Comments by "Nigel Johnson" (@nigeljohnson9820) on "Carles Puigdemont vows to keep fighting after MEPs vote to lift his immunity" video.

Another example of EU oppression.
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ghij347dereg only the mentally deluded would think it not to be an oppressor. The prisoner does not know they are in prison until they test the bars.
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M A N you do realise you have just proved my point. Locking him up will not stop the region seeking its freedom from Spain. His crime was asking them the question.
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M A N such action might risk a civil war. True democratic government can only be by consent, anything else is dictatorship. Not really surprised given Spain's fascist history. It is said you can take a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink. Oppression just results in instability, as stress builds explosive pressure. The only the state can survive is to constantly increase oppression to keep the lid on opposition. It is why all empires ultimately fail. It will happen in Russian, China, and in the EU if it follows its current path. Democracy is a fragile thing, it can be lose with a cross on a ballot paper, invariably it is regained at the barrel of a gun.
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M A N you are deluded if you think that a states constitution territorial border is inviolate. That are constructions agreed by the citizens. If sufficient numbers object,they can be changed. If not, civil war is the result. These are not physical laws of nature, they are man made, and as such open to change. The military can try an impose its will, this is what is happening in Myanmar at the moment, but given sufficient opposition it will fail. If the people decide they will refuse to work, the economy collapses and the state control breaks down, as does the rule of law. It's all a question of numbers. You can imprison an individual, not so easy imprisoning a whole region, ask the Chinese. Large oppressive empires take a long time to fall, but history shows they all do in the end, with no exception. The Spanish government would be mistaken to attempt to apply military pressure, as that is the tried and tested route to destruction, a slippery slope, that only gets steeper the further along the path the government travels. As I said, government's can only rule by consent.
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M A N you have just taken the first step on that slope I was talking about. I suggest you discuss the matter with the people of Syria, before you decide you are ready for what might come. It was a pyrrhic victory for Syria's dictator Assad, he now presides over a rubble heap, and must do as he is told by the Russians.
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M A N not my fault if you are blind to the comparisons, that does not make them any less valid. Why is is so much of a stretch to compare the situation to that of Syria. Application of military force could easily go the same way, with war planes bombing the Catalan region. That has started to happen in Myanmar, and did happen as Syria descended into civil war. Do you think the Europe is immune to such wars, remember Bosnia.
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M A N because, if they have sufficient backing by the people of the region, it is the law that is wrong. If the region becomes independent, Spanish law no longer applies. The Chinese have just introduced laws in Hongkong which suppress opposition, t does not make the law right. Such laws can trigger revolution, consider the Boston Tea Party. By definition the law is only enforceable if it is supported by the majority. In this case, the regional majority.
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M A N that will be a civil war then.
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M A N Two problems with that: First you will be using the military against the Spanish people, but then you may not be considering those from the region's seeking independence as Spanish. Second, the argument that unemployment was a reason to "flex military muscles" was famously used by Adolf Hitler, not exactly someone to emulate.
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M A N I did not play the Hitler card, as you put it, I made a comparison with the rise in fascism in Germany and it's connection to unemployment and depression. Again it is interesting that you are blaming your woes on foreigners, the Germans did the same. But you have moved away from the fact regions of Spain want independence from Spain. It is something I will have cause to remind you of in future, as you will see. You are incensed that the regions have the temerity to demand independence, but if they have a sufficient number of citizens to form a self sustaining country of their own, there is no reason why they should not. "Spain" does not own the land,the people that occupy it do. Over the last few posts, you have redirected your anger on foreigners, is that because the idea of a civil war is not palatable? It is not foreigners who are seeking independence, it is Spanish citizens who no longer want to be controlled by the Spanish establishment. They do not identify as Spanish and have no loyality to the state.
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