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The answer
They aren't
The picture is of Slava class cruiser which carries just 16 P-1000s for Anti-ship with the remaining missiles for self defense
The US Ticonderoga-class cruiser has 122 VLS for 122 missiles for AAW, BMD, ASW, ASuW, and Land attack. More to point, weapons like the ESSM can quad packed in one VLS cell. The Ticos also have space for 8 container launched missiles which can Harpoon or LRASM. The newer models of Harpoon and the newer LRASM can attack both ships and land targets. While the P-1000 is powerful missile, it cant be used for anything beyond anti shipping
The SM2 can attack both ships and aircraft, the SM-6 is designed for AAW, BMD, ASuW, and Land attack. and the TLAM can attack both ships and land targets
In the end US ships have flexibility whereas Russia ships are one trick ponies
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While Ukraine's russian aircraft had to be modded for JDAMs and AGM-88s, the F-16 can use them without mod
More the point, the F-16 can fully use western weapons like JDAM, PAVEWAY, MAVERICK,, HARPOON, CBU-87s , AGM-88s but most importantly, it can use AIM-9s, 7s and 120s
PAVEWAYs and MAVERICks are immune to jamming
HARPOON allows for Ukrainie's air force to engage Russian ships at sea but most important is that AIM-7s, AIM-9s and AIM-120s will allow Ukraine to actual in air to air combat with modern weapons and radar
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No , Russia's worst nightmare
The Ukrainian air force has had limited effect due to limited capabilities of their aircraft
While Ukraine's russian aircraft had to be modded for JDAMs and AGM-88s, the F-16 can use them without mod
More the point, the F-16 can fully use western weapons like JDAM, PAVEWAY, MAVERICK,, HARPOON, CBU-87s , AGM-88s but most importantly, it can use AIM-9s, 7s and 120s
Ukraine has limited simple of russian weapons for its aircraft while the F-16s can draw substantially from western countries
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@canihazburgers @ Compare to US ships , UK are relatively weak. For starters, the US takes carrier defense very seriously. US CVN and LHD/A are layered with RIM-7s, RIM-116s , RIM-162 and CIWS. The UK carriers only have CIWS and thats it. They are completely reliant on the type 45 for protection. The benefit of CATOBAR is that CVNs can launch heavier planes. This allows CVNS to operate planes like the E-2 for AWACS whereas the UK uses the Merlin crownest. The E-2 large size allows it to pack a far more advanced sensor suite than the Merlin. Now the F-35B has huge advances on CATOBAR but in the end still lags behind in payload. The Type-45 destroyers are advanced floating sam sites. The claim was made that Sea viper is more advanced than US AEGIS. The problem is that they are apples and oranges. The US aegis is designed for full spectrum combat, air,land, sea, underwater and space whereas Sea Viper is strictly anti air. The Aegis can engage targets on land with TLAM, subs with ASROC, aircraft with SM2/3 ,pace targets with SM-3s and ships with Harpoons. The newly minted Cooperative Engagement Capability allows both ship and planes to act as spotter and shooter. The Type 45 use the Aster missile which tops at 120km. The US SM-6 is rated excess of 240km. side note , the SM-6 is anti air, ship, land and ballistic all rolled into one missile.
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@BeatsCraftn
Compared to China and Russia , the US is decades ahead.
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the USN was just delivered DDG-119 Sept 2020, the PLAN completed its Type-055 class Aug 2020. Russia last destroyer was delivered Jan 1999 and its Lider class is ???
Both the USN and PLAN are fielding newly built major surface combatants whereas Russia is just pumping out frigates
Apparently you forgot the fact the Russia did a great of its ship building in the Ukraine. Since they parted ways, Russia has had to build new ships yards from scratch so it start producing major surface combatants again
As far as the Abrams goes,
The US has no need to build a new tank. When the cold war ended, the US got a look at Russia T-72s with Kontkat-5 ERA from former East Germany and tested out the M829A1 which was ineffective. They also got a look at T-80 that UK had gotten their hands on also equipped with Kontkat-5. So they developed the newer M829A2 counter Kontakt-5. Additionally the T-72 and T-80 both used 2A46 125 mm gun which they tested against Abrams armor. In 2003, the US once again got their hands on T-80s.
This time 4 T-80UD equipped with the latest Kontakt, Shtora-1 and 125mm ammunition.This lead to the developed of the M829A3.
Russia built the T-90 but the US had compromised so much of the T-90s technology already, hence why the T-14 is radically different from the T-90,80 and 72.
Why would the US need to build a new tank when they have already compromised the T-90,80 and 72s armor , defensive suites and weapons
Thats kinda pointless.
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@BravoCheesecake
Incorrect
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The book said you could put 13 troops in there. I never saw 13 Americans in a Huey," says Harry Kernahan, who flew the UH-1D "Slick", a utility version without weapons pods, in the central highlands of South Vietnam from 1969 to 1970. "It just wouldn’t get off the ground."
"I would imagine we often flew those things over max gross weight," he adds
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Out of necessity, pilots became experts at using unorthodox methods to coax overweight Hueys off the ground, including an odd-to-see technique where a pilot would bounce the helicopter down the runway on its skids until it got enough speed to gain translational lift and climb aloft. "People came up with solutions to a lot of different problems that weren't in the book," Kernahan says
As I stated before
The UH-1H only had 1100 shp as you stated allowed it hold up to 10 troops sometimes
The V-280 10,000- 14,000 shp allows to consistently carry heavy load without any adverse effects as it literally has power to spare
secondly , those troops in Vietnam carried very little gear most of time ,
Again with V-280, they can carry all their gear and again wouldnt affect the V-280
hat in a future conflict in a jungle environment, you would want to land more helicopters in a tighter space- False
That's arm charm statement
This is modern warfare
We are not going to put troops in a jungle when MQ-9 can easily spot and destroy targets
The factor you dont understand was boots on the ground was the only way to find enemy back then
Today, there a dozens of ways dont' involve boots on ground
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That would be false
First, the USAF air superiority aircraft are the F-15C and F-22A. The USAF has too few F-22s and the F-15C are very old. There is no way to increase the F-22s but they can increase their F-15s number. Secondly the USAF would not like to replace its F-15s with F-35s. First, the F-15C range is over 1000 miles and get be increased with CFTs to over 1300 miles. The F-35 range is just 660 miles. The F-15 can loiter for hours which is ideal for ANG mission. For the ANG mission, the F-35 stealth is not relevant.
The F-35 has AESA as the F-15EX. The F-35 has EOTS/IRST , again so does the F-15EX. Advanced data links and comms. Again as does the F-35
The F-35 DAS and Stealth are the only features that F-15EX does not have
More to the point, the F-15EX can equipped with Legion, Sniper and Dragon pods without impacting the F-15EX weapons carriage.
Now as far as the single and two seater
Again you have no glue. While most the F-15Xs can be single seaters, there are several advantages to two seaters
First is training. makes training that much easier
Secondly in combat, while the single seaters are spread. The 2 seaters with WSO/EW can quarterback the entire operation allowing the single seater pilots to focus on the mission
The USN has tailored 3 EA-18Gs working in tandem can track and identify targets at long range. That some concept the F-15EX can use, the pilot is flying while the WSOs/EWs are working to together to identify possible targets without having to rely on AWACS too much.
Secondly for the ANG misson. Again two seater are ideal for the long haul missions that ANG does. Not every mission requires two seaters but its also great to have that option in case.
As far as bailing out of Boeing
lets see
Pop quiz
Who makes the JDAM, SLAM/Harpoon
Super Hornet, Growler, V-22s, CH-47
Boeing has very very long customer list in the defense industry that hasnt changed much
Boeing only problem is he 737 MAX. There are no issues with the 777 or lack of orders
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How about no
ZOV24-2-22
FPV drones are working in Ukraine because both sides are ill equipped to deal with tme
There are a few solutions to the FPV issue however one that is gaining traction is upgrading active protection system (APS) with additional launchers with programmable airburst round either low velocity HEDP 40mm rounds or high velocity 30mm AHEAD rounds so adding the new features to the existing assets allow them to test options for counter drones
Second, the US wouldnt have Ukraine problems in a conflict
Russian forces are caught unaware 90 percent of the time
US forces have Joint Battle Command-Platform (PM JBC-P) which is carried by all forces and can be equipped even to HMWVVs
For battle management and airborne ground surveillance . the USAF used the E-8 JSTARS giving forces on ground real time info on enemy movement
Even though the USAF retired it, the US Army has been allowed to buy a replacement for it
While Russia doesnt take SEAD/DEAD seriously
The US has EA-18G, F-16CJ, EC-130H ,Rivet Joint and Combat Sent as well as E/A-37 in RD and the bulk of US aircraft can use the AGM-88., ADM-141 and ADM-160s
The US has a whole arsenal devoted to destruction of enemy defenses and also thanks to Iraq and Afghn, Electronic warfare sensors are far more precise
Lastly, the US wrote the book on drone warfare with the MQ-1 and MQ-9
As the US takes SEAD/DEAD seriously, Ukraine wouldnt have SAMs to target aircraft and the US would have its airborne ground surveillance , AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft opening with impunity
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@yellowtunes2756
Again wrong
When you have true air superiority , you have complete control of the battlespace. In essence, the enemy is unable to act freely
That Gulf War is example of true superiority as west had complete control of the battlespace
Vietnam again is irrelevant to modern warfare. Secondly wars are not fought with similar levels of equipment as Ukraine has shown. War are fought with advantages
The Pzh-2000 were out of action due the high-intensity of Ukraine firing. That problem is simply due to low number of Pzh-2000. Ukraine doesn't have enough western SPA yet
Russia's lack of camera's also makes no sense. The US has high resolution optics on everything so commanders can view situations as well confirm target movement and destruction.
Incorrect
The M777 needs 20 min per mission and range is just 25 miles. It has to set up, communicate/fire ,then break down and leave which normally takes 20 miles
The Pzh-2000 needs 6s min per mission. Set up, communicate/fire and displace ,its range 40 miles
The HIMARS only needs 3 mins and its range 50 miles. The missile are preloaded while its on the move so all it has to do set up, fire and displace
A KA-52 can cover 25 miles in 9 minutes which means it can easily engage M777s
Even at max speed, the KA-52 covers 40 miles in 12 minutes , 15 mins for 50 miles
By the time a KA-52 gets over head, Pzh-2000 and HIMARS are over 4 miles away. HIMARS as much as 10 miles away
This goes back to Russia's lack of air superiority
The US maintains air superiority by having aircraft 24/7 patrolling kill boxes
The principle benefit is that aircraft can react within minutes. a supersonic Su-35 or MiG-35 can cover 50 miles under 3 minutes but more importantly
if they had advanced western targeting pods and Brimstone missiles, they could precisely target and fire while en route without having to get overhead
yet factor why Russias's air superiority is farce
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@lidlb1tch282
You would be wrong
What you are describing as well what 90 percent people get wrong is called modes of engagement
When you are behind the missile, thats called tail chase engagement. In that type of engagement, yes you are "chasing after the missile and the missile you launch has to enough speed to overtake the target
that is where people confused, not every engagement is tail chase
When I am the target and you are shooting at me, that called head engagement
The missile is coming at me ,so speed is irrelevant. What I have to do is calculate a point at the incoming missile path to intercept it
so if I know in 30 seconds, the incoming missile reach point x, then I will time my interceptor launch so it simultaneously arrives at X
Now maneuvering missile claim to be able to avoid interceptors ,however that's why larger warheads with enhanced fragmentation and proximity fuzes are making a come back They don't need to be hit-to-kill, they just detonate close enough so fragmentation shreds the missile or causes enough damage
Now if the missile in front and I am shooting at it from the side, same principle applies, I am shooting ahead of the missile not at the missile
Speed is needed here but not as important
Now the reason why interceptors have higher speeds and range is so they can get off more shoots at longer ranges
At close range, you may only a get 1 or 2 shoots at most but at longer range, you get in more shots
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The J-20 has literally become useless over night
As far countering tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft goes, the J-20 is pretty much becoming useless in that regard
One of the unique features of the IRIS-T is that seeker is sensitive enough to allow it to be targeted against both air to air and surface to air missiles
The Russian R-77 also claims the same performance ,able to down both air to air and surface to air missiles as well precision-guided munitions
The AIM-120D FR3 currently adds that ability to target both air to air and surface to air missiles as does the AIM-260 JATM
The F-15EX with AMBER can carry up 22 AIM-120s vs the J-20 load of just 4 BVR missiles ,even without AMBER, the F-15EX still carries 8 AIM-120
The J-20's ability to target tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR relies them attacking from outside defending fighters range,however its moot if the defenders can shoot down the missiles
In order to protect the missiles, they will need J-16 EW to jam radar, without , those missiles won't get near tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR and they can't risk getting up close
The J-16 problem is that the E-3 , E-2D and the E-7 would not have any issues with its jamming. Unlike the Russia, the US heavily invested in aerial jamming with the EA-18G, EC-130 Compass call and the newer EC-37B, AWACS. Training with these assets makes it easier for them to deal with the J-16s jamming as well EA-18G, EC-130 Compass call and the newer EC-37B counter jamming
The J-16 last and by far biggest problem is the RC-135 Rivet Joint and Combat Sent which can read the J-16s jamming
So J-20's role has been drastically reduce and only getting worst
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@danielk1152
How about no
Ukraine borders Russia , Russia didnt have to travel thousands of miles like the US . Go through diplomatic channels to stage their forces
Ukraine is literally right next down and Russia cant do anything
The list of Russia's tactical blunders in Ukraine is miles long but lets go with the simplest
As you stated, Ukraine has been getting a lot western equipment yet Russia has done nothing to stop it
What a superpower would have done is land its forces in Western Ukraine and established bases to cut Ukraine off from Poland, Slovakia Romania and Moldova
With Ukraine cut off, there would be Abrams,. Bradleys, HIMARS, ATACMS. Storm Shadow F-16s , Advanced air defensed or even artillery , The whole list of weapons giving Russian forces nightmares wouldnt exist
Now the US has cleared JSOWs for Ukraine which like ATACMS has single warhead and submunitions payloads
and worst, the JASSM is in process
Unlike the Storm Shadow, the US has thousands of JASSMs and parting with few hundred wouldnt be issue as Lockheed has ramped out production
Russia not a superpower
just a super joke
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@Mordalo
Yawn yawn
Ukraine can turn this war into major shit storm with 3 simple weapons
155mm and M30 are accurate but not destructive enough, what Ukraine is lacking is simple destructive capabilities
Harpoon Block II missiles carry 500lbs warhead and have a range of 150 miles. Why this weapon
Simple, the Block II can be launched from 4 pack truck launchers but most importantly can attack both targets on land and sea
The Ukrainian air force can also use AGM-84 with 170 mile range against both land and sea target
With just newer model , Harpoon, the Ukraine would be able strike targets much more effectively
For targets that require extra kick, the Germany made KEPD-350 would be next weapon
it carries 1000lbs warhead and can strike up 300 miles away
With AGM-84 , attacking the black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol becomes a reality and with the KEPD-350, they can strike rest at Novorossiysk and effective put the Russian navy out of this conflict completely. FYI, those 4 Kilo's are diesel so if the bases are toast and tankers promoted to submarine, they are screwed
The last weapons that Ukraine needs is the AIM-120C-5 for its Su-27 and MIG-29
Ukraine air force has no BVR weapons. The addition of the western missiles would allow Ukraine to engage Russian aircraft on equal footing as well destroy other Russian assets like A-50 and IL-78s
Ah , yes the famous black market story
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@lenin soraisham
This conflict has become low intensity which the Russia military is ill equipped to fight
Right now its hype vs reality and Russian forces so far are all hype
Hype
During a reported test conducted by the Russian military in 1999 the T-90 was exposed to a variety of RPG, ATGM and APFSDS munitions. When equipped with Kontakt-5 ERA the T-90 could not be penetrated by any of the APFSDS or ATGM used during the trial
Reality
Despite claims that Russia ERA can protect tanks from ATGM, Russia tankers were still seen welding cope cages on their tanks yet
Russia tanks still were shredded by ATGMs
See because of budget cuts, they had to steel instead of Stalinium
The Hype
he Defense System President-S, also referred to as BKO, is a fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft protection system designed to defeat incoming infrared-guided missiles by laser and radiofrequency/electronic jamming of the missile's seeker. President-S is intended to defeat primarily man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) such as the Russian Igla and the United States Stinger shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles. KRET and Ekran tested this system firing Igla missiles at a President-S equipped Mi-8 helicopter fixed up on a special rig. During the tests, several missiles were fired from a distance of 1,000 meters with no missile reaching its target due to the highly effective jamming.
Reality
The Ukrainian landscape is strewn with the wreckages of everything from Ka-52s to Su-34s
Today a Su-25 was shown badly damaged, yesterday the Russia MOD released a video, hours later, the KA-52 in the video was shown tore shreds in a field
The day before, Mi-24 was shown getting absolutely destroyed by a MANPAD. Poor crew barely had time to scream shit
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if UK decides to provide missiles, the US should switch them out for newer models with land attack capability so Ukraine forces can attack both land and sea targets
If they use combined arms like the US does, they can really inflict serious damage
For attack land targets, have special forces use switch blade 600s to knock out Buk, Tor ,Panstir S1 or Tunguska that would be defending the base
While attacking, they can use target designation units uses to pull coordinates for the Harpoons to use
With an airfield, thats missile in the munition storage, another in fuel depot, another in communcations, Depending on how the aircraft are spaced out out
3 missile in precise locations can destroy a number of aircraft
Rinse and repeat on Russia bases, As the Harpoon carries a larger warhead , vehicles convoys can be targeted
As for attack ships
unlike they are in port or supply ships, they shouldnt waste the time
warships have ample defenses
Ironically what Ukraine needs is MK60 CAPTOR mines or similar lightweight torpedos that small ships can use
Just as the US used PT boats in WW2
Ukraine could equip small boats with Mk-46
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No, the F-16 will Russia's worst nightmare
Russia's saving grace is that Ukraine Air force has very limited capabilities
The F-16 changes that
First the Black Fleet Sea has operated with impunity because Ukraine has no effective way to get them
The F-16 with Harpoon missiles changes that. With the loss of Moskava, the remaining Russian ships have no long range weapons to prevent Ukraine from taking shots at them
with Harpoons
More the point, the F-16 makes strike against the Black Sea Fleet and bases a reality
Ukraine can't fully use JDAMs and AGM-88 with their existing planes, the F-16 again would Ukraine to use both to maximum potential
Specifically, the AGM-88 with the F-16 can home on jam against Russian electronic warfare assets.
The F-16 has the MTD-STD data bus which allows to be integrated with EU, Israeli and France weapons in additional to the US
While it took months for western weapons to added to Ukrainian jets
The F-16 can be integrated with Storm Shadow and KEPD-350 a fraction of the time. Depending on the weapon, a few days at most
Lastly unlike Ukraine's current aircraft, the F-16 has modern RWR, MAWS , EW as well as radar which means they can detect when Su-35s are trying to lock them up in BVR
and actually counter
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How about wrong on all counts
F-14, F-15 and F-16 were built with the notion that they had to fight their way in and out of theater
The advent of air launched cruise missiles and precision munitions changed that notion
Simply put, why fight the enemy in the air when its faster and more efficient to kill them on ground
The F-35s uses its stealth neutralizes the enemy defenses while cruise missile strike the enemy's air field
all the missiles have to do is crater the runway and taxiways and enemy's air power is stuck till combat engineers can fill in the holes and put matting over it
By that time that happens, the second wave of F-35 is already over head and starting pounding the airfield with GBU-12s and 16s
As for the enemy's airborne assets ,they are not going to engage as the base is toast
its engage and run out fuel or withdraw possibility make to another base
The fact fun about this is that it easy to plan
Reconnaissance watches the enemy's movements and provides info you can strike when their airborne assets are the lowest on fuel and able either RTB or a hit tanker
As for Russia and China's claim about anti-stealth
100 percent hot air
To test out anti-stealth measures
The US has B-2, F-117s, F-22s and F-35s plus RQ drones
whats does China or Russia have
China has the J-20s which stealth is hilarious inferior as well as few drone
Russia has Su-57 again with the hilarious inferior stealth and a few drones
The US has dissimilar aircraft using various designs which neither Russia nor China has
Lastly
we are in hypersonic weapons now and SAM sites are screwed
The S-400 claims 250 mile missile range
A Mach 5 weapon would be on its door step in 5 mins while Mach 10 in as little as 2 mins
Now good ole Uncle TLAM needs 40 mins to cover that distance
can EA-18G keep an S-400 suppress for 40 mins, not on its best day
Worst, an Su-35 only needs 7 mins to get with range with R-37s
With hypersonic weapons , the EA-18Gs only needs to keep the S-400 suppressed for 2 to 5 mins which it can easily do and still have ample to time to withdraw denying the Su-35
As the US is getting into the air launched ultra long range air to air missile business., enemy AWACS are targets at much longer ranges
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While HB 612 is massive step forward, its still only triaging the problem
If the owner calls law enforcement, then squatter must provide on the spot, the lease and proof of payment to law enforcement showing they have an actual agreement with the owner and have been making payments. if provided, the squatter is informed that law enforcement will verify their claim with 24 hours and if found to be false, they will be arrested for breaking and entering, fined for any property damaged , fined for any bills that the owner had to pay and fined the amount claimed on the lease
The other side of the coin if the owner is found to be lying, then they will be fined for a false report
Both parties can argue fines in court and the judge will decide on whether or not if it should be imposed
Thats just for starters
Like everything, it will be revised over time to adjust for squatter tactics but if you start putting squatters in jail and making them pay money for the damages and bills
They will stop
Additionally, the law should be revised so homeowners can cut off power and utilities and make so that squatter cant get turn back on
Lastly, if the homeowner reports that the people occupying the property has changed the locks, then thats grounds for automatic removal
There is no leasing or renting company that ever allows the occupant to change the locks as they dont own the property
So they either hand over the keys or be removed
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Tanks usefulness depends on various factors, the first being the combatants
Again a country like the US, tanks are useless. The US sure kill way of killing tanks dates back to 1991 Tank Plinking where US forces were shredding Iraqi tanks by dropping 500lbs GBU-12s.That worked then and even now against the newer tanks like T-14, Armata, it still works. The US military has endless ways of dealing with armor
The problem now is that ATGMs have gotten, lighter , longer range, better seekers and improved warhead
Example. the GAZ Tigr with Kornet, Israeli Spike NLOS, Tomcar/Sandcar and the US made JTLV with ATGMs are all lightweight assets that can be easily deployed and able to deal with armor
The Israeli Spike NLOS, Tomcar/Sandcar topping the scales with its lethality as the Spike NLOS can be launched from 16 miles away,. The Tomcar system is light enough to be carried by MV-22, CH-47 or CH-53 internally but most importantly, the NLOS can perform 90 degree drop on targets which allows to bypass tanks countermeasures
The future of armor depends entirely on support from EW an SHORAD
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As far countering tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft goes, the J-20 is pretty much becoming useless in that regard
One of the unique features of the IRIS-T is that seeker is sensitive enough to allow it to be targeted against both air to air and surface to air missiles
The Russian R-77 also claims the same performance ,able to down both air to air and surface to air missiles as well precision-guided munitions
The AIM-120D FR3 currently adds that ability to target both air to air and surface to air missiles as does the AIM-260 JATM
The F-15EX with AMBER can carry up 22 AIM-120s vs the J-20 load of just 4 BVR missiles ,even without AMBER, the F-15EX still carries 8 AIM-120
The J-20's ability to target tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR relies them attacking from outside defending fighters range,however its moot if the defenders can shoot down the missiles
In order to protect the missiles, they will need J-16 EW to jam radar, without , those missiles won't get near tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR and they can't risk getting up close
The J-16 problem is that the E-3 , E-2D and the E-7 would not have any issues with its jamming. Unlike the Russia, the US heavily invested in aerial jamming with the EA-18G, EC-130 Compass call and the newer EC-37B, AWACS. Training with these assets makes it easier for them to deal with the J-16s jamming as well EA-18G, EC-130 Compass call and the newer EC-37B counter jamming
The J-16 last and by far biggest problem is the RC-135 Rivet Joint and Combat Sent which can read the J-16s jamming
So J-20's role has quite a hurdles to overcome
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@imgvillasrc1608
Hence why they are great examples
Iraq massively numbered the West with tanks and the NATO forces. Even though the Abrams and Challenger 1 were vastly superior , Iraqi still had the numbers on their side and the only way to thin those numbers out was air power which was jets and gunships
Ironically Ukraine and Iraq examples of logistics In both cases, the advancing forces outpaced their logistics and gave the enemy time to dig in
For Iraq, it was moot because strikes from precision guided munitions destroyed their fortifications while in Ukraine, it gave them time to destroy Russian forces logistics and forced them to break off their attack
The point is why bother trying with the logistic boon trying to bring heavy armor when airpower can do the job faster and more much efficiently
Abrams and Challenger 2 going toe to toe T-90s and T-14s would a mixed bag
some tanks would be destroyed , some disabled or other damaged
In the aftermath , both sides would be working overtime trying to get disabled and damaged assets back into the fight
The 500lbs bomb is the trifecta
First, its total asset denial. there is nothing to recover or salvage
Second, loss of experience crew. It months train crews and many battle for them to gain experience. With tank vs tank, its possible for crews to survive and simply come in another tank and use the lessons from last time ,hence why reducing that tank to a literally a smoking hole on the ground of twisted metal and impact crater is preferred
Lastly, its the ultimate in demoralizing the enemy. You send out a force of tanks and no one comes back. You send out your scouts and they report nothing but smoking holes of of twisted metal and impact craters where the force of tanks use to be
That would mess up the enemy commander and his subordinates in so many ways.
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@imgvillasrc1608
We have ground forces ,however tanks no longer have a role. WW1 and WW2 has nothing to do with modern warfare. Times have literally changed and
Air power is the end all weapon when used correctly
The Iraqis were the outnumbered force, not the Coalition-False, Iraq was literally the 4th Largest army at time and still outnumbered the coalition forces hence why the coalition opted for 42 days of consecutive strikes which greatly thinned out Iraq's forces. Even the Republican Guard said uncle against consecutive strikes from B-52s
Russian forces don't suck, they are poorly equipped.
Western aircraft used highly advanced targeting pods while Russian aircraft do not. They rely on their OLS and SVP-24 which have proven to be woefully inadequate
Western aircraft munitions are standardized through out their air forces. The Russian KAB-series is not used by any of their bombers and only handful of aircraft can use the KAB and even fewer can used the newer models of KAB. Same with other air to ground munitions, just a mixed bag with no rhyme or reason
Long story short, Russia claim has always been that US weapons and tech are exotic and overly expensive while their tech is 1/4 the cost but just as effective
Ukraine has proven that notion to be 100 percent false.
The point isnt logistics, the point is why bother with tanks
1 Abrams needs 500 gallons of fuel while Stryker needs 56 gallons and JTLV 45 gallons
1 Fuel tanker with 2500 gallons can refuel 5 tanks 1 while same tanker can refuel 12 Strykers up 3 times or 12 JTLV 4
You're assuming that every commander on each side are the same -False, the T-14 and T-90 are Russia's best protected tanks
Its not about tactics, its about survivablity
Abrams have taken multiple hits in engages and been forced to withdraw while others press on
Mixed bag means exactly what I said
some tanks would be destroyed , some disabled or other damaged
Abrams will not destroy T-14s or T-90 as easily as it did with T-72s in Iraq
Why would you send out a force of tanks against a plane that has a 500 ibs bomb? No one in their right mind does that. When such a scenario happens they send interceptors
For someone who claims "The one with better strategy and tactics win" you are absolutely clueless on how airpower works and that explains a lot actually
Guess is my day for spelling out the obvious
The US would deploy E-8 JSTARS provide movements and intelligence while AWACS monitors sky with F-22s at the ready
In Iraq, they feinted movements which drew out the Iraqi forces
News flash, that tactic still works today. By utilizing a feint, they draw the enemy into the kill box. Once the enemy is in kill box, the strike package launches. EA-18Gs start jamming while B-52s orbiting utilize ARRWs to neutralize Buk, S-300 and S-400. Additional EA-18Gs target Panstir S1, Tunguska and Tor units that might be defending. Enemy AWACS scramble interceptors ,however EA-18G that were jamming the SAMS are now jamming them so they can't provide the interceptors with any information. The F-15Es loaded with 16 JDAMs press to the kill box and go to work. The GBU-54 JDAM uses both laser and GPS and be launched from 15 miles well outside MANPADS. SHORADs are not strong enough to resist EA-18G jamming. While the F-15E are working ,the F-22s are pressing towards the interceptors and enemy AWACS
Your false assumption is that strike package wouldnt include counter air assets. The US, UK, France and all Western air forces always have counter air assets when dealing with contested air space. In the case of the US, air fields, aircraft and SAM sites are target one from the start of any conflict so the odds of the enemy having any aircraft to defend is very low
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@victorzvyagintsev1325
It can't be done nor has it been done
There is no confusion about the Vikhr, you written anti-tank only emphasizes my point
The US has used its Hellfire missiles against personnel several times in Iraq and Afghanistan
The difference is that the Hellfire was upgraded from AGM-114A- Armored vehicles to AGM-114K, M, N, and P for various targets to AGM-114R Hellfire II-All targets
As you stated , its just HEAT charge for armor penetration not multi purpose like the Hellfire
and goes back to my point, they have no choice as the Vikhr is basically useless in every way possible
Secondly again you emphasizes my point
"what happens when the helo finds infantry instead of tanks? It uses the "rocket toss method" with rockets designed specifically to kill infantry insted of trying to pick off individuals with expensive anti-tank missiles"
While the US had no problem using hellfires, its was still an expensive solution at 100K per missile So what did the US do
The US made Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) upgrades the 70mm into precision laser guided munition costing only 22K per missile considerably less than the Hellfire
Lets price this attack
Those are S-8 rockets from Ka-52. Their version of the US 70mm hydra. Assuming they cost the same and they would likely have a full load
thats 40 missiles costing $120,000 that they just sprayed
The US does the same job with 1 Hellfire or 5 APKWS munitions and it being laser guided means better than 90 percent chance of hitting the target
but most importantly, the key design feature of the APKWS is that it used all existing 70mm payloads
HEDP, HEAT and APERS (anti-personnel) warhead
In Russia's case ,they have only waste dozens of missiles in spray and pray tactics
Its funny you say that as another key claim about the KA-52 is that its
Semi-rigid mounting improves the cannon's accuracy, giving the 30 mm a longer practical range and better hit ratio at medium ranges than with a free-turning turret mount.
Yet another again ???
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@Popeye_the_Haterman
As I stated before, Russia's tactical blunder was leaving Western Ukraine open to the West.
Their plan was very straight forward and if it had worked, they would have had Ukraine under control in 2 to 3 months
The plan was capture Antonov Airport which was only 6 miles away from Kyiv and use it as base of operations
With Antonov Airport in their hands, the plan was landing 18 IL-76s of additional forces
As Kyiv was only 6 miles away , its was likely armor and artillery which would have allowed Russian forces to lay siege on Kyiv as well as established a buffer between the West and Ukraine which would prevented Ukraine from being supplied with additional weapon
Effectively , Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine would be surrounded by forces from Kharkiv, Kyiv, Odessa. Mariupol and, Luhansk with Russian forces cutting Western Ukraine off from the rest of the country. Basically if they had succeed, Eastern Ukraine would have been massive kill box for them
So blunder number one
why in the name of insanity would you launch an airborne assault like this in broad daylight
When you are trying to secure an objective like this , you do it under the cover of night
Blunder number two
where was forward arming and refuelling point (FARP) at?
Russian forces were forced to withdraw as they lacked air support
Again with an assault like this, you normally have a FARP set up nearby so your gunships can be quickly turned around and back into the fight
Blunder number why IL-76s ??
One of the things that US military spends on is aerial refueling capability for aircraft
Specifically, MC-130s transports as well MH-60 , MH-47, MV/CV-22 and CH-53 medium to heavy lift helicopters can be refueled in the air
The US would have sent MH-60 with troops to secure LZ nearby as well as strip for MC-130s to land or drop cargo while MH-47 and CH-53 heavy lift light armor and artillery
Have AH-64s fly in with just external fuel tanks to the FARP sit where they would exchange them for Hellfires and 70m hydra rockets
Coordinate with the USN launching of TLAMs against key targets at airport. Once the missile hit, the airborne forces move in
Again for reasons unknown, Russian force did no coordinate with missile strikes from fixed but instead attacked with gunships
The key difference is that US forces would be attacking after TLAMs had laid waste to key targets, not trying to attack them on fly like Russia did
Russia didn't pay the cost of upgrading its gunships weapons with better precision capabilities and are paying for dearly
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The Abrams is typical supported by several other elements which scout ahead and perform reconnaissance both on the ground and in the air
The US army supports its troop on the ground with RQ-7, MQ-1C from the air. If RQ-7 or MQ-1C are not available, troops carry RQ-11 with them
The USMC uses ScanEagle and RQ-21 BlackJack for air and RQ-11 on the ground
The USAF supports both with MQ-9s
All these UAVs have highly advanced sensor payloads allowing them to easily spot threats
We are not seeing Russian forces use any UAVs in this manner. And as the saying goes, what you don't see will kill you and thats what's happening to Russian armor
They are not spotting the ambushes , they are getting rektted
Secondly the Abrams has Remote controlled weapon station (RWS) . plus the gunner and commander sights which allows it to look in multiple directions at once
Most of the Russian tanks lack RWS and they can only look where the gun is aimed.
Russia tanks are built around a carousel autoloader. Pro gives them sustained rates of fire, Con, the ammunition is in turret with crew
As seen many times, if the ammunition cooks off , its sayonara for tank and crew
The Abrams ammo is stored in the rear of the turret separate from the crew. The top of the ammunition storage has whats called blow out panels and the access in the turret is via armored door. r if ammunition storage is hit the door slams shut.
its called the path of least resistance which allows the explosive force of the ammunition to be directed up and away from the crew
Unlike Russian tanks, if there is ammunition explosion, as long as the crew is inside with the hatches closed and nothing interferes with the safety features
9 out of 10, they will survive. and Abrams would simply have the turret replaced
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@attilakiss6679
As far as PR goes, Russia's propaganda continues to be massive over state reality
From TASS
The Russian Defense Ministry reported that a total of 267 aircraft, 148 helicopters, 1,785 drones, 367 surface-to-air missile systems, 4,359 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 810 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles
Not one of those figures are even close to be accurate
As far pushing out, Russian forces , sorry comrade but Ukrainian forces are getting very close to pushing Russian forces out
The revelation that the West and Ukrainian forces hand adapted AGM-88s to MIG-29 means they are in fact working upgrading Ukrainian air force with western weapons
The other fact is that West is getting close to providing Ukrainian forces with long range precision strike capability
Either 190 mile MGM-140s or 150 mile Harpoons with land and sea attack capablity
Either weapon in Ukraine's hands would be massive turn for the worst for Russian forces
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@mikhaillobach3152
So basically just 100 percent Russian propaganda
FYI, you should read before you poist
Ukraine agreed to Russia's demand never to join NATO-, that never happened
If Ukraine had made such a concession, this conflict would have been over months ago
Russia was forced to abandoned Kyiv as their logistics failed miserably
Secondly everything you have said has been in Eastern Ukraine ,
Tactically speaking, has been a major embarrassment for the Russia military
The loss of the Moskava and lack of replacement is massive embarrassment for the Russian navy to loss a ship to knock off missiles
Russian army get shredded daily to point where Russian tank turrets are flying more than the Russian air force
As for HIMARS destruction, again 100 percent Russian propaganda
The towed M777s were destroyed because they require 5 mins to set up, another 5 for the fire mission and 5 more to break and move
US crews train for 10-15 mins max , Ukrainian are likely 15-20 mins. Depending on range ,even at, 20 miles ,thats still enough time for UAV to get over head
The HIMARS can set up, fire and break in 5 mins. The missiles are preloaded while the HIMARS is on the move so they dont have to wait for coordinates
Unless Russia has jets near the target , The HIMARS shoot and scoots too fast for UAVs or Helicopters to get eyes on
Problem two is enough if they get eyes on, HIMARS travel with MANPADS so odds are, that KA-52 or Su-30 won't come back
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@xxxmikeyjock
And that matters because
oh wait it does not
Putin literally can cut off the energy and food to all of Europe- because Russia is only source of food and energy in the entire world
you are plain stupid or just a rock.
Putin literally just signaled the death of the US petrodollar
Again, the US economy is not that fragile as
but please keep grasping at those straws
FYI moron
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Oil Production (barrels per day)
United States - 11,567,000.
Russia - 10,503,000.
Saudi Arabia - 10,225,000.
Canada - 4,656,000.
Iraq - 4,260,000.
China - 3,969,000.
United Arab Emirates - 2,954,000.
Brazil - 2,852,000
Russia literally does not matter
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@indianasunsets5738
Again wrong ass
18 US Code so 1924 does not apply
Asses like you are hilarous because you
keep grasping straws
the law you so hilarously mentioned has a key word you failed to read
W
18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location
The key here ass
is knowingly removes
once again clown you fail
Trump will be face prosecution as he was required by the presidential records act
Biden's doc are from him as VP
which falls on the National Archive not Biden
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@daddyandy9591
And you copying and pasting specs matters because ??
The Su-35 does not carry four R-37
The Su-35 is not impossible to distinguish from the Su-27
First the Su-35 , Su-34 and Su-30s all use the same wing rail system as all 3 are designed to accommodate the Khibiny ECM system
Second the Su-35 has no nose antenna while the Su-27 including SM3 still has antenna pointing out in the next
Third, the Su-35 uses the OLS-35 IRST which has distinctive fish eye appearance , the Su-27 has a smaller flatter appearance
Lastly and most importantly, the Su-35 has an aerial probe for inflight refueling
the Su-27 does not
opinion of many American military personnel, Russian electronic warfare is better-FALSE LMAO
if the US had to deal with Russian EW
They would have RC-135 Combat Sent and Rivet Joint locate the sites , with E/A-37 and EC-130 counter jamming
EA-18G as well F-16CJ would be engaging Russia EW with AGM-88G. Remember Ukraine can only use AGM-88 in limited fashion , the EA-18G can engage targets as far 160 miles with AGM-88G model. Thats beyond the range virtually all Russian defenses except the S-400 and even then ,the US plan for the S-400 is combined of EA-18G , F-18E and F-35A
Ukraine doesnt have the tools to deal with Russian EW whereas US has endless options to do so
Remember while the Ukrainan air force may shy away from trading blows with Russian air force, the USAF is all for it
Lastly , NATO needs no analog of the S-400
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@daddyandy9591
So in other words, you have no idea what you are talking
Why would a Su-35 chase someone if all air-to-air missiles operate according to the “fire and forget” scheme?
SMH , you russianbot are so clueless
The R-37 is designed to go after large targets like, AWACS, Tankers and transports
As I told you before, the R-37 at max range needs 3 mins to reach its target
an F-16 tops off at 1350 mph while AWACS, Tankers and transports at most do 530 mph
In 3 min, at most, the AWACS, Tankers and transports change position by 27 miles at most
The R-37 terminal seeker range where the missile becomes fire and forget is estimated at 30 miles so against large targets, the missile is fire and forget
but against smaller faster targets that have better maneuverability , the Su-35 has to maintain control
thats why BVR missiles are equipped with mid-course updat/uplink/datalink
So that launching aircraft can update the missile with real time target info or simply control it all the way to targer
and the Su-35 has down what so far
7 lost and counting
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They are not pulling their punches
They are taking beating
its hype vs reality
Hype
During a reported test conducted by the Russian military in 1999 the T-90 was exposed to a variety of RPG, ATGM and APFSDS munitions. When equipped with Kontakt-5 ERA
the T-90 could not be penetrated by any of the APFSDS or ATGM used during the trial
Reality
Despite the claims that Russia ERA like Kontakt-5, Relikt and Malachit can protect tanks from ATGM and types of anti tank weapons
Russia tanks shredded by ATGM. Russian official brushed off the West supply Ukraine while Russian tanks were seen welding cages on their tanks
Despite their superior protection systems.
Hype
The Defense System President-S, also referred to as BKO, is a fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft protection system designed to defeat incoming infrared-guided missiles by laser and radiofrequency/electronic jamming of the missile's seeker. President-S is intended to defeat primarily man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) such as the Russian Igla and the United States Stinger shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles. KRET and Ekran tested this system firing Igla missiles at a President-S equipped Mi-8 helicopter fixed up on a special rig. During the tests, several missiles were fired from a distance of 1,000 meters with no missile reaching its target due to the highly effective jamming.
Reality, today a Su-25 was shown heavily damaged . Days earlier a Mi-24 shown getting absolutely wrecked by MANPADs
Again despite their claims, the Ukrainan landscape strewn with the wreckage of Russia air force aircraft from Ka-52s to Su-34s
Truth be told, an Ukrainian solider was shown unable to engage helicopter with Igla but Ukrainain's forces dont just have Iglas
They have US Stingers and Polish Piorun
The simple fact is that this has become a low intensity conflict which Russia is so for ill equipped to fight
The Tu-22M, Tu-95s and Tu-160s are collecting dust as its the Russia navy
Same with the MIG-31s and Kinzhal and Russia navy with the Zircon
All the weapons made a big deal about are just collecting dust right now
The US traveled 7000 miles to Iraq and then the capital in 3 weeks
Yet Russian can't seem to travel the 286 miles to Kyiv
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Russia is basically SOL because of their tactical blunders
The reason why they are running to NK and Iran is due the shear amount of their tech that has been captured and sent to the West for analysis
Tanks, missiles, sam equipment, jammers etc
Combined with the fact that RC-135 Rivet Joint and Combat Sent as well EC-130s ,EA-18Gs and RQ/MQs have been flying overtime logging emissions from EW and radar sites
Going low tech is their only hope but as Ukraine is getting F-16s here shortly, and unlike the MIG-29 and Su-27, the F-16s can fully use UK, EU, FR and Israeli weapons in addition to US, Russia has much bigger problems
Russia' EW sites rely on the fact that Ukraine is limited in their ability to locate and destroy them , The F-16s radar and AGM-88s will change that
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@MrVioletpandora
There have been 8 F-35 crashes in 15 years
The F-14 had 45 crashes within its first 15
The F-15 was 80 plus
The F-16 was over 200
Compared to the aircraft before, 8 crashes is nothing
Secondly of the 8 , only 3 have question marks. The Japans F-35A, SK F-35A and and UK F-35B were all incidents that weren't fully explained
The F-35 that ended up in the sea was called ramp strike. The F-35 is not first nor will be the last aircraft to do so
Ramp strikes date back to WW2.
If war does break out, Russia is massively screwed
Western aircraft have AESA radars, Sensor Fusion, Advanced networking, Software defined systems , advanced targeting pods and next gen weapons
Thats both 4.5 and 5th
Russia only aircraft with that is the Su-57 and they have ?? maybe 4 operational
They had planned on the Su-57 replacing everything as well as massively exporting it. As the Su-57 flamed out in spectacular fashion, they found themselves without a credible air force hence the rush for Su-35s, MIG-35, Su-27SM3, MIG-29SMT and Su-30SM. Unfortunately, they had wasted so much time with the Su-57, that couldnt afford upgrades that Western 4.5 gen aircraft had
So war does break out, it wont end will for Russias air force
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@PaulV.
How about no
As stated,
disastrous humiliation for Russia no matter how you try to spin it.
The US traveled 7000 miles to Iraq twice and Afghan and hand both on their knees in weeks
The reason why is why Russia is failing in Ukraine
The US first order of business to cutting both countries off and limiting what outside sources could do
Russia's tactical blunder was not securing borders at Moldova, Slovakia, Poland and Romania
By not cutting off Ukraine from the outsource is why we are 18 months into this conflict
Lets look at other disastrous consequences
The KA-52 and LMUR has been very successful however the cost of that success is that it has show the West that MANPADs as SHORAD wont work against the KA-52, MI-28 and Mi-35s
To that end, the West countries have dusted off old program where air to air missile were used as SHORAD with missiles that massively out range anything Russian gunships could carry
Russia's weapon against the West was GPS and EW
Thanks to Ukraine, most of that has been revealed to the West
NASAMS, Patriot and IRIS are network centric and transmit in real time so every Russian attack with missile, drone and aircraft
that data has been sent back to the West
The T-14 is expensive so the stop gap has been more T-90 variants
T-90/A/KM/S/MS has either been destroyed or captured in Ukraine
So disastrous humiliation for Russia no matter how you try to spin it.
Russia's has claimed its lancet drone is highly effective ,if the US was in Ukraine ,they would have MQ-9s with 8 Hellfires or JDAM for Persistent Close Air Support (PCAS)
unlike the Lancet, when the MQ-9 drops steel, there is no doubt its destroying what it hits
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@andilamh2791
Based on what has happened in Ukraine so far , thats highly unlikely
Russia tried to use its EW against Starlink and they countered it within day
Additional The Krasukha has been so far useless in Ukaine , Russian EW has been so far useless in Ukraine
As far as blinding and disrupt, false, that only works against active system ,passive systems can trace the RF emissions back
In full conflict, the NATO has dozens of ways of dealing with the S-350, S-400 and S-500
There is thing called range and the S-350, S-400 and S-500 would never get in range and the US assets are designed to operate from stand off range
So how exactly would Russian systems get in range
answer, wouldnt happen
The USAF successfully tested the ARRW today which is the writing on the wall for both Russia and China
The ARRW launched from 350 miles away can easily attack S-350, S-400 and S-500 as missile only needs 1 min 23 secs to cover that distance
That means that EA-18G only has to disrupt the S-350, S-400 and S-500 radar for 1 min 20 at most which is literally a cake walk
without their radar, they can't counter fire on the ARRW
That also means that MIG-31 or Su-35 won't have time to intercept the EW aircraft
As the USAF ARRW is designed so that B-52 and B-1s can carry 20 plus per plane
The best Russia can do is 4 Kinzhal , that allows one B-52 to break a massive hole in Russian defenses
AS for the Chinese
Their DF launchers are massive and an ARRW launched from 700 miles away can still strike as the launchers massive size limits their speed
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Simple
they dont need the F-16 to go blow for with Su-35s
Lets spell it out for you
Ukraine has been striking air defense ,air fields as well assets in the air to reduce Russia's ability to interdict Ukrainian aircraft
With A-50s flying, S-300 and S-400 fully operationally, F-16s would have been vulnerable
Russia has grounded its A-50s and S-300/400s are getting attacked daily
Without that coverage, its up to Su-35s and their radar which is extremely limited coverage
Ukraine needs the F-16s ability to use fully use the AGM-88s in all modes. One it allows them to better attack Panstir ,Tunguska and Tor SHORAD and two most importantly it allows them better attack Russian EWS sites
The F-16 can drop 500bs, 1000bs and 2000lbs laser guided bombs which are immune to EW jamming. More the point, it can use number of weapons immune to EW jamming but importantly, the F-16 can use US, EU, UK, French and Israeli weapons
Lastly, the F-16 can use Harpoon ASM to hunt the remaining Black Sea ships at sea
There is literally zero need for dogfighting
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Pretty much
There are 5 variants of the ATACMS. M39, M39A1, M48, M57 and M57E1
Ukraine has M39, M39A1, and M48s, They wont see the newer M57 or M57E1 till the older M39, M39A1, M48 stocks are used up
But as PrSM deliveries are in full swing, that might be sooner than later
The US military opposed ATACMS because they were not receiving the PrSM yet
Now that they are, they dropped all opposition to Ukraine getting the 190 mile variants of the ATACMS
There are 300 PrSM planned for 2024 and 2025
Thats 300 ATACMS that Ukraine will receive in turn
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Ukraine doesnt need manpower
It needs weapons so it can strike more effectively
Case in point, Ukraine air force has very very aircraft able use Storm Shadow, JDAM , AASM and AGM-88s
The Ukrainian army only has 155mm and MLRS and that sums up Ukraine's strike power
With the additional ATACMS both 500lbs warhead and submunition variant
Ukraine's 70 plus western launchers can strike nearly 200 miles vs the current 103 miles
As before , Ukraine uses 6-7 ATACMS and shredded a Russian base
So offensively, Ukraine can do more but Ukraine wont have true offensive power till they have at least 12 F-16s operational
Unlike Ukraines' Russian aircraft , The F-16 is what is exactly needed
For air to ground, the F-16 can use 500lbs, 1000lbs and 2000lbs laser guided bombs which immune to EW
While MIG-29s can only use the AGM-88 in limited modes, the F-16 can fully use it , specially the F-16 can hunt and destroy EW sites allowing GPS munitions to be usable again
The F-16 can also use the Harpoon ASM for anti ship attacks against Russians' frigates
Russian fanboys are quick to say the F-16 is no match for the Su-35 or S-400
New flash, The F-16 doesnt need to be
Ukraine has been striking S-300 and S-400 sites but mostly importantly after 2 were blow out of the sky, A-50s are no longer operational
So the Russian air force ability to engage F-16s is already knocked out
a smart Ukrainian play would play here kitty and have F-16s act as bait and draw Russian aircraft into missile traps
Ukraine needs the F-16 air to ground capability more than its air to air
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@Anton Smirnov
So in other words,you literally have no idea what you are talking about
Lets recap
The West has advance targeting pods whereas Russia ???
The West has dual and tri mode bombs whereas Russia KAB-series is still single mode ?
Specifically, several western countries have developed precision kits to iron bomb into smart bombs, Russia has no such capability
90 percent of western aircraft has AESA radars whereas Russia again???
And thats just one area
Indian refused to buy the Su-57 because of facts not ideology
"Defence Minister A K Antony has been saying the FGFA would join the Indian Air Force by 2017. On Monday, his deputy, M M Pallam Raju, told Parliament, “The fifth generation aircraft is scheduled to be certified by 2019, following which the series production will start.”
The fact was the Su-57 was going nowhere. Instead of hundreds of aircraft by 2017
In 2017, Russia was still in the prototype stage with a handful of aircraft and nowhere close to building the FGFA
Even now, Russian still has just a few examples
And your point about Pyotr Ufimcev is what exactly? hes not the first nor will be the last person who came up with a theory that others put into practice
Society has been doing that since BC
As for the lost of the F-117
Again your point is exactly what ?
The USAF lost an F-117 due to limitations of technology at that time. Today, that won't happen even against an S-400 or S-500
In Serbia, SEAD aircraft could not locate SAM sites unless they were actively transmitting. Second, the AGM-88 still needed a source of RF to home in on
SEAD also could not see SAM sites hidden in forrest. Weather also played a factor. In gulf where there was nothing but desert ,SAM hunting was much easier
Today all those limitations have to fixed
As mentioned before Western aircraft have high resolution target pods that allow to ID targets from 30 plus miles away in all weather conditions
Instead of solely relying on aircraft with AGM-88s , SEAD can locate targets and vector aircraft with bombs in for the kill
Even if the site tries to go active, the SEAD can jam their radars long enough for other aircraft to strike
The AGM-88 has been upgraded into all purpose weapon which no long relies on RF homing
The lost of the F-117 was more than S-125 doing point and shoot. It took a lot of effort
Thats why stealth is still very much active because all the major players understood what and why with the lost of the F-117
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@Richard AllisonChina's hypersonic defense system is not the world first , its in the high teens, behind , US, Russia and Israel
As for nuclear conflict,
Its not about being 100 percent, its about reducing the effectiveness of the attack, A few missiles getting through is better than a few hundred getting through
In nuclear conflict, bases with bombers, SSBN ports, capitals and C/Care the first as the goal is to knock out the enemy's able to fight as well as command and control
In the Cold War ,you would be correct but current defensive technology has improved greatly to where defenses can achieve a high level of interception
The US has the best defenses and they are only getting better
Russia's only defenses is the S-300/400/500 and the few A systems. They have no sea based defenses
China has the HQ-9 and S-400 as well as few sea based defenses and are working on projectile defenses
The US has PAC,THAAD, and GBI on land, and the SMs at least across 90 ships plus projectile and laser defenses in the works
HVP ammo is being tested for the MK-45 5 inch gun on destroyers and the Army with its 155mm systems
The US has layers upon layers
China and Russia not so much
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@realpolitik01
I has 5000 missiles
Now thats comedy
Lets add reality to that statement
All worthless
then end
Its called modern warfare for a reason ding dong
Sam sites are Missile firing units, radar, communications and command post
MFUs are useless without comms or command post and radar can be simplely jammed with EW
You dont need to target the missile, if you destroy their comm and command
Without comms and command post, there is no way for the missiles to handled off
Without radar, no way for missile to reach their target
By destroying or jamming those items, all those missile become paper weights
As far the US
The US would destroy literally everything Iran has
Iran problem's is that Serb already tried that tactic
Serbian forces survived because US SEAD could not track them unless they were active and weapons could only engage them if they are active and they lacked comms to transmit data to other assets. Thanks to those lessons, the AGM-88G can engage even targets are cold or even moving at double the range
Bonus, thanks to 20 years in Afghan, EA-18G Growlers networked together can generate targeting tracks for hostile radio-frequency sources in real time and trilaterate targets locations from hundreds of square to a very, very small area.
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wow, what dumbass , and lyin sack of shit, for starters, no pilot has passed in the F-35 , that F-22 ass clown, secondly, F-35 will F-16s, Harriers and F-18, which is significantly cheaper. The airforce spent 843 mil to equip its planes with targeting pods, the navy and Marines equally as much. the F-35 has it built into the aircraft. it cost a bit in the end but the savings in the long term is what justifies the cost ,get your fact straight
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@bigjohnmacarthy9493
The irony is that Ukraine with limited western weapons is going year 3 and counting
No ,its not complicated ,
You are forgetting that Ukrainian forces were nearly depleted
Step 1 was the initial strike on Dzhankoi against Russian air power
Step 2 is resupply forces and stabilize the situation on the front line
Once thats done, they will starting planning to strike for maximum effectiveness both tactically and strategically
in their shoes
The Kerch Bridge for obvious reasons, fuel and munition depots , command and control, and more strikes against air fields
The number of ATACMS delivered is estimated at 100-200 missiles at most so they are kinda limited to a degree
Lastly
Ukraine has operated mainly Russia weapons
so going cold turkey on Russian weapons to Western has been a challenge
Ukraine wont have true offensive power till they have at least 12 F-16s operational
Unlike Ukraines' Russian aircraft , The F-16 is what is exactly needed
For air to ground, the F-16 can use 500lbs, 1000lbs and 2000lbs laser guided bombs which immune to EW
While MIG-29s can only use the AGM-88 in limited modes, the F-16 can fully use it , specially the F-16 can hunt and destroy EW sites allowing GPS munitions to be usable again
The F-16 can also use the Harpoon ASM for anti ship attacks against Russians' frigates
Russian fanboys are quick to say the F-16 is no match for the Su-35 or S-400
New flash, The F-16 doesnt need to be
Ukraine has been striking S-300 and S-400 sites but mostly importantly after 2 were blow out of the sky, A-50s are no longer operational
So the Russian air force ability to engage F-16s is already knocked out
a smart Ukrainian play would play here kitty and have F-16s act as bait and draw Russian aircraft into missile traps
Ukraine needs the F-16 air to ground capability more than its air to air
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if WW3 started ,Russia would lose miserably
First Russia weapons against the West was its Electronic warfare capability
Specifically, jamming GPS and communication
Both have been exposed in Ukraine and some systems have been even being captured and sent back to the West
The West now knows exactly how Russian GPS jamming works and has has Lockheed, Raytheon and GD working on counter-measures
Secondly the KA-52 and Mi-28 attacks has shown that US military using the Stryker SHORAD with Stinger missiles will be ineffective as both are attacking Ukrainian forces from with outside the range of the Stingers. So now the US military is looking to acquire the NASAMS High Mobility Launcher (HML) which is based on the Complementary Low-Altitude Weapon System (CLAWS) and SLAMRAAM (Surface Launched AMRAAM) concepts which uses AIM-9X and AIM-120C-5s for SHORAD
The updated HML with AIM-9X and AIM-120C-5 can reach out to 30 plus miles which is beyond the range of any weapon use by KA-52 or Mi-28
Lastly, how many R-37, R-27, R-73 and R-77s have been recovered from downed aircraft and sent back to West
Radars, EW and other tech from downed Russian aircraft
18 months in Ukraine has cost Russia more than you know
The Patriot, NASAMS and IRIS-T are network centric
they transmit data in real time so every Russian attack with drones, missiles and aircraft
All that data has been going back to the West in real time
The more Russia stays, the more and more it has to dive into its capabilities and the more the West learns
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@PerceivedREALITY999
Russia borders Ukraine yet after year and half, they have gotten no where
The US traveled 7000 miles to Iraq and Afghan and had both those countries on their knees in a matter of weeks
Let that sink it
Russia's tactical blunder was failing to secure western Ukraine
By not securing western ukraine, Russia did not cut ukraine off from the West and thus why Russia is currently getting its ass headed to it
lets recap how they screwed up
Since Ukraine still has open line
they have gotten Javelins which have been shredding Russian armor. HIMARS which have sticking with deadly precision, Pzh-2000, CAESAR and other high mobility western 155mm systems. Last but not least Patriot systems
if Russia was not an incompetent jackass, and had cut off Ukraine from the West, this conflict would have been over by April of last year
instead, they have let Ukraine gain a path to victory
Russian's weapon against the US was GPS jammers. Thanks to Ukraine, the US now knows exactly how they work
Russia's Ka-52 and MI-28 have been attacking and once again thanks to Ukraine, the US now knows that its Stryker SHORAD will be ineffective so they have gone back to plans for using the AIM-9X and AIM-120C-5 for SHORAD. The AIM-120C-5 range allow massively out range anything that the KA-52 or MI-28 could carry and unlike MANPAD, the AIM-120s warhead would shatter a KA-52 and Mi-28 like glass
Lastly, the Patriot , NASAMS and IRIS-T are all designed to be network centric which means they transmit data in real time
Once again, Russia's constant missile attacks has only been feeding the West with vital info about Russia missiles and aircraft
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@JohnAkaSB
LMAO
lay off the potato juice their ivan
Lets recap how many ways the F-16 will tear up Russian forces and its vastly superior the Su-25
First, the F-16 block 40 was introduced in 1988
The Block 40/42 is the improved all-day/all-weather strike variant equipped with LANTIRN pod which is Ukraine will get
The Block 40 can use everything Ukraines
HARM, JDAM, PAVEWAY , MAVERICK , HARPOON, AIM-7, AIM-9, and AIM-120. It can use CBUs as well be intergrated with Storm Shadows
Can the Su-25 carry anti-ship missiles,No
Cruise missiles no again, radar guided air to air missiles again no
The Su-25 is a joke compared to the F-16
Secondly
The F-16 can carry 2 Harpoons and launch them from up 120 miles away against naval targets
without the Moskav promoted to submarine, Russia has no way to stop the F-16 from going after their ships
Bases are in Crimea are going be the first targets for the F-16
While GPS jammers affect JDAMs, they have no effect on PAVEWAYS or MAVERICKS
Air defense can be neutralized with ease
You are forgetting that Pzh-2000 , Archer and CAESARs can easily drop steel Russian air defense equipment
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@monumentaltravel3745
The F-16 more than enough to do job
The notion that F-16 is not ideal is Russian propaganda
The Black Sea Fleet has enjoyed impunity because the Ukrainian air force has no way to attack
The F-16 with Harpoons can attack Russian shipping. Even with baseline Harpoons, the range is 120 miles and the defenses on the frigate max out at 31 miles
F-16 would be able lob Harpoon after Harpoon at Russia ships
In order to protect the Black Sea Fleet, the Russian air force would have to operate from bases in Crimea
While Ukraine few Su-24 to use Storm Shadow, the F-16 can be easily integrated with it which would strike against Crimea that much easier
GPS jammers affect JDAMs but PAVEWAYS and MAVERICKs are unaffected by jamming
More the point, they can be laser guided allow Ukraine forces for precision strikes against moving targets
The older LANTRIN can be supplied to Ukraine as the newer SNIPER XR and LITENING are what the US military used
Ukrainian MiG-29 and Su-27 can only use AGM-88 at fraction of its capability while the F-16 can fully use it all modes
Lastly, while MIG-29 and Su-27 limited to old and outdated R-27, R-73 and R-77s as well have very limited supply
F-16 can use AIM-9P/R and AIM-7, AIM-120C-5 and those are in massive supply
Also fun fact, the F-16 can CBU-87s
The F-16 is very much the ideal for Ukraine
Russia's problem is that F-16 can also carry ADM-160s aerial decoys
One simple tactics is to launch ADMs while 2 F-16 approach at low level against A-50s ,Il-22 and Il-78s
Everyone is Russia would send MiG-31 and Su-35 after
kinda hard to do if Ukraine goes after the A-50 in air or land and knocks them out
Sure Ukraine could lose an F-16 or 2 in process but the lost of tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft would be massively worth it both tactically and strategically
As far the S-400 and other air defense, if the Ukrainian air force is taking load of ground forces , they would be free to go after S-400 sites
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@petterlion2659
You honestly believe, that US put its best weapons in Ukraine, thats just stupid
The HIMARS is not the US best weapon ,its kicks ass
If the West stopped aiding by the measured response rule and give Ukraine everything asked for, this would be over quickly
Yes moron, you read the art of war and it made you incredible stupid
The long war
Right
Russia has lost over 100 manned aircraft, as most of those are two seaters , thats 200 experienced personnel gone
Panstir S1, T-90M, Khibiny , Krasukha and very very long list Russian tech has ended up in Western hands
At leas 6 high experienced generals dead
The cruiser Moskva sunk and you idiots are actual stupid to enough to quote Art of War for Putins actions
SMH
thats not art of war
that literally incompetence
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@avengerpz
How about no
Poland, Estonia, and Romania countries who like the US who will aide by the treaty in principle but have no signed it so getting the munitions to Ukraine wont be problem
Biden said it plain and simple quiting "they’re running out of that ammunition
Again wrong
Ukraine does not have an capable air force or naval assets
No Frigates, Cruisers or Destroyers or even subs able to launch cruise missiles from hundreds of miles away.
The few aircraft they do have are old and obsolete plans with very very little capabilities and even fewer in number
There ground forces , specifically HIMARS, M270s and 155mm systems are literally doing all Ukraine's heavy lifting in combat
Since they are really Ukraine's only weapon, the reasoning for giving DPICM is very simple
DPICM allows them to do more per shot. Instead of having to target one by one , the DPICMs allow Ukrainian forces to hit multiple targets at once and greatly reduces the number rounds they need to fire mission
You have a cluster of targets , the first shot is doing to alert everyone and they will be gone by 3rd shot
You fire DPICM and one you are hitting everyone at once and two even if some escape, they wont be unscathed
instead of burning rounds and missiles, when they have multiple targets in the same area ,they can service all them far more efficiently than going one by one
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@SentientOak
Lay off the potato juice
Russia isnt facing anything
Ukrainian air force has very little capabilities
No electronic warfare, No tankers for aerial refueling ,No AWACS, No Anti-ship capabilities,Nada
What they have is very few aircraft able to use JDAMs, AGM-88s and Storm Shadows
So what challenge is RuAF from the Ukrainian air for
no much
Now give Ukrainian a fully equipped air force and you will see Russian forces running for their lives
The Ukrainian army has no gunship able to carry out precision strikes
their few Mi-8/24 can't do much
Give Ukraine, Apaches, Cobra or Tigre and once again Russian forces will be running for their lives
Ukraine defense has no integrated air defence system (IADS)
They have 2 PAC, 1 SAMPT, 9 NASAMS and 4 IRIS which is not even close to what they need
Now for IADS, they need 100 PACs and 50 SAMPT for long range, 100 NASAMS and IRIS for medium range and 100 RIM-7 launcher for SHORADs
You honestly think the few pieces of what they are facing is NATO
now thats comedy
The USAF alone with 12 F-15E would cripple Russian forces on land and sea in 3 days
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@blackwidowsm
You guys and your fairy tale world are hilarious
First , fun facts
Ukraine doesn't have an air force while NATO has hundreds of assets. In conflict between the NATO and Russia, ground troops are literally moot
F-15E, Typhoons, and F-18s can strike targets between 300 to 600 miles away without ever get in range of of S-400 or Su-35s/MiG-31
While Ukraine has no navy, the NATO has hundreds of assets.
In war with NATO, Russian forces would be introduced to the hurt locker as unlike Ukraine, NATO has plenty of weapons to inflict serious damage
As for grinding Ukraine down, hilarious as well stupid
Russia has long touted its equipment as the superior and Ukraine has shattered that notion completely
The KA-52, Su-30 and Su-34 represent the latest in Russian aircraft and all have double digit losses
As mentioned before, T-90s have been captured or destroyed thus far
Your desperate attempt to explain Russia incompetence is hilarious
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Here's a new flash kiddo
Ukraine has been putting money in UK, US and EU pockets so why would they stop
Here is simple point for you
When military equipment expires , it has to go through a costly process called demilitarization
So with missiles, they have to be carefully dismantled, the warheads removed and disposed by controlled detonation. The rocket disposed by via controlled burns, The electronics removed and finally the case is melted or simply destroyed.
The process can cost millions up words very high numbers
By giving Ukraine weapons that are old or scheduled for demilitarization,, thats billions saved when you combined all the various weapons being sent that no long need costly demilitarization
Instead, you can spend it on newer better weapons. More the point, newer weapons do more damage so you dont need as many so you are not spending as much
In the end, UK, US and EU are reaping savings after savings
Lastly, the military industrial complex thanks to Putin's fear mongering towards other countries that he wont stop at Ukraine is yet another reason
so you see kiddo, its all on Russia
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@arcontez9327
if my evaluation coincide with that from an ex US Secretary of Defense
Yeah, thats called desperation
As stated before, that Sec Def only held the job for 72 and was not involved in military aviation so his word literally carries no weight
following several dismal reports by the Government Accountability Office on the fighter’s performance, a nearly two-hour hearing on Capitol Hill highlighted its engine issues as a particularly problematic feature.
Again, as I told you, the GAO reports carry no weight
POGO, GAO and others , all they can be do is criticize, object or report but make no mistake, they carry no weight
U.S. Marine Corps Captain Dan Grazier highlighted “
Dan Grazier is reporter and former USMC officer , again not credible
No you are posting misinformation as you not posting complete information, just the bits that happen you fit your narrative
Thats part you are not getting, nothing you have posted carries any weight
all sources you posted carry no weight
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@arcontez9327
On January 4th 2022, the South Korea Air force was forced to ground its entire fleet of F-35 after a landing on the belly of one of its F-35 whose landing gear failed.
Grounding aircraft after accidents again, common and again not unique the F-35
the Pentagon admitted that the F-35 had 871 flaws that could potentially affect its performance, 8 if them classified as "critical". Along 2021 only two of these flaws were corrected, none of them from the most severe group
Again with the cherry picking
lets add the complete story
"Given that the report is not as of yet available, it is not clear what the specific elements of the deficiencies are, or what kinds of impact they may have upon F-35 mission readiness or performance. It is also at this point difficult to have a sense of how critical these may be, as some are likely to fall within the category of routine software and hardware upgrades or maintenance."
Again posting misinformation.
News flash, the Director, Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) reports carry no weight with the Pentagon or US military
The DOTE refused to approve the USAF and USMC plans yet both the USAF and USMC carried out their plans regardless
When USMC declared its F-35B IOC in 2015, DOTE objected yet nothing happened other than the USMC moving forward with their plans
POGO, GAO and others , all they can be do is criticize, object or report but make no mistake, they carry no weight
Again with the cherry picking how SK tracks their metrics is unknown
In late 2020, acting U.S. Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller had referred to the F-35 as “a piece of…
Your desperation is hilarious
First Miller was only Sec-Def for 72 days , LMAO, your source of information is someone who barely held the job for 2 and half months
Secondly ,Miller was the special forces operator , not an aviator. So again your source of information was someone who knows literally nothing about aviation
Lastly his rank was colonel
Now, if the someone with actual credentials such Jim Mattis or the current Sec Def Llyod Austin made that statement ,it would actually carry weight as both Austin and Mattis were both generals, both held commanded United States Central Command (USCENTCOM) and both held Joint commands at highest levels of the US military
Thats called credible sources
U.S Marine Corps reported In an "alarming host of problems" with "lack of progress in almost every essential area" to bring it closer to a combat ready state.
You just love posting misinformation
First , the USMC made no such statement
The actual statement reads
"U.S. Marine Corps Captain Dan Grazier highlighted “a host of alarming problems” and “the F-35’s lack of progress in nearly every essential area” to bring it closer to a combat ready state"
This article by Dan Grazier originally appeared in The Project on Government Oversight on March 19, 2019.
Just posting misinformation is all you are doing
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@arcontez9327
So whole paragraph of nonsense
The F-35 has been flying since 2006 and you posted the 11 accidents it has in 16 years operation
lets compare that
The Indian air force has lost 11 Su-30MKI since 2000
oh look
On Jun 27 2018 , Sukhoi 30 MKI being tested crashes in Nashik, pilots ejected safely
4 years ago, the exact same thing happened to India's top jet
aircraft lost during test
Oh look the Rafale has also had a number of incidents
Yet again
In Sept 24, 2009
A Rafale being test again, lost
Amazing how idiots trying to knock the F-35 incidents with zero clue that the F-35s problems not unique to it
The 11 incidents you hilariously mentioned have happened to every modern air force
An issue that risks damage to the F-35's tail section if the aircraft needs to maintain supersonic speeds is not worth fixing and will instead be addressed by changing the operating parameters, the F-35 Joint Program Office told Defense News in a statement Friday.
Nice cherry picking
Lets add the complete story
Supersonic flight is not a big feature of the F-35,” Clark said. “It’s capable of it, but when you talk to F-35 pilots, they’ll say they’d fly supersonic in such limited times and cases that — while having the ability is nice because you never know when you are going to need to run away from something very fast — it’s just not a main feature for their tactics.”
In fact, going supersonic obviates the main advantages of the F-35, Clark said. “It sort of defeats all the main advantages of the F-35,” he explained. “It takes you out of stealthiness, it burns gas like crazy so you lose the range benefits of a single engine and larger fuel tank. When you go into afterburner, you are heating up the outside of your aircraft.”
As I said, a real scam and a whole pile of (barely) flying garbage.
As I said, you have zero clue
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@PuppyPinky
How about no
Russia's weapons against the US was GPS jammers and now thanks to Ukraine, they know exactly how it works and what it does
More to the point, there is ample time for the US to send variety options for Ukraine to test out for them
NASAMS, IRIS-T SLM and Patriot are network centric when means they transmit data in real time
Like the GPS jammers, the US and EU are also giving Ukraine different missiles for those systems to see how do in real world
The West has been getting real time data about Russian missile attacks, aircraft as well as capabilities of Russian EW
The KA-52 and Mi-28 attacks have shown that Stinger and Starstreak will be ineffective against Russian gunships which can attack as from as far 8 miles
Thus the US is dusting the SLAMRAAM (Surface Launched AMRAAM) and Complementary Low-Altitude Weapon System (CLAWS) which uses AIM-9Xs and AIM-120
What does Panstir S1, T-90,Krasukha and Khibiny have in common, all captured and in Western hands
Lastly ,you are forgetting the key thing about stockpiles
By giving Ukraine, stockpiles , the West gets rid of millions of tons of weapons that they would have had to spend a fortunate on demilitarization
Now they get to buy newer and more modern weapons. Thanks to Russia, those weapons have the lessons learned from Ukraine
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Army is likely interested to see what tech can be retrofitted to the Abrams
They may bridge the Decisive Lethality Platform with upgraded Abrams SEPV5 or even revive the M1A3 for high low mix
As for the 130mm
No likely
two key points, Ukraine and depleted uranium
Ukraine forces have captured and turned over T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90s to west
While the armor packs may not been up to spec, the tanks themselves still yield valuable data as for weak points as well exactly thickness of the armor in key locations
If the T-72B3, T-80BVM andT-90M did have actual Relikt ERA installed , then West will able to accurate performance data on how well their armor-piercing, fin-stabilized, discarding sabot (APFSDS) perform against Russia's second best ERA
Countries in EU have banned their militaries from using depleted uranium rounds. This is where is get funny
The belief was that the existing 120mm rounds would be unable to penetrate Russia's newer ERAs like Relikt and Malachit hence the development of the 130mm
The West acquisition of Russian armor will make or break the 130mm gun. The US has no such restrictions with DU hence why they are bullish about the 130mm
Tungsten rounds can achieve penetration but DU has penetration plus additional effects. DU is naturally self sharpening. So even against composite armor, it still retains its shape. Tungsten is not naturally self sharpening and will blunt depending on the composite armor. DU is very dense metal, only few metal and alloys are denser than DU. DU''s most prized effect is that its pyrophoric, it literally self ignites
When the round makes contact, its burns and remains sharp. That combination has proven to highly effective against armor
The West acquisition of Russian armor, specially allow the US to test out the effectiveness of its new M829 round
If the US quietly announces M829A5 or they are trying their hat into 130mm program
it probadly means that results were not stellar.
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@Ruby Lively
The DOJ has him dead to rights and he knows it
When Biden won, instead of committing to the transition of power, Trump spent trying to overturn the election. Since he wasted that time,plus his statements that he wasnt going any where, he can't claim that the documents being there was accident during his transition out of office. its clearly shown that he wasted that time
Secondly when the president leaves office, all documents are supposed to go NARA, once again instead of complying with the
NARA, Trump decided that he would give what he wanted ,not what the law required. By doing what he wanted and not what the law required
He opened the door for the DOJ.
He claimed that NARA was "quote" satisfied with him turning over documents? which they fired back very quickly by stating at no point they did any ever say that
His whole defense relies unsubstantiated claims
He knows full if this goes to trial, the courts want facts not fiction. He was no facts , just a lot fiction that the court won't give them the time of day
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@JethroBodineWhooWee69
Thats not what was said
Miley's statement
Milley said Russia has lost "strategically, operationally and tactically" during a joint news conference with the US Defence Secretary, Lloyd Austin, The Guardian reported
General Mark Milley, Chairman of US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said that neither Russia nor Ukraine is likely to achieve their military aims, and he believes the war will end at the negotiating table,
With Ukraine's current capability and the restrictions in place , that may be true
however if the West lifted all restrictions
Ukraine would be able eject Russia from its territory in a matter of weeks
The HIMARS's deadliest weapon is the ATACMS which can strike targets up 190 miles away carry 500lbs warhead
Ukraine only has the M31 with 200lbs
and 50 mile. The ATACMS would allow Ukraine to strike Russian targets at 3.5 times further
The Ukrainian air force MiG-29 and Su-27 are basically useless
Ukraine with F-16C/D Block 50/52 with CART and KC-130s would change that
unlike the MiG-29and Su-27
The F-16 can fully use the AGM-88 in all modes
additional the F-16 can carry JDAMs, MAVERICK, PAVEWAYS and most importantly Harpoons
As the F-16 has the MIL-STD data bus
it can be equipped with European made KEPD-30 and Storm Shadows
The CART allows the F-16 to use drogue for aerial refueling
Aerial refueling would allow F-16 to strike the Black Sea Fleet any where in the Black Sea
KEPD-30 and Storm Shadows would allow Ukraine level Novorossiysk and Sevastopol.effectively putting out of commission completely
Both missiles 300 mile range allows them to attack without getting in range of S-400 or R-37s
If the West lifted all restriction
this would not end at the table
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@ragingmonk6080
Incorrect
The only country that went down the road to making their MiG-29 compatible with NATO standard weapons is Romania with the MIG-29 Sniper program
The only things that Poland and Slovak did was communication, navigation and,electronics
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Slovakia
“The MiG-29s were upgraded in the years 2004-2006, including with NATO-compatible communication and navigation systems,” the Defence Ministry said in a statement. “Slovakia’s 11 remaining MiG-29s will reach the projected end of service life between 2029-2035.”
Poland
new open architecture avionics suite includes a multifunction colour display, mission computer, INS/GPS navigation, up-front control panel, digital video recorder and databus, plus a Rockwell Collins RT-8200 UHF/VHF radio. WZL-2 also provides a new briefing and debriefing system, developed in conjunction with IAI's Lahav unit.
Neither added western weapon capability
So like I said
Unless they have been upgraded to carry NATO standard weapons , its basically an exercise in futility
Ukraine needs heavy weapon capability
Harpoon, KEPD-350, Maverick , PAVEWAY
They have JDAMs but thats a start
Ideally, CBU-87 Combined Effects Munition (CEM) would be perfect dealing with Russian convoys but sadly that is unlikely to happen
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@Anita-k
Blowing depots is good but material is equally as important
S-400, S-300, Buk, Tor ,Panstir S1, EW equipment, communication points, airfields with KA-52, Mi-28 and Mi-35
Those are the material Ukraine forces should be going after
Without air defense protecting the sky, the Ukraine air force can come off the bench and take a more active role
Without KA-52, Mi-28 and Mi-35, Ukrainian armor can more much for freely and also take more active role
Knocking out those targets pays dividends for Ukraine in several ways
Depots destruction slows them down but replacing those assets is hard
Russia's inventory of KA-52 is barely 200 and they have lost 14 in Ukraine already
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Ultimately in order to drive Russia out of Ukraine, Ukraine need 3 pieces
The first is knocking out the remaining surface combatants and 4 Kilo class subs of the Black Sea fleet
Why that matters, without those ships, Russia's ability to strike from the sea neutralized, Russia's ability to blockade Ukraine also done
Russian forces resupplying from ships , again gone. Taking out the Black Sea assets would be massive blow to Russian operations in Ukraine
For this they need long range precision strike capability. While the HIMARS missiles have 200lbs warhead,, the Harpoon 487lbs does more destruction per missile
Why the Harpoon
The newer blocks of the Harpoon have both land and sea attack capability and range between 75 to 150 miles. Besides have 3 times the range of the HIMARS M31s but slightly shorter than the ATACMS, the key advantage to Harpoon is that launchers on trucks are quad packed. With ATACMS its 1 on HIMARS and 2 on the M270
The Harpoon coastal units carry 4 missiles. , So with the Harpoon , you more missiles per launcher
The Harpoon's ability to attack both land and sea targets give Ukraine the ability to neutralize the black sea fleet as well strike other high value targets on land
As the Harpoon's warhead is like dropping GBU-12
The next piece is integrated air defence system (IADS)
With IADS, It puts the already strained Russian aviation assets in difficult position as well provides protection against cruise missile attacks
The last piece is their aviation assets
If Ukraine get long range strike capability with the Harpoon and a functioning IADS, that gives them time for the last piece
Missiles are good but aircraft are better
The only plane for this job is the F-16 and its amazing simple
The F-16 has the CART CFT which allows to use drogue instead of boom which means that Ukrainian air force cause Su-27s as tankers
The Ukrainian air force only need 5 weapons, AIM-9Rs and AIM-120C-5 which are both late 90s tech so even if they ended up in Russian hands
they are still decades out dated, AGM-65s and GBU-10/12/16 and AGM-84 again , the US has plenty of older models from the late 90s that wouldnt betray anything to Russia if they got their hands on it. Same goes for the 20mm gun. The F-16 is also LANTRIN capable which is still in use and again old tech
If Ukraine gets all of these
its game over for Russian forces
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Thats true but time is one thing they can't give Ukraine
Ultimately in order to drive Russia out of Ukraine, Ukraine need 3 pieces
The first is knocking out the remaining surface combatants and 4 Kilo class subs of the Black Sea fleet
Why that matters, without those ships, Russia's ability to strike from the sea neutralized, Russia's ability to blockade Ukraine also done
Russian forces resupplying from ships , again gone. Taking out the Black Sea assets would be massive blow to Russian operations in Ukraine
For this they need long range precision strike capability. While the HIMARS missiles have 200lbs warhead,, the Harpoon 487lbs does more destruction per missile
Why the Harpoon
The newer blocks of the Harpoon have both land and sea attack capability and range between 75 to 150 miles. Besides have 3 times the range of the HIMARS M31s but slightly shorter than the ATACMS, the key advantage to Harpoon is that launchers on trucks are quad packed. With ATACMS its 1 on HIMARS and 2 on the M270
The Harpoon coastal units carry 4 missiles. , So with the Harpoon , you more missiles per launcher
The Harpoon's ability to attack both land and sea targets give Ukraine the ability to neutralize the black sea fleet as well strike other high value targets on land
As the Harpoon's warhead is like dropping GBU-12
The next piece is integrated air defence system (IADS)
With IADS, It puts the already strained Russian aviation assets in difficult position as well provides protection against cruise missile attacks
These first two , Ukraine forces can get in short order but if this drags on, then Ukraine can get the last piece at which point Russian is done
The last piece is their aviation assets
Missiles are good but aircraft are better
The only plane for this job is the F-16 and its amazing simple
The F-16 has the CART CFT which allows to use drogue instead of boom which means that Ukrainian air force cause Su-27s as tankers
The Ukrainian air force only need 5 weapons, AIM-9Rs and AIM-120C-5 which are both late 90s tech so even if they ended up in Russian hands
they are still decades out dated, AGM-65s and GBU-10/12/16 and AGM-84 again , the US has plenty of older models from the late 90s that wouldnt betray anything to Russia if they got their hands on it. Same goes for the 20mm gun. The F-16 is also LANTRIN capable which is still in use and again old tech
If Ukraine gets all of these
its game over for Russian forces
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Ultimately in order to drive Russia out of Ukraine, Ukraine need 3 pieces
The first is knocking out the remaining surface combatants and 4 Kilo class subs of the Black Sea fleet
Why that matters, without those ships, Russia's ability to strike from the sea neutralized, Russia's ability to blockade Ukraine also done
Russian forces resupplying from ships , again gone. Taking out the Black Sea assets would be massive blow to Russian operations in Ukraine
For this they need long range precision strike capability. While the HIMARS missiles have 200lbs warhead,, the Harpoon 487lbs does more destruction per missile
Why the Harpoon
The newer blocks of the Harpoon have both land and sea attack capability and range between 75 to 150 miles. Besides have 3 times the range of the HIMARS M31s but slightly shorter than the ATACMS, the key advantage to Harpoon is that launchers on trucks are quad packed. With ATACMS its 1 on HIMARS and 2 on the M270
The Harpoon coastal units carry 4 missiles. , So with the Harpoon , you more missiles per launcher
The Harpoon's ability to attack both land and sea targets give Ukraine the ability to neutralize the black sea fleet as well strike other high value targets on land
As the Harpoon's warhead is like dropping GBU-12
The next piece is integrated air defence system (IADS)
With IADS, It puts the already strained Russian aviation assets in difficult position as well provides protection against cruise missile attacks
The last piece is their aviation assets
Missiles are good but aircraft are better
The only plane for this job is the F-16 and its amazing simple
The F-16 has the CART CFT which allows to use drogue instead of boom which means that Ukrainian air force cause Su-27s as tankers
The Ukrainian air force only need 5 weapons, AIM-9Rs and AIM-120C-5 which are both late 90s tech so even if they ended up in Russian hands
they are still decades out dated, AGM-65s and GBU-10/12/16 and AGM-84 again , the US has plenty of older models from the late 90s that wouldnt betray anything to Russia if they got their hands on it. Same goes for the 20mm gun. The F-16 is also LANTRIN capable which is still in use and again old tech
If Ukraine gets all of these
its game over for Russian forces
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Ukraine is simply exposing how badly Russian forces conventional capabilities are lacking
if the US was in Ukraine, it would have been over a long time ago
What Ukraine has show is that Russian lacks Persistent Air Support (PAS) , SEAD, and intel
For SEAD, the US has EA-18Gs, F-16CJ, and EC-130s for dealing with air defense
So far ,Russia has been able to neutralize Ukraine's Soviet Era SAMs but not the newer Western systems
The US would be actively hunting and destroying SAMSs
With SAMS out of the picture, PAS with MQ-9s would actively hunting MLRS and artillery
unlike loitering munitions, the MQ-9s carries Hellfires ,and JDAMs which will 100 percent destroy would they hit
If Russia made drones like the MQ-9, HIMARS launchers and other SPAs would have been destroyed long ago
Lastly Russian intel
Ukraine's president has been traveling back and forth with ease
The US would have been had F-22s or MQ- waiting
Others areas that Russia is lacking is aircraft capabilities
All US aircraft have targeting pods for precision strike
Russian aircraft dont have pods and that is why so many of their strike aircraft have been lost
they are getting within MANPAD range and getting smoked
22 Su-34s lost
The F-15E across 7 conflicts is fraction of that
its possible for carriers to come under attack but impossible for that to be destroy as easily as others claim
Lockheed has developed 500kW DEW for the Army and the DDGX is planned to have 600kW
if the USN commits to SM-6s launched by F-18s, 500-600Kw laser weapons to DDG and CVNs, PAC-3s along SM-6s from VLS and Hyper Velocity Projectile (HVP) from Mk-45 guns and an working Countermeasure Anti-Torpedo (CAT) system with Anti-Torpedo Torpedo
Good luck with that
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@ZOV24-2-22
How about no
FPV drones are working in Ukraine because both sides are ill equipped to deal with tme
There are a few solutions to the FPV issue however one that is gaining traction is upgrading active protection system (APS) with additional launchers with programmable airburst round either low velocity HEDP 40mm rounds or high velocity 30mm AHEAD rounds so adding the new features to the existing assets allow them to test options for counter drones
Second, the US wouldnt have Ukraine problems in a conflict
Russian forces are caught unaware 90 percent of the time
US forces have Joint Battle Command-Platform (PM JBC-P) which is carried by all forces and can be equipped even to HMWVVs
For battle management and airborne ground surveillance . the USAF used the E-8 JSTARS giving forces on ground real time info on enemy movement
Even though the USAF retired it, the US Army has been allowed to buy a replacement for it
While Russia doesnt take SEAD/DEAD seriously
The US has EA-18G, F-16CJ, EC-130H ,Rivet Joint and Combat Sent as well as E/A-37 in RD and the bulk of US aircraft can use the AGM-88., ADM-141 and ADM-160s
The US has a whole arsenal devoted to destruction of enemy defenses and also thanks to Iraq and Afghn, Electronic warfare sensors are far more precise
Lastly, the US wrote the book on drone warfare with the MQ-1 and MQ-9
As the US takes SEAD/DEAD seriously, Ukraine wouldnt have SAMs to target aircraft and the US would have its airborne ground surveillance , AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft opening with impunity
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@yellowtunes2756
t's about flying without being interfered by enemy planes, which is the case for Russia-Wrong true air superiority is total and complete control of the battlespace
It's impossible to destroy every piece of equipment on the opposite side- Wrong
USA lost 10k planes and helicopters in Vietnam.- You best statement is war decades ago that has nothing to with modern warfare
your copium is hilarious
Lets get the propaganda out of the way, if Russia destroyed 10 himars and 6 pzh2000 in August, they would have wasted no time parading the wreckage for the world to see yet nada.
US military developed Persistent Air Support (PAS) which allows for total control of the battlespace.
The first asset is the UAVs such as the MQ-9 which can function as both reconnaissance and strike asset
The second is the E-8 JSTARS provide Airborne ground surveillance (AGS) as well communicates with the MQ-9
The JSTARS also provides battle management and command/ control of aircraft. Russia has neither
The newer EA-18G can network together with multiple aircraft allow them generate targeting tracks for hostile radio-frequency sources in real time
They narrow targets to down to very very small areas. Again capability that Russia does not have
US aircraft carry Litening, LANTIRN and SNIPER XR targeting pod, Russia aircraft lack targeting pods
The only Russian aircraft with an actual targeting pod similar to the Western pods is the Su-57. The MIG-35 OLS is basically the 80s era Pave Spike pod
hopeless out dated
JDAM, PAVEWAY, JSOW, JASSM, HARPOON and SDB I/II are standard to virtually all US military strike aircraft
B-2 can't use PAVEWAYs or SDB I/II but it can use most everything else
Lets look at Russian aircraft
Not one Tu-95, Tu-22M or Tu-160 can use any of the KAB-series weapons ,more to the point only few aircraft can use them ?
Same with missiles. In short, the Russian air force virtually no commonality with weapons, its literally a sock draw of capabilities
The Russian air force convinced itself that SVP-24 was good as the western targeting pod and that has been proven false
The short comings of the Russia military is endless
Strange how the Su-33 and MIG-29K are on the sidelines
It's impossible to destroy every piece of equipment on the opposite side- Wrong
Its not about destroying every piece of equipment, its about rendering the enemy combat ineffective which the Russian air force isnt doing
The way you render an enemy combat ineffective by neutralizing their supplies and weapons
its 10 months later and that has yet to happen
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If Ukraine the time and numbers
that wouldnt matter
The JAS-39 is a lightweight powerhouse and Ukraine would do well with it but I think honestly, Ukraine will look for something else
Problem one
The F-16 can use AGM-88s while JAS-39 cant
The AGM-88 is essential for hunting SAMSs, jammer and other EW sites so its must for Ukraine
so if SAAB wants to sweeten the deal with Ukraine , they need to work on adding the AGM-88 s
Problem two
As Sweden is party to Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM), they wouldnt be able to add cluster munitions to the JAS-39
Ukraine has uses cluster munitions to great effect. While the Alternative Warhead (AW) which produces 182,000 pre-formed tungsten fragments over area has been some what effective
Ukraine has found that standard cluster munitions are far more effective both in anti personnel and anti materiel affects
Ukraine used ATACMS with cluster munitions to shred Russian bases. The F-16 can use CBU-87/89/97 cluster munitions while the JAS-39 due to CCM , SAAB cant support or even allow it
Lastly, the JAS-39 is only intergrated with KEPD-350 which Germany has refused to Ukraine. So for long range precision strike , its Storm Shadow which Lockheed can add
There is the possiblity of JASSM-A
Basically
With the F-16s , there are very few hurdles with weapons whereas the JAS-39 has alot
Honestly, the F-18E/F or Eurofigther Typhoon would be better in the future
Ukraine issue with EW and Jamming,
I wouldnt buy the EA-18G or Typhoon EK
I would follow the Israeli air force path with taking a business jet and making it in to EW platform as well AWACS
killing birds with one stone
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@1chish
No you just like to twist facts
SELEX (aka Leonardo) is similar to General Dynamics , a company that covers a wide array of defense programs , Like the GD, they have a hand in defense but not a world leader
The F-15EX uses two Advanced Display Core Processor (ADCP) II which can process as high as 87 billion instructions per second of computing throughput
Whats under the hood of the Typhoon again, nothing nowhere near that
The PIRATE IRST is built into the airframe is its limited both in size and capability
The Legion pod has vastly superior resolution and range and already has planned roadmap for increasing both resolution and network centric capabilities
The DragonEye's pod which is AESA has allows the F-15EX simultaneously to look in multiple directions. The pod can survey the ground allowing the main radar to maximize its search capability for aerial threats vs allocating T/R modules. In sense it gives the WSO his own radar to use
but by all mean continue with the pointless quotes that amount to nothing
FYI
The Air Force originally asked for funding to buy 33 F-35As in 2023, which was lower than the 48 the service asked for in 2022. Secretary Frank Kendall said the Air Force wanted to use the money freed up by buying fewer F-35s to develop the Next Generation Air Dominance platform, work on a new, advanced engine for the F-35 and more quickly bring on the F-15EX Eagle II
Dec 7
Trying quote actual facts not months old garabage
The USAF is not walking back on the F-15EX as they need it for the ANG units and if they walk back, it would mean they would have divest precious F-35 and NGAD to ANG which they are not keen on doing
From the Sec Def Dec 3
Austin laid out some of the efforts the U.S. military is undertaking to strengthen that deterrence, including that on land, air and at sea.
In the fiscal year 2023 budget, he said, the Defense Department requested more than $56 billion for airpower. That is focused on the F-35 Lightning II, the F-15EX fighter, the B-21 Raider and other systems.
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@Drew Peacock
Shooting at 2500 miles is more advantage for the USN than China. Even if it does travel faster, time is still on the USN side
At Mach 20, or 13,050 miles per hour , its still 12 minutes roughly. The DF-series is only a real threat at closer ranges like 700 miles on down
The SM-3 and SM-6 are both expensive 19 mil for the SM-3 and 5 for the SM-6 however CVNs are billions each. 6-9 bill for CVN-68 class and 10 plus for CVN-78s class
The planned buy for SM-6 is 1800 missiles at a cost of 6.5 billion and 300 plus for the SM-3. The USN plans to replace the existing SM2 with SM-6. The wrinkle is that USN has been successively upgrading the SM-6 which is making it more capable but also more expensive. Same with SM-3, its been successively to be more capable but has it made extremely expensive per shot.
https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/sm-3/
With 10 carriers group with 20 missiles per, thats 200 SM-3 deployed hence why the USN is upgrading the SM-6 with SM-3 technology, its not as expensive so they can afford to fire more.
There are other options but the SM-3 and SM-6 are the only ones with highest chance one shot one kill
The USN has no ship for its railgun yet. The HVP rounds from the 5 inch guns are promising but still years away from being practical
In order to kill a missile like the DF-21/26, you need a 300 kW plus per shot. The DDG-1000 has the power but the cost of modding it would be expensive
DDG-51 dont have the power unless you remove one its VLS and replace it would generator/capacitor
The only choice is the LPD-17s but no one made 300 kW weapon yet, everything is below 100 kW
BeiDou-1' will only get the missile to the target area, its own seeker has to find the target. The seeker will face heavy jamming
They can operate at max range but that makes it easier for the USN to target and destroy. Max range gives the target a lot of time to pay with
TLAM: Range 1,300km to 1,700km depending on the variant.
- JASSM: Range 370 km.
- JSOW-ER: Range 22km to 130km depending on the altitude it's released from.
- JSM: Estimates range from 280km to 560km.
- LRASM: Estimates range from 370km to 560km.
Wrong info
The JASSM A range is 370 where JASSM-B range is over 1000 km
JSOW-ER range is 560 km, 22-130 is baseline JSOW
Secondly sub launch is low threat for the sub. First it wont launch if ships are nearby second, once its launch how exactly will China counter attack a sub?
unless they get lucky and have sub nearby , ? Even with nearby sub, the bulk of the PLAN subs are diesel , they dont have fuel to chase down a US SSN
Also launching is easy way to draw enemy ships and subs into a trap
Even anti sub marine aircraft would still need to close enough. Once the sub fires, its going deep and heading home
China or Russia can't possibly be attacked until the threat from their IADSes and anti-ship missiles has been neutralised and we don't currently have any way of achieving that.
Again wrong
Russia is bordered by how many countries. Remember the cold fear was thousands of russian tanks invading the EU. The US can easily go through the EU on ground and knock Russia defenses and missile via special forces or aircraft. China has the same problem well protected like Russia in pacific but there is a backdoor in Arabian sea Bengal bay. Dont assume that US is going to attack from only one direction. Yes battle plans for a major shit storm in pacific but there are other ways into Russia and China
Thirdly the proposed launch aircraft are the B-1B, B-52 and F-15, all of which are unstealthy.They could all be shot down by J-20s and other ground-based aircraft, carrier-based aircraft or ship-based anti-air missiles.
False
The PLAN/PLAAF lack the tankers to extend the J-20 range far enough to intercept. Using 1000 miles as base line, the J-20 would have be orbiting at 1200 plus miles
Also again assuming that they wont overlfy India or Pakistan, Afghan, Taji , Kry Banagladesh , Myanmar.
Nepal is just 400 miles from the Bay of Bengal so they can launch from there too
B-1s and B-52 can launch without threat
The S-400 rated up to Mach 15 , the ARRW is Mach 20
Why are missiles being built that for the most part clearly aren't fit for purpose and don't have sufficient range?
its not about the missile, its how you use it
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@theimmortal4718
That depends on terrain
if the site position correctly with the Panstir S1 with clear lines of sight , drones and loitering munitions wont be problem but if you have obstructions
then yes, by time the system pick it up, its already to late
The 30mm cannons of the S1 can deal with drones and loitering munitions.
If Russia had sense, they would have developed airburst data link rounds like the US did for its counter drone weapons
The drone problem is not a big one. and there are simple solutions which the US practices religiously. Destroy them at the source
While hunting the Taliban and insurgent, the US military discovered that 3 EA-1G networked together can generate targeting tracks for hostile radio-frequency sources in real time. They can trilaterate signal to very very small area. Drones and Loitering munitions still give off RF which Growlers can track and send the data to F-15E which in turn can use their AN/ASQ-236 Radar Pod -Dragon pod and recon the location where the drones were launched from
Depending the situation, the F-15E either smokes the target or relies to ground assets to possible capture some systems intact
The ground asset would be the first chance as intact systems provides a means for EW to defeat the drone or Loitering munitions without guns or missiles
Simple GPS spoofing could send them harmless into fields or you could return to sender via spoofing
Drones and Loitering munitions are not problems, they just require a lot creatively
As I stated before, once 150kW laser weapons become operational, that problem becomes moot
If you have say 4 Stryker MGS configured with 150kW laser. As long as it properly cooled , large enough power source , network-centric warfare
Cooperative Engagement Capability and able to fire rapidly against multiple targets
4 units could take down 100 drones or Loitering munitions
This would work today with using Oerlikon 35 mm with AHEAD rounds but instead of 2 guns with 550 rounds each
1 gun with 1100 rounds and magazine that can be loaded even when the gun is firing
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@Drew Peacock
The DF-26 wont be used against ships. First its range is 2500 miles which does give it reach but also gives the target 20 minutes. Thats ample time for SM-3s or SM-6s to make an intercept as well time for electronic warfare to jam the missile. The DF-26 like all missiles still requires course updates to stay on target. Ships are moving targets whereas targets like bases and port are fixed and require no additional support.
If used close to China, odds are ,they can counter the jamming as well jam the USN DDG and CGs radar but launching it at max range put its out of range of support and in range of USN defense. The DF series is only real threat at closer ranges. At 700 miles, time to target is just 5 min 30 secs. Its still lot time but less than what they would have at 2500 miles
Lastly in the pacific , the USN is going to be making heavy use of cruise missiles like TLAM, JASSM, JSOW-ER ,JSM and LRASM.
Ultimately China's nightmare will be the AGM-183A. The ARRW tops out at mach 20. From 2500 miles , its 11 minutes
at 1250, 5 min 44 secs
If the ARRW has the range, then the USN problems with the DF-series would be over.
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@Drew Peacock
"You didn't address my comments above about UNREP and the DF-26"
That would be a waste of time as using DF-26 ships is waste of time
A destroyer or cruiser at max speed can change its position by 11 miles , CVN at max speed by over 17 miles. Even ship at 20 knots would be able to change its position by 8 miles.
The DF-26s at max range cant target ships accurately
The DF-series is only target at closer range. thats the point
Assuming those figures are correct, there are currently 68 active Arleigh Burkes and 22 active Ticonderogas in the USN. That's 90 ships in total.
300 SM-3s works out at 3 per ship. As I said, they're so expensive I didn't think ships would carry many and this figure confirms it.
No, wrong metric. There 10 carrier battle groups with 4 to 5 CG/DD per group. One ship with 20 SM-3 works out to 200 missiles with 20 missiles per battle group
its simpler to equip per battle group than per ship. They are planning to have enough SM-6s per ship but the SM-3 cost limits it to per battle group
here are other options but the SM-3 and SM-6 are the only ones with highest chance one shot one kill
What are the other options? DEWS weapons
One shot one kill is very optimistic when it comes to shooting down extremely fast ballistic anti-ship missiles. Missiles can always miss.
You didn't respond to my suggestions re other ways to take out DF-21s and DF-26s.
The problem with those methods is that they are terminal phase weapons whereas the SM-3 can intercept boost ,mid course and terminal, phase the SM-6 is mid course and terminal phase
How so? They've already been tested
Firing 20 rounds is not operational clearance. All that does is show that the gun can handle HVP ammo
They havent done a complex firing like they do with SM-3 and SM-6 against maneuvering targets
They can operate at max range
Well you're contradicting yourself now. You originally claimed DF-21 and DF-26 couldn't operate at maximum range
SMH
with 20 minutes to spare
A destroyer or cruiser at max speed can change its position by 11 miles , CVN at max speed by over 17 miles. Even ship at 20 knots would be able to change its position by 8 miles.
the DF-26 range is 2500, just by moving 8 miles , you are out of its effective range. When you fire a weapon at targets at the edge of its range, odds are, the target will move out of range every time
Not in an environment where there are enemy subs, sub-hunting ships & helicopters, carrier aircraft in the air, maritime patrol aircraft, geostationary satellites, over-the-horizon radar, a seabed sonar network and surface and underwater drones.
unless they are close by, it all of that is worthless. Like I said, they wont launch if enemy ships are present and the PLAN does have not ships to cover the pacific
even with over watch, aircraft still have to reach the target area or by near by. You still have to get the weapon to target
you are assuming best case that they get lucky but USN is not just launch a TLAM with an enemy with 100 miles of it
a seabed sonar network may be able to track it but once its goes it deep and slows to 5 knots, its a ghost
Heading home? Why would a sub head home after firing a TLAM?
Why would I stick around after letting the enemy know I am here. I would head home for safety
as you stated
its environment where there are enemy subs, sub-hunting ships & helicopters, carrier aircraft in the air, maritime patrol aircraft, geostationary satellites, over-the-horizon radar, a seabed sonar network and surface and underwater drones.
Shoot and scoot tactics
"The US can easily go through the EU on ground and knock Russia defenses and missile via special forces or aircraft.
Which aircraft exactly? Using which ordnance exactly?
As for special forces, how are they going to get into Russia in the first place?
China has the same problem well protected like Russia in pacific but there is a backdoor in Arabian sea Bengal bay.
Arabian Sea? Bay of Bengal? How are they backdoors to China?"
You are moron point blank,
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@alexnderrrthewoke4479
Why is impossible for you idiots to write one comment, thats so hilarous that you can't gather your thoughts one time, you have to reply as fast as you can ???
When has the Merkava fought other tanks ? The first and only time was in 1982
The Merkava is designed specially for urban warfare.
90 percent of its fighting has been asymmetric warfare, not actual combat
Can Merkava survive against enemy with
substantial capabilities like airpower or heavy artillery
Nope
Shield star wars type system. We are not far from there.-seriously
The only system in development can barely stop an RPG-7 and that requires massive amount of power
exaggerating.
What does the WW and WW2 have to do with modern warfare
Not a damn thing
The US military can use ARRWs to knock S-400 and Buk out while EA-18G jam and destroy Panstir S1, Tunguska and Tor systems
Without those defenses, armor is basically screwed
The F-15E can carry up sixteen 500lbs bombs or 28 GBU-53s with 105 warheads
a flight of 4 is 112 GBU-53s or 64 GBU
with 4 F-22s in top
Fun fact,500lbs bombs can be launched 10 miles away while GBU-53 up 45 miles
while out of range of MANPADS
In all , the US can commit 12 planes
F-15E for strike , F-22 for CAP, EA-18G for jamming, 1 AWACS and 1 JSTARS
Even if the enemy scrambles fighters, the F-22 will keep them busy while F-15E work and even then, there is no guarantee that they will make in time
So bother with logistics boon of trying to bring armor to bear when your aerial assets can easily destroy the enemy whole sale
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@hughmungus2760
Again
its called time to target
Even with bigger booster is not going to negate the distance the ASAT has to travel
12000 miles away at Mach 20 is still 45 min
Ample time for counter an ASAT
You do realize that China also rely on its sats for targeting the DFs again moving both communication and location
Once both sides go ASAT either other, its going get messy very quickly
Unlike China ,the US has options
The DF launchers are not going be "located deep inland, several hundred miles from the coast"
it called simple math, the further inland, the missile, the further out it has to travel
By placing located deep inland, several hundred miles from the coast , you are reducing its effective range
The USN is only going bring its carriers to a distance of 600 miles away. At that range, its aircraft only need one trip to tanker in and out
secondly it gives them nearly 5 minutes of reaction again DFs
Even without CVNs ,nearbly, Growlers can still be refuel in the air by F-18 with buddy store
The Growlers and Hornets fly as package, once they reach the edge of the combat space, they top off
The F-18 with buddy store depart to refuel while Growlers begin the operation
They are not looking for a different frequency, they are looking for source emission and location
They are looking to see where the signal is coming from
You have chinese military communications coming from the forest
then something might be there
You have chinese military communication coming from a warehouse
You take the location and compare with road ways
These locations have road ways that lead right to coast line to large open spaces with asphalt
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@Mordalo
Ah yes, denial
The US would easily dominate both Russia and China ," Notion that The US could not win against Russia currently. We could not win against China either" is pure propaganda
lets recap
The USN DDGs and CGs all have the MK-41 1 Vertical Launching System which allows USN ships to mix and match between 90 to 122 missiles depending on ship class
The Russian navy only ships with VLS is frigates and the 2 Kirovs'. The rest of their fleet is The Slava , Sovremenny and Udaloy class are woefully out of dated and obsolete
The Chinese has upgraded their Type-52D with VLS and the newer Type-55 ,however pound for pound, the USN still out guns both Russian and Chinese ships
The Chinese Type-52D VLS capacity is 64 cells while the DDG-51 class is 90-96 cell. The Type-055 carries 112 while Ticonderoga class carries 122
Most importantly, the US RIM-162 ESSM can be quad-packed 4 missiles in 1 cell which allows USN ships to carry more missile per cell and substantially more missiles than both China and Russia ships
The US military greatest strength is tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft which again China and Russia lacks
The Russian military only has a handful of Il-78 tankers and rest is buddy store kits. The Chinese are in same boat but far worst as their only tanker is the modded H-6
The Chinese planned Y-20U tanker only carries up 90 tons of fuel
The US has KC-135, KC-10, KC-130, MC-130 and other assets for aerial refueling , Sorry but when it comes to keeping aircraft airborne , neither Russia or China can complete
Same with AWACS and C4ISTAR , the US has plenty while Russia and China have very little to know
Ah yes the famous missiles designed to intercept those assets , sorry no such luck. The newer models of air to air models can shoot does missiles out of the sky
The AIM-120D FR3 and AIM-260 in testing both have upgraded seekers sensitive enough to target missiles like the R-37 ,PL-21 and PL-15
China's claim DF-21/26 and Russian Kinzhal are easily countered with range. Idiots like you dont understand that concept
By staying at long range, the USN maximizes its interception capabilities
Even though simple math is too much for
The DF-21 claims Mach 10 with 1000 miles range which means it needs 8 mins to reach its target, at 500 miles 3 min 56, the closer the USN gets, the less time they have so why would the USN get close when they ample tankers to send their aircraft over 1000 miles away
they wouldnt clown
The Kinzhal is the same boat
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@Matt-yg8ub
That would false
For starters, Lockheed is not invested in the shell business, their bread and butter are missiles. Secondly you are forgetting about cost and capabilities.
So that round that cost 5,000 means that it has room to grow. The Excalibur started out 260,000 per round in 2016, by 2018, it dropped to 70,000 per round
As its cost has dropped. there investments to give the round laser guided for moving targets as well MMW seeker for all weather fire and forget
plus additional investments for more advanced seekers and different payloads. That round cost has grown to 112,000 but the additional capabilities that has makes procurement that much easier. Lastly, the USN would prefer not to have to expend that million dollar missile unless absolutely necessary
Raytheon who makes the Excalibur received a $56.6 million contract in 2012, then 54 mil in 2013, then another 52 in 2014
Raytheon has been getting 50 mil per contract almost yearly
You forget the USN did canx the LRALP due its cost
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Its simple facts
US ships have flexibility whereas Russia ships are one trick ponies
The picture is of Slava class cruiser which main weapon 16 P-1000s for Anti-ship with the remaining missiles for self defense
While the P-1000 is powerful missile, it cant be used for anything beyond anti shipping. Its clones, the P-700 and P-800 can attack both ships and land targets however whereas the US TLAM range is over 900 miles. the P-700 range is 388 miles while the P-800 is 430. The Zircon range is 620 miles
The Russia missiles are fast and carry large warheads but lack range. The TLAM isnt fast but has excellent range and options
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19XXTArAGaM
The US Ticonderoga-class cruiser has 122 VLS for 122 missiles for AAW, BMD, ASW, ASuW, and Land attack. More to point, weapons like the ESSM can quad packed in one VLS cell. The Ticos also have space for 8 container launched missiles which can be Harpoon or LRASM. The newer models of Harpoon and the newer LRASM can attack both ships and land targets. The SM2 can attack both ships and aircraft, the SM-6 is designed for AAW, BMD, ASuW, and Land attack. and the TLAM can attack both ships and land targets
Now Russia with the Lider class is copying the USN MK-41 VLS with their own 3S14 VLS so their ships can also have the same flexibility as the USN ships
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