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  509. ​ @LifeStrike2030  First of all, I have run for offiice (WV House of Delegates, 2006), so how many offices have you run for? Second of all, Green Party organization is notoriously poor because of the obsession with getting to 5% to get that sweet, sweet matching fund cash. Never mind the fact that the only independent or third party movement to get 5% or more in successive elections was Perot, and he got less than half the vote the second time around. (The next closest was the Socialist Party going from 6.1% in 1912 to 4.9% in 1916.) Never mind that Greens have tried for over 50 years and never topped 2.74% The Green Party is notorious for focusing its efforts on the top of the ballot at the expense of down ballot races, even when rules help them out. In Philadelphia, the Green Party ran a candidate in 2015 for at-large seats on city council. The logic was that voters only get to choose five, the top seven get elected, and everyone knows that the bottom Democratic candidate will more than double the top Republican, so use one of your votes to get us on City Council. The candidate got 11,000 votes, with 38,000 being the cut off. I only found out about it a few days before the election seeing a postcard at the train station explaining her strategy. In 2019, several other third parties got the same idea, and a Working Families Party candidate finished in the running. Four years later, both Working Families candidates won, reducing Republicans to the third party on city council (14-2-1, with Republicans winning one seat in NE Philly). Where were Greens the last two municipal elelections? Nowhere to be seen. This should have been a layup, and they didn't even try. Funny how they try hardest in races where their efforts help Republicans.
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  1727.  @carlosb5523  They are talking about the fact that a large portion of the population was told that they didn't need to be productive because their needs would be met. The malaise that followed was what Betty Friedan described in The Feminine Mystique. That being said, I think that you were replying to someone else, because my argument was about Yang wanting to destroy the existing social safety net. And you can talk about automation all you want, but there are two things that I saw when my family visited last month that tells me that it might not be what Yang says it will be, and another as to why his solution is inadequate if he is correct. First, the things that suggest the possibility that automation might not be the end of human labor: when my family came to visit, I took my daughter, my niece, and my parents to two different factory tours: Herr's Snack Factory and Visitors Center, and the Martin Guitar Factory Tour. Both places told something quite interesting: there were some places were human hands produced a bottleneck (a lacquer finish for the guitars, and peeling potatoes for the chips), and by automating those processes, they were able to hire more workers than they ever could have hired had those parts of the process been run by human hands. So, it is quite possible that other companies just might find that automation frees up more hands to be used in a more efficient way. After all, at one point in this country, 90% of the population worked on farms. Now, we produce more food than ever. And why if Yang is correct, his answer will cause more problems: if he is right about 1/3 of the jobs being gone with no replacement, the fact that he also wants to get rid of the existing social safety net and use a regressive tax to pay for it means a very bleak future for most of the population.
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  2876.  @CeceMack  That's not how it works, especially in a state where Trump won by 39 points. The last non-Manchin Democrat to hold statewide office was John Perdue, who was actually popular for finding literally millions of dollars in unclaimed funds for West Virginians. He lost to Capito's nephew by 13 points in 2020. There are no statewide elections in 2022. The state is losing a Congressional seat, but no Democratic challenger has been within single digits of a Republican incumbent in Congress this century (the closest was 16 points). Republicans have supermajorities in both houses of the legislature. Where is someone going to "pop up and build a reputation"? Do you think that Jennifer Garner is going to move back to West Virginia and win on star power? When Ben Nelson was in the Senate and actually had a voting record to the right of the most liberal Republican in the Senate for his first eight years in office (Chafee, 2001-07; Snowe, 2007-08), which has never been true of Manchin (Snowe, 2011-12; Collins, 2013-16; Murkowski, 2017-present), and Nelson represented a state where Republicans won by less than half of the margin Manchin has faced the last two cycles, no one gave him anywhere nearly as much grief. I want the most lefty candidate who can win. That is probably Gallego in Arizona. Sadly, it is definitely Manchin in West Virginia, and given that he barely held on against Morrissey in 2018 (who is a total charisma vacuum whose wife was a lobbyist for the leading manufacturer of Oxycontin), quite frankly it would probably take a miracle for him to survive in 2024.
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  3144.  @TheNastyTank  Projection isn't just for movie theaters. You literally posted a dictionary definition to try to prove your point. And it doesn't take a genius to figure out what the (pretty common, I think Stephen Colbert used a version of it to describe the Bush Administration) analogy of holding onto a belief regardless of what happens in the real world. Someone else pointed to the polio vaccine is an example of the Almighty Market making things worse. Looking at what has happened to public water systems when something that was seen as a public good got commodified is another example. The analogy works because you are talking hypothetical while others are talking about the real world. And for someone who insists that you aren't a libertarian (which does matter, because it is a question of looking at how things really are compared to how you think they ought to be), you sure do use their framing, such as insisting that there are counterexamples to the idea that consumerism will solve us all means that someone is a socialist or Marxist. If I were, I would say that the market works for nothing, but I have said that there are some things where the private sector doesn't work. The inability to see the difference is typical of not understanding that not everything fits into your preconceived notions is a tell-tale sign of a worldview that is obsessed with the hypothetical. Only one example is needed to disprove your argument, and I have given two. Even if you want to think that you get me good because you can think of an example that works, you haven't done so. Heck, I even think that deregulating the phone system has actually worked out for pretty much everybody.
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  3686.  @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas  It does, because if no one gets to 270, it goes to the House. Therefore, coalitions are encouraged by voters rather than parties. When there are close elections and a candidate becomes President without winning the popular vote, the winning margin comes from states where the President-elect got the electoral votes in states with a plurality of votes put him over the top, and third party voting made a key difference. In 2000, Bush got pluralities in states (including Florida) totaling 54 electoral votes. Based on how Nader voters would have voted had he not been on the ballot, Florida wouldn't have been close enough for the Supreme Court to steal it. Without those electoral votes, Bush only gets 217. In 2016, Trump won pluralities in states totaling 108 electoral votes, meaning that without them he only gets to 198. When people see how third parties help elect people whose views are farther away, fewer people vote third party the next time. In 2000, the total third party vote was 3.76% of the total. In 2004, it had fallen to 1.00%. In 2016, third party voting was 5.83% of the vote. In 2020, it had fallen to 2.03%. When actual voters see the consequences of voting third party, they move toward the major parties again. Even if a third party candidate were to catch fire, the best he/she could hope for would be to throw the election to the House... where it will be decided by Democrats and Republicans. Our system has always gravitated to two major parties for a reason.
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  3999. @Jack Tharp We wouldn't have any sort of modern economy if we were bound by the amount of gold we own. That's why every modern economy abandoned the gold standard and it's more prevalent in Third World countries. Yes, both parties have had debts and deficits, but since people like to throw around the family analogy, going into debt to buy a house is a lot different than going into debt to buy a bunch of stuff on Amazon. You are not getting how the phrase "spender of last resort" is used. It doesn't mean that the government never spends money, it means that there are times that it needs to spend when no one else will. There was also the government as employer of last resort. Not civil service positions, but temporary jobs to help remove the slack in the market. Yes, let us look at the successes: we are having this discussion on the internet (defense project) with products that were shipped via trucks (roads built by the government), trains (tracks built by the government), ships (ports maintained by the government), and planes (air control administered by the government). If you are in a rural area, you have electricity because government stepped in when the free market deemed it cost infleffective. If you went to public school, government again. If your water is not polluted, the EPA made sure it isn't. If you ate food, the FDA inspected it to make sure that it wasn't poisoned. As Sam told another debater, you think you are standing suspended in mid air, but you don't see the building supporting you.
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  4116.  @SportsZombie54  He also said that "Amazon would have to pay for every purchase," which was a ridiculous notion, because every study has shown that any consumption tax in any form gets completely passed onto the consumer. Do you consider books to be a luxury item? I don't. If it is only on luxury goods, it is by definition not a VAT, and it isn't enough to raise $2.5T. A VAT is a broad-based tax. The existing social safety net should not be either/or. Making people give up their existing benefits is the very definition of a right-wing UBI. The key distinction is whether or not is in addition to or instead of the existing benefits. Robert Reich proposed one that doesn't take away what people already get. There are some needs that are specific and acute, and a UBI is wholly inadequate to address them. Why force people in that situation to choose? Example: Of the few that he was willing to specify, Yang mentioned daycare subsidies. Imagine a single parent with two small children making $20,000/year. Since Yang doesn't support increasing the minimum wage, this is entirely feasible. Daycare for two kids is $1500/month. Therefore, it is either take the subsidy or quit the job. Since the former is clearly the best option, you are now making that person pay extra for goods, thus making his/her position worse in absolute dollars, and worse in relative dollars, because the friends from the job who don't have small children are now getting more money to spend. How is this progressive?
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  4543.  @3ld919  I do mean a fake leftist all along. Greenwald is a libertarian, and when you look at the Snowden story and what they really believe, it is obvious that he is hardly a hero and (considering the fact that he has outlasted so many dissidents in Russia), possibly an agent. I don't know if coordination is necessarily the correct term amongst the anti-anti-Trump crowd, but there is a lot of overlap. Probably the biggest gateway is caring more about being anti-establishment than any particular set of beliefs. I met Krystal Ball last year when she came to Philadelphia, and she is one of the most dangerous of all. It was at a DSA meeting, and she had the group eating out of her hand. I kept hearing her talking about how rewarding it was to write a book, and I waited in line and got my copy, as well as taking a picture with her and my then 4 1/2 year old daughter. When I got the book, I was shocked to find out that it was a brief essay about what I realized later was a red/brown alliance, and transcripts of the radars I can get for free online. I always thought it odd how often she went after Establishment Dems, but I just chalked it up to the nature of the primary, although her love for Yang and Tulsi suggested a blind spot. I still keep the picture and the book... as a reminder to always beware of possible grifters. My guess is that like Dave Rubin before them, they realized the money was in dumping on the left. The people behind them, on the other hand, are probably coordinating.
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  4908.  @MrMarket1987  The point is that when a bill for universal or near-universal health care fails, it kills any such legislation for a generation. Edward Kennedy learned that lesson when he killed the Nixon plan in 1971 because he wanted to hold out for something better. He spent 38 years trying and failing to get anything better. LBJ, arguably the most effective vote wrangler ever, knew this and only tried to get it for seniors, because he knew that was the best he could get. If you look at the four major pushes for universal or near-universal health care in the United States, not only does it go away when it fails, but each version gets weaker (Truman in 1948, Nixon in 1971, Clinton in 1993-94, Obama in 2009-10). Failure leads to more failure, but success tends to create a toehold as legislation tends to improve after it is passed (for example: Social Security didn't originally cover domestic and farm work). Medicare itself has expanded over the years as well. The ACA was an exception to the rule because Mitch McConnell has basically broken the United States government. The last major health care bill that passed before the ACA was Medicare Part D, and it was a hot mess, but Democrats worked with Republicans to improve the bill and make it work better. Besides, given the fact that literally one-seventh of the economy will rebel against this and throw everything they have at it, you don't need symbolic votes guaranteed to fail, you need a grassroots army mobilizing to educate and get people on board so they won't fall for the scare tactics of Harry and Louise. Given your username, I don't know if you remember them, but when those ads started, support for Hillarycare plummeted.
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  5114.  @jones1618  The 2016 race was down to three candidates by Iowa, but O'Malley was such a non-factor that he dropped out that night. Yes, there was an effort to coalesce around one candidate in 2020, but quite frankly, Klobuchar should have dropped out after finishing fifth in Iowa (which didn't happen because all of the problems of Iowa took center stage, and outside of a surprise third in New Hampshire, she did nothing in Nevada and South Carolina, so the real question was how she even made it as far as she did) and Warren should have dropped out after New Hampshire (she is the only candidate from a neighboring state to ever lose, and she had a pitiful 9% and a fourth place finish but no delegates) and she stayed in past Super Tuesday. In that sense, it definitely hurt Bernie that she stayed in as long as she did, and he may have won Texas and Tennessee without Warren and Gabbard on the ballot. The usual function of the early states is to narrow the field. The only candidate who could have made a case for staying in longer was Buttigieg. Ironically, the 2020 race was more decided by people staying in too long rather than getting out too early. The reason why I mention stuff like that is because a lot of the so-called Bernie or Busters have continued this myth that is completely counter to what happened. Bernie got 44% of the vote in 2016, and 32% of the vote in 2020 before he dropped out. It was a remarkable showing, but it just wasn't enough, and in all honesty, given that his 2020 campaign was running based on the flawed strategy that the non-Bernie candidates wouldn't coalesce around one and this huge field would stay in place to the point where 30% would be enough, that proved to be a fatal mistake. Focusing on perceived slights keeps us from doing the necessary work. Two weeks ago, I got to see Bernie in action. To borrow a phrase from Edward Kennedy, the dream will never die.
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  5623.  @TimeBandit2007  That's not quite how Supreme Court replacements work. Unless someone dies on the bench, it is his/her decision when to retire, so chances are Kennedy would have stayed on the bench. Instead, you might have had RBG retire so we don't have to worry about whether or not Trump gets to name her replacement. As of right now, Roberts is the "swing" Justice. If RBG dies between now and when Trump leaves office, then you have to convince Roberts and one other right-wing Justice not to do something awful. As far as Obama locking kids up, did I say "locking kids up"? No, I said kidnapping. Obama didn't separate children from their parents, he didn't adopt those kids out, and he didn't send a two year old in court to defend herself without a lawyer to defend herself. If you can't tell the difference between the two, either you are very, very unaware of the worst abuses that he is doing, or you are trying to salve your conscience because of the very real consequences of what you advocated on this front. As far as TPP, if Hillary was elected, Democrats probably would have controlled the Senate by a 50-50 margin (with a swing in PA & WI). Given that Republicans would have done everything possible to spite her, and people like Bernie and Warren wouldn't have gone along, TPP would have been DOA. We would still be in the Paris Accords, we wouldn't have destroyed our reputation in the world, we wouldn't have been playing nuclear chicken with North Korea and then emboldened Kim to thumb his noses at us after dangling the disarmament carrot in our faces, we wouldn't have a President with a long history of scaremongering on vaccines, and maybe these severe measles outbreaks wouldn't be happening. We would have had a bloc of five Justices who wouldn't be trying to turn our country back to the 19th century (with only one right-wing Justice over the age of 65) to the point that minimum wage and overtime, worker safety laws, child labor laws, civil rights, and voting rights wouldn't be in danger for the next 30-40 years. Even President Cruz or President Pence wouldn't have the chance to do more than a like-for-like switch on the Supreme Court, so they couldn't do their damage. And I heard the "No Republican for a generation" after Bush, and that didn't work. No party has won more than three consecutive terms since the 22nd Amendment, so I won't hold my breath. Instead, we have someone in office who we have to legitimately worry might not leave if he is defeated in 2020. But, yes, Hillary wouldn't have given you everything you want, so instead you decided to pout and throw everything away for a generation as though it would suddenly have this great awakening. I heard that argument about 2000/2004, and how did that work out? What makes you think that this time will be any different?
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  5899.  @FuddlyDud  It's not about not having good ideas or not, but I have heard or read each of these ideas before. I don't think the pre-1980 era was a golden era with no problems, but I do think that the economy worked for more people then that it does now. I have heard many on the right argue against higher taxes because people should enjoy the fruits of their labor, but wouldn't decades of stagnating wages despite massive increases of productivity be a perfect example of someone not getting to enjoy the fruits of his/her labor? Re: daycare/childcare; I don't know what you would consider "affordable" or "quality," but here in PA, even the lower end of daycare if you don't really care about quality runs $150/week. Do the math, and that's $7800/year. That's hardly cheap, and that's also not enough on a larger scale to have daycare workers who are well paid. It seems like a lot of the things you advocate result in everyone at the bottom scrimping at the Dollar Tree because they can't afford to shop elsewhere while the owners are billionaires. (I have bought things at Dollar Tree, so I'm not making any statements about people who shop there, the same way I get angered by Shoppers of Wal-Mart as mocking the wrong person.) Re: medical costs; we are the only industrialized country without universal coverage. We also spend far more than any other. If you think that is coincidental, what do you think explains this difference? Re: college tuition; I think this is a question of which event serves as the Big Bang. You seem to think it is student loans, but I would argue that it is the decision to say that the UC system was no longer tuition free under Reagan. I would argue that supporting evidence for my case is the VA. When they started having a nominal fee for prescriptions (I haven't gone to the VA in 11 years, because I am only allowed treatment for things related to my tour of duty because of the decision to emphasize reserve components in our current wars without providing benefit parity, but when I did, I tested out), it was touted as "only a couple bucks a month," but it kept going up. Now, it's $700/year. Not as high as private insurance, sure, but hardly the free care we were promised when we served. A small nominal fee doesn't end there, because people internalize the idea that they have to pay for what was once free that the idea of making it free again is seen as radical. Re: taxes; here in PA, we have flat taxes on income mandated by the state constitution at 3.07%. What are the results? Well, the PA Turnpike is always at or near the top of the list of worst roads in America, there is a direct correlation between the richest parts of the state and the best performing public schools, and cities that suffer because of suburban flight where people in the metro area get the advantages of the cities but don't have to pay, and a party where 66 of the counties use one as a punching bag for political points at home in hopes of gaining office but with the effect of our biggest city crumbling faster. Not exactly a triumph. Re: wasteful spending; I am confused by your argument. Is the argument that stagnating wages aren't bad because goods are cheap, or that people should be content with their lot of making a few people very rich instead of trying to enjoy what they made? These arguments seem contradictory to me. That being said, how many actually poor people own a $1000 phone? Android has over 85% market share, and very few who buy Apple buy every new model. I do give you credit for engaging issues honestly and respectfully. I hope I have also been as respectful to you, and I can assure you that I have tried my level best to look at your ideas. I think there is a lot of value in the Eisenhower-Rockefeller Conservatism, but I just think supply side has run its course and not worked as well as it was supposed to.
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  6027.  @reav3rtm  Catch and Release is a strategy perfected by Tom DeLay. It involves letting members appear to not go along fully with his agenda, while making sure that everything gets passed. As Barney Frank put it in 2005, "There are no moderate Republicans in Congress. They say that they only vote with the President 70% of the time, but they vote with him 100% of the time when he needs their votes." So, given that strategy, and the fact that if the sponsor list is remotely accurate, Pelosi could easily allow people in lefty districts to vote for Medicare for All in order to weaken a primary challenger, only to see that member "change his/her mind" and vote No if there was ever a realistic chance if the bill passing. It's why Republicans could vote over and over to repeal the ACA, but it didn't pass when they had unified control of government. Therefore, Force the Vote doesn't "expose" anyone. It protects the worst actors, because they can pretend to support it in a cost-free vote. Yes, Jimmy Dore cares about Medicare for All. So much so that he supported a candidate in 2020 who called it un-American in an interview with Anderson Cooper. My plan is to do the actual grassroots organizing. If your member isn't a sponsor, you knock on doors, sign petitions, and make calls. If that member still won't sign on, you primary him/her. If your member is on the list, go to a neighboring district and help others doing the same thing. Then, once you get to 218 & 50, you put the pressure on every sponsor to make sure that he/she is a Hard Yes by pushing for a discharge petition if the Speaker and Majority Leader won't schedule a vote. What have you actually done to get Medicare for All?
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  6089.  @tonyduong3275  1) Not finding the exact numbers, but her trips to Dave Rubin and Breitbart were definitely new. And one of the other areas where they found agreement? That all of the other Democratic Presidential candidates hate America. 2) The right wing narrative that Democrats hate America, and the right wing narrative that any desire to address immigration that does not result in "send them all back" is open borders. 3) I was mistaken. I thought Kucinich went to Fox last year. I forgot that this was him coming back to Fox after his gubernatorial bid ended. But given the way that the bulk of her support as evidenced by polling in New Hampshire is coming from the right, I think it would be a soft place to land. 4) I would say threatening to boycott two debates and voting Present show someone with a knack for getting attention. Really, everything she says is about benefiting humanity? Does that include voting to make it more difficult for Syrian refugees to enter the United States? Praising Sisi after killing protesters in Egypt? Praising Putin for bombing civilians in Syria while complaining that Obama didn't? How about comparing the Iran nuclear deal to Munich (on Fox, coincidentally)? And, last but not least, how can anyone who claims to support peace have ever invoked 24 to defend torture, even after the interviewer pointed out that studies have shown that torture doesn't work? As a veteran who actually did the right thing when dealing with POWs, this was an insult to me and the thousands of others who didn't commit war crimes.
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  6323.  @sherlyn.a  My dear God! What is with the people who cannot tell the difference between "lose" and "loose"? The former is the opposite of win, and the latter is the opposite of tight. Oh, poor Jeff Bezos lost half of his money because he got divorced. Cry me a river. No one forced him to cheat on his wife. And, no one is going to make a million dollars and spend 80% in cash to buy a house. And Gates wouldn't have to give up shares to the government. He could, but he wouldn't have to. Let's just say that the strictest wealth tax proposal went through, the one that Bernie proposed. He is married, so he would pay 1% on assets over $32MM, 2% on assets over $50MM, 3% over $250MM, 4% over $500MM, 5% over $1B, 6% over $2.5B, 7% over $5B, and 8% over $10B. Since marginal rates only apply to the level above the bracket, this means $180,000 for the first bracket, $4MM for the 2% bracket, $7.5MM for the 3% bracket, $20MM for the 4% bracket, $75MM for the 5% bracket, $150MM for the 6% bracket, $350MM for the 7% bracket, and (assuming a total fortune of $100B even to make the math round for demonstration purposes), $7.2B for the top bracket, for a total tax of a little bit over $7.8B. Here's a secret: this tax wouldn't even get to the average for stock market growth since 1929, so he would still get to keep his obscene fortune that was gained through underpaying workers, stealing ideas from competitors, and using basic government research to get started, not to mention government infrastructure to move his products, a military that insures that we won't be invaded, and a relatively steady economy so that he could build. Anyone who claims to be self-made is someone who thinks he/she is floating through the air without seeing the building he/she is standing on.
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  6619.  @jordanwirth3738  I think I can answer that question (although, if anyone you know had a pre-existing condition and can now get it, or anyone between the ages of 22 and 26 who were able to stay on their parents' plans, or women with gynecological issues, they benefited even if they didn't see it). Basically, there are four ways to get to universal or near universal coverage. Going from left to right, they are nationalization (think the NHS or the VA), single payer (think Canada or Medicare), managed competition/public option (Hillarycare in the 90s and the early drafts of the ACA), and universal mandate (what the ACA became). The full name of what many call Obamacare is The Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act of 2010. Something Sam Seder said that I think was very accurate about it was that it was undersold on the patient protection part and oversold on affordability, which is partly why many people tend to think of the ACA as only the exchanges. However, its ultimate shortcoming is that it was designed with the assumption that people can just be "smart shoppers" when it comes to health care, so market forces really can't do as much to lower prices. After all, nobody will know what emergencies will befall you over the next year. Since you can't really say no to treating a heart attack, market forces of competition don't lower prices. The market incentive for private insurance is to deny care, because that is cutting costs. The market incentive under a single payer or nationalized plan ends up spreading the risk over everyone and gives incentive to ask for lower prices, like a massive bulk discount. That's why it is a more efficient approach than the ACA. Republicans haven't been able to come up with an alternative to the ACA in ten years of yelling "repeal and replace" because a) what became the ACA was imagined as their alternative to Hillarycare, and b) there's nowhere they can go to the right of the ACA and still offer anything remotely near universal coverage. This is why their repeal attempt in 2017 would have resulted in 24-32MM people losing their health insurance according to the CBO.
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  7020.  @anonymouszebra1239  You are so right. I think that another thing that hurts us is that too many people have given up on labor and class issues after the ascendancy of Bill Clinton. People tend to forget this, but from 1932-96, no state voted Democratic in Presidential elections more often than WV (14-3 [1956, 1972, 1984 being the exceptions]: Massachusetts and Minnesota tied for second with 13-4). If people want to blame racism, note that this is both before and after the Southern shift in the 1960s and '70s. However, I think that some talk of white privilege is alienating, because if you tell a poor person in Appalachia that he/she is inherently advantaged, that person will say, "If this is privilege, what is hardship?" I am not saying who has it harder, but when you talk privilege to people who are suffering, that only leads to resentment. And, because of the focus on cultural issues, some want to give up on rural voters altogether. I was at an election night party at the union hall in November, and someone asked me why I thought we started losing in places like WV, and how to get them back. I laid out my theory of full-throttled left-wing (or real) populism, and someone was offended, insisting that these were racists who were irredeemable. Well, white conservatives talk down to black liberals and wonder why they won't vote Republican, so why would rural white people. That's also why I never, ever give thumbs up to anyone who talks about inbreeding when badmouthing Trump voters. When we figure out who the real enemy is, and we help rural America understand who we are fighting, they will come running back.
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  7111.  @GormTheElder  What is your evidence that a majority supports Medicare for All? Do not say polls, because even if people agree with you on an issue, it doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't affect how people vote. In 2016, Colorado had a ballot initiative for Medicare for All. It got 21%. In 2020, Biden said that he wouldn't sigh Medicare for All during the beginning of the pandemic (since the Force the Vote people love to use that as a talking point) and his polling numbers in the primary didn't move, so it doesn't sound like a vote over a year out is going to have the desired effect if the sponsor list more or less is accurate and defeat over 100 incumbents. The poll that the Force the Vote people love to point out to insist that all they need is the vote to garner public support shows some much more discouraging things below the headline question. A majority think that Medicare for All will allow people to keep their private insurance (and a higher percentage of supporters think that), and support drops below 50% when asked if they support a single payer system. I have done the actual organizing work, and I have heard similar responses several times. So, you have to do the actual work to make sure that support is not really for a public option and that it will actually move people at the ballot box. No, this is not a video game, but that applies in ways that help my argument rather than yours, because it requires that people to get off their butts and do the actual work. And given that all of the talk is about going after members of the party where a majority in the House have sponsored the bill and none of it is targeting the party where literally zero members support it, that tells me that there is no strategic thought at all to this plan. Organizing isn't about instant gratification or a willy waving contest. It is about going to your neighbors and making your representation know what you want.
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  8381.  @highneedforcognition9660  It is entirely possible that I am reading too much into it, but the torture debate has always relied on euphemism and coded language, so when I hear the phrase "if we're in a situation where our family, our community, our state, or our country is in a place where, let's say, in an hour a nuclear bomb or attack will go off unless this information were found, I believe that, if I were President of the United States, that I would do everything in my power to keep people, the American people safe" when asked about the acceptability of torture, where she then follows up and says "there are those who are in the position of carrying on these interrogations, some of them say it does work" I would say that I have just heard as plain an endorsement of torture as I will ever hear. If Tulsi Gabbard didn't know what that loaded phrase meant in that formulation, then she needs to say so, but she didn't. She could have apologized and said that she didn't express herself well, but she just blamed it on waiting for the results of a study, as if it would be okay if it worked, and the only difference between the two is that now she says it doesn't. Because that's what she does so many times: she gives plausible deniability so that she can literally be whatever anyone wants to hear. It bugged me when Obama did it, it bugs me when Beto does it, and it bugs me when Tulsi does it. And until she says that her cursory statements about suffering versus her detailed statements about the imminent danger were wrong, I will not give her a pass. As far as the other foreign policy issues, I listed them above.
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  8383.  @highneedforcognition9660  As promised, here are some of the points about Tulsi and other foreign policy issues that I brought up earlier and didn't see your response or get the chance to provide evidence. As far as Tulsi supporting bombing in Syria, that opens this post about her problematic issues there: https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2019/01/tulsi-gabbards-syria-record-worse-think So, this is her supporting Assad's biggest supporter bombing what turned out to be rebel strongholds regardless of whether they were ISIS hotbeds or just places where Assad faced strong opposition. She was on the wrong end of a 392-3 vote that condemned "unlawful violence against civilian populations in Syria." This article goes into great detail about her lengthy history of supporting dictators, often under the guise of fighting terrorism: https://www.thenation.com/article/tulsi-gabbard-president-foreign-islam/ Excerpt: "Yet it would be a mistake to place Gabbard in the lineage of internationalist, anti-war American leftism that seeks, among other things, to help emancipate and defend the oppressed. In fact, Gabbard's public record points in a much different direction, toward an 'America first' Trumpism of the left that would restore the Middle East's dictators club as long as it benefits the United States. On closer analysis, hers is a foreign policy that favors authoritarianism cloaked as counter-terrorism, nationalism cloaked as anti-interventionalism, and Islamophoboa barely cloaked at all." For her taking a trip to Syria supported by fascists: https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbards-fascist-escorts-to-syria
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  8548.  @lucaswilliams8572  Okay, I have tried to explain the objection, but you keep responding with "nuh uh!" and just repeating the same thing over and over again without even bothering to address the issue that I and others have had with his proposal. I will lay it out one more time. I will make it as simple as I possibly can. If you still don't understand what I am saying after this, you are either a bot, someone who cannot internalize any objection to this proposal because you are brainwashed, or you have reading comprehension problems. Here is why people on current disability programs that he does not allow to stack are harmed by his proposal: 1) People who are disabled already get more than $1000/month in most cases. 2) Those people will not get any more money. 3) Even those who do get more money will not get the full $1000, because they will have to give up their existing benefits. 4) Those people will still have to pay taxes to fund this program that they don't get. Therefore, they will have to stretch their dollars farther. So, they have a net loss in after-tax dollars. 5) Even if that loss is mitigated, that still doesn't help people whose rent will go up when Yang said "use your UBI to absorb the blow, because rent control is a local issue." 6) As "Inequality for All" demonstrated, if the absolute dollars are the same, but the rings above you get farther apart, it is more difficult to climb the economic ladder. So, if you just go back to your talking points without substantively addressing those issues, I am done, because there is nothing left to say.
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  8689.  @EarlHayward  Property taxes are directly tied to the cost of property. Considering that Proposition 13 is a thing in California, meaning that they can't increase property taxes by more than 1.25% per year regardless of the purchase price (Warren Buffett said in 2003 that he paid less in property taxes for a house he bought in San Francisco than his house in Omaha, despite the former being valued so much higher), what do you think causes their rental increase? I would argue that the evidence bears out much more that the rent is based much more on supply and demand. Here in Pennsylvania, sometimes I randomly check rent and home purchase prices in a few different counties, and the Philadelphia metro area sees rent go up far more than the rest of the state. Re: rent control driving up costs, I've heard people say that, but the evidence suggests otherwise. In 2002, I went to Toronto for a spring break mission trip. We did some volunteer work in soup kitchens, a food reclamation center, and low-income schools. A few years before, the Tories had won control of the Ontario Parliament. One of the first things they did was abolish rent control. In the next five years, the average rent skyrocketed, and homelessness quintupled. The reason my rent in the Philadelphia apartment was so much higher than the previous tenant was because rent control was changed to say that, barring a major renovation, rent could be increased by up to 5%. Without fail, once a building fills up, they get that 5%. Here in Montgomery County, good luck finding a 2 BR apartment for less than $1000/month. I looked out of curiosity a few months ago in Lancaster County, and there were several 3 BR apartments under that rate.
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  8878.  @TysonHook-22-  And apparently, you aren't familiar with the legislative strategy of Catch and Release. As far as legislators are concerned, the final vote total doesn't matter at all. In fact, Tom DeLay was the one to figure out that you can get more of what you want and you can provide cover for frontline members if pretty much every bill barely passes. Ever notice that Murkowski and Collins almost never opposed the same judicial nominees in the Trump years? That is not a coincidence. What honestly makes you think that someone from a lefty district won't vote Yes just to neutralize a primary challenge knowing that it will never pass? It's no coincidence that the very people pushing Force the Vote suddenly turned on a candidate who was a major advocate for Medicare for All against a corporate opponent in a special election months after the whole FTV nonsense. And speaking of the grassroots power of FTV, an advocate was going on and on about how there was going to be this big march in Washington to demand that the vote be forced. I never saw anything about it on TV, so I asked this person a month or two after the fact how many showed up. The answer? Fifty. For a "national march." Philly DSA got more than that every single month for eight months leading up to the primaries for actual grassroots organizing. And someone else made this big deal out of the M4M4A, and all of the grassroots support it had. I was actually on the e-mail lists of two of the organizations that were "sponsors," so it tells me that either a) the organizers were lying, or b) they just asked them to sign off on the march and never did any actual follow up.
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  9616.  @FuddlyDud  Never forget. I apologize for the delay. I got hit with a couple of major projects at work and didn't have the mental energy to give your reply that I felt it deserved. Here goes. Some agreement! How do you think education funding should be restructured? I want to see your starting point to see how much the common ground extends to solutions on this one. What does the Bill of Rights have to do with why health care is so expensive and doesn't cover everyone? Unless your arguing that the Second Amendment as understood in the Heller case is contributing to the costs. Standard of living refers to the mean, not the median. If you look at a distribution chart since 1980, you will see just how deceptive mean can be. Also, you keep talking about cost of living going down. Which is it? You didn't "disprove inflation." If you look up an inflation calendar, it will tell you that something that cost a dollar in 1980 will cost $3.06 today. You also said the pie is getting bigger and everyone benefits. That is completely contradictory both to external facts and your previously stated logic. The economy grew at a much faster rate from 1945-1980 than it has since 1981, and more people shared in the increases back then. Also, which is it, everyone gets more, or don't worry that you're not getting more, because everything is cheaper, anyway. Your remark about $1000 phones clearly contradicts the notion of things getting cheaper (btw, my phone cost $150, so I'm not exactly chasing the expensive trends). You talk about the Tenth Commandment, but what about the Eighth? Or Matthew 19 or 25, for that matter? You said private solutions are better than every public solution I have advocated. The main two I have argued here are education and health care. Studies have repeatedly shown that, as a whole, private schools do not outperform public schools, and we pay more and cover less than any country that lets the government fund and either insure or provide health care. If you want these things to be state run, how will that solve education disparities between rich states and poor states? As far as converting, I have discussed these issues with people for decades, and Solomon is right. I honestly don't come into these things trying to convert anyone. If they do, great, but to me it's about exchanging ideas and being willing to listen and understand. There might be things where I think, "That is a good point," (example: I was running for state legislature in my native state 12 years ago, and some people kept complaining about too much regulation. The one concrete example someone gave, too much red tape for billboard approval, made a lot of sense, but generic complaints didn't persuade me of anything on regulations. Some are good, and some are bad.) but my basic worldview is informed from 39 years of observation, discussion, and trying to learn. Looking forward to the follow up! Hopefully, you'll be less pressed for time than I was ;-)
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  9617.  @FuddlyDud  Sorry it took so long. I usually responded before during down periods at work, but I haven't really had those. Here are some responses to points above. Public vs. Private Education: My point when I said "on the whole" wasn't that their was no outstanding private schools or bad public schools. There are good and bad of both. I could point out that in academic competitions in my county growing up, the public school students regularly beat the students from the biggest private school (it was still relative, because there were 129 in my graduating class, and I'm pretty sure that was close either way to their size for K-12), and most people who went to both told me they preferred the public schools. That being said, most private schools are not Andover Prep. Private schools can also skew their results by not admitting students with special needs, whereas public schools take everyone. Funding: I haven't seen the specifics, but there is an idea Republicans have been floating in PA and I definitely like the basic idea of it. They are proposing eliminating the education portion of property taxes and shifting to income taxes to allow for a more equitable distribution of funds. As long as it is adequately funded, I can definitely get behind this. Innovation: One thing that studies have shown does make a difference in performance is the presence of public magnet schools. This is more difficult to have in smaller or rural areas, because the commute time would be too great, but having schools with different emphases (including for high academic performers) has worked very well, and I think they should be implemented wherever it is feasible. Money Trap: I don't think it's about simply throwing more money at education (although I could point to just how much the elite schools really spend), but there are some things that studies have shown time and time again make a huge difference that do require more money. One is class size. Studies have shown that class size is one of the biggest determining factors in quality education, and that means that you simply must pay out enough money to have enough teachers to keep class sizes to a desirable level. The second is related: teacher quality. As the last few decades have shown, if you don't pay enough, quality people will go where the money is, which disproportionately affects poor districts and results in higher turnover. The low tax ideology plays out in fights over bond levies. The year I ran, down ballot, there was a school bond levy to fund repairs and reconstruction of several schools for the cost of $15.5MM. The low tax crowd complained about taxes, and only 26% voted for it. When I went to school, WV was middle of the pack. Now, they're 48th in performance (only MS and AL fare worse), so it clearly takes enough money. Accountability: I couldn't agree with you more that we should change how we determine academic success. I'm not sure what ways we can change that, other than less of an emphasis on standardized tests. No one knows like someone who has told college freshman that they have to do a 6-10 page research paper the flaws of that emphasis when it comes to developing critical thinking skills. I think we should emphasize more writing in junior high and high school, but other than that, I'd like to hear what ideas you have.
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  9928.  @15jamorris  Sorry it took so long to reply. There were several points and I wanted to look at it on a computer screen rather than a phone so I wouldn't have to make a separate reply to every point. 1) Cheri Honkala wasn't the person who started the revived Poor People's Campaign, Bill Barber was. It's bad enough to work behind the scenes to help people whose stated goals are pretty much the opposite of yours, but to take credit from the people who actually started it is pretty low. 2) Nader was and remains the high-water mark for Green Party Presidential campaigns, so it is perfectly fair to point to him as an exemplar of Green Party thinking. I remember after the 2004 election that a lot of GP people were furious that David Cobb kept his word (unlike Nader) and focused on safe states rather than swing states in an effort to not be a spoiler. But let's just say for the sake of argument that it's really not fair to point to Nader and his plans to sabotage Democratic candidates because it was too long ago. Okay, then, let's look at your most recent party standard bearer. The campaign for Howie Hawkins was so incompetent that it filled out the paperwork wrong and didn't qualify for the Wisconsin ballot, even with the Wisconsin Secretary of State giving them notice to correct the issue. So, what did the Hawkins campaign do? They waited until two weeks after the decision to work with a Republican law firm to sue for ballot access all while claiming that their exclusion was an affront to democracy. Because of their lawsuit, several large counties such as Dane had to pause printing their ballots and nearly missed the deadline to mail overseas absentee ballots, which the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled must be returned by Election Day no ifs, ands, or buts. If they had won their challenge and those ballots would have had to have been scrapped (not very environmentally friendly for a party that labels itself Green), and tens of thousands would have had no time to get their ballots in for the election. Does that sound like a good faith actor or does that sound like a willing stooge for the Republican Party? 3) I have run for office, and I have worked in the field for literally dozens of campaigns (both paid and volunteer, and both electoral and issue) over the space of 20+ years. You might think that condescension is the correct response, but I've probably done way more in grassroots organizing than you have. "ended up helping a third party campaign in the long run" So, you've just admitted that it was a scam. You also contradicted yourself that there weren't any complaints from donors. If the recount was a legitimate effort, and not an excuse to raise money for the Green Party, it should have been in a separate account for those express purposes. Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it is ethical. You think Bad Faith offers a good strategic perspective? BJG is a grifter who refuses to take yes for an answer. She's the one who led the chorus in 2020 making the Sanders campaign insisting that Bernie could win the primary with 30-35% of the vote because the field would never coalesce around an alternative. Anyone who thinks that in a field where you have to get 50% Plus One of pledged delegates to win (because it was very obvious that the superdelegates weren't going to give it to Bernie if he won a plurality but not a majority) doesn't have the first clue about winning. Her goal is to make money by always saying that nothing is ever good enough, not to actually win.
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  9932.  @15jamorris  "No such thing as spoilers" Okay, let's look at the rules for how a President is elected. In order to win the Presidency, a candidate has to win an absolute majority in the Electoral College. If no candidate does so, the election goes to the House... where it is decided by Democrats and Republicans. Therefore, there is literally zero chance of a third-party candidate winning (Ross Perot initially dropped out in 1992 because he knew he couldn't win if the election was thrown into the House, which was almost certainly the best-case scenario for him). The Green Party not only knows that there is no chance of winning, but they don't even really try to win. Their goal is to get to 5% of the national popular vote and get their hands on that sweet, sweet matching fund cash. Therefore, if they have no chance of winning, the only role that they actually have in the campaign is to make it harder for one of the two candidates who actually do have a chance to win to do so. At the top level, they know this very well, which is why they repeatedly and regularly ally themselves with Republicans for things like petition drives and ballot access lawsuits. The Republican Party gets what they want out of the deal (more power), but the Green Party gets the exact opposite of what it claims to desire in terms of policy. State and local elections are a different story, because the rules are different, but if you live in a close state, any vote for a third party candidate is (and always will be as long as we have the rules that we do) voting for the spoiler effect.
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  9947.  @darrenfaber2334  There are 125 programs that people have to forfeit if they take his money. However, Yang only ever bothers to specifically list a few (TANF, SNAP, WIC, LIHEAP, housing subsidies, daycare subsidies). And, yes, people have to give something up. Yang has made it very clear that you can't get both. And "a full-time job"? Here in PA, daycare for multiple children is over $1500/month. Do you really think that applying for that is "practically a full-time job"? At a certain point, you Yang Gang bangers keep resorting to try to using words in a different way in order to try to make it sound better than it is. Because we don't know what the programs are that are either/or In the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend, there are a lot of people who might end up worse or surprised to find out that they have to choose at all. And there is also the question of how long taking the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend disqualifies someone from other benefits. You might think that you're in a place where you are better off taking the thousand, but, boom, you are expecting twins or triplets. Now, the funding model changes dramatically. Or, you might find out that the EITC is no longer available. Or maybe you went to grad school in a field that doesn't pay very well, but is vital, and you have to choose between the Student Loan Forgiveness Program and this money. And if you keep your current benefits, how long does that mean that you can't take the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend?
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  10089.  Donald Smith  And, once again, Ford didn't win. He lost in 1976, but several Reagan acolytes have said that his narrow loss in 1976 is what made it possible, because no Republican would have won that year in the shadow of Watergate, so realignment was only possible in 1980. Political change for good or ill almost never happens all at once. And, if you look, probably the biggest sign of things to come was Proposition 13 in 1978, which had a lot of grassroots energy. And who is Candidate X? Candidate X has to be legion by definition. Why, it might even have to be you. Or, you would need to get involved with some group that actually is trying to make such changes at the local level, and organize for that candidate. And how does a vote for Biden play into this strategy? I think pretty much everyone can agree that the winner of the election will get to name the successor to RBG, and it is starting to look like the Senate has a good chance of going blue. If that happens, we get Garland or better on the Supreme Court. If Trump wins, he almost certainly gets the Senate, too, which means that he can pick whoever he wants, and the strategy of picking off one Justice is gone, so we can forget good things happening. So, voting for Biden is also part of that long-term strategy, because you need the Supreme Court, too. Other places where it will matter? Roberts seems content to nibble around the edges of Roe, but another Justice means that it will be overturned and go to the states at best or ruled in a way that makes every single miscarriage in this country a criminal investigation at worst.
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  10094.  Donald Smith  No, my argument is that the big tent pole cases that take most of the effort of a legislative session will go to the Supreme Court, and having a Court that will overturn that legislation will discourage voters, who will say, "Why bother? The Supreme Court will just kill it, anyway." Or, they will be like you and think incorrectly that it is simply a matter of Presidential will in order to get things passed instead of realizing that there are some things that need other people. Speaking of which, are you now ing to admit that this was a ridiculous take? And the reason why staying within the party matters is there are a lot of people who care about party loyalty. There were a lot of people who will hold that against them. While a lot of people were being disingenuous with the Bernie isn't a real Democrat stuff, it actually does resonate with some people. Example: when I was running for the House of Delegates in 2006, there was a Congressional candidate who switched from a Republican the year before. His policy positions didn't really change, but the first question that the party elders asked every time was "Why did you change parties?" If the left flank is seen as disloyal, it will be that much more difficult to take things over. Using the example that I gave before about a political realignment that worked, voting for Nixon and Ford made it possible because it made it easier for people to win the down ballot and party committee races needed to do the things that they wanted to do.
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  10095.  Donald Smith  What makes you think that the Court acts the way it does to make things politically popular? The most influential member of the Federalist Party to hold public office wasn't Washington, Adams, or Hamilton, it was John Marshall. And what is so significant about that? John Marshall got his position after the Federalist Party was thoroughly defeated at the national level. Marshall ended up putting a Federalist stamp on quite a bit of stuff in his 30+ years. And do you honestly think that Republicans won't try to kill Medicare for All? Their wunderkind of ten years became that for the very simple reason that he was trying to kill Medicare. And you have said that it would be more likely that there would be a dissenting vote for Medicare for All. Well, since you clearly think that a 6-3 majority is no different than a 5-4 majority, you are forgetting that, if Trump gets a second term, it will take two or three dissenting votes to get a majority. I have very little doubt that you could get Roberts to uphold Medicare for All if his vote will do it, but he won't walk that plank if he knows that there are still five Justices who are going to kill it. The best you can hope for in that situation is that he can twist himself into enough of a pretzel to allow Medicare for seniors to remain on the books. And, what honestly makes you think that a case like that would die in circuit court? The groups that want to kill Medicare for All have very deep pockets, and they are good at finding courts to give contrary opinions. And you are forgetting that it only takes four Justices to agree to hear a case. If the ACA has gotten to the Supreme Court twice, you can bet that Medicare for All will get there at least once. Since Roberts has already demonstrated that he won't use the Commerce Clause for medical issues, he may very well approve it with some sort of ticking time bomb that Republicans can detonate later on so that he can say, "Well, this doesn't qualify," or he could approve Medicare for All, but get rid of the provision that bans competing plans. If that happens, it's a totally different ball game.
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  10145.  @claudeabraham2347  Yes, it is bad. It is bad that wages have stagnated (before 1980, wages were very closely tied to productivity increases, but despite productivity nearly doubling since then, wages have only gone up 11%) because that means that people have less money for other things, while more things have been added to the expense sheet. For example, women started entering the marketplace en masse not in the liberated 1970s, but in the 1980s when one income stopped being sufficient to pay for a family's needs. (I am not saying that the wife should stay at home, but that one income, and I don't care which spouse, should be enough.) Now, that means that you have to worry about childcare. Since now it's practically a crime to leave children unattended, that means that parents have to now pay for daycare. Oh, and instead of having free (or mostly free that could be paid for with Pell Grants) college tuition, now more and more students start behind the eight ball in terms of net worth. Let's not forget the rising cost of health insurance (double that of overall inflation), and add those up, and you now have a generation for whom home ownership is mostly an illusion. But, hey, at least their boss's salaries exploded and they can buy cheap toys that break easily. Most of those in nations that are supposed to be our peers also don't have to pay out of pocket for nearly as many things as we do. Funny that you want to compare to Third World Countries. Is that what group you want to be a part of?
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  10574.  @BobbyU808  No, it won't increase the purchasing power for 94% of Americans, because Yang forces the poor and the disabled to choose between their current benefits and his plan. He has a lost of 125 programs that people have to forfeit if they take his money, but he has only mentioned seven, so a lot of people will find out that, not only aren't they getting anything, but now they have to pay a VAT. Example: daycare subsidies is either/or, and daycare for two children is over $1500/month, so you are now telling a single parent making $20,000/year that he/she now has to pay a VAT and get no benefits. And how is the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend "tax free"? Everyone has to buy things, so everyone will pay taxes. If it was structured with the slightest hint of concerned with ability to pay, then it would be incredibly easy to structure a UBI that is actually tax free. So, a UBI that is neither universal nor basic income is better than Medicare for All? The biggest cause for bankruptcy isn't purchasing power, it is medical expenses. And there are so many things that need to be done that are societal rather than individual: health care, housing, dealing with the climate crisis in a bigger way than just giving people a little bit of money to move to higher ground, funding education, and repairing our crumbling infrastructure. Then, we can start looking at individual, especially considering the problem that. as many have noticed, at this time you cannot make a UBI that is both universal (such as taking other benefits away) or basic income (enough to be above the poverty level). Yang does neither.
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  10580.  @BobbyU808  You assumed that it was a young person. And you say that Bernie's ideas are outdated, but I would call not pushing to have the United States join the rest of the world in not having tens of millions uninsured or underinsured, half a million medical bankruptcies, and tens of thousands dying every year from a lack of health insurance an idea whose time has come. I didn't give up on the idea a few years ago (despite claiming to support it for 25 years, you either clearly gave up on it or it just isn't a priority), because you can say #HumanityFirst all you want, but if that isn't a priority, there is a human-shaped whole in your #HumanityFirst. And you can say that young people don't care about health care, but talk to a young person who is sick, or someone who has lost coverage because his/her boss decided to go for a sham no-frills plan. They will care deeply about health care. Tell someone whose landlord raises the rent on a fairly regular basis that rent control isn't necessary to avoid eating up a sizable amount of the thousand. Tell the single parent scraping by at the poverty level that, because Mr. Humanity First doesn't want him/her to get both the thousand and the daycare subsidies that now everything at the store costs 10% extra that this will improve that family's lives. And if you want to let a few big companies get to control what automation looks like, they will get to keep all of the power. People aren't stupid. When they hear that someone both says that we need his plan because there won't be any jobs left in the future, and that he is keeping it too low to actually live on and wants to keep it that way to force people to work, that is a bleak idea. "So, what do I say to that? [Pause] I say that I'm holding out for something better." Matt Damon, "Good Will Hunting"
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  10801.  @cmack17  1) Oh, okay. So, you're a jerk who wants to nitpick and then get mad when someone acknowledges making an error. Got it. 2) Once again, none of those people were in office. She helped them get into office. If you can't understand this basic concept, no wonder why you think Force the Vote will get results. 3) Then, why did you ask basically the inverse of it to me? 4) If your representative "claims to support M4A," what about your Senators? What about friends or family who live in states/districts of those who don't support the bill? Re: "no need to 'follow up,'" I'd hate to see you if you were in a movement that literally took years or decades to come to fruition. 5) So, it's terrible because you say it's terrible? Got it. 6) What a shock. You don't understand the basic reason why your proposed strategy won't work. I can give an example of someone your boy Jimmy Dore saw as a hero to the point that she won his endorsement in 2020. Tulsi Gabbard claimed to support Medicare for All and supported Bernie Sanders in 2016. Both conveniently cut off the oxygen from primary challenges to her left. However, once she started running for President and had to answer questions about specifics, not only did she not support it, but she called one of its key provisions "un-American" in an interview with Anderson Cooper. Twice. Jimmy Dore saw this as "a smart strategy" at the time. 7-8) When all you've done to try to move the needle for Medicare for All is make one phone call to your representatives, you have no room to talk about inaction. The abolition of slavery in the UK took over 50 years. So did women's suffrage, and one of its most important supporters, Susan B. Anthony, died 14 years before it was won. Would you have said these people were wasting their time?
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  10889.  @rajashashankgutta4334  Some of your responses had multiple points, so I'll break each up into its own response so it doesn't get unwieldy. 1) This shows the problem of working backwards when it comes to questions about taxation. You have decided from the beginning that certain rates are inherently unfair and immoral, so you try to work backwards to find ways to prove that it is ineffective and completely irrelevant to the question of wealth and income inequality. Like a fundamentalist trying to find the text in your holy book that proves your doctrine correct. I am not saying that we need a top tax rate of 90%. I do believe that it should be significantly higher than 37%, though. Even Art Laffer, who drew the curve on a cocktail napkin that birthed the theory that you espouse, admitted in the paper where he explained the curve that he didn't put numbers on his curve because the optimal level can vary greatly. He went on to say that the top rate of 94% during WWII was justified. And no one is saying that there should be a limit to how much people make. If I was saying that, I would be arguing for a full Share Our Wealth program with a maximum net worth and a 100% marginal rate above a certain amount. What I am arguing is that it should be much higher than at above a certain rate. As far as whether or not I would be outraged if I had to pay that much in taxes, I'll go back to something Larry King said in a conversation with Bill Press. He opened by saying that he paid over five million in taxes the year before. Rather than complaining about how much the government charged, he said, "This means I had a really good year. I hope I have an even better year so they take more next year." Look at the great fortunes of the 20th century. Most were created in years where there was a much higher tax rate. When Buffett started, the capital gains rate was twice what it is now. When Gates started, the top tax bracket was 70%. George Romney became the first Presidential candidate to release his taxes in 1967, and he released 12 years of taxes to show that it wasn't a fluke. His effective rate was higher than the top marginal rate now. As far as things being legal, you are also ignoring that those with great fortunes lobby the government to make their unsavory practices legal. And you mention all of these other factors that you say were the bigger drivers of stagnant wages, but it was Reagan busting the air traffic controllers union that put those things into place. The reason why higher taxes are part of the puzzle for wealth and income inequality is that the rich will be less likely to give themselves as high of a salary, and when corporate taxes are higher, that gives more incentive to invest in the company and in higher wages so that can be deducted from their income, which stimulates the economy.
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  10906.  @rajashashankgutta4334  So, you're not an Enlightened Centrist, but you argue like one, and you want to not only make massive tax cuts for the richest of estates (the top bracket is currently 40%), but you want to take a tax that only effects the richest 0.3% of estates and apply it to far more people? Or maybe you make the Enlightened Centrist/libertarian move of spending your time focusing on The Way Things Ought to Be. And, just a hint: arguing from the right to start a conversation only to then insist that the right don't really like your positions is a classic move of the Enlightened Centrist. Pretending that positions that are well within the mainstream of most industrialized countries is "too extreme" is a classic move of the Enlightened Centrist. You might not think you are one, but your rhetoric sounds like one. And where is this evidence that taxes above 55% mean that people won't be productive? Bill Gates started his company when the top rate was 70%. Ross Perot started his when the top rate was 91%. Warren Buffett started his when the capital gains rate was twice what it is now. Plenty of great American companies were formed when corporate income taxes were 32% of all federal government revenues. I know you think that, but in the world of The Way Things Really Are, it just doesn't work the way you say it does. Saying that something is immoral doesn't make it so. Saying what you think the effects are doesn't, either. Even if your argument was correct, that still isn't a question of morality, but using heavy handed rhetoric to try to jump steps in your argument.
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  10987.  thesparitan  There are lots of things that racists will use as an excuse to do racist things. White people being less than 50% of the US population (ignoring the fact that lots of people who are considered white now weren't in our past, that there are already light-skinned Hispanics who are identifying as white, that even according to the US Census Hispanic is not a race but an ethnicity), and since White is a social construct anyway, that there is a real possibility that by that point Hispanic people may very well be considered white, so there is no need to get the vapors about such possibility. I see it as not positive or negative, but something that may very well be. As to his second point, there are some who exploit economic anxiety, but the instigators and the leaders of extremist groups are rarely poor. So, I would say that the answer to the second question is mixed. As far as the context question, let's just say that, for the sake of argument, that he didn't know that anxiety over minority majority status is a common dog whistle among white supremacists (i.e., "Jews will not replace us" chants in Charlottesville), and it really was an innocent comment, do you really think that mentioning it as a follow up to expression of sympathy after a hate crime is really the best time? To me, the most charitable explanation is that he's as tone deaf as Yoko Ono. As far as "I could have resolved this sooner," if you hadn't seen the link or it didn't work for you, you could have simply told me that you couldn't see the link. Defending someone on semantics when you don't know the quote is the height of intellectual dishonesty. I don't go into discussions trying to defend or attack people, I go in trying to get answers, and while you might not have agreed with my interpretation, at least I was honest enough to examine the evidence rather than blindly defend someone.
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  11033.  @ajmooretap  They don't? How much did Amazon pay in taxes again? GE? Is there a cap on the mortgage interest deduction that I am unaware of (even though there is a cap on the student loan interest deduction)? Look up the book Get the Rich Off Welfare. As far as your statements about welfare and disability, I am a caseworker, so I think I have a good idea of how benefits work. The problem with the difference between the two is that he uses that example to suggest that everyone gets it, but it's only when he is questioned or that someone digs deeper that it becomes obvious that everyone doesn't. I was floored to find out that it didn't. I had been telling everyone nice things about him until I realized that I had been had, so now I tell people the truth that his is a libertarian plan masquerading as a leftist one, and there are an awful lot of people who will be hurt by it. If he wanted to make it universal, he could apply it to everyone instead of excluding the poor and making it opt in. If he didn't want criticism for the method of taxation, he wouldn't have used a consumption tax to pay for it. If he didn't want to be seen as someone who is using his universal-but-not-really basic income in a way that doesn't challenge the ones who are causing the wealth inequality, he wouldn't be against college tuition and lying about the proposal of the candidate who wants all public education to be free. If he didn't want to be seen as not caring about working people and just giving up, he wouldn't oppose increasing the minimum wage. These are not "tiny details," these are things that make something that can be a good idea into a terrible idea.
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  11953.  @kurtzFPV  For the first decade of this century, HR 676 (the predecessor to the current bill written by Bernie in the Senate and Jayapal in the House which was written by Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers) never had more than 70 or 80 sponsors. The current version has 117. Failed votes aren't going to change that fact, except either to make it worse because the Soft Yes will be alienated. Colorado tried to get it statewide through a ballot initiative because of the polls that showed that it was popular. It got 21%. Polls show that a majority of people who talk about Medicare for All are really talking about a public option. I dealt with several people in petition drives who were obsessed with the idea of "not taking away people's health care" or "denying choice" (which is part of the reason why I think "support reproductive rights" is a better slogan than "pro-choice"). You don't see the votes come about a second time because health care legislation is by definition a lengthy process, and failing is going to lead a lot of time lost, and that is why it doesn't come back. It's not as simple as having a vote. Yes, Bernie showed that he could raise a lot of money, but the level of spending for a general election is completely different than a primary. Bernie raised hundreds of millions, but the general cost billions. I am all for putting more attention on state and local raises (as someone who raised all of $3400 in my campaign compared to my opponent's $20,000). However, that is clearly a long-term strategy to get things passed, and Force the Vote is a short-term strategy. A long term solution is what we need, because ignoring the mountain that we face is just going to leave people discouraged and reluctant to try again when it does fail.
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  12031.  @LarryKach  Warren has terrible political instincts. She didn't run at a time when she could have easily won the nomination and probably the election because she was actually a more popular figure at the time rather than someone who had been eclipsed. Then, instead of using them as a cautionary tale of what not to do, she followed the advice of the people who lost the last time. Then, when her campaign was sinking, she made up a ridiculous story that the person who begged her to run in 2016 told her that a woman couldn't win. Then, her tendency to exaggerate or lie reared its ugly head when she changed being the only candidate to beat an incumbent in 25 years to 30, and when that "loser" accurately noted that he had done just that within the last 30 years, the candidate who was supposed to be about plans and having a solid head for math and economics suddenly tried in an embarrassing way to do 2020-30=1990 in her head on live TV. That's not to start going into her attempts to go just this side of Rachel Dolezal to make up ridiculous stories about her Native American ancestry and her father's profession to the point where her brothers angrily defended their father and people found evidence of her trying to use her exaggerated heritage to advance her legal career or lying about getting fired for being pregnant (she didn't have credentials and was given a temporary job and never finished getting her qualifications in order for a permanent job), she had a veil of phoniness that would have doomed her. And, yes, a lot of people will talk about how we have some Native ancestry, but most of us know better than to check a box claiming a race that we have no cultural ties to and take a DNA test to prove it (unaware of just how sensitive the topic of blood quantum is among the actual people, and thus never enough to prove her ancestry to the people who questioned it), plagiarize a recipe from The New York Times for a book called Pow-wow Chow, or let our boss call us the first person of color hired in order to help that department avoid making a diversity hire. She would have never survived the gauntlet because she didn't have the mettle.
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  12105.  @cartermclaughlin2908  I also have a job and a kid, and being a single parent complicates my activism to the point where the first thing I have to ask if it is a weekend with my daughter is if there is any sort of childcare available. (Philly DSA had a canvass in January, and you can see my daughter on the website in the picture because they always take pictures of everyone at grassroots events so that people will be inspired to come out the next time.) That being said, you're asking the right questions. This is a good thing. Any attempt at activism needs to go out to the people, because the real organizing is making sure that other people show up. If you want to go more into detail without giving too much away, what kind of area do you live in? I ask because it is a lot easier to organize in metropolitan areas. When I ran for the WV House of Delegates in 2006, even wearing a suit and a sticker with my name on it and holding a clipboard and pamphlets, someone called the cops on me. (It's practically a rite of passage in the world of door-to-door canvassing.) Still, that was the one precinct where I was able to find every single door, and it was the home of my best performance in the district. I say this not to scare you off, but just to let you know that as long as you're not selling anything, you are perfectly entitled to do so, and most cops will let you be on your way. The next step is to find the cause that most interests you. A lot of my Medicare for All volunteer work was inspired by Bernie, and I just happened to meet some Philly DSA people in my neighborhood and they told me about what they were doing. If you are in a union, that is another good way to get some activism going, but there may be some pushback from the people who like to play small ball. If there isn't an active group that is already doing the work in your area, there is probably a national group doing something in that vein, and many would love to have someone in your area. In college, I started a group affiliated with Americans United for Separation of Church and State on campus, and they literally mailed me a bunch of booklets, pamphlets, etc., to give away. Once we got recognized by the university, I got a booth at the MountianLair once a month and got to it. If you have any other questions about how to get started in grassroots organizing, let me know or feel free to ask anyone who mentions experience with it, and we will be glad for more hands to lighten the load.
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  12721.  @ubuu7  TANF is decided at the state level, as are the levels for daycare subsidies, but a lot of the funding comes from the federal government. And, perhaps you forgot about the ruling that allowed the ACA to survive, but it gave states the right to set their own benefit levels for programs like TANF and SNAP, among other things. So, Yang could say, "pretty please adjust your benefits to compensate for the VAT" all he wants, but they don't have to. And given the fact that TANF is one of the few programs that Yang has mentioned by name, and TANF is awarded on the basis of having children, so if someone is getting something from the list of 125 programs (which I guarantee has to be pretty expansive and affect a lot of people in order to get the count that high), the household probably isn't getting anything either. Apparently, you don't seem to understand the point that I was making. It was not that everyone wants to keep what they have, but there are plenty of examples now of the benefits being over $1000/month now just based on the programs mentioned. Since you want to talk high rent, those areas have housing subsidies that are worth way more than $1000. So much for saving to move out! But the point was that there is no reason to use a regressive tax to pay for it other than ideology. You could avoid all of these issues by using a progressive tax to pay for it, and not forcing the poor to choose. The rich get to keep their welfare, so why do the poor have to give up theirs in order to get this "right of citizenship," unless Yang sees them as second class citizens to begin with?
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  13081.  @maximyles  250 miles a week is obscene unless you are an ultramarathon runner going extremely slowly. The typical elite 10,000 meter runner (Lindgren's event) typically runs anywhere from 80-140 miles per week. Swimming is far less of a cardiovascular exercise than running, so those aren't comparable. The human body can only withstand so many hard miles (Frank Shorter and Bill Rodgers, who propelled the American running boom in the early to mid 1970s, were elite marathon runners and neither are capable of running a marathon today), and being burned out by the time you're 19 means that something was wrong. Also, Lindgren and Ryun weren't never-was. They were both world record holders, and Ryun was an Olympic silver medalist as his downhill began. Part of the reason he won silver instead of gold was because he contracted mono and couldn't train for several months in the spring leading up to Mexico City, a disease that is a symptom of overtraining in endurance athletes. For comparison in terms of when an athlete should peak, here are the ages of the dominance or the greatest performances of other all-time great distance runners: Paavo Nurmi, 27; Emil Zatopek, 29; Ron Clarke, 27; Lasse Viren, 23: Abebe Bikila, 28; Said Aouita, 25; Peter Snell, 23-25; Haile Gebrselassie, 23-27; Kenenisa Bekele, 26; Hicham El Guerrouj, 26; David Rudisha, 24. Any endurance athlete who peaks at 19 or 20 is being done wrong. Since you are familiar with boxing, I will paraphrase one of the greatest movies ever made with a former boxer as the main character: their coaches should have been taking care of them. They should have been looking out for them instead of taking the short end money meets.
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  13497.  @sergeikhripun  Oh, okay. I'm not dealing with a liar, I'm dealing with an idiot. I guess the object of your admiration meant that one went without saying as far as the latter. If you want me to answer your question, I just want to figure out if I am dealing with someone who is dishonest, someone who is your garden variety stupid, or someone who is genuinely cognitively limited. Show me where you find someone else, anyone else, using your definition of supermajority? Since you claim that you are using "the political definition" and I am using "the dictionary definition," are you not aware that the reason why the term supermajority exists is because some things cannot pass with a simple majority, and there needed to be a distinction so that people understand why things fail with a majority? And I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but did you not notice that for all this talk from Angry Leader that the vote was planned to fail in the first place? Did you not notice that Biden's numbers didn't move when he said that he wouldn't sign Medicare for All in the primary? Apparently, you missed that the people of Colorado had a referendum for Medicare for All a few years ago and it only got 21% of the vote. You probably also didn't read below the actual top line of the poll and find out that a majority wrongly think that Medicare for All allows competing private insurance. Thank people like Jimmy's object of affection Tulsi Gabbard who insisted that she supported Medicare for All while saying that the thing that actually made it work is "un-American." You probably haven't done the actual organizing work and talked to people who said that they liked Medicare for All while angrily insisting that you can't "take away people's choice for insurance." I have actually done the work, and because of me and others like me, Brendan Boyle is a sponsor of the bill. You also missed the point where I said that the Democratic Party is not an ideological party in the way the GOP is. It is a coalition. Party control is irrelevant to the question of Medicare for All having a chance of passage given that only half of the Democrats in the House and a quarter of Democrats in the Senate sponsor the bill. You know what percentage of Congressional Republicans support Medicare for All? Zero. So, what have you personally done to build support for Medicare for All?
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  13515.  @NoWay1969  He said that the current programs are bad, and the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend will make it less likely for people to get caught in the system. However, this shows a total misunderstanding of how these programs work. The vast majority are off within two years. You will never eliminate the need for the existing social safety net, because there will always be disability and frictional unemployment and poverty. And Yang envisions a future with 1/3 of the population unemployed. His freedom with 125 strings attached dividend is already below the poverty level now, and I can think of several situations where it pays out well over $1000: 1) Single parent with two kids who gets SSI and SNAP gets over $1300/month. 2) TANF in New Hampshire is over $1000/month. 3) Housing subsidies. 4) Daycare subsidies with multiple children in daycare. With nothing else to fall back on because those programs have been eliminated or for fear of losing what they currently get, his proposal would increase poverty if his worst-case scenario comes true, and create a permanent underclass. And he won't provide a list of the 125 programs that people have to forfeit if they take his money, so we don't know if unemployment is one of them. We also don't know how long taking his money will keep someone locked out of the existing social safety net. Unemployment has a cap, but it pays about 60% of income. So, if someone is making $39K/year and takes the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend, that person would be giving up biweekly unemployment of $900. I hope that person has his/her house paid off, because Yang is opposed to actually doing anything about affordable housing.
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  13516.  @NoWay1969  How do we know it doesn't include unemployment if he won't provide the list? Mother Jones asked for it back in April, his spokeswoman implied that he didn't have a final list (even though he had a count long before then) and they promised to update the story if he did, and it hasn't been updated yet. I have heard people say both. Because of his opacity, I don't have trust that it won't be. And you seem not to understand how it works. There are a lot of situational things, and not only do those people not get benefits while everyone else around them does, thus exacerbating inequality (and wages have kept up with inflation over the last 40 years, so that shows why just staying the same isn't sufficient when the rungs get farther apart on the economic ladder), but they now have to pay a VAT because Yang refuses to even try to address wealth and income inequality. So, in both an absolute and relative way, they are worse off than before. And the Yang Gang bangers seem not to understand that there is often more than one program that people will qualify for, which is why it is dishonest to only mention one program to try to pretend that it is better. Yes, it makes things a lot worse. If we only have the $1000/month, that won't be enough, and that is why it will be a permanent underclass. I keep hearing that we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, but a program that hurts the most vulnerable in society and lets the rich keep every single tax loophole is not a good, it is a bad, if not an evil. And Bernie proposed things that are far better. His was similar to what Richard Wolff proposed of, instead of letting the monopolies and big corporations get most of the benefits, use the benefits of technology to force increased wages and decreased hours to increase quality of life and make room for more people to work. You can scoff at that idea if you'd like, but why do you think we have overtime laws?
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  13525.  @NoWay1969  You still don't understand how progressive and regressive taxes work, and why a VAT is regressive even with the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend fits. So, I will explain one final time, and use the example that you gave. The person who you mentioned making $24,000/year and getting an extra 12 will still probably spend it all or close to it. That means an extra $3272 in taxes, or 13.63% of income in taxes. If you say, "Yes, but that person got a third of their income," the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend is not treated as a tax rebate. If it were, it would not affect existing programs, which again shows that he doesn't understand how the machinery of policy works. Someone who is rich doesn't spend all of their money. So, let's take your person making $240,000/year. That person will only spend about half of income, because they invest the rest. They won't spend that extra money except to offset the taxes. So, that person will pay taxes of $12,000, or 5% of income. 5 is a lot less than 13. That is the fundamental flaw in literally every single argument that tries to insist that a consumption tax can ever possibly be progressive: it forgets the fact that the rich have far different spending habits, because there are plenty of things that are needed, and those things are a much larger portion of income for the rest of us. You can give your hypotheticals all you want, but the fact that 45 states have overall regressive taxes and they rely more heavily on consumption than the federal government betrays your argument and proves mine. At a certain point, you can talk hypotheticals all you want, but I have actual proof of what happens when you tax consumption rather than income or wealth.
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  13533.  @NoWay1969  "All we can do is repeat what the stated policies are." And this is the irony of someone who supports someone whose slogan is Make America Think Again saying to just trust him at his word and not actually look at the implications, whether or not someone actually has the authority to do something that he/she says, or whether or not it is contradictory with other things that are said. You said that you trust him, despite the fact that he has said several contradictory things about his proposals, especially between right-wing and left-wing audiences. And if you can't understand that making someone forfeit current benefits in order to get his money is a string attached, then you either have an understanding of it that no one else does, being intentionally dishonest, or being willfully ignorant. I don't know which, and at this point, quite frankly, I don't care. Now, let's look at your proposal for just how easy it would be to give someone an EBT card to cover the VAT. Well, benefit levels for most programs are determined at the state level, and the Supreme Court has already said that the federal government can't force them to change benefit levels, so that's out. So, it would clearly have to be done at the federal level. So, the federal government would have to start keeping records of how many benefits people get, and calculate the "rebate." Oh, and someone also has to keep track of who gets the other benefits in the first place. Far from getting rid of bureaucracy, this creates a new one. And you keep saying that the VAT is not regressive, when you have to add something else to try to not make it so. Do you know what would not be a regressive tax? Taxing capital gains to pay for it, because poor are less likely to own stock. Or, you could have a tax on income above a certain level. See, if you use an actual progressive tax, you don't have to use the benefit to insist that the tax is not regressive. Finally, at another point, you said that $24,000/year was poor. I don't think you realize just how much you undercut your own arguments. If that is poor, then half that is clearly insufficient. If that is the case, then making people give up what they have in order to get that money is clearly wrong.
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  13644.  @Prague3203  Yang is not for increasing the minimum wage. Why do you have to lie? His argument wasn't that the minimum wage at the federal level is too one-size-fits-all (putting aside the irony of that from a man who insisted that this will revitalize rural communities because he said that people will move to where houses are cheap, ignoring that people live where they do because that is where the jobs are), his argument was that any increase in the minimum wage will lead to job loss and "$1000/month for everyone is worth more than $15/hour." And this talk about "increased bargaining power" is little more than an incantation to try to make the counterargument go away. Who is going to have this "bargaining power"? Only 6% of the private sector and 32% of the public sector workforce is unionized, so if you aren't one of the fortunate ones like me, who is doing the negotiating? And don't give me "if people get $1000/month, they can turn down the job," because Yang himself gave the game away when he told Ben Shaprio that it's only $1000 so people still have to work, and he specifically called that amount magical. I guarantee that, for most workers, the best case scenario would be their bosses telling them "you just got an extra thousand dollars a month, so why do you need a raise from me?" if not an outright cut in wages. Your statements are based on wishful thinking rather than how employers actually treat their workers. Their goal is to keep costs down as much as possible, or else the topic of robots wouldn't even be a thing.
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  13658.  @mbburry4759  Well, did you ever stop to think that Georgia designed it in such an awful way because they wanted it to fail and resented the federal government telling them to do it? In Pennsylvania, the first car is exempt, and pretty much the only things where assets factor in at all are TANF and Medicare Buy-in or nursing home programs. And the "nearly dollar for dollar" is by definition not the case for SNAP because, for example, the maximum payout for one person is $234, and I guarantee that the income ceiling is not $234 in any state. So, your answer is, because some states design it poorly, to take it away from everyone who needs it? Using an example about it "punishing people and making it impossible to work," daycare subsidies is something that Yang would put on the chopping block, and by definition, it is there to help people be able to work. For two children, daycare alone is easily over $1000/month without the subsidies, and for one child, you are looking at anywhere from $600-800 depending on where you live. If someone is receiving the daycare subsidy, that person is probably also receiving other programs, too, such as SNAP, which puts him/her over $1000. If you've got someone making $20,000/year (and Yang doesn't support raising the minimum wage, so it is still a thing in his world), he wants to take away the thing that makes work possible in order to give someone less than his/her job is paying, or he wants to give that person nothing and force him/her to pay a regressive tax for benefits that he/she will not receive. It sounds like the Freedom with 125 Strings Attached Dividend is actually more guilty of what you think the existing social safety net does than the one we have now.
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  13812.  @davidvenegas6401  Did I say "put kids in cages"? No, I did not. I said kidnapping children. As many faults as Obama had, kidnapping children is not one of them. He didn't order children separated from their families without keeping track of the parents, then send the children thousands of miles away. If you think that is the same as "putting kids in cages," then I don't know what to tell you. And you are missing my point completely. For one, usually when I hear the word "shaming," it tends to be whining about someone saying something critical, as though someone can ignore the consequences of their actions. If you live in a swing state and don't want to vote for Biden, have at it. However, those of us who live in a swing state do not have that luxury. Like it or not, Joe Biden or Donald Trump will be President at noon on January 20. And one thing I noticed that you didn't address at all was the Supreme Court. Four of the five members of the conservative bloc are there because they were appointed by Republican Presidents who most Americans rejected in favor of another candidate who snuck in via the Electoral College at least in part because people insisted that there was no difference between the major-party nominees and wanted to "teach the Democratic Party a lesson and force them to pick a lefty the next time." (Admittedly, this played a much more obvious role in 2000 than 2016, where there was some ambiguity over whether or not that was enough.) One of the Justices on the liberal bloc is 87 and has had multiple bouts of cancer. Another turns 82 in August. If Trump gets to name the replacement for one or both of them, we may very well see labor unions abolished. (Even before Kavanaugh, they cited a decision that was overturned that struck down child labor laws. This would be like using Plessy v. Ferguson to decide a civil rights case.) Even before this round of right-wing Justices, the Voting Rights Act was gutted. If you want to ignore the consequences of those things, I will not aide and abet your guilty conscience. And unless a plane carrying Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh crashes while a Democratic President and Senate are in office. This election is not about the next four years. It is about whether any good things can be accomplished in forty years. I actually went out and did the work to try to help Bernie win the nomination. I knocked on thousands of doors, did a reading at a fundraiser, made dozens of calls, and served as a captain on a petition drive. What did you do? Did you do the work, or did you sit on the sidelines and complain?
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  14380.  @DemonDante1000  Re: what the American people want, how many Americans have you actually talked to to try to organize to get the world that you claim to want? I'm guessing my number is higher than yours. In some of those conversations, I was working with the DSA to help Bernie and to build support for Medicare for All to pressure members of Congress in the Philadelphia area to sign on to Bernie's bill. In several conversations, I noticed that there were a lot of people who actually wanted a public option when mentioning Medicare for All. The Kaiser Family Foundation poll showed that a majority who supported Medicare for All were vaguely talking about universal coverage. (This was no doubt helped along with grifters like Yang calling his proposal Medicare for All when it wasn't even a public option, and Buttigeig with Medicare for All Who Want It.) So, when the needle didn't move despite Biden saying he wouldn't sign Medicare for All, once I was removed enough from the bubble of a campaign, I realized that was because those numbers didn't mean what we thought we did. So, to apply this to your argument, if Americans really wanted a third party, we'd have one, but the fact that none has gotten 5% since Perot, only one third party or third-party candidate has gotten 5% or more in successive elections (Perot, although the Socialists just missed that in 1916 after getting 6% in 1912), and every third party that has gotten 5% has gotten far less votes the second time around says that maybe, just maybe, Americans don't want a third party long term, especially if one or both of the major parties will adopt their proposals if they actually prove to be popular enough.
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  14447. ​ @hydratanksamari  I don't know if the OP is being sincere or trolling, but expanding the child tax credit helps pay bills, but we need construction (including public housing) so people can actually buy a house, and we need to do things that our capitalist system will not crack down on when it comes to who can buy a home. In order to get a home loan, banks tend to say that you can't borrow if the house to income ratio is greater than 4:1. In 1950, the median house was less than twice the median income. Today, that ratio is closer to 8. And it's harder to save because rent is so high, so the down payment is that much lower, which means that mortgage payments are higher and people have to pay mortgage insurance. If you can somehow manage to overcome all this and still find a house, shell purchasers will offer to pay above the asking price and in cash, so good luck competing with that. Then, the shell purchasers turn around and put a For Rent sign up, and because way too many people who should be in the housing market are forced into the rental market, prices go sky high, meaning that you can't save, and the cycle gets worse and worse. Housing is in a death spiral at this point, and everyone except for renters benefits from higher prices (landlords get to charge higher rent, sellers get more money, real estate gets its cut, local governments get more revenue from property taxes, which means schools are better, and homeowners get to show off how rich they are), so there is no market incentive to address the problem.
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  14792.  Kommisar   1) In the book, Kropotkin does the math to figure out how much work it would take for each person to do the work to produce enough food for everyone. While he didn't use the term field trip, his idea was that it would be a fun excursion of two or three days a year for people to produce food. 2) I am well aware that we don't live in an agrarian society. The point is that with no money, no government, and no organization, distributing the food that gets produced becomes a lot less efficient. I could also ask who is going to maintain the roads so that the supply chain can continue to get the food to people. 3) You completely sidestepped the question of the accumulation of wealth. There will always be some way to measure the exchange of goods and services. Some people are better at managing the same amount. Therefore, those people will end up with a surplus. Eventually, someone who is not as good at handling money (I am using it as a general term for whatever society uses as the measurement for goods and services, even if not cash as we know it, so I am not talking about a semantic argument) or has some misfortune fall will need assistance. If there is no government, and over time the people who are really good at handling money are able to accumulate (and no government means no taxation or way to confiscate such wealth) to the point where people come to them. The cycle repeats itself. You cannot stop the accumulation of wealth without a government, period. Unless you want everyone to barely have enough to survive, but based on your response to the second point, you clearly don't.
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  14943.  @Xianfaquanli  Ah, yes. The old right-wing talking point about how you don't oppose increasing wages for workers because you are anti-worker, but because you are really pro-worker and don't want to see workers lose jobs. Well, besides the fact that it is phased in over several years (Bernie's plan is four, the House bill that passed was seven), and the states and municipalities that increased it to $15 did not see an increase in unemployment or inflation relative to the surrounding areas that didn't do it, what opposing increasing the minimum wage wage really tells me is that a lot of people who claim to care about working people are just fine with poverty and starvation wages. And I think you missed my entire point. First of all, I don't care if they get one book at all, that is a tax that still harms them. Second, there are plenty of things that people do buy that may very well be considered a "luxury" under this definition that they will pay. Third, if he had made his proposal both/and and actually wanted to use a progressive tax to pay for it instead of continuing his streak as the I Give Up candidate, then there would be no chance of imagining a scenario where his plan hurts the poor and disabled. Finally, in your "not hurting them," you are forgetting how inequality works. The complaint about wages isn't that they have gone down, but that they have stagnated relative to inflation, and as the rungs get farther apart on the economic ladder, that harms the people at the bottom, so if everyone gets benefits but them (and the ones who currently get benefits that are less than $1000/month don't get the full benefit because they have to give up what they currently get in order to get his money), they will suffer and income inequality will get worse. Great plan!
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  15418.  @bluesrockfan36  "We progressives" don't support regressive taxation and a version of the UBI that was descended from Milton Friedman and Charles Murray that was designed to get rid of the existing social safety net. The difference between the two is that they wanted to get rid of it right away, which made it more obvious what they were doing, but Yang wants to do it gradually. Yes specifically told Dave Rubin that this was his ultimate goal. He told Ben Shapiro that he wouldn't increase it because "the magic of a thousand bucks a month is that it is below the poverty level for one person, which means that people have to work if they want any life of meaning" (emphasis added). Now, just like the other people who think they have crunched the numbers, you are forgetting one thing: a lot of poor and disabled people won't get jack squat. Here are some examples, based on the six programs of the 125 that Yang has mentioned that will force people to give up in order to get his money: 1) TANF in New Hampshire is over $1000 2) TANF in Alaska is $923 (and they don't forfeit their oil reserve fund, either), and it is over $700 in New York and California. Once you add SNAP, they are over $1000. And those families are probably also getting LIHEAP. 3) Daycare for two children in PA is over $1500/month, and those families will almost certainly get WIC. 4) Housing subsidies is well over $1000 in high rent areas. So, you want some poor single parent who is working to get nothing and then have to pay a VAT? That is the lefty objection to the freedom with 125 strings attached dividend. It doesn't help poor people, it hurts them. You think that techno-libertarian is a dog whistle? You're funny. It refers to a lot of Silicon Valley types who like to present themselves as lefties, but when you dig into their politics and their business practices, they are as libertarian as they come. So, what did you think I meant?
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  15728.  @buddygrimfield7954  When was this supermajority? Are you talking about the whole seven months when Democrats held 60 Senate seats and one of those Senators was very sick and could only come to the floor when his vote was essential to the result? Because before that, you have to go all the way back to the Johnson Administration to see at least 60 Democratic Senators and unified control of elected government. "Most (I would think) people consider it crazy to vote only against people rather than for them." Well, other than those who insist on the wooing and wondering why they get nothing, that's a pretty common thing, and ignoring it can have tragic consequences. Imagine how world history would have changed if the DKP and the SPD agreed to form a coalition in 1933 rather than the former insisting that the Nazzty threat was a temporary one. The only thing Blue and White could agree on was that Netanyahu had to go. To see the difference in your strategy vs. the one that I advocate, look at the Green Party vs. the religious right. Which group actually got any of the things that it wanted this century, the group that said it was above it all and that people shouldn't vote for the lesser evil, or the people who complained about several of their nominees but who always showed up to vote? They didn't gain that control because they sat back and whined about how much they hated the Rockefeller Republicans. They did the grassroots organizing, took over school boards, took over local parties, and by the time they were ready to flex their muscles, they dominated American politics for a generation. The left atrophied in the 1970s and 80s to the point where you had people trying to do something, anything, to win. And then, by the turn of the century, you had the people who decided that they were above it all and didn't want to get their hands dirty wondering why they always lost. The candidates I have worked or volunteered for over the years may have a record that would get a coach fired, but at least I am fighting and trying to move that Overton Window over. And, yes, a lot of those candidates lose, but sometimes it's like a vending machine. You can't knock it over with one push. You have to keep going. It took the Socialists and the Populists 40 years to see many of their ideas come to fruition with FDR. If they're willing to fight, who are we to give up?
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  15802.  @timmarshall7292  I only saw the second response, so it makes more sense to answer the first. That's why I deleted it, because I came to realize that it was a response to something different entirely. As far as the Democratic Party solving all of society's ills, I don't think any individual or any party can do that. However, I think that, on the whole, the Democratic Party is the better of the two major parties in terms of its goals and what has happened when it has been the dominant party. I think it's interesting that you keep referring to "30-40 years," because that has been a time of dominance of the right. Yes, it is good business to do right by employees, but there is a lot of evidence that some cheaters do prosper, especially when given a free rein as they have been for decades. Watch what happens to a company's stock when it announces layoffs or outsourcing: prices go up, because it is seen as cutting expenses. There are a lot of members of the Fortune 500 that rely on sweatshop labor. As far as "make yourself more valuable," there is nothing in any job that makes its value inherent now and for always. At the turn of the 20th century, factories had some of the lowest pay rates and worst working conditions in the world. When it became unionized, those became the best jobs for blue-collar workers. As far as worshipping the King of Kings, did He not say that you cannot worship both God and Money? And, just to clarify, I'm not a socialist. Probably, the closest to my economic beliefs would be an updated version of Populism, the real kind, not this fake right-wing version that tries to divide and belittle workers. That, and a healthy mix of Keynes, the only economic theorist I've ever seen to actually to try to look at the real world instead of his ivory tower when formulating his ideas, and when we were closer to them, the economy grew faster and more people reaped those benefits than when we went to laissez faire.
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  16085.  @ricardocabeza6006  1) Oh, look. Someone who doesn't understand what a militia is. What a shock! The militia is now known as the National Guard. Article I, Section 8 says that one of the purposes of a militia is to put down rebellion. Article II says that the President is Commander in Chief of "the Army and Navy of the United States and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States." So, when would those LARPers out in the woods be called into service? And anyone who has the paperwork when he/she enlisted in the National Guard can tell you that the oath is to the Governor before the President. 2) A fetus is not the same as a five year old. Ironically, the people who claim to care about life care far more about the former than they do the latter. 3) There are plenty of things in the Constitution that don't have to be explicitly spelled out to be a right therein. One of the initial arguments against the Bill of Rights was to say that some would say that if a right wasn't explicitly spelled out in the Bill of Rights that meant that such a right didn't exist. Considering the people who insist that there is no right to privacy or to vote, their fears were not entirely unwarranted. 4) And you have proven the fault in your own logic. While you insist that the right to vote is there, you clearly support making it more difficult to vote. People who live in cities are far less likely to have such paperwork. Ditto the poor and the elderly. When Pennsylvania tried to enact a poll tax, I mean voter ID bill, the state Supreme Court struck it down because a) even its proponents conceded that they could find no examples of impersonation voter fraud in the state, and b) people in Philadelphia were literally twice as likely as the rest of the state to not have such ID. It also didn't help that the House Majority Leader at the time was caught bragging that such a move was explicitly done to throw the election one way. Now, there was a compromise that Manchin offered last year to the Voting Rights Bill that I thought was interesting, because it expanded the list of acceptable identification to include things like utility bills and leases in order to try to solve that problem. Of course, these voter restrictions aren't about election integrity nearly as much as they are about trying to distort the electorate. Speaking of which, the Constitution doesn't spell out that those who don't own property can vote. Would you support a return to that standard? After all, it's what the Founders wanted.
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  16086.  @ricardocabeza6006  1) For someone who claims to know the definition, you show no understanding of how these things work. How are those LARPers going to get called into service? 2) So, I take it that you are also a pacifist and opposed to the death penalty? And you don't think that policies that literally increase poverty and make life more difficult for the poor don't end human life? 3) And, yet, here you are making the argument that unless a right is specifically spelled out, it is "legislating from the bench." 4) Re: I-9 forms, it is entirely possible to meet the qualifications without having a photo ID. Therefore, having an ID is not the same thing as having one that is required to vote for those who advocate poll taxes. I even remember what may have been the most ridiculous part of the PA law that got stricken: if someone requested a mail-in ballot, that person had to literally go to the county courthouse to present an ID in order to be allowed to vote. Good luck getting invalids there, especially if they had breathing machines. I did an internship at a nursing home, and a lot of those people would have been denied their right to vote. It's not about proving the person is who he/she claims to be. For example, Texas allows hunting licenses as acceptable ID, but not student IDs. My veteran's ID card wasn't considered valid under the PA law because it doesn't have an expiration date. I oppose any voter ID law that makes it harder for people to vote in order to correct a nonexistent problem, regardless of where it happens. However, because there are only so many hours in a day, I focus my attention on the most egregious examples.
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  16251.  @fattonyd232  First of all, the point about the mystery producer is that the only credited producer on his show is his wife. So, either he made up a producer the way teenage boys make up girls they met from out of state over the summer (which is dishonorable because it is making a false scapegoat and having no accountability) or it means that someone isn't getting paid for his/her contributions to the show, which is hardly the lefty thing to do. Why is Sam so mad at Jimmy Dore? Because he regularly pushes lies and false conspiracy theories, and what few lefties who actually still watch his show get steered in unproductive directions that help the right. Jimmy Dore is so far to the left that he wanted Democrats to take the deal McConnell offered in the fall for stimulus money in exchange for forcing people back to work and not allowing them to sue if they get sick because their employers refused to sanitize their work environment. He is so far to the left that he continued to support a candidate who called Medicare for All un-American in the 2020 Presidential primary. He so far to the left that he mostly kept his mouth shut about Trump for four years. He is so far to the left that he thought it would be no big deal if Trump got three Supreme Court appointments. He is so far to the left that he tries to convince people that literal fascists like Tucker Carlson and the Proud Boys are good people. With friends like him, who needs enemies? And that is just his ideological heresies, not even a deeper dive into his stupidity.
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  16361.  @baph0met  1) If you aren't opposed to regulation, what makes competition "unrestricted"? What crosses the line? 2) Even Milton Friedman said that natural monopolies needed to be heavily regulated. Utilities are an example of a natural monopoly (in fact, it's usually the textbook example). Do you really think "they don't last long"? Based on what? 3) Do you know why "segregated hotels are rare nowadays"? Because the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made them illegal. I could say the same about gas stations. When I visited my cousin in North Dakota a while back, she warned me to fill up when my gas tank was half full because there were stretches where you could easily go 50-100 miles between exits. I'd hate to imagine how many people would be stranded if gas station owners were still allowed to segregate. "You can always sleep in your car or on a bench." And there it is. That famous libertarian empathy that we have heard so much about. Because why let the evil government force some poor hotel owner to integrate a hotel like it did in 1964 (and ignore the fact that it took government law to end the practice of hotel segregation) when people can just sleep on a bench? And are you really thinking that a business surrounded by enough local people who would boycott if they integrated would worry about losing the business from someone they'd possibly never see again? And the fact that you seem to think segregated buses is a selling point shows just how far you are removed from reality and being "the only ideology that acknowledges human nature"? And before you say that I am "cherry picking," I'm not the one envisioning a future of segregated bus lines as the answer to bigotry.
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