is educated being adjusted to the chances of said educated woman divorcing me would add up to actually a higher likelihood of an educated woman divorcing me than an uneducated one.
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@captainalex157 Not religious. Serial monogamists. Not marriage minded. Many either don't want kids or want 1 or 2. Do not believe in the traditional Christian marriage structure. Those are the main reasons tbh.
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If I want an empty carton I can go to my fridge after my omelet meal.
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@blugaledoh2669 Yes. My grandparents marriage was really that great. Both of them in fact. From my limited experience, the marriage of my aunts and uncles were good enough as well.
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80% of Japanese high school boys have never had their first kiss. How does the "sex ratio" explain this one?
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@Ammiragliosalvatorefortissimo There is no viable solution. The changes we need are mainly societal and there needs to be a massive cultural shift for it occur. The best we can do is form strong traditional communities, put out positive propaganda for traditionalism and Christianity and enter the lobby.
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Why would I want a girlfriend? I want a wife. I am not a serial monogamist, I am an actual monogamist because I am a Christian.
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@captainalex157 I am not afraid of women. In fact most of the people I hang out with are women (although obviously my closest friends are men). They're nice girls (otherwise I wouldn't bother to hang out with them), but they're not nearly to what I look for in a future wife. None of them.
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@blugaledoh2669 Again you don't factor the person who does the divorcing and on top of that divorce rate statistics are quite faulty because they don't account for lifelong marriages. If you remove divorces initiated by the husband, the divorce rates would be pretty much equal with a college/uni educated women being a bit ahead.
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Finding a girlfriend isn't a big deal. Finding a woman worth marrying and having children with is.
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@mysterioanonymous3206 As of now very little. But so did my grandfathers at my age. However, I'll have a masters at one of the highest paying engineering fields in a few years. I'm a little above average attractiveness (5.5-6) with some room for improvement. I am decisive and know what to do with my life (already knew what I'll study in college since I was 13 or so). I am religious although I am working on it since I am not at a level that satisfies me. I have strong Christian family(patriarchal) and nationalist values. I am also not anti-social, although I've went into anti-social rabbitholes before for some months or so. I am not autistic, although a little socially awkward at times. I can also identify my faults and negatives. Those are my positive attributes that could appeal to such a woman. I may have missed some though. In short. Yes I will be able to provide. Yes I will probably be smarter than her. Yes I will be able to protect. My genes are decent. Let me know what I rank amongst young men let's say ages 18-25 since I won't specify my age. I'd like to see an assessment from someone outside my friends that knows marriageable women.
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P*rnography has nothing to do with this. That'd just push men into being simps to get p*ssy or be toxic to get casual s**. Banning contraceptives could work, but also ban welfare for single mothers, unless you enforce marriages and ban divorce. I don't see how it will actually fix the spiritual issue at hand.
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@Asdf-wf6en same thing. If they have given up then it'd be even worse to be honest. Lack of interest can change far easier than reversal of giving up.
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@texanplayer7651 The 5% data comes from the fact that there are an insane amount of "incels" in the cities. It makes no sense that 60% of men aged 18-35 are single if you're only seeing demographics. It wouldn't even touch the tip of the issue. I'd say it's 2-20% depending on the country. China for example would be on the higher scale. Most Western countries would be on the lower scale.
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@M43782 Yep, same garbage.
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@M.Swigglez Christian societies were less corrupt than any modern society atm. And they were also not even close to being as spiritually bankrupt as we are nowadays.
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