Comments by "Shakey" (@shakey3306) on "Whatifalthist"
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I can understand your view, but see, in the beginning it seems you’re asking, if morality exists and is inherent then why evil exists? What i think is that there’s a margin of error and a deviation level that changes things, genetic diseases are a form of this, it can be established that the universal moral is to preserve life and creates life, that why every species adapt to survive, but others die too, because nature doesn’t work in a absolute level of: if the thing is to preserve life and live than nothing shall ever die, that doesn’t work. But the reason why something inherently evil can be practiced is because it has deviated, and that margin of error in action i think is caused by our level of consciousness where animals behave much more accordingly and similarly and instinctively than we do, so when we got the ability to be reasonable, we also got the ability to not be, and so is with good and evil, what is reasonable cannot be evil, and so evil is ignorance and causes something bad, example of the roman decadence, their morals were loose and it resulted in the fall of the empire. Morals don’t really need to be taught, but experienced, once you see a horrendous act you practically knows it is evil, like rape, so when we try to teach morality we basically says the politically correct that killing is wrong, but morality is different from political correctness, so the dead animals in the fridge becomes a taboo, most people of today wouldn’t be able kill an animal themselves to eat, once buying is convenient the can’t experience death and understand it. What seemed strange to me is that people tried to make the holocaust the most horrific thing in history but I couldn’t feel that compassion, they were posing a dramatic view of killing the jews is inherently evil but it felt like nothing i was even trying to contradict it, but if i think differently and try to imagine what it would be like if i was there, even not as a jew, i’m sure that would be horrible and i would strongly oppose it, even the things that are naturally absolute doesn’t mean we are born knowing them.
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@sammalama actually most animals don’t rape, the only time i saw it is with male orangutans who doesn’t have a particular characteristic in the face which females prefer, so they end up raping as the only form of passing their genes, that’s what i said about the universal moral, not entity of preserving life, i don’t things are evil because I don’t like or they cause discomfort to others, it happens that undesirable things are often not relevant for preserving life, rape is beyond discomfort btw, but discipline causes discomfort, it isn’t evil, the world has unnecessary and necessary suffering, unnecessary suffering has no purpose, it is useless and it cripples, whereas necessary suffering preserves life through adversity. The point is that there’s for some reason, a universal law of preserving and creating life, through adaptation and evolution, that’s darwinism, do you have any argument against that? Now I don’t think things in the universe are simply(separate) things because in your to something be something the way it is like a planet round, it is necessary something causing it even if not a reason, that’s gravity, gravity is an universal law, and why? The thing is that based on causality we can tell things separate from each other in patterns, like the yin yang your avatar says: everything has it’s opposite, the active and the passive, the male and female, the top and bottom, strong and weak, light and darkness, cold and warmth, good and evil. The duality and patterns of the universe are so obvious that we can put into organised mathematics, and you can very much say that we created math, variables, fractions, the numbers are all humanmade, the way we measure temperature in F or C, but these are simply representations of the universe, a way of expressing the truth, what is inherently there. At the moment my definition of evil is ignorance, it seems that all evil begins with ignorance in one way or another, you might be causing evil not really knowing you’re causing it, and that’s ignorance, or you might know you’re doing evil but you don’t care, that is, you ignore, you ignore others feelings for example, like a rapist they don’t care about the victim only about themselves, that’s ignorance.
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Are you brazilian? Because that makes no sense, first rome was not dysfunctional, it was pretty functional and fell slowly, there were even periods, It’s exactly like the US, nothing like brazil, brazil is just a forever developing country, it has never even risen, it really can’t fall, brazil is like someone with lung cancer in a smoke cloud, they will cough forever, and any modern ideology that characterises the decadence is just things inherited and taken from the us as role model, what you said doesn’t make sense to me
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