Youtube hearted comments of Kameraden (@Alte.Kameraden).
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I think one of the biggest issues people often have is they fail to understand what Nationalism even is. A Nation is an Identity, not lines on a map. It can mean almost anything under the sun when you break it down. Why do you think almost every Community thrives to make flags to represent themselves? Because they've created a Nation. They've not created the Nation State that they live under, they're often hostile toward the Nation State. But they've created their own nation within an already existing Larger Nation. The Nation State system has been confused with Nationalism, and many people actually think Nationalism is exclusively racist or Statist. Which isn't really true. A lot of Nations have no "State." But the Nation exist. Many Nations existed as slaves of other larger States, and throughout most of European history there were no Nation States, the Nation existed under the surface ruled by Monarchs and Lords who often had little in common with the people's they ruled. Why today is the era of the Nation State is because most of those Communities formed their own "States" often built around some kind of similar Identity, ie Nations, Nation States. But this happened after the fall of Monarchism, so their National Identity was the glue used and at times failed when forming their new "States" again hence Nation States.
In this context, the Working Class is an Identity, it is a Nation. As TIK has explained many times, it actually makes Marxist Nationalist who mascaraed as Internationalist. Because Marxist don't understand what a Nation even is. You see this with a lot of Leftist today who are obsessed with Pride Flags, they literally created their own Nations, their own Identities, and proudly go around parading it in front of other people's faces. They're Nationalist even if they refuse to admit it.
Nationalism in short is a very gray, murky word when you really break down what it means to be a "Nation." The American Nation for example wasn't built around Ethnic or Racial Lines. American Nationalism as little to do with Race, though some white supremacist, and black supremacist will argue otherwise from opposing camps. Nationalism doesn't = Racism in short, but Nationalism can equal Racism. Today many consider Nationalism and Racism to be the same thing which is just so blatantly wrong that it openly shows those who think that, literally fail to comprehend what a Nation even is.
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People say Fascism is a system in which the State enslaves the people, and I know it's actually far more complicated than that I've just seen so many Socialist/Yay! Marxism people excuse the Soviet system because it was for the People (When it's not, it's for the Party Elite who run the Communist Party), while Fascism wasn't, clearly showing they know nothing about Fascism, and nothing about the Soviet system and those who want to emulate it. Yet what did you get with the Soviet system? The people were enslaved by the State and I'd argue it was literally just as Nationalistic being all a Nation is is an Group Identity that has become Conscious of itself. So what do you get when the Working Class become Class Conscious and Politically organize as one community? A Nation, all Marxism is in turn Nationalism in spite calling themselves Internationalist. Ironically being most Communist parties in Europe wanted to emulate the Soviet system as well throughout most of the 20th Century. Yet somehow by the 1980s that started to shift likely as the reality started to set in that it wasn't sunshine/rainbows. Tragically, not everyone has still realized that, and I think the cloak of the USSR is starting to shroud reality once again.
Being there was no Market as well, the Soviet people has zero say, you got the products the State Allowed, and being the USSR was flat out broke by the 1970/80s the Soviet people got the absolute scraps, and suffering from horrific inflation masked by State Price Fixing of Consumer goods/food, ya.. it was pretty bad. The fact it's made so cheap you can see where they cut plastic away around the buttons just so the buttons would function.. it's very crude. I've seen some cheap electronics in my life but I've never seen them made so crudely, to where you see visible cut marks all over the product where they cut away bits of plastic to make things fit, there was no precision in it's manufacturing at all. Just by looking at it, it's likely also a soft plastic to boot. TOYS are made better than this let alone electronics. In fact the terrible build quality reminds me of some cheap toys you'd find in a dollar store in the 90s. The similar wavy looking plastic and lack of polish reminds me of cheap toys.
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He didn't say conservatives are fascist/nazis. He was expressing the Leftist point of view of the Right and Conservatives.
I mean I literally recently not even 40 minutes ago just got bombarded by someone on one of TIK's videos posted repeatedly copy/pasted quotes from Richard Evans, and Kellner trying to prove the Christian Church was in league with the Nazis, in spite of the fact you can literally go to the Holo** Museum's website, and it literally tells you why, and how much the Church resisted and eventually resorted to collaborating and keeping their heads down because doing otherwise was well dangerous, and the Church decided to protect it's people, ie members of the clergy vs resisting. Which means the Church didn't willingly side with the NS, unwillingly collaborated. Despite being an atheist I'm willing trying to defend the Church's actions and why being conservative didn't have anything to do with it.
Yet trying to convince people of such things, when they're already imbedded deep in their minds that the NS Persecuted just about everyone regardless whether left/right conservative or liberal is hard for some to grasp because they've been conditioned one way or the other.
He even posted a list of Political Parties he called Right Wing, even though one of them wasn't, that supported Hitler's Enabling Act. I literally had to show him how every single one of those parties was forcefully dissolved within months after the Enabling Act. Literally being bullied/harassed/pressured into closing their doors by the NS who promised they'd be a Collations. Of course he dismissed it and spammed more copy/paste comments. One of the parties leadership even became parts of the anti Nazi resistance, but of course..... that doesn't matter to someone that nuts.
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Implying you didn't watch the video. His premise is a premise, but the details on why he made that premise is deeper in the video. So trying to counter his "Premise" without knowing why he made that premise isn't a good way of counter arguing his video. Also your example of "Oh they said they would never invade the USSR but invaded the USSR anyways." Implying you can not take their word for it is nuts. There are a lot of reasons why they made that None Aggression Pact, and never had any plans of honoring it, and that in itself has absolutely nothing to do with whether Nazi Germany was Socialist or not anyways, in turn, your example is irrelevant to the debate.
From your link. TIK address and completely debunks this in Section 6 of his video, with a sludge hammer at that, it's hard to find your source even remotely convincing, definitely when your source was published from a Academic back in the USA in 1944, who had no direct access to information and it was all 3rd hand information. v this below is from your source and it's just laughable... it's an economics who does not seem to understand how Nazi Germany's economy operates hence why he describes it in a "Puzzling" manner ie he is having a hard time trying to find a way of how to define it.
" It was not capitalism in the traditional sense: the autonomous
market mechanism so characteristic of capitalism during the last two
centuries had all but disappeared. It was not State capitalism: the
government disclaimed any desire to own the means of production,
and in fact took steps to denationalize them. It was not socialism or
communism: private property and private profit still existed. The
Nazi system was, rather, a combination of some of the characteristics
of capitalism and a highly planned economy"
PS this part from above "the government disclaimed any desire to own the means of production, and in fact took steps to denationalize them" He is literally taking the Nazis Word for "Privatization" seriously. So even you're own attempt to say you can not take the Nazi's word for it, well this man is taking their word for it. So your source is by an economist from outside Germany, taking Nazi Propaganda, seriously.
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