Comments by "wvu05" (@wvu05) on "Sam Seder’s Message To Dumdum Lefties Complaining About Cori Bush" video.

@interdimensionalsteve8172 The problem is that Kyle Kulinski never says anything bad about people who he considers to be friends, and most of his friends are grifters.
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@f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis Well, both are culling from the same anti-anti-Trump well, so it's hardly a surprise.
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@dextermorgan4686 Yes, because people like Clinton and Biden were so hated by Democratic primary voters and elected officials that he just needed to "fight harder." You probably believe that dishonest trick where Brianna Joy Gray insisted that if the squad just stood up long enough that they would prevent Pelosi from the gavel because she had less than 40% approval among all voters despite having nearly 70% approval among Democratic voters.
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@Regenmacher175 The guy you are responding to literally knows nothing, and he will just keep repeating his ignorance.
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@morenitomoreno1282 Yes, Kyle Kulinski criticizes figures on the right, but as long as he defends Jimmy Dore, it is fair to paint him with that brush.
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@kurtzFPV You are aware that there are sponsor lists, right? And since you think forcing a vote "puts everyone on the record," please explain why you think that it won't be a catch and release tactic of letting some people in lefty districts vote Yes to avoid primary challenges when they would never vote Yes if it had a chance of passing. Congratulations, you have just let people like Eliot Engel off the hook.
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@kurtzFPV Are you serious now? Do you think about your argument before you type, or are you just thinking Jimmy Dore Good and working backwards like some other guy who did the same thing last month? You keep saying "both candidates support," when one is so obviously faking it to weaken a primary opponent a la Tulsi Gabbard for both her sponsorship of Medicare for All (which she told Anderson Cooper is un-American) and supporting Bernie in 2016. I would much rather go with the sponsor list to start rather than waste everyone's time knowing that it will fail and giving someone an excuse to pretend to support it only to pull it away like Lucy and the football when it has an actual chance. And how did the Truman plan for health care work the second time around? Or the Nixon plan? Or Hillarycare?
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@kurtzFPV You ignored my other questions. How did the vote in the Truman proposal work the second time around? Or the Nixon plan? Or Hillarycare? And if it's so hard, how many Republicans got punished for changing their mind on ACA repeal once Trump became President and it was a realistic possibility? Also, and I ask this with every force the vote advocate, what have you done personally to build support for Medicare for All?
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@Sphaatikhaa Jimmy Dore is the Internet version of Lyndon Larouche, and his followers will wake up on the right and have no idea that it happened.
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@kurtzFPV Okay, the mere fact that you don't even understand the simple sentence construction about Larouche followers says all you need to know.
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@kurtzFPV "Repeated votes were more common in those days"? There was no second vote on any of them. When you lose on health care, it goes away for a generation, and what follows is invariably weaker than what preceded it. The Nixon plan was weaker than the Truman plan (which would have been akin to the NHS), and Edward Kennedy killed the Nixon plan because he was holding out for something better, even though that ended up being the best one he got in his lengthy career, Hillarycare was weaker than Nixon's, and the ACA was the Republican alternative to Hillarycare that Bill threatened to veto because it didn't go far enough. Norquist is able to make his pledge work because it is attached to campaign money. Medicare for All is fighting against money. Therefore, Norquist is completely irrelevant to the question at hand, just as the Tea Party is irrelevant to a lefty legislative agenda because they don't want to actually accomplish anything.
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@kurtzFPV What have I done? Canvassing in Philadelphia that was part of an effort that led to a member of Congress (Brendan Boyle) signing on to the bill, being a captain to a petition drive for the one candidate who wholeheartedly supported Medicare for All, reading an original short story at a fundraiser to benefit that candidate, petition drives, and a candidate for the WV House of Delegates in 2006 with a platform of single payer health care. Oh, and I don't support those who try to torpedo elected officials who actually support it or ignore the Supreme Court, which can kill Medicare for All in its cradle and possibly kill it for seniors or force everyone into Medicare Advantage.
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@kurtzFPV For the first decade of this century, HR 676 (the predecessor to the current bill written by Bernie in the Senate and Jayapal in the House which was written by Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers) never had more than 70 or 80 sponsors. The current version has 117. Failed votes aren't going to change that fact, except either to make it worse because the Soft Yes will be alienated. Colorado tried to get it statewide through a ballot initiative because of the polls that showed that it was popular. It got 21%. Polls show that a majority of people who talk about Medicare for All are really talking about a public option. I dealt with several people in petition drives who were obsessed with the idea of "not taking away people's health care" or "denying choice" (which is part of the reason why I think "support reproductive rights" is a better slogan than "pro-choice"). You don't see the votes come about a second time because health care legislation is by definition a lengthy process, and failing is going to lead a lot of time lost, and that is why it doesn't come back. It's not as simple as having a vote. Yes, Bernie showed that he could raise a lot of money, but the level of spending for a general election is completely different than a primary. Bernie raised hundreds of millions, but the general cost billions. I am all for putting more attention on state and local raises (as someone who raised all of $3400 in my campaign compared to my opponent's $20,000). However, that is clearly a long-term strategy to get things passed, and Force the Vote is a short-term strategy. A long term solution is what we need, because ignoring the mountain that we face is just going to leave people discouraged and reluctant to try again when it does fail.
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@jezra4427 First of all, he has no beliefs, other than what will make him money. Second, they don't listen to Jimmy Dore to hear him praise lefty policies, they listen to hear him trash lefty politicians.
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