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Since there are quite a few comments under this video likening its content to the Whatifalthist´s videos, many of them in a positive way but some of the comments in a manner indicating that I am duplicating his work, I feel it is fair to address it. I am, of course, aware of his work, and I do enjoy it. It would be disingenuous to pretend otherwise. I am also aware that many points I am raising in this particular video, for example, the cultural emulation or share of the European GDP falling, were raised by him in his work, and I was thinking about the implications when I was working on this video since I obviously do not want to seem as a copycat of a very successful established creator. But on the other hand, I genuinely believe those points to be true, I know that I was thinking and reading about them and this whole topic years before I even knew that Whatifalthist exists, and I also believe that I can offer different perspectives and also more detailed knowledge of inner workings of Europe since I am European myself. I hope this clears things up a little bit! Thanks for all the positive comments and the constructive critique alike!
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This video is doing great so far. Thank you all for watching and for your kind words of praise! I will try to work on the pronunciation and intonation!
But I need to address certain issues appearing in the comment section since some of the comments are really unhinged. I won't delete any comments, but I want to clarify that I denounce and disagree with the following:
Giving too much weight to research regarding IQ and race since it leads to very ugly rabbit holes and is just an evil way to evaluate people. If IQ is so important, why wouldn't you measure the IQ of the population of your country and expel the low-IQ people?
Anti-semitism and the notion that the "Jews" are behind everything. Even if I ignore that it is foolish to think that they would wield the power to influence world affairs in such a matter, why would they do it? How does, for example, the state of Israel benefit from the pro-Palestine stance of Europe? How is it in the interest of Jews to increase anti-semitism in France so that the Jews emigrate to Israel? Jews are not a monolith. Sure, some Jewish people promote globalist secularist liberal values, but there also are conservative nationalist Jews and everything in between.
Obviously, and I am somewhat surprised I even have to write it, any manifestations of neonazism. If Hitler had won, as some people in the comments suggest, my people and many other Central and Eastern European peoples I hold dear would not be here. Eastern European Neonazi is an oxymoron; I am an Untermensch according to Nazis.
Any calls to violence.
As for the Great Replacement Theory, I already spoke about it in the video about the Great Demographic Implosion (part II). While it is just a mathematical fact that in certain countries, for example Germany, every year the number of people that dies, mostly ethnic natives, are balanced off by immigrants so the population and the workforce do not decline, I sincerely do believe that it is not some grand conspiracy by the elites or "the Jews" or whatever. It is a combination of, in my opinion, not well-thought-out policies, conformism, and lack of political courage. But the world is not a place that can be governed in the way people believe conspiracy theories think it can be managed. It is mostly chaos, an intersection of hundreds of interests, events, and incidents. Assuming that it is all run by some nefarious elites in the background gives us a certain sense of peace by believing that it is all governed by someone. It is not. The truly scary reality is that nobody runs anything; it is a train without an engine driver.
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Addressing frequent criticisms:
1.) Many people have pointed out that I did not foreclose, point out, or filter out my political biases. After thinking about it for some time, I must admit it is a legit criticism. This channel and the analysis are rooted in my worldview, which can be described as right-wing or conservative. I have presumed that my regular viewers know this at this point and did not really think about it, but it is true that I should have thought about the new or irregular viewers and pointed this out somehow. The first chapter, which is more or less ideologically neutral and descriptive, only highlighted the contrast with the next chapter. In the chapter about society and politics, my views influence the analysis more.
2.) Many people have pointed out that they never heard the argument that gay marriage would improve the economic situation and get as economically closer to the more developed countries or that this it is a nonsensical argument. But it is important to note that I have NOT said that in the video. I mentioned the example of same-sex marriage in regard to the, in my opinion, false dichotomy presented by certain Czech politician presenting same-sex marriage as something that puts us civilisationally either to the West or to countries like Russia, not in regard to economic development. I have repeatedly listened to that part of the video to confirm this. Still, since many people repeated this criticism, I should have probably presented that part more eloquently or understandably, and it is thus on me.
Have a nice day!
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Thank you for all the comments, both the praise and the views challenging my video; they are all welcome! I want to clarify a few points in response to some repeated critiques from the comments:
I am aware of the inclusive rhetoric of the Russian elite trying to coerce different ethnicities within some new Russian civilizational identity. But I think that was the case both in the times of the Russian empire and in the times of the Soviet Union, and both times, it was mostly a utilitarian facade behind which was Russian imperialism leaning to a large extent on Russian ethnicity. The rhetoric is one thing, and the actual policies another. Imperial and Soviet elites were trying to culturally Russify the subjugated populations by denying the national languages within the education and "exporting" ethnic Russians to the ethnically non-Russian regions. This goes for both the conquered people in Europe and Asia. The exporting of Russians stopped only when there were not enough Russians to export. When there was a choice to be made between letting other peoples suffer from famine or the ethnic Russians in the imperial core, the leadership did not wait for a second. Even during the Soviet Union era, which was pushing the universal post-national socialist future, the Soviet leadership was very nervous when looking at each new census and the decline of ethnic Russians within the state (in the bio of the video is a great book that deals with this topic). They even rolled out pro-natalist policies implicitly aimed at ethnic Russians/Eastern Slavs since they were not implemented in Central Asia and the Caucuses.And I doubt it is different today.
Kamil Galeev, who some will undoubtedly say is biased and anti-Russian but who nevertheless writes excellent books about Russia and knows it deeply, says that even in the current 2021 census, there were significant pressures to expand the percentage of people declaring Russian ethnicity, which points to the interest of the state on at least maintaining the facade of significant Russian majority.
From this angle, I want the parts of the video discussing immigration from Central Asia to Russia to be viewed. I do not think the increasing number of non-Russians within Russia is objectively wrong because of the lower amount of "white Christians" or anything like that. I think it is a problem for the Russian state that is, explicitly or implicitly, an imperial project of the Russian people. From my point of view, Central Asians were exposed to the same Russian imperialism as Poles, Baltic nations, or Czechs. I wish only the best to Central Asian nations. They never did anything bad to my nation or the nations in my part of the world. Russian imperialism did.
As for the critique aimed at my alleged anti-Russian views fueled by Western propaganda, so be it. There is a hard bridge, maybe impossible, to cross between the opinions of people that support Russia in the current war and the overall geopolitical struggle between the West and Russia and the people that support Ukraine and the West, with all its faults. I belong to the second group.
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As always, thank you for all the comments, both the praise and the constructive criticism! I will try to respond to them in the following days.
I need to correct myself for a mistake I said in the video, which viewer @staeins informed me about. From 11:25, I speak about how there is a contradiction in our perception of different family systems, where the one perceived as the most modern is actually the most anachronistic, from the anthropological perspective, and the one perceived as the most primitive, the clan structure used in the Muslim world, is the most sophisticated since it has developed the longest in the area where the agriculture has been practiced the longest.
The mistake I made lies in the fact that the family system sedentary agricultural societies used was the patrilineal stem family system, in which primogeniture is used, and the oldest son with his family lives with the father and inherits the belongings which help to preserve the wealth within the family. The nomadic Arabic, Turkic, and other conquerors imposed the clan structure with high levels of cousin marriage on the agricultural middle-east populations.
The nuclear family allegedly often used by the pre-agricultural societies, was misplaced by the Stem, or authoritative, patrilineal family system, and the clan structure brought by the nomads stood outside of this development and was then imposed by the nomadic conquerors. I again checked the book I used as a source; its information agrees with what @staeins writes in his comment. Thus, the notion that the family structure often perceived as the most primitive is actually the most sophisticated is, at least partially, not correct and I stand corrected. I had to mix it up in my head when writing. I apologize for the mistake and I thank @staeins for pointing it out.
Edit: The part where I say the incorrect statement could, fortunately, be relatively smoothly edited out, which I did.
Thank you!
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I get your point, and I know that the current Russian ruling class is trying to craft an inclusive Russian civilizational identity not tied to a specific ethnicity. But do you think it will be more successful than during the Soviet times, when they, at least rhetorically and nominally, tried the same? I mean, even during the Soviet Union, which was pushing the universal post-national socialist future, the Soviet leadership was very nervous when looking at each new census and the decline of ethnic Russians within the state (in the bio of the video is a great book that deals with this topic). They even rolled out pro-natalist policies implicitly aimed at ethnic Russians/Eastern Slavs since they were not implemented in Central Asia and the Caucuses.
To me, it seems clear that while different populations can be and are integrated into the Russian state, for example, the mentioned Tatars, it will have severe consequences for the Russian state if the ethnic balance shifts even further in the coming decades. Maybe I am wrong; I definitely might be. But I think that history is pointing more to me being right. The Russian Empire and the Soviet Union were trying to Russify the subjugated populations, European or Asian. Because they knew it was in the interests of the state that were both Russian imperial projects.
As for the religious populations and their fertility in Russia, I do not have sufficient data to analyze them. In my video about European religious fertility, I based that video on a book regarding the subject. I am not saying it is not valid, just that I do not want to presume without sufficient data bedrock.
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It is fair to say that since this video was created kind of unexpectedly, I did not deal with all the arguments used.
The hiring of Eastern Europeans in Western Europe is an unrelated topic. Only difference is that now Eastern Europeans have the choice to go to the west and do what they can (nobody is forcing them to go there, it is a voluntary choice of certain individuals to pursue work opportunities in the west). During communism, they mostly just could not emigrate legaly, but if they could, millions would.
Dismantling of socialist industries? They were completely uncompetitive in a market environment, they worked just in the absurd bubble of socialist economy, where things were often made just to complete a 5-year plan, not because they were wanted or needed by the people. And things that were wanted, like cars or a wide variety of consumer goods, were not available. Even a relatively poorer family today can get things like tropic fruits relatively regularly and own a smartphone or a computer. Under socialism, most people might get a banana or an orange few times a year and the domestic indutry could not come even close to manufacturing a normal computer.
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Since quite a lot of people seems to have a problem with the statements about the suitability of certain parts of the world for democracy (Orthodox countries, Muslim countries), I feel like I need to clarify it, because I might have wite it in a manner that people misunderstood or I just wrote it in a way that is hard to comprehense (my bad).
It is a rather complex issue, but from a wide range of psychological researches, it has been proven that the level of exposure to the efforts of early western church (circa 500-1000 AD) to break the kinship structures had a profound effect on creation of impersonal trust (since in kin-based systems you learn to trust your extended family or a clan, but not strangers), increase opposition to authority (since you are not subordinated to the family patriarch), increases individualism (since you are not acting as a member of a collective clan, but an individual), voluntary association (when clan structures are broken down, people start to associate in guilds, councils, Orders etc.), personal property (since in clan based soieties property was usually corporately owned by the clan), modern markets creation (when you have to interact with non-kin strangers, norms to regulate trade and simmilar conduct need to be created) and many other aspects of what sow the seeds of creating the modern west. These efforts were mostly successful in the western Europe, which then became adherent of western chruch after the Schizm. They were less successful, even though present, in what was later to become the Orthodox civilisation and non-existent in the muslim world. There is a fascinated book about this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WEIRDest_People_in_the_World
So, it is not about something connected to Islam or the Orthodox church religious practises as such, but more about the unexpected collateral impacts of the efforts of the church to extend its power (church was getting more money from the testaments if it persuaded people to not left everything to the family, as was the practice before, church also enlarged its influence on marriage by having the monopoly to legitimate marriage. Before, arrenged marriages were common etc...). So church in the west have sowed the seeds of the modern western civilisation pretty much by accident.
And to not be accused of some arrogant or even racist western supremacism, I just want to clarify that even my neck of the woods, the Czech Republic, is not fully western in this regard. The Central European countries were exposed to this efforts by the church, but to a lesser extent then the core carolingian lands (France, Benelux, Germany, northern italy etc..). I do not think that it means anyone is inferior. I also do not think that democracy is inherently the best way of government. It is best in certain circumstances, there are better alernatives in other circumstances.
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I completely agree with you that there is a huge difference between the African-Americans and immigrants to Europe in the reason why there are where they are. The immigrants came voluntarily, and Africans were shipped as enslaved people. Crucial distinction. I also agree with you that the word assimilation, as it is usually used regarding immigration, usually carries more cultural connotations than in the context of African-Americans. Black Americans are quintessentially American; I agree with that. The contribution of your people to what is perceived as an American culture is undeniable.
But, at the same time, Black Americans are still an economic underclass that often lives in segregated inner city neighborhoods (I do not deny that racist policies were contributing to that, I mention it in the video) and often perceive themselves to be in opposition to the mainstream "white" culture, due to their previous struggles. What I meant by the comparison, which Christopher Caldwell initially formulated, is that I fear that the destiny of immigrants and their descendants in Europe will be more similar to the social role of African Americans in the USA, economic underclass living in segregated neighborhoods, than to most of the other immigrants to the USA that assimilate completely, culturally and economically, among the "white" mainstream culture.
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"It is not the fault of politicians, if people do not know what they are voting for."
Here I disagree. For democracy to work, you need reasonably educated voters that are able to understand what they vote for and how the system works. But that is basically impossible within the current EU context. I mean, I am a person that is really into politics and I even have university education that helps me to grasp EU politics, but even for me it is relatively challenging to make some sense of it. How can you ask an average voter, some guy that is working normal job and not spending majority of his free time reading up on politics (and if he is, it is about the national politics, not the EU politics) to make a qualified decision in the EU parliament elections, which are mostly a rehash of the national elections anyway? He would need to know the whole EU power structure, not just the formal one but also the informal leavers of power, to do so and he would also need to think in the context of Europe, to evaluate how the elections will end up in the other EU countries and vote in this context. In my opinion, democracy can not work like this. It is too diluted. The EU is formally democratic, it has all the institutions, but it do not have the psychological base for it, the constituency.
And it is the fault of the politicians if the people do not know what they are voting for, since the mostly do not explain it to them properly. If you say to the people "Green deal means sustainable, environmentally sensitive economy based on cutting edge green tech", sure, sounds great, who wouldn't want that. If politicians said to the people "It also means very high energy prices leading to uncompetitive industry and possible Deindustrialization, lowering living standards and so on", who would vote for it? Almost no one. And you can now see in Germany, one of the most environmentally conscious populations, that the people are now seriously second guessing it. And the problem of the EU, in my opinion, is that it incentivises lack of accountability. Stuff like this is decided in Brussels, too far away from the hearts and minds of average voters.
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@hybirr All right, I am gonna list here some of the things empirically happening in the West that I see as very damaging and I do not want them to happen in my country:
1.) Indoctrination of schoolchildren with very suggestively made information about issues of gender and transgender leading to a high number of children identifying as either trans or non-binary while the system is very supportive of this, even though it is of biologically impossible for all of them to suddenly truly be "non-CIS" and vast majority of them just have some kind of teen identity crisis (which most adolescence or teens have). This leads to underage children undergoing transitions without medical due diligence, significantly damaging them for life. This is empirically happening in the west, mostly the Anglosphere. I think that the Czech laws regarding trans-issues (it is of course possible, but the due diligence is very, very thorough and it takes years to prevent possible mistakes) are sufficient and well-made.
2.) Legal anchorage of gender as something separate from biological sex. This is currently being implemented into the Czech law in the Istanbul treaty that medially presented as a treaty to fight against violence on woman, a subject that everyone can get behind, but is actually sort of "by the way" quietly implementing the legal institute of gender (so far, the Czech law recognises only biological sex). It is a prime example of progressives pushing issues that they could not push through democratically by various backdoors. Hopefully Czech parliament will not ratify it, but the EU as a whole will accept it anyway.
3.) The ESG regulations that pushes private companies to ostentatiously promote inclusivity, diversity etc., otherwise their funding from banks might be negatively influenced. This is completely deplorable practice that uses big capital to push ideological agenda. It is already happening in here too, I hope that the current push against it coming from USA will also influence Europe in this regard.
I could go on and on, but I think this is sufficient as examples of progressive ideas related to LGBTQ+ issues that I think are very dangerous and damaging to society and democracy. Now you might disagree with their dangerous nature, but they are definitely not imaginary. All of this is very real.
"To assert that this movement is ....inherently political is fraught with inaccuracy"
It was not the conservative side that made it inherently political. This was done by the progressives. And now it is inherently political and it will stay that way. And you might say that it is not connected to gay rights or to gay marriage, but it was not the conservative or reactionary side that inseparably connected this together. I think that the people that connected the LGB part with the other letters damaged Gay rights more than anyone else possibly could.
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@eliasorbon450 This point is often brought up, but I think it is rather debatable. If you measure the success of the EU purely by it existing, then yes, it is successful. If you however take a look at the position of the European continent in the world, it is unquestionable that it is declining very fast, especially since the EU integration started to become more fast-paced. Now, correlation does not mean causation, the decline could have been the same or worse without the EU, we will never know. But if you would measure the success of the EU by the overall position of Europe in the world affairs (economic growth, cultural influence, military power, demographic growth, technological innovation etc.), the EU cannot be called a success.
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What is interesting about your critique is that the hate of the muslims towards western countries due to the military operations in the middle-east, which is justifiable and I would not blame them for it, does not stop them from migrating to the western countries. Military is just an extension of the state power. If one hates Britain so much, why would he want to live in it and enjoy all the opportunities it offers?
And second, it does not change anything about the main message of this video: that the mass immigration to Western Europe from the Africa, middle-east, Turkey and Pakistan just does not work. Nowhere in the video am I saying that Islam is bad, nor do I think so. I called it a proud and ancient culture in the video, which it is. It is just not that compatible with the western culture, if properly implemented. If the reason for the disfunction of the current state is partially the fact that the West has been acting ruthlessly and damagingly towards the countries, so be it. But the end result is still the same.
As for the cultural fixation, that is just about what is included within the term culture. To me, hate toward western countries because of their military interventions is part of the broader culture. I am from post-communist central Europe and we do not like Russia for the same reason, which is also integrated into the culture at this point. But if you damaged certain region with your military, maybe it is not such a great idea to continue importing people from a region where they have many legitimate reasons to hate your guts?
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It is not about the Orthodox church not being suitable for democracy or the western church being fit for it as such.
It is a rather complex issue, but from a wide range of psychological researches, it has been proven that the level of exposure to the efforts of early western church (circa 500-1000 AD) to break the kinship structures had a profound effect on creation of impersonal trust (since in kin-based systems you learn to trust your extended family or a clan, but not strangers), increase opposition to authority (since you are not subordinated to the family patriarch), increases individualism (since you are not acting as a member of a collective clan, but an individual), voluntary association (when clan structures are broken down, people start to associate in guilds, councils, Orders etc.), modern markets creation (when you have to interact with non-kin strangers, norms to regulate trade and simmilar conduct need to be created) and many other aspects of what sow the seeds of creating modern west. These efforts were mostly successful in the western Europe, which then became adherent of western chruch after the Schizm. There is a fascinated book about this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WEIRDest_People_in_the_World
But that is not to say that there can not be democracy elsewhere or that all the countries perceived today as western were exposed to this destruction of clan-based structures. For example in Finland, kinship structures remained very strong. But I believe that relatively few coutries are really antropologically western and suited for democracy, mainly in northwestern Europe and the Anglosphere. Even the Visegrad countries are, in my opinion, mostly westernised, but the values ingrained in the Western core are not really deeply rooted in (more than in Orthodox countries though. Same goes for regions as Southern Italy or Southern Spain or Ireland.
As for the Greek case, I agree. I mentioned Greece because it was relevant in the another parts of the video that were suppose to come afterwards, but I then decided to make this video into a separate one. that is why I do not mention Greece later. But I consider Greece to be an Eastern European country.
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Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it! The birth rates of practising christian women are over 2 in many of the researched countries, for example France, Sweden or Netherlands, since those are countries with relatively higher fertility, and they are around 2 in countries with very low fertility like Spain or Poland . As for the assumption of children not defecting, I am not really assuming it. As I say in the video, there is a possibility that they will defect and the secularisation will continue. But the data from the countries, where the secularisation is furthest (Czech Republic, Sweden, The Netherlands, France, UK) suggests, that the decline has flatlined and the bottom was found and there is very real possibility that growth will come in the coming decades.
Also, I believe that the conversion rates might start to change, since many people are really unhappy in the current world and they are looking for something to believe in. I think that it will more likely be certain branches of protestantism (charismatic church, non-denominational protestantism, pentecostalism and such) than catholicism or traditional European protestantism, since those are forged on the competitive American religious "market" and it would be in sync with the Americanisation of European culture.
As for the boringness of the data presentation, I guess you got the point. But the data are also kind of the meat of the video and I needed to present them somehow and I did not come up with any more amusing form. And as for the lack of well rounded analysis, I guess that it is possible. I am not a sociologist or a demographer. These videos are not scientific research papers. I just wanted to talk about the things I am interested in and I hope someone will enjoy to watch it! But I will try to get better with the coming videos.
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Thank you for all the comments, both the praise and the views challenging my views!
Since many comments seem disturbed or angered by the comments regarding same-sex marriage in the video, I want to clarify my position on this issue in this comment.
The example of same-sex marriage was primarily used to illustrate the dishonest and, in my opinion, stupid argumentation that certain people use. Creating pressure by saying that on the issue of same-sex marriage, we are deciding if we want to ally ourselves with Russia (a state that most people understandably do not see positively) or with the wealthy, democratic, developed West is misguiding and manipulative. Gay marriage has very little to do with foreign policy, economy, and geopolitical positioning. By not having same-sex marriage, I could say that we are allying ourselves with Italy, Poland, Japan, or South Korea, developed democratic countries. And by legalizing same-sex marriage, we are associating ourselves with South Africa and Colombia. It is like being a child saying that I need a new iPhone or something and then arguing that I need it because other kids have it too, instead of talking about the merit of the thing itself. And gay marriage has valid arguments going for it. That just isn't one of them.
So, to begin with, there are two ways to view marriage as an institution. First, it is a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship between two people who love each other and want to live with each other. Since it is their private matter, they should be allowed in a liberal society. That is currently prevalent in the West. The second is that marriage is the foundational bedrock of any functioning society, and it has one principal purpose - to create a fitting environment for conceiving and raising children. Now under this second view, it can, by default, be only allowed for heterosexual couples since only they can biologically conceive. Sure, you might argue that heterosexual couples that can not or do not want to have children can also get married, and that is true. Still, in principle, heterosexual couples can create children while homosexual couples can not. Now with the first definition, the problem is that if marriage is understood as a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship of people that love each other and want to live with each other, there are not many arguments to be made against, for example, legalization of polygamy, since why could not more than two people that love each other and want to share their lives also get this recognition and get married? They are not bothering anyone; it is their private matter. But monogamy is one of the foundations of the success of Western civilization (WEIRDest people in the world - great book about the topic by Joseph Heinrich). Sure, many will say that this is an argumentation fallacy, creating a scenario that hypothetically stems from the issue at hand and then arguing against the hypothetical scenario instead of against the issue at hand. But I consider it quite dangerous to tinker with marriage as an institution too much since we usually do not think about the possible long-term consequences of such changes; we are just riding on a wave of progress that feels good. Homosexuality should be respected as a way of life in a liberal society, which it is in the Czech Republic, and any manifestations of homophobia that are against the law should be punished accordingly. But I do not think that having a separate legal institution for the relationship of gay people is either homophobic or is it making them second-class citizens in any way. It is just a recognition of the fact that marriage between a man and a woman is, due to the biological reality, different in nature than a relationship between two men or two women.
The second point is that the situation is specific in the Czech Republic for two reasons. First, the word for marriage in Czech is manželství, which comes from the proto-Slavic combination of words for man and woman. So it is baked into the word's etymology, which is not an issue in English. Now there is currently a debate about the subject in the Czech parliament; one side wants to legalize gay marriage, other wants to have a different name for the institution but otherwise equalize all the rights connected to it (taxes, bureaucratic stuff, common property, heritage, etc.) except for the rights related to raising children (I support this. I believe that gay people should have the option to have their relationship recognized by law and have all the advantages of marriage in terms of legal and financial matters. I will get to the question of children later); the third side wants to put into the constitution that marriage has to be between a man and a woman (that won't pass, IMO). Now the situation is complicated because if the law calls it marriage, it automatically means that the couples will have the right to adoption since the law about adoption just gives the right to any married couple (the lawmakers did not think about same-sex marriage at the time). But that is an entirely separate issue since the people that want to enact gay marriage constantly repeat that it is just between the two people and will not affect anyone else. Still, they want to legalize two things at once - marriage and adoption. But with adoption, it is different since that is not only about the two people getting married, which arguably really does not affect anyone else, but mainly about the child. Now you might say that being raised by a gay couple is better than an orphanage, and I agree with that. The problem is that in the Czech Republic ( I assume that in other countries, it is often similar), the demand for children to adopt far outstrips the supply since many couples can not have children. While orphanages are full, a substantial portion of the children in them is either Romani/gypsy, disabled, or often both. And, to be frank, most couples want, let's be real, white and healthy baby. So gay couples really could not adopt a baby from an orphanage since there will always be a huge number of heterosexual couples that want to adopt. So the adoption of the children often revolves around surrogate motherhood, which is problematic in many ways since it is often done by very poor mothers, often of migration background, and opens up a lot of additional ethical themes. It might be good to regulate it somehow, but it needs a separate societal debate. That is why I support the proposal to equalize all the rights except adoption and use a different name for this legal relationship. But the proponents, of course, wildly disagree since they also want the adoption, and the word marriage has great symbolic value for them.
Then there are two additional things to mention. First is the slippery slope argument. There is a machine of nonprofits, journalists, and various pressure organizations, often financed by the EU or some liberal think tanks (also frequently funded by the EU), standing behind the relentless campaign for same-sex marriage. That is, of course, fine; people are free to propagate their ideas. But when the goal is reached, this machine won't stop, even though they often claim that this is all they want. The people are ideologically driven to implement more concepts known from the West, and it is also a profitable business for many people connected to the EU/other significant Western financial sources. Thus, as soon as the gay-marriage is legalized, some new, more advanced goal will be immediately established and pursued with the same fervor, now or never rhetorics (do we want to side with Russia and Hungary or with The West??), and media pressure. This might sound cynical, but I see this issue as a kind of dam holding other, much more damaging progressive ideas at bay for the moment.
And finally, the way in which the proponents of gay marriage are leading the campaign is repulsive to me. The defenders of the "traditional" understanding of marriage, often members of the Christian conservative right that is a fairly minor force in the Czech Republic and certainly does not pose any threat to anyone, are relentlessly attacked and mocked by a large portion of the media sphere as extremists, far-right, catholiban, clerofashists, ultraconservatives, and bigots; they are often accused of being connected to Russia (which they are not, and the court proved it). I see it as two legitimate political positions being discussed, both of them with valid arguments to be made for them. But by a very large portion of the media landscape, one of the positions is seen as a medieval barbarity that should ideally be banned, and the other as the default view to have if you want to be a part of a "decent" society. Every attempt to argue, however thoughtfully, against the legalization of gay marriage is met with hysterical accusations of wanting to create second-class citizens from gay people or not giving all citizens the same rights. That pisses me off. Have the decency to at least think about the other side's arguments; they are not some evil clerical demons; they just think about the world differently, more continually.
Sorry for the length; I wanted to clarify my position.
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Ahoj! Jsem rád, že jsi nikdy nečelila diskriminaci a doufám, že se ti v Praze líbí! Nemyslím si, že v Rusku panuje diskriminace vůči těm menšinám, které v Rusku žijí po staletí, a už vůbec ne vůči židům. Rusko je bezpochyby mnohem etnicky rozmanitější země než Česko :D Ale i přes to si myslím, že postupný úbytek etnických Rusů v Rusku rozhodně představuje značnou výzvu pro Ruský stát a jeho vedení, zejména pokud jde o současnou značnou emigraci vzdělanějších vrstev (příkladem této emigrace jsi nejspíš i ty) a zároveň velkou imigraci lidí z podstatně odlišných kultur střední Asie. Chtě nechtě, Rusko je stále impérium a má svůj imperiální národ, kterým jsou Rusové, ačkoliv vnímám, že Rus může být i etnicky odlišný od Slovanských Rusů.
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The term carries different connotations with immigrants and African-Americans since the situation of African-Americans is very particular. They are culturally assimilated, and their culture is quintessentially American. But, at the same time, they are an undeniable economic underclass living in segregated neighborhoods, and they often perceive their identity in opposition to the mainstream "white" American identity. That contrasts immigrants from other groups who usually assimilate to the mainstream "white" identity over a few generations. What I meant by the comparison, initially formulated by Christopher Caldwell, is that the fate of European immigrants might be more similar to the societal role of African-Americans, so the economic underclass living in segregated neighborhoods with very bad socioeconomic matrics (education, wealth, labor participation, etc.)
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I will try to explain my stance on this issue since it is rather complex, and there are several ways to look at it. I am not some hard-core anti-gay-marriage activist, and I have thought about the issue quite a lot.
So, to begin with, there are two ways to view marriage as an institution. First, it is a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship between two people who love each other and want to live with each other. Since it is their private matter, they should be allowed in a liberal society. That is currently prevalent in the West. The second is that marriage is the foundational bedrock of any functioning society, and it has one principal purpose - to create a fitting environment for conceiving and raising children. Now under this second view, it can, by logic, be only allowed for heterosexual couples since only they can biologically conceive. Sure, you might argue that heterosexual couples that can not or do not want to have children can also get married, and that is true. Still, in principle, heterosexual couples can create children while homosexual couples can not. Now with the first definition, the problem is that if marriage is understood as a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship of people that love each other and want to live with each other, there are not many arguments to be made against, for example, legalization of polygamy, since why could not more than two people that love each other and live with each other also get this recognition and get married? They are not bothering anyone; it is their private matter. But monogamy is one of the foundations of the success of Western civilization (WEIRDest people in the world - great book about the topic by Joseph Heinrich). So I consider it quite dangerous to tinker with marriage as an institution too much since we usually do not think about the possible long-term consequences of such changes; we are just riding on a wave of progress that feels good.
The second point is that the situation is specific in the Czech Republic for two reasons. First is that the word for marriage in Czech is different, it is manželství, and it comes from the proto-Slavic word for man and woman. So it is baked into the word's etymology, which is different in English. Now there is currently a debate about the subject in the Czech parliament; one side wants to legalize gay marriage, other want to have a different name for the institution but otherwise equalize all the rights connected to it (taxes, bureaucratic stuff, common property, heritage, etc.) except for the rights related to raising children (I support this), third side wants to put into the constitution that marriage has to be between man and woman. Now the situation is complicated because if the law calls it marriage, it automatically means that the couples will have the right to adoption since the law about adoption just gives the right to any married couple (the lawmakers did not think about this at the time). But that is an entirely separate issue since the people that want to enact gay marriage constantly repeat that it is just between the two people and will not affect anyone (as you said). Still, they want to push two things at once - marriage and adoption. But with adoption, it is different since that is not about the two people getting married, which arguably really does not affect anyone else, but mainly about the child. Now you might say that being raised by a gay couple is better than an orphanage, and I agree with that. The problem is that in the Czech Republic, the demand for children to adopt far outstrips the supply since many couples can not have children. While orphanages are full, a substantial portion of the children in them is either gypsy, disabled or often both. And, to be frank, most couples want, let's be real, white and healthy baby. So gay couples really could not adopt a baby from an orphanage since there will always be a huge number of heterosexual couples that want to adopt. So the adoption of the children often revolves around surrogate motherhood, which is problematic in many ways since it is often done by very poor mothers, often of migration background, and opens up a lot of additional ethical themes. It might be good to regulate it somehow, but it needs a separate societal debate. That is why I support the proposal to equalize all the rights except adoption and use a different name for this legal relationship. But the proponents, of course, wildly disagree since they also want the adoption, and the word marriage has great symbolic value for them.
Then there are two additional things to mention. First is the slippery slope argument. There is a machine of nonprofits, media, and various pressure organizations, often financed by the EU or some liberal think tanks, standing behind the relentless campaign for same-sex marriage. That is, of course, fine; people are free to push their ideas. But when the goal is reached, this machine won't stop. The people are ideologically driven to implement more concepts known from the West, and it is also a profitable business for many people. Thus, as soon as the gay-marriage is legalized, some new goal will be immediately established and pursued with the same fervor, rhetoric, and media pressure. This might sound cynical, but I see this issue as a kind of dam holding other, much more damaging progressive ideas at bay for the moment.
And finally, the way in which the proponents of gay marriage are leading the campaign is repulsive to me. The defenders of the "traditional" marriage, often members of the Christian conservative right, are relentlessly attacked and mocked by the media as extremists, far-right, ultraconservatives, and bigots; they are often accused of being connected to Russia (which they are not, and the court proved it). I see it as two legitimate political positions being discussed, both of them with valid arguments to be made for them. But by a very large portion of the media landscape, one of the positions is seen as a medieval barbarity and the other as the default view to have if you want to be a part of a decent society. That pisses me off. Have the decency to at least think about the other side's arguments; they are not some evil clerical demons; they just think about the world in a different, more continual way. Their argumentation is more profound, I would say.
And the argumentation, "Are we with Russia, or are we with the West?" would be idiotic, even if I would completely agree with gay marriage.
Sorry for the length; I wanted to clarify my position.
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@BlackpilledBuddha6476
You are projecting onto me something I do not say or believe. Have you even watch the video? While I am somewhat aware of Dutton's ideas, I do not agree with them and the scientific papers I studied arrive at the opposite conclusion. I am not genetic determinist, Dutton is.
"relaxation on natural selection via industrial revolution, rise of mutations in gene pool, decline in birth rate and religiosity due to mutated people known as spiteful mutants etc etc."
It is the opposite, the industrial revolution started the selection regarding fertility, it did not relaxed it. As for the other stuff, I do not mention any of it.
"It's more like a general opinion because I recognize the type of channel this really is and what is secretly believes in behind closed, private doors."
You are projecting, there is nothing secretly believed behind the closed door. I believe what I say in the videos.
"religious will inherit the earth, save mankind and bring paradise onto earth''. This is a very powerful narrative myth pushed by Dutton"
My video about this issue is inspired by book by Eric Kauffman Shall The Religious Inherit The Earth?, not by Dutton. I include my sources every time.
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I have been thinking for a long time about your comment, and in the end, I partially agree with you. I think there certainly is a liberal establishment in the Czech Republic, represented by media like ČT, Český rozhlas, Deník N, Aktuálně, Seznam zprávy or Respekt. Those media are connected to fact-checking entities and particular political parties and occupy a disproportionately large part of the public space compared to the voting results of political parties they are ideologically aligned with. You can clearly see as many public figures are essentially pushed out of the "decent" public discourse. I am talking about people like Dan Vávra, Petr Drulák, or Vlastimil Vondruška, that are basically considered to be dangers to democracy or something by the establishment, even though they are not saying anything that controversial and are very successful in their respective fields.
It is funny how you mention Václav Klaus since he is probably the best example of how the hate of the liberal establishment I am talking about makes one of the two most prominent politicians of post-1989 Czech history essentially a marginal figure in the public debate with opinions that are regarded as entirely unacceptable and who now has to declare his support for a party like SPD because no "reasonable" party is servicing his part of the electorate.
Other examples are the attacks on the conservative candidate to be a deputy Ombudsman, the attorney Jakub Kříž. Without the very intensive smearing campaign against him by the liberal establishment and the non-profits before the Senat held the vote, he would likely succeed. Also, the fact that the current government, which an allegedly conservative party leads, sends someone like Kryštof Stupka to represent the Czech Republic at the UN climate conference, even though he does not have any expertise in the field whatsoever, is bizarre and seems like something reached by the long march through the institutions.
The public media are also terrible at even pretending to be objective in any way, which they should be because every citizen pays the concession fee. But their hatred of people like Babiš or Zeman is evident. It pushes about half the country's population to a strange position since they constantly hear that they are voting for undemocratic parties and are basically looked down upon by the establishment.
As for it only being properly present at FF UK, it always starts somewhere. In the West, it was only at this or that university at some point. But the FF UK example is bad enough. Look into what is, for example, Ela Plíhalová, a postgraduate on the faculty of social and cultural anthropology at FF UK, saying in her articles on A2larm or in her podcast Rozpustilý*í. It is top-tier woke shit, and I am fucking pissed that my taxes pay for it. Another example of strange woke Western ideas penetrating the public space is the absurd amount of media coverage given to the actress Tereza Těžká when she publicly declared that she is in polyamorous relationships or the neverending supply of articles in the aforementioned media supporting childlessness and again and again pushing the narrative that the aunts and grandmas asking women where will she have children is some form of emotional abuse or some shit.
Also, there clearly is a contracting space of what views it is acceptable to present in the public discourse, for example, when compared to the 1990s. There are many examples of the "canceling" mentality of the Western woke movement penetrating the Czech public space. Politicians like Jana Zwyrtek Hamplová or Daniela Kovářová upholding unfashionable views (I am not saying I agree with them on everything) are under heavy medial fire, and the establishment would love to cancel them if they would not be elected politicians.
But, on the other hand, I agree that woke or neo-Marxist is an incorrect way of naming a lot of that stuff, because there still is strong anti-communist flair in our public space, and that includes the liberal establishment, and that it is too early to accuse Petr Pavel of being influenced by such pressure groups. In the end, I decided to cut out the first part of the video, partly because I was thinking about your comment and partly because, from some other comments, people misunderstood my point and may have been misunderstood and misinterpreted.
I understand this comment is fairly lengthy, but I gave a lot of thought to your comment, and I aimed to cover as many aspects and factors as possible.
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@TheWillWojtek
Ok, I understand where you are coming from. You are right, It comes out more harshly than I wanted to. The thing with the used photos is that I always need some visual representation of the thing I am talking about. In the first case, I said that "people want to westernise the countries with large emphasis on cultural subjects like LGBT rights, climate change, female empowerment and migration", so I mentioned a bundle of things with LGBT+ not necessarily being the most important one, but the flag is an easy visual representation of the things I am talking about. I will diversify the pictures I am using. This was the case also in the second case, where I showed the pride march photo.
But yes, I should have said something like "apart from other reasons, the push for these agendas is in the case of Visegrad countries supported also by inferiority complex and emulation of the West".
Fair points.
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Climate change definitely is very pressing issue. But it is good to see it in some perspective. If you are Polish and there is a real possibility that, unless you are an economically competitive state with funds to support strong armed forces, you might be destroyed, once again, by Russia, what is more pressing? Climate change or economy? Or if you are in India and only way to continue the economic ascension of your people is by consuming vast amounts of coal, oil, steel, concrete etc., what is more pressing? Climate change or ascension of hundreds of millions from crushing poverty? I do not think climate change is not a big issue, but it is good to have more orienting points and also to take into account economic security and competitiveness. In Europe, this is not happening. In my country of the Czech Republic, our industry is suffering and will suffer significantly due to the energy price increases caused, not exclusively by significantly, by the EU anti-climate change policies. The people will be much poorer. And the results of stoping or even slowing down the climate change are unlikely to be achieved anyway.
As for the progressive ideology, climate change as such is not a part of it, since it is a natural phenomenon, but the reaction to it is definitely part of the broader progressive ideology, at least in Europe. If it was not ideological, without different imperatives at play than just trying to stop the climate change, the EU would push one thing mercilessly: Build as many nuclear power plants as possible as soon as possible, since that is the most rational way to go. Instead, they are making it as hard as possible to build new nuclear power plants. Where is the logic?
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The problem is that diversity and acceptance are just words, it is all about the substance they are filled with. And there is the problem. I am all for homosexuals being able to live safe lives without being harassed in any way from homophobic people and this is currently the situation in the Czech Republic (sure, you can always find some assholes harassing people, but it is generally not tolerated by society). Any kind of homophobic behaviour that is against the law (inciting violence against group of people based on their ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation etc.) is and should be punished accordingly. There is registered partnership in the Czech Republic as a form of legal institution regulating the relationships of same-sex couples. Now, currently one side wants to achieve the legalisation of same-sex marriage. Any kind of opposition to this proposal, however thoughtful or well constructed, is immediately attacked as backward homophobia and opposition to diversity and acceptance. Do you do not want to be part of the civilised world?? Do you know which country oppress gay people?? Russia! But in my opinion, and in an opinion of many people, having separate legal institutions for the relationships between a man and a woman, which is unique since it can produce children and thus secure the continuation of society as such, and for the relationship of same-sex people is not oppression. It is not creating second class citizens or a denial of basic rights in any way. It just respects the biological reality as well as the etymological reality, since the word for marriage in Czech is manželství, which contains Proto-slavic words for man and a woman. Maybe this is also the case in Slovenian language. There is nothing homophobic about this.
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Wow, quite a lot of information here! Thank you for your insight.
The increases around Moscow and the decrease within Moscow seems like classic suburbanization, people are moving away from the large cities to suburbs around them. As for the iffy stuff around the census, I have read quite a lot of info about significant pressure being exercised to increase the number of ethnic Russians within Russia by the state administration, so I think we just do not know. It could be that many ethnic Russians decided not to declare ethnicity, but why? It could also be that the officers were somehow reluctant to include some people of non-Russian ethnicity to their data and left them undeclared. Who knows. It all ads a significant uncertainty to all the provided data. But the fact that the there was 1.5 milion more deaths than births in Russia from 2011-2020 (the decade between the censuses) and simultaneously, the population of Russia did increase by 4 million in the same decade suggests that it is mathematically impossible for the number of ethnic Russians to stay stable, since all the population growth in the last decade was caused by immigration. So to me, any shenanigans surrounding the census points more to the option of the Russian ethnicity being overcounted, not undercounted.
As for the immigration, I would say that it is significant especially in synergy with the simultaneous mass emmigration, that was taking place on a very large scale even before the invasion and the invasion just magnified the trend. Sure, some portion of the 900 000+ which left had probably came back, but when you take into account that people were leaving by hundreds of thousands yearly in the last decade, it is almost guaranteed that this outflow will continue after the war. On the other hand, the immigration from Central Asia did allegedly also decreased rapidly after the start of the war, which would slow the process if sustained.
I would say that Russian demographics are very concerning, since the massive decline of population is almost certain to continue and even increase in the coming years and decades. The emmigration is especially problematic since those leaving are both those who would have children and also those who would significantly pull up the economy, since it is mostly the educated middle class. Russian economy is almost certain to enter a period of long stagnation/decline and people are preparing for it. There are for example thousands of Russian women flying to give birth in Argentina, so that their children have Argentinian citizenship and they can use this backdoor to emmigrate if they need to do so.
As for the Chinese fertility, sure, it is even worse. Not doubt about that.
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I will try to explain my views:
As for the abduction of Ukrainian children, the sources that shows that it is really happening are overwhelming and it is not possible for me to brush them aside as Ukrainian/western/anti-russian propaganda. As for the reasons, I do not think these two are necessarily mutually exclusive. Sure, the abductions can be justified by security reasons, but the fact that the children are then, and there are many sources showing the statements of children that have been to Russia and then were rescued, exposed to brainwashing was clearly showed, as well as the fact that the children are separated from their families and given to Russian families for adoption. I think that Ukrainian propaganda is almost certainly inflating the extend to which this is happening, the numbers are definitely much lower than it is claimed by the Ukrainian side, but the fact that it is happening is for me beyond reasonable doubt. As I said, you can brush the sources as western propaganda, but you can do the same with the Russian sources repudiating them and I just do believe western sources much more than Russian sources.
As for the claims regarding the way Russian government sees their ethnic minorities, I do not really see why it is controversial. I am not saying that Russia is a racist state that do not treat minorities well because they are not white/Slavic/European or whatever. That is not the case at all. But if Russian authorities deem something as as a potential source of destability of the Russian state, they will act ruthlessly in accordance with this persuasion. If there is an option to un-proportionally target the poor, peripheral and ethnically non-Russian regions during mobilisation and this is deemed to be more advantageous than to target ethnic Russians in the core western regions, it will be done. This was consistently done throughout history both during the Tzarist times and during the Soviet times. Cultural Russification and population exchanges was a popular tool of Russian imperial and Soviets elites. As I said in the video, the Soviet elites were very nervous about the changing ethnic balance of the Union even though Soviet Union was not a racist regime, but the elites knew that the backbone of the state are ethnic Russians and other Eastern Slavic ethnicities. I think this has not changed. But it is not based on racist predisposition, more on ruthless pragmatism IMO.
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Oh, I see. I do not share this view. For me, the never-ending effort to persuade the world to call us central Europe is a futile waste of time. In the mental maps of 95% of the world, a hard line separates post-communist Europe from former-capitalist Europe. But what we, Central Europeans, often forget is that this line is nothing new. The division between what is perceived as the Western world and what is "not really the western world" was on the German/Slavic border in the minds of Westerners for centuries. People often say that the western-eastern dichotomy is a cold war invention, and before that, people just perceived Hungary, Czechia, Poland, etc., as Central Europe. That is false. These countries were perceived as Central Europe primarily because they were governed and often also inhabited by Germans (roughly the western part of Poland was Germany until 1945, there were millions of Germans in Czechoslovakia, and it was part of the Habsburg empire). But do not for one minute think that westerners are calling our neck of the woods Eastern Europe because they are unfamiliar with our wish to be called Central Europeans. Oh, they know. They heard it hundred times (we are Catholics, not orthodox, etc....). They do not care. In their minds, we are Eastern Europe, and that will never change. So why care? Embrace it. Also, I think it is condescending towards nations like Ukrainians or Romanians to try not to be perceived as Eastern Europe desperately. You are basically telling them, "sorry, I just really really do not belong in the same group as you" (some backwater primitive countries under the influence of Russia...you said it yourself). Fuck it. I am Eastern European, loud, and proud.
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I agree with you. And it is interesting that according to the findings by the author of the documentary Birthgap, Stephen J. Shaw, the number of kids per mother did not really decreased that much since the time the fertility rate was over 2 children per women, so 1970´s-1990´s, depending on the country. So it is mainly the increase in childlessness that is fueling the decrease in birth rates, at least in the western Europe.
As for the genetic argument, It definitely seems true on an instictive level, but I need to research genetics little bit more to really get into it. But I would love to make video about this. One thing that is fascinated to me is that when you take into account that we (well, I am not sure how old are you, but I was born in the 1990´s), meaning the current generations of 20-somethings, are the smallest generations ever recorded almost everywhere in Europe and East Asia. When you take into account the fact that significant portion of our generation will remain childless, it creates significant genetic bottleneck and the relative genetic impact of those of us who will reproduce, the more the better, on the future of our nations will be significantly higher.
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40-70K? Allright.
As for the other stuff in your comment:
"I had commented on your first part on how you failed to take into account the current conflict and its demographic repercussions, both current and potential. You mentioned Crimea in this one, but completely disregarded the influx of the Ukrainian population, both in the form of refugees as well as purely on newly annexed territories. Which are counted in millions, and obviously do play a role. Plus, all the potential Ukrainian population in tandem with the respective pieces of land, that can still be conquered or lost in the process."
I mention Crimea in this one since it is relevant for the 2021 census which I am talking about. I mentioned the large influx of the Ukrainian refugees as well as the fact that it is not often mentioned in the Western media discourse in the first video though.
"But yeah, Russia lost "hundred of thousands" on the battlefield, is losing badly, and is about to collapse by the means of internal coups and interracial wars. I want to believe"
I never said any of those things expect the one about hundreds of thousands of casualties, which is mostly agreed upon by broad spectrum of military experts from many countries.
"According to your definition, YOU, personally, don't live in a country that is any less "authocratic". And if you think otherwise you are delusional. (For example try to go outside and say that Ukraine is actually the bad one, see how much time it takes til you get "cancelled".) 😂😂"
That is too absurd to engage with.
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There are two more issues I would like to address in response to some of the comments:
Around the 15:08 mark, there is a text wall in the video where I called what Kyle Rittenhouse did "vigilante justice." I did not really think through the negative connotations that the term vigilante carries, and I should have used another term. I am aware of the fact that he was acquainted since he was just defending himself, and he thus did not break the law and, therefore, should not be called a vigilante. More than to get into the ins and outs of this particular case, I wanted to illustrate the alien nature of the whole situation to most Europeans. In many European countries, the right to carry any firearms is severely restricted, and often only people working in some kind of security occupation can have guns (luckily, that is not the case in my home country of the Czech Republic). So, the whole situation in which a guy takes his gun and goes to a violent riot where many people are armed, gets attacked, and then uses his weapon to defend himself and shoots two people is precisely the kind of scenario that really could not, and do not, happen in Europe. I was not condemning his action; just using it as an example. But it is also undeniably true that this whole situation is, in its nature, a situation that usually happens in less developed countries without strict law and order, and this is precisely why it is an excellent example of the American uniqueness. But it was not a condemnation in any way.
The second point, many Americans in the comments seem insulted and get defensive about the things said in the video regarding the alleged similarity of Americans to original Homo Sapiens. I hope I have made it clear in the video, but the things said about the primal characteristic of Americans, pointed out by Emmanuel Todd, are not meant as insults at all. On the contrary, it is a tribute to American success and an explanation of its anthropological roots that I find interesting. And the contradictory European approach towards Americans, the combination of contempt and jealousy, is not a view I personally adhere to, even though I understand it. I was trying to communicate the approach that is very prevalent in Europe, especially Western Europe (post-communist Europe is very different in its attitude, as I said at the beginning of the video). So if someone got offended by it, It was not meant as an insult at all.
I will repeat this message in the next part of the video so also the people that won't see this comment hear it.
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@happyelephant5384
I will copy here an answer from other comment where I try to explain my view on gay-marriage. But I would just add that while relationship and intimate life definitely are a private matter and homosexuality should obviously be respected and openly homophobic acts should be punished by law, marriage is a bit different. That is a legal institutions regulated by law and it has many legal and societal repercussion.
"I will try to explain my stance on the issue of gay-marriage, since it is rather complex, and there are several ways to look at it. I am not some hard-core anti-gay-marriage activist, and I have thought about the issue quite a lot. I definitely not think that being gay is not correct.
So, to begin with, there are two ways to view marriage as an institution. First, it is a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship between two people who love each other and want to live with each other. Since it is their private matter, they should be allowed in a liberal society. That is currently prevalent in the West. The second is that marriage is the foundational bedrock of any functioning society, and it has one principal purpose - to create a fitting environment for conceiving and raising children. Now under this second view, it can, by logic, be only allowed for heterosexual couples since only they can biologically conceive. Sure, you might argue that heterosexual couples that can not or do not want to have children can also get married, and that is true. Still, in principle, heterosexual couples can create children while homosexual couples can not. Now with the first definition, the problem is that if marriage is understood as a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship of people that love each other and want to live with each other, there are not many arguments to be made against, for example, legalization of polygamy, since why could not more than two people that love each other and live with each other also get this recognition and get married? They are not bothering anyone; it is their private matter. But monogamy is one of the foundations of the success of Western civilization (WEIRDest people in the world - great book about the topic by Joseph Heinrich). So I consider it quite dangerous to tinker with marriage as an institution too much since we usually do not think about the possible long-term consequences of such changes; we are just riding on a wave of progress that feels good.
The second point is that the situation is specific in the Czech Republic for two reasons. First is that the word for marriage in Czech is different, it is manželství, and it comes from the proto-Slavic word for man and woman. So it is baked into the word's etymology, which is different in English. Now there is currently a debate about the subject in the Czech parliament; one side wants to legalize gay marriage, other want to have a different name for the institution but otherwise equalize all the rights connected to it (taxes, bureaucratic stuff, common property, heritage, etc.) except for the rights related to raising children (I support this), third side wants to put into the constitution that marriage has to be between man and woman. Now the situation is complicated because if the law calls it marriage, it automatically means that the couples will have the right to adoption since the law about adoption just gives the right to any married couple (the lawmakers did not think about this at the time). But that is an entirely separate issue since the people that want to enact gay marriage constantly repeat that it is just between the two people and will not affect anyone (as you said). Still, they want to push two things at once - marriage and adoption. But with adoption, it is different since that is not about the two people getting married, which arguably really does not affect anyone else, but mainly about the child. Now you might say that being raised by a gay couple is better than an orphanage, and I agree with that. The problem is that in the Czech Republic, the demand for children to adopt far outstrips the supply since many couples can not have children. While orphanages are full, a substantial portion of the children in them is either gypsy, disabled or often both. And, to be frank, most couples want, let's be real, white and healthy baby. So gay couples really could not adopt a baby from an orphanage since there will always be a huge number of heterosexual couples that want to adopt. So the adoption of the children often revolves around surrogate motherhood, which is problematic in many ways since it is often done by very poor mothers, often of migration background, and opens up a lot of additional ethical themes. It might be good to regulate it somehow, but it needs a separate societal debate. That is why I support the proposal to equalize all the rights except adoption and use a different name for this legal relationship. But the proponents, of course, wildly disagree since they also want the adoption, and the word marriage has great symbolic value for them.
Then there are two additional things to mention. First is the slippery slope argument. There is a machine of nonprofits, media, and various pressure organizations, often financed by the EU or some liberal think tanks, standing behind the relentless campaign for same-sex marriage. That is, of course, fine; people are free to push their ideas. But when the goal is reached, this machine won't stop. The people are ideologically driven to implement more concepts known from the West, and it is also a profitable business for many people. Thus, as soon as the gay-marriage is legalized, some new goal will be immediately established and pursued with the same fervor, rhetoric, and media pressure. This might sound cynical, but I see this issue as a kind of dam holding other, much more damaging progressive ideas at bay for the moment.
And finally, the way in which the proponents of gay marriage are leading the campaign is repulsive to me. The defenders of the "traditional" marriage, often members of the Christian conservative right, are relentlessly attacked and mocked by the media as extremists, far-right, ultraconservatives, and bigots; they are often accused of being connected to Russia (which they are not, and the court proved it). I see it as two legitimate political positions being discussed, both of them with valid arguments to be made for them. But by a very large portion of the media landscape, one of the positions is seen as a medieval barbarity and the other as the default view to have if you want to be a part of a decent society. That pisses me off. Have the decency to at least think about the other side's arguments; they are not some evil clerical demons; they just think about the world in a different, more continual way. Their argumentation is more profound, I would say.
And the argumentation, "Are we with Russia, or are we with the West?" would be idiotic, even if I would completely agree with gay marriage.
Sorry for the length; I wanted to clarify my position."
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It is a rather complex issue, but from a wide range of psychological researches, it has been proven that the level of exposure to the efforts of early christian church (circa 500-1000 AD) to break the kinship structures had a profound effect on creation of impersonal trust (since in kin-based systems you learn to trust your extended family or a clan, but not strangers), increase opposition to authority (since you are not subordinated to the family patriarch), increases individualism (since you are not acting as a member of a collective clan, but an individual), voluntary association (when clan structures are broken down, people start to associate in guilds, councils, Orders etc.), modern markets creation (when you have to interact with non-kin strangers, norms to regulate trade and simmilar conduct need to be created) and many other aspects of what sow the seeds of creating modern west and also democratic society. These efforts were mostly successful in the western Europe, which then became adherent of western chruch after the Schizm. There is a fascinated book about this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WEIRDest_People_in_the_World
Muslim nations usually are on the opposite end of the spectrum (heavily kinship-based). It is true though that India is also heavily kinship-based, so you have a point there. But I think that successful democray in the societies outside of the antropoligacally western parts of the world is more of a exception than the rule and is to a large extent influenced by the contemporary geopolitical environment ad might not stay there for long.
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It is not about the Orthodox church not being suitable for democracy or the western church being fit for it as such.
It is a rather complex issue, but from a wide range of psychological researches, it has been proven that the level of exposure to the efforts of early western church (circa 500-1000 AD) to break the kinship structures had a profound effect on creation of impersonal trust (since in kin-based systems you learn to trust your extended family or a clan, but not strangers), increase opposition to authority (since you are not subordinated to the family patriarch), increases individualism (since you are not acting as a member of a collective clan, but an individual), voluntary association (when clan structures are broken down, people start to associate in guilds, councils, Orders etc.), modern markets creation (when you have to interact with non-kin strangers, norms to regulate trade and simmilar conduct need to be created) and many other aspects of what sow the seeds of creating modern west. These efforts were mostly successful in the western Europe, which then became adherent of western chruch after the Schizm. There is a fascinated book about this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WEIRDest_People_in_the_World
But that is not to say that there can not be democracy elsewhere or that all the countries perceived today as western were exposed to this destruction of clan-based structures. For example in Finland, kinship structures remained very strong. But I believe that relatively few coutries are really antropologically western and suited for democracy, mainly in northwestern Europe and the Anglosphere. Even the Visegrad countries are, in my opinion, mostly westernised, but the values ingrained in the Western core are not really deeply rooted in (more than in Orthodox countries though. Same goes for regions as Southern Italy or Southern Spain or Ireland.
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Thank you for your insight, that was an interesting read. But it still does not really explain it for me, because every one of those factors you mentioned are really absolutely identical in the Czech Republic.
Lack of affordable housing for young people? Check (the price of housing in ratio to salaries is worst in the EU for Czechs, average apartment is worth 13 years of average salary, it is significantly less in Poland, which is often cited as an example here, because you construct much more housing).
Lack of accessible, high-quality institutional childcare? Check (under 5% of children under 3 are in institutional childcare), even though I think that is a good thing.
Lack of flexible work options on the labor market, making difficult to combine parenthood and part-time work? Check.
I do not know it is worst or better than in Poland, but it is a subject of debate here all the time.
And all the stuff about the housing you wrote is identical (investment in housing, high rates and freezing market, high rents because of that and Ukrainians.
So either Poles are reacting normally and Czechs are just weird, having kids even in those conditions. Or there just is something else in it. It is really interesting.
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Of course you have became the fourth largest economy also, not exclusively, because of your ethnic make-up. Different populations have different traits, different family systems, levels of kinship density, work ethics, propensity towards education and wealth accumulation, levels of individualism and other deeply anthropologically and culturally ingrained traits that influence the success of different nations. If you do not think that Germans were historically, and also today, very different then, for example, Slavs and other Eastern Europeans, and that it did not contribute to their economic and industrial success, you are wrong. And I say this as a Slav, even though it is not complimentary for me.
Sure, immigration s economically helping Germany since it is sucking up workforce from other countries and is offsetting the population ageing, but it will also dilute some of the prevalent traits of ethnic Germans that have been instrumental in your success. How this will turn out is to be seen. But the comparison with United States is flawed. United States are able to integrate immigrants much better than most continental European state will ever be, which is also given by many deeply ingrained historical reasons.
Apart from that, I was not talking about immigration in relation to economy, but to the willingness of the population to fight for the country. There is study done by Robert Koch institute that examines the changes the Bundeswehr is facing because of the rising ethnic diversity of the population and the Bundeswehr officers are themselves admitting that the ethnic minorities do not have interest in becoming soldiers (in America, the recruitment rates of Hispanic Americans are the same or higher as those of White Americans).
"EU, the most ambitious peace project this continent has ever seen" well, it is also existing largely because Americans are guaranteeing peace and protection of Europe with their military which allowed for most European countries to became basically militarily non-entities.
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The statement that CEE countries are German economic colonies is overblown and simplified. There definitely is an argument to be made about CEE countries having more than healthy parts of their economies owned by foreign capital, but Germany is far from having some kind of clear superiority in this matter. Germany is usually (not always tho) the biggest single investor, but other western countries like France, Netherlands, UK, US or Belgium combined are always much higher. Baltic states are for example more economically intertwined with the Nordic countries. Biggest investor in Poland is the Netherlands. In Romania, Germany has 14% shares on foreign investment, while France has 9% and Italy 8,5%. So it is far from total hegemony. These countries have pretty high share of their trade done with Germany (usually about 25-30%, for perspective, Canada has 80% with USA), but that is a state of mutual co-dependancy. German economy can not work without supply chains from east Europe.
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@jabrilbalakrishna
Alright, but there is a difference between exaggeration and straight-out putting words in my mouth.
As for the Ukrainian refugees in Russia, it is on timestamp 23:05 of the first video if you want to fact-check.
And as for the freedom of speech. I do not know where do you live or how much information do you have about the life in Czechia, but what truly is absurd is to implicate that the restrictions on freedom of speech here are on any level even comparable to Russia.
Here, the population is relatively heavily pro-Ukrainian in regards to this conflict. If you would shout out that Ukrainians are bad and to be blamed for this conflict, it would certainly spark a discontent among many people. You might get into a conflict with people on the street or on social media. If you were in a position of some well-known public figure, you might face attempts of cancelation in the form of petitions of citizens or maybe cancelation of sponsorship by companies that would not want to associate themselves with your opinion since they are not in sync with what the population believes.
But this is not done by the state. Police would not react at all. Only way in which you might be criminally charged is if you actually commit the crime of "prompting violence towards some group of people based on ethnicity, religion and such". If you said that Ukrainians are the bad ones and should be all killed, that would be a crime. But it would also be a crime if you said that about Russians.
There was a case of school teacher that said to her pupils that there is no war in Ukraine, nothing is happening there and it is all propaganda. She was dismissed by the school and charged with crime of denying genocide. But the court acquainted her, since her deeds did not encapsulated the nature of the crime, which I agree with. I do not see genocide happening in Ukraine, only aggressive war of conquest.
But there are no political prisoners, no politicians of opposition parties in jail, no killed or imprisoned journalists and such. The state respects freedom of speech and you will get due process in front of the court. To compare that with the Russian situation is just insane, sorry.
I am all for a good debate, but if you start such a debate by making comparisons like that, it is very hard to take your accusations of my un-objectivity seriously (sure, I am definitely not completely objective, I support Ukraine in this conflict), since you obviously are also heavily biased in this matter.
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The incarceration statistic is also manipulative, though, since the USA also has a much higher violent crime rate than the majority of the industrialized world. If you calibrate the incarceration for the number of murders, the discrepancy between the U.S. and other developed countries is much less dramatic. For every person who is a murder victim in the United States, the number of people incarcerated is 127. Switzerland has a ratio of 124-to-1: America's incarceration rate is 8.6 times as high as Switzerland's—but America's murder rate is 8.4 times as high. Other countries in which the prison population is less than 127 times as high as the number of murder victims include the United Kingdom (117), France (99), Germany (74), and Canada (59), while those with a higher prisoner-to-murder-victim ratio than the U.S. include Japan (142), Italy (160), Australia (188), and New Zealand (222).
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@teaCupkk It is not the same, certain rights are missing from it (financial and inheritance related stuff). Now the progressives are hell bent to push through full-scale marriage and the other side wants to compromise, equlize all the rights except those related to child-rearing and have different name for it, for example partnership. There are two reasons why the word marriage is so important for progressives. There is the huge symbolic value, they won't be able to really present and perceive it as their victory unless thes have full-marriage. Thes love to talk about human rights, but they also want to defeat the enemy side very much. And second, it would also mean adoption, since the law that regulates adoptions gives the right to adopt to married couples (the lawmakers did not consider gay marriage at the time). And as was outlined above by Veronika, it has ethymological implications in the Czech language, aw well as in other Slavic languages. The word for marriage is manželství, which is from proto-slavic words for man and woman. So it just sounds strange to people, stranger than in English where marriage does not have this connotation.
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I think that you kind of missed the point. The example of same sex marriage was primarily used to illustrate the stupid kind of argumentation that certain people use. Creating pressure by saying that on the issue of same-sex marriage we are deciding if we want to ally ourselves with Russia (state that most people understandably do not see in a positive way) or with the wealthy, democratic, developed West, is misguiding and manipulative. Gay marriage has nothing to do with foreign policy and geopolitical positioning. I could say that by not having same-sex marriage we our allying ourselves with Italy, Poland, Japan or South Korea, developed democratic countries. And by having same-sex marriage we are allying ourselves with South Africa and Colombia. It is like being a child saying that I need new iPhone or something and then arguing that the reason why i need it is that other kids have it too instead of talking about the merit of the thing itself. And gay marriage has valid arguments going for it. This just isn't one of them.
"From the other comments on the "decaying progressive West," it is possible to deduce your political view, which is not neutral. That would be fair if stated and not falsely hidden."
I do not really get this point, I am not hiding anything. My political leanings are clearly deducible or openly stated in my videos and I am not trying to play some neutrality card, which is mostly non-existent anyway, since almost anyone who is invested in politics and societal topics has some personal values and agendas.
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I will try to explain my stance on the issue of gay-marriage, since it is rather complex, and there are several ways to look at it. I am not some hard-core anti-gay-marriage activist, and I have thought about the issue quite a lot. I definitely not think that being gay is not correct.
So, to begin with, there are two ways to view marriage as an institution. First, it is a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship between two people who love each other and want to live with each other. Since it is their private matter, they should be allowed in a liberal society. That is currently prevalent in the West. The second is that marriage is the foundational bedrock of any functioning society, and it has one principal purpose - to create a fitting environment for conceiving and raising children. Now under this second view, it can, by logic, be only allowed for heterosexual couples since only they can biologically conceive. Sure, you might argue that heterosexual couples that can not or do not want to have children can also get married, and that is true. Still, in principle, heterosexual couples can create children while homosexual couples can not. Now with the first definition, the problem is that if marriage is understood as a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship of people that love each other and want to live with each other, there are not many arguments to be made against, for example, legalization of polygamy, since why could not more than two people that love each other and live with each other also get this recognition and get married? They are not bothering anyone; it is their private matter. But monogamy is one of the foundations of the success of Western civilization (WEIRDest people in the world - great book about the topic by Joseph Heinrich). So I consider it quite dangerous to tinker with marriage as an institution too much since we usually do not think about the possible long-term consequences of such changes; we are just riding on a wave of progress that feels good.
The second point is that the situation is specific in the Czech Republic for two reasons. First is that the word for marriage in Czech is different, it is manželství, and it comes from the proto-Slavic word for man and woman. So it is baked into the word's etymology, which is different in English. Now there is currently a debate about the subject in the Czech parliament; one side wants to legalize gay marriage, other want to have a different name for the institution but otherwise equalize all the rights connected to it (taxes, bureaucratic stuff, common property, heritage, etc.) except for the rights related to raising children (I support this), third side wants to put into the constitution that marriage has to be between man and woman. Now the situation is complicated because if the law calls it marriage, it automatically means that the couples will have the right to adoption since the law about adoption just gives the right to any married couple (the lawmakers did not think about this at the time). But that is an entirely separate issue since the people that want to enact gay marriage constantly repeat that it is just between the two people and will not affect anyone (as you said). Still, they want to push two things at once - marriage and adoption. But with adoption, it is different since that is not about the two people getting married, which arguably really does not affect anyone else, but mainly about the child. Now you might say that being raised by a gay couple is better than an orphanage, and I agree with that. The problem is that in the Czech Republic, the demand for children to adopt far outstrips the supply since many couples can not have children. While orphanages are full, a substantial portion of the children in them is either gypsy, disabled or often both. And, to be frank, most couples want, let's be real, white and healthy baby. So gay couples really could not adopt a baby from an orphanage since there will always be a huge number of heterosexual couples that want to adopt. So the adoption of the children often revolves around surrogate motherhood, which is problematic in many ways since it is often done by very poor mothers, often of migration background, and opens up a lot of additional ethical themes. It might be good to regulate it somehow, but it needs a separate societal debate. That is why I support the proposal to equalize all the rights except adoption and use a different name for this legal relationship. But the proponents, of course, wildly disagree since they also want the adoption, and the word marriage has great symbolic value for them.
Then there are two additional things to mention. First is the slippery slope argument. There is a machine of nonprofits, media, and various pressure organizations, often financed by the EU or some liberal think tanks, standing behind the relentless campaign for same-sex marriage. That is, of course, fine; people are free to push their ideas. But when the goal is reached, this machine won't stop. The people are ideologically driven to implement more concepts known from the West, and it is also a profitable business for many people. Thus, as soon as the gay-marriage is legalized, some new goal will be immediately established and pursued with the same fervor, rhetoric, and media pressure. This might sound cynical, but I see this issue as a kind of dam holding other, much more damaging progressive ideas at bay for the moment.
And finally, the way in which the proponents of gay marriage are leading the campaign is repulsive to me. The defenders of the "traditional" marriage, often members of the Christian conservative right, are relentlessly attacked and mocked by the media as extremists, far-right, ultraconservatives, and bigots; they are often accused of being connected to Russia (which they are not, and the court proved it). I see it as two legitimate political positions being discussed, both of them with valid arguments to be made for them. But by a very large portion of the media landscape, one of the positions is seen as a medieval barbarity and the other as the default view to have if you want to be a part of a decent society. That pisses me off. Have the decency to at least think about the other side's arguments; they are not some evil clerical demons; they just think about the world in a different, more continual way. Their argumentation is more profound, I would say.
And the argumentation, "Are we with Russia, or are we with the West?" would be idiotic, even if I would completely agree with gay marriage.
Sorry for the length; I wanted to clarify my position.
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It is a rather complex issue, but from a wide range of psychological researches, it has been proven that the level of exposure to the efforts of early western church (circa 500-1000 AD) to break the kinship structures had a profound effect on creation of impersonal trust (since in kin-based systems you learn to trust your extended family or a clan, but not strangers), increase opposition to authority (since you are not subordinated to the family patriarch), increases individualism (since you are not acting as a member of a collective clan, but an individual), voluntary association (when clan structures are broken down, people start to associate in guilds, councils, Orders etc.), modern markets creation (when you have to interact with non-kin strangers, norms to regulate trade and simmilar conduct need to be created) and many other aspects of what sow the seeds of creating modern west. These efforts were mostly successful in the western Europe, which then became adherent of western chruch after the Schizm. There is a fascinated book about this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WEIRDest_People_in_the_World
But that is not to say that there can not be democracy elsewhere or that all the countries perceived today as western were exposed to this destruction of clan-based structures. For example in Finland, kinship structures remained very strong. But I believe that relatively few coutries are really antropologically western, mainly in northwestern Europe. Even the Visegrad countries are, in my opinion, mostly westernised, but the values ingrained in the Western core are not really deeply rooted in (more than in Orthodox countries though. Same goes for regions as Southern Italy or Southern Spain or Ireland.
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It is a rather complex issue, but from a wide range of psychological researches, it has been proven that the level of exposure to the efforts of early western church (circa 500-1000 AD) to break the kinship structures had a profound effect on creation of impersonal trust (since in kin-based systems you learn to trust your extended family or a clan, but not strangers), increase opposition to authority (since you are not subordinated to the family patriarch), increases individualism (since you are not acting as a member of a collective clan, but an individual), voluntary association (when clan structures are broken down, people start to associate in guilds, councils, Orders etc.), modern markets creation (when you have to interact with non-kin strangers, norms to regulate trade and simmilar conduct need to be created) and many other aspects of what sow the seeds of creating modern west. These efforts were mostly successful in the western Europe, which then became adherent of western chruch after the Schizm. There is a fascinated book about this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WEIRDest_People_in_the_World
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Fair enough. I now kind of regret that I used the Kyle Rittenhouse example in connection with the word vigilante, since it made people angry and I agree that he does not really fit the term very well and he was defending himself. I will address this in the next part of the video. But on the other hand, if what you are saying is true and the law did nothing, is it not the perfect example of the imperfect monopoly on legitimate violence by the state? Since one would just expect that police won't let rioters or protesters demolish private or public property and the fact that armed citizens have to do it instead is very strange in itself. Why did the law do nothing?
And I did not mean it at all as a demeaning "euro" comment about the US. I am also very annoyed by such comments, since they often come from a place of jealousy and envy. But the fact that USA are really the only wealthy developed country in the world where such things happen is just a descriptive truism. I am not judging it, but you won't see anything similar in Europe, developed East Asia, Singapore, Australia, rich Arab gulf states, nowhere. So I thought it was a good example of American uniqueness.
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I agree that Youtube comments are not a good platform for this. I have already answered several people in regards to the issue of gay-marriage, so I will copy paste that here so you can understand my view at least on one of these issues.
"I will try to explain my stance on the issue of gay-marriage, since it is rather complex, and there are several ways to look at it. I am not some hard-core anti-gay-marriage activist, and I have thought about the issue quite a lot.
So, to begin with, there are two ways to view marriage as an institution. First, it is a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship between two people who love each other and want to live with each other. Since it is their private matter, they should be allowed in a liberal society. That is currently prevalent in the West. The second is that marriage is the foundational bedrock of any functioning society, and it has one principal purpose - to create a fitting environment for conceiving and raising children. Now under this second view, it can, by logic, be only allowed for heterosexual couples since only they can biologically conceive. Sure, you might argue that heterosexual couples that can not or do not want to have children can also get married, and that is true. Still, in principle, heterosexual couples can create children while homosexual couples can not. Now with the first definition, the problem is that if marriage is understood as a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship of people that love each other and want to live with each other, there are not many arguments to be made against, for example, legalization of polygamy, since why could not more than two people that love each other and live with each other also get this recognition and get married? They are not bothering anyone; it is their private matter. But monogamy is one of the foundations of the success of Western civilization (WEIRDest people in the world - great book about the topic by Joseph Heinrich). So I consider it quite dangerous to tinker with marriage as an institution too much since we usually do not think about the possible long-term consequences of such changes; we are just riding on a wave of progress that feels good.
The second point is that the situation is specific in the Czech Republic for two reasons. First is that the word for marriage in Czech is different, it is manželství, and it comes from the proto-Slavic word for man and woman. So it is baked into the word's etymology, which is different in English. Now there is currently a debate about the subject in the Czech parliament; one side wants to legalize gay marriage, other want to have a different name for the institution but otherwise equalize all the rights connected to it (taxes, bureaucratic stuff, common property, heritage, etc.) except for the rights related to raising children (I support this), third side wants to put into the constitution that marriage has to be between man and woman. Now the situation is complicated because if the law calls it marriage, it automatically means that the couples will have the right to adoption since the law about adoption just gives the right to any married couple (the lawmakers did not think about this at the time). But that is an entirely separate issue since the people that want to enact gay marriage constantly repeat that it is just between the two people and will not affect anyone (as you said). Still, they want to push two things at once - marriage and adoption. But with adoption, it is different since that is not about the two people getting married, which arguably really does not affect anyone else, but mainly about the child. Now you might say that being raised by a gay couple is better than an orphanage, and I agree with that. The problem is that in the Czech Republic, the demand for children to adopt far outstrips the supply since many couples can not have children. While orphanages are full, a substantial portion of the children in them is either gypsy, disabled or often both. And, to be frank, most couples want, let's be real, white and healthy baby. So gay couples really could not adopt a baby from an orphanage since there will always be a huge number of heterosexual couples that want to adopt. So the adoption of the children often revolves around surrogate motherhood, which is problematic in many ways since it is often done by very poor mothers, often of migration background, and opens up a lot of additional ethical themes. It might be good to regulate it somehow, but it needs a separate societal debate. That is why I support the proposal to equalize all the rights except adoption and use a different name for this legal relationship. But the proponents, of course, wildly disagree since they also want the adoption, and the word marriage has great symbolic value for them.
Then there are two additional things to mention. First is the slippery slope argument. There is a machine of nonprofits, media, and various pressure organizations, often financed by the EU or some liberal think tanks, standing behind the relentless campaign for same-sex marriage. That is, of course, fine; people are free to push their ideas. But when the goal is reached, this machine won't stop. The people are ideologically driven to implement more concepts known from the West, and it is also a profitable business for many people. Thus, as soon as the gay-marriage is legalized, some new goal will be immediately established and pursued with the same fervor, rhetoric, and media pressure. This might sound cynical, but I see this issue as a kind of dam holding other, much more damaging progressive ideas at bay for the moment.
And finally, the way in which the proponents of gay marriage are leading the campaign is repulsive to me. The defenders of the "traditional" marriage, often members of the Christian conservative right, are relentlessly attacked and mocked by the media as extremists, far-right, ultraconservatives, and bigots; they are often accused of being connected to Russia (which they are not, and the court proved it). I see it as two legitimate political positions being discussed, both of them with valid arguments to be made for them. But by a very large portion of the media landscape, one of the positions is seen as a medieval barbarity and the other as the default view to have if you want to be a part of a decent society. That pisses me off. Have the decency to at least think about the other side's arguments; they are not some evil clerical demons; they just think about the world in a different, more continual way. Their argumentation is more profound, I would say.
And the argumentation, "Are we with Russia, or are we with the West?" would be idiotic, even if I would completely agree with gay marriage.
Sorry for the length; I wanted to clarify my position."
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I will copy here an answer from another comment in which I try to explain my stance on gay-marriage:
"I will try to explain my stance on the issue of gay-marriage, since it is rather complex, and there are several ways to look at it. I am not some hard-core anti-gay-marriage activist, and I have thought about the issue quite a lot.
So, to begin with, there are two ways to view marriage as an institution. First, it is a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship between two people who love each other and want to live with each other. Since it is their private matter, they should be allowed in a liberal society. That is currently prevalent in the West. The second is that marriage is the foundational bedrock of any functioning society, and it has one principal purpose - to create a fitting environment for conceiving and raising children. Now under this second view, it can, by logic, be only allowed for heterosexual couples since only they can biologically conceive. Sure, you might argue that heterosexual couples that can not or do not want to have children can also get married, and that is true. Still, in principle, heterosexual couples can create children while homosexual couples can not. Now with the first definition, the problem is that if marriage is understood as a form of ritual and legal recognition of the relationship of people that love each other and want to live with each other, there are not many arguments to be made against, for example, legalization of polygamy, since why could not more than two people that love each other and live with each other also get this recognition and get married? They are not bothering anyone; it is their private matter. But monogamy is one of the foundations of the success of Western civilization (WEIRDest people in the world - great book about the topic by Joseph Heinrich). So I consider it quite dangerous to tinker with marriage as an institution too much since we usually do not think about the possible long-term consequences of such changes; we are just riding on a wave of progress that feels good.
The second point is that the situation is specific in the Czech Republic for two reasons. First is that the word for marriage in Czech is different, it is manželství, and it comes from the proto-Slavic word for man and woman. So it is baked into the word's etymology, which is different in English. Now there is currently a debate about the subject in the Czech parliament; one side wants to legalize gay marriage, other want to have a different name for the institution but otherwise equalize all the rights connected to it (taxes, bureaucratic stuff, common property, heritage, etc.) except for the rights related to raising children (I support this), third side wants to put into the constitution that marriage has to be between man and woman. Now the situation is complicated because if the law calls it marriage, it automatically means that the couples will have the right to adoption since the law about adoption just gives the right to any married couple (the lawmakers did not think about this at the time). But that is an entirely separate issue since the people that want to enact gay marriage constantly repeat that it is just between the two people and will not affect anyone (as you said). Still, they want to push two things at once - marriage and adoption. But with adoption, it is different since that is not about the two people getting married, which arguably really does not affect anyone else, but mainly about the child. Now you might say that being raised by a gay couple is better than an orphanage, and I agree with that. The problem is that in the Czech Republic, the demand for children to adopt far outstrips the supply since many couples can not have children. While orphanages are full, a substantial portion of the children in them is either gypsy, disabled or often both. And, to be frank, most couples want, let's be real, white and healthy baby. So gay couples really could not adopt a baby from an orphanage since there will always be a huge number of heterosexual couples that want to adopt. So the adoption of the children often revolves around surrogate motherhood, which is problematic in many ways since it is often done by very poor mothers, often of migration background, and opens up a lot of additional ethical themes. It might be good to regulate it somehow, but it needs a separate societal debate. That is why I support the proposal to equalize all the rights except adoption and use a different name for this legal relationship. But the proponents, of course, wildly disagree since they also want the adoption, and the word marriage has great symbolic value for them.
Then there are two additional things to mention. First is the slippery slope argument. There is a machine of nonprofits, media, and various pressure organizations, often financed by the EU or some liberal think tanks, standing behind the relentless campaign for same-sex marriage. That is, of course, fine; people are free to push their ideas. But when the goal is reached, this machine won't stop. The people are ideologically driven to implement more concepts known from the West, and it is also a profitable business for many people. Thus, as soon as the gay-marriage is legalized, some new goal will be immediately established and pursued with the same fervor, rhetoric, and media pressure. This might sound cynical, but I see this issue as a kind of dam holding other, much more damaging progressive ideas at bay for the moment.
And finally, the way in which the proponents of gay marriage are leading the campaign is repulsive to me. The defenders of the "traditional" marriage, often members of the Christian conservative right, are relentlessly attacked and mocked by the media as extremists, far-right, ultraconservatives, and bigots; they are often accused of being connected to Russia (which they are not, and the court proved it). I see it as two legitimate political positions being discussed, both of them with valid arguments to be made for them. But by a very large portion of the media landscape, one of the positions is seen as a medieval barbarity and the other as the default view to have if you want to be a part of a decent society. That pisses me off. Have the decency to at least think about the other side's arguments; they are not some evil clerical demons; they just think about the world in a different, more continual way. Their argumentation is more profound, I would say.
And the argumentation, "Are we with Russia, or are we with the West?" would be idiotic, even if I would completely agree with gay marriage.
Sorry for the length; I wanted to clarify my position."
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/10/14/russia-minorities-putin-partial-mobilization/
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/27/ethnic-minorities-hit-hardest-by-russias-mobilization-activists-say-a78879
https://www.ft.com/content/ae06c532-e1ff-488a-b77c-cb93422d3dd7
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-mobilization-ethnic-minorities-buryat-1.6605501
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/10/25/russia-putin-is-using-ethnic-minorities-to-fight-in-ukraine
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/23/russia-mobilization-minorities-ukraine-war/
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ethnic-minorities-independence-ukraine-war/32210542.html
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220930-danger-to-the-regime-russia-faces-ethnic-minority-anti-mobilisation-protests
https://www.molfar.global/en-blog/national-minorities-of-russia
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-18
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-04/vladimir-putin-mobilisation-targeting-ethnic-minorites/101486642
Sure, you could say that it is all just western propaganda. But it is largely backed up by the voices of the minority leaders from the regions, for example Tuva.
As for the comment about the value of human life, people (subjects, comrades, citizens) living in different variations of Russian state have always been treated with much less regard for their lives than in the west. When you take this into account, you could even probably say that Russian living in Germany or the US, with citizenship, is treated better than Russian living in Russia, especially where basic citizen rights are considered (culturally, it might be different).
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It is not about the Orthodox church not being suitable for democracy or the western church being fit for it as such.
It is a rather complex issue, but from a wide range of psychological researches, it has been proven that the level of exposure to the efforts of early western church (circa 500-1000 AD) to break the kinship structures had a profound effect on creation of impersonal trust (since in kin-based systems you learn to trust your extended family or a clan, but not strangers), increase opposition to authority (since you are not subordinated to the family patriarch), increases individualism (since you are not acting as a member of a collective clan, but an individual), voluntary association (when clan structures are broken down, people start to associate in guilds, councils, Orders etc.), modern markets creation (when you have to interact with non-kin strangers, norms to regulate trade and simmilar conduct need to be created) and many other aspects of what sow the seeds of creating modern west. These efforts were mostly successful in the western Europe, which then became adherent of western chruch after the Schizm. There is a fascinated book about this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WEIRDest_People_in_the_World
But that is not to say that there can not be democracy elsewhere or that all the countries perceived today as western were exposed to this destruction of clan-based structures. For example in Finland, kinship structures remained very strong. But I believe that relatively few coutries are really antropologically western and suited for democracy, mainly in northwestern Europe and the Anglosphere. Even the Visegrad countries are, in my opinion, mostly westernised, but the values ingrained in the Western core are not really deeply rooted in (more than in Orthodox countries though. Same goes for regions as Southern Italy or Southern Spain or Ireland.
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I don't see it this way. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with anthropological and psycho-cultural historical reasons. Democracy is a highly peculiar system developed in particular circumstances of the Western European social environment. There are deep psychological reasons why democracy has organically grown in North-western Europe. Those historical processes can not be supplemented by a couple of years or decades of institution building. We now live in a world where democracy is somewhat of a prerequisite for belonging to the Western civilizational and economic system, which is why many countries have become democratic. Still, very few will remain democratic after this period ends, and democracy won't be culturally required to join the international US-led system. That includes almost all of the countries that became democratic in the period after WWII (Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Central, and Eastern Europe, Southern Europe, and likely even Germany and Austria). Countries that were democratic before are mostly anthropologically fit for democracy and will likely remain democratic in the long run (Anglosphere, France, Netherlands, Scandinavia, and such.). The biggest misconception is that democracy universally equals good. That is why people accuse me of racism or prejudice when I mention that Muslim nations are mostly not a good fit for democracy (there is variation even among Muslim countries). But I do not see it that way at all. Democracy is not some god-given universal good. It is an excellent system for populations that are fit for it in anthropological and psycho-cultural ways. For many countries, attempting to democratize them was very harmful (Iraq, Afghanistan, and others). In the history of humankind, big societies (states, empires, etc.) run democratically are and will remain a tiny minority in the long run.
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Thank you for this insight, I will try to asnwer at least partially.
GDP per capita is not a perfect metric, but you have to use some metric to compare countries and I do not know if there is a more objective one, likely not.
Under socialism, everything slowly eroded and rotted. I truly believe that the Churchill´s bonmot "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." is the simplest and most accurate explanation of the issue. While there was a betterment of the living standards of the poorest classes in the first decades of communism (especially in the countries where massive industrialisation of former agrarian societies took place) when the massive redistribution of wealth from the wealthier to the poorer took place, after the best and brightest loose the material incentive to work hard and be innovative, everythings just slowly start to slack and decay. You then slowly lost the base from which to extract the wealth to redistribute. In Czechoslovakia, it was a clear line of decline of the innovative potential and technological advancement of the industry. So, in socialism, you might get a doctor in every village, but his equipment, level of education, motivaton and overall standards will just inevitably decay lower and lower as the socialism continues.
The shock therapy was IMO necessary because of one main reason. The transition to capitalism was inevitably going to bring a period of inconvenience for most people. If you would slowly transition, the people would very soon started to vote for rolling back of the measures, since they would feel the bite of the capitalism´s more painful aspects. But countries that choose this path (Romania, Bulgaria) mostly just wasted a decade economically before getting on a growth path.
Corruption is an issue and it will remain one, but is is getting better.
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