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Comments by "Django" (@django3422) on "Interviewing Tommy Robinson fans on St George's Day | Extreme Britain" video.

 @Anglo_Saxon1 So was St George but they turned out for him.
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Is still a mug.
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It means she heard someone else say it once and thought it sounds good.
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@Britishempire-hv6rb You do realise you're saying that to me while defending a guy who picked the juvenile form of Thomas as a nickname? If you understood irony, you'd be dangerous. As it is, you're just a joke.
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I'm English and I've had enough of the people featured in this video. Why do you think you're some kind of cultural spokesperson?
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 @bojack6987 Again, how do you know? Did you go around and interview every other person there? Can you show evidence of them articulating their point well?
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I do hope someone has since explained to him that plate armour like that didn't exist in "George's" time.
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I've never heard anyone seriously suggest there is. But the shower in this video are an embarrassment.
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Nah, chap. If you can look at their conduct and listen to what they're saying and you feel any sense of pride, then it's really you who should be ashamed.
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Key aspect of the kinda conspiratorial thinking used to manipulate and exploit these people. The enemy must be vague and nebulous, so that it can be changed to fit their political needs.
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They did, months ago. You might be disappointed though...
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@drcommonsense1 Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty firm believer in ACAB. But I've observed footage from numerous "patriotic" events like this and there's a strong trend of inebriated and frustrated men turning up to beat their chest and get into shoving matches.
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Based on what I've seen, police only got involved when the St George lot tried moving on Westminster, which is the same thing the police would have done regardless of who it was. So NOTHING like either of the examples you gave.
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Technically no. He would have been born in a time long before Turkey was a thing. But yes, basically from that part of the world.
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What about the working class disdain for a bunch of morons who make the rest of us look bad?
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When have Muslims marched with Isis flags?
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When has he ever defended his country? You might wanna read up on his past.
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No-one said it was. You're just too fragile. Grow up and get a spine.
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What do you think the WEF is?
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@automaticasthmatic You couldn't be more wrong about them. Those marches are pro-ceasefire and anti-killing kids with indiscriminate bombardments. The speakers on these marches routinely condemn Hamas, call for the release of hostages and for a peaceful resolution and end to conflict. I know this because I've been on them. So I know you're lying.
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No lions here, chap. That's a foreign import, just like Christianity and ol' St George.
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Never been more deserved.
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You should be ashamed, trying to turn a child's murder into some kind of pro-Robinson propaganda. Especially given how prone the man is to running away from any perceived danger.
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Why do you think what they're doing is patriotic?
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Stop acting like these people are "normal".
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Why do you think he isn't? To me, he seems very keen to push the idea of national identity tied to racial traits. Which is far right.
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Which should really tell you something about this crowd.
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 @Ibluntlysaywhatithink Can you not see the irony in calling them British traits in the same breath as admitting these traits were symbolised by a non-Brit?
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If the speeches were so patriotic and profound, why could none of these patriots discuss the points raised in them?
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If you're pushing for a national identity based upon racial traits, you're far right.
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Do you think you can hold "working class" up as a defence every time? I'm working class but that doesn't mean I have to be thick as a brick with no grasp of my own country's history.
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 @davidthomas3826 Except they demonstrably don't. So try making sense.
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Grow up and ditch the childish wannabe-victim mentality.
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@Debs9150 It's kinda funny how you start by saying you didn't see any while you were there, then you state confidently that the police provoked it. If you didn't see it, how do you know?
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@matthewdean6060 Yeah, I'm working class too, never got any A levels or higher. And yeah, some people can be really condescending and patronising. Being good with words doesn't actually make one right. But turning a personal feeling of inferiority into a generalised stereotype that punches down really ain't the way to go. If you feel out of your depth on some matters, educate yourself. You've got the Internet at your disposal.
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Nah, you're pushing this negative stereotype that working class people are uneducated. That's rubbish.
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 @mark-gu1pr They're definitely not lefties, chap.
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@Nieljoyceniel How do you know?
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I love my country too. Why do you think you've got a monopoly on that? By what right do you define what it means? I'll stand up for my country and if that means standing up against ignorant tools like the ones in this video, I'll do it gladly.
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"How dare they make us look bad by showing footage of us looking bad!"
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@ellisgill1940 Nice and vague, then. Typical conspiracist mindset.
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@eyup121 Using it to justify atrocities. That's what wrong with it. If you're a strong person, but you spend your time using that strength to put down, intimidate and otherwise oppress people around you, what are you? We have lots of words for someone like that but the most apt is probably "bully".
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 @commentatorofstuff You're trying to deflect from the actual point with your strawman.
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@mokesangnem Oh, I was gonna make the same point as Neil did. Your claim was just laughably ridiculous.
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What pro-terrorist marches?
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Where did you learn such fantastical notions?
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Not sure what you think this proves.
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 @commentatorofstuff Yeah, you're well educated ain't you? That's why you talk in circles and contradict yourself. Real smart.
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Yes, it does.
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@commentatorofstuff But you just called him an English patriot. You seem very confused.
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The general attitude is one of promoting national identity based on racial traits. How is that not far right?
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@Emilyb21-dm3bf If its about respect for old people, why aren't the people in this video talking about pensions, social care, etc?
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 @Emilyb21-dm3bf Why do you think any English person can trace their family back 5,000 years?
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@Emilyb21-dm3bf Who is "they"? Through what means was this study conducted?
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@Emilyb21-dm3bf No-one is denying you your "identity". So who were the "DNA genome scientists" who were able to trace so many family's heritage back 5,000 years?
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Weak propaganda.
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@commentatorofstuff His country? Didn't you just say he was Irish, not English?
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@kennyken8587 Weak.
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 @ashwin4319-u9j You know what else is natural? Cultures and national identities changing with the generations.
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@ashwin4319-u9j So why do you think we're experiencing the latter rather than the former?
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@ashwin4319-u9j Marxism is a theory concerned with socioeconomic factors and abolishing class. What most people call "wokeism" focuses on social attitudes around systemic oppression. So what the hell are you wittering on about?
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 @ashwin4319-u9j And who told you that?
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 @obiwanshinobi76 In what way are you "standing up to" anyone? You're just having a moan.
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@obiwanshinobi76 Firstly, they aren't pro-Hamas marches. They're anti-killing-civilian marches, where Hamas' actions are condemned and British Jews march alongside British Palestinians, along with Brits of all shapes and sizes. Secondly, that's not moaning. That's what standing up looks like, putting skin in the game and opposing our government's financial and material aid to Israel. What are this lot protesting? What are they standing up to? Nothing of substance. They're just tilting at windmills.
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 @mokesangnem Was it, though?
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@freemyland38 How does that connect with anything that's being said?
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@commentatorofstuff You do realise you just agreed to literally deflecting from the point being made?
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@Jack-q1e9o The only people who believe that are those who refuse yo accept it. You are the problem.
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That's exactly what you're doing here, though.
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 @buzzflo2200 Which crusades did he fight in? Because ol' George apparently died in 303ce. The First Crusade started in 1096. So you're off by about 793 years.
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@buzzflo2200 Uh-huh? Sure.
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 @CharlesJenkins-be2cv It's almost like religion is daft and irrational.
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Who is "we"?
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@marklanahan7289 So, everyone else in the entire world?
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@marklanahan7289 So "we" is not me but is everyone like me? Make that make sense.
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@marklanahan7289 You wouldn't want people to think you're silly now, would you?
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@marklanahan7289 All of us.
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@marklanahan7289 Everyone who thinks you sound like a daft poser. I haven't done a solid head count, but that's a lot of people.
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@marklanahan7289 Yeah, that's why you commented trying to look like a tough guy innit.
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@marklanahan7289 Of course you are, sunshine.
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@marklanahan7289 Yeah? How'd you figure?
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Depends if they can find any Irish, Welsh or Scots with the same lack of education, understanding and self-awareness as this rabble.
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How do you know you're a majority if you're silent?
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@Joxar-q6v You're the one who moved to throwing out non-sequiturs.
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Who is "they"?
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@Joxar-q6v My hovercraft is full of eels.
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@ellisgill1940 Did I say you said everyone? No, I said you were vague which is objectively true. Conspiracists need to keep things vague so the ones running the grift can keep it going. To reshape it at any time so that "They" is whoever the enemy needs to be. The traits you feebly try and ascribe to me are much more appropriate for describing yourself. There's no intellectualism in your position, hence your complete inability to articulate it. Because you've let yourself become a follower.
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@Joxar-q6v Great brag.
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It's like you're looking up at the sky and arguing that it isn't blue.
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@fontainejohn Which is only sensible if you're trying to get a sense of the weather. Better than looking at a dark, cloudy sky and insisting that it's a beautiful day, which is what you do when you try and make out like PolJoe is deliberately misrepresenting people by plainly portraying their actions and words. Douglas Murray is just the kind of grifter who exploits the people you see in this video.
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They are listening. And recording, for posterity.
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I'm working class and I think this lot are a bunch of uneducated mugs.
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Slur? It's an accurate label, but you sure sound like a snowflake.
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@Joxar-q6v You sound pathetic.
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 @Joxar-q6v Challenge failed. Your life is sadder than I thought. Get well soon and good luck with your GCSEs.
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@Joxar-q6v Clearly? Then you don't what "triggered" actually means. You must have a very sheltered life. And no, I'm not brown. Can only think of one reason why that'd matter to you. Must be a sad life. But hey, prove me wrong.
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@Joxar-q6v Then how can you be so sure of the textbook definition of a Reddit user?
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@Joxar-q6v You must spend a lot of time there to make such a judgement. Are you sure you're not projecting?
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@matthewdean6060 What does "sound working class" even mean though? I think you've fallen back to that stereotype. This lot in the video don't sound working class, they sound like idiots. Probably because they are, but mostly because they're trying to talk authoritatively about something they don't actually know anything about. If I tried to talk about music theory, I'd sound like a right idiot. If I'm talking about one of my interests, topics I've taken some time to learn a bit about, I sound relatively informed. So I don't understand what you mean by "sound working class".
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Which marches are those?
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I'm in my early 30s. Well, mid. And I recognise this lot for the dangerous idiots they are.
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Means they can't explain what they're angry about. Can you?
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Your blatant lies and misrepresentation of the pro-Palestine marches is very transparent.
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Was there no violence at all then?
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@Joxar-q6v It's definitely fragile to perceive any reasoned criticism as snobbery, yes.
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How fragile of you.
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"Saint" George definitely didn't build this nation.
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Elsewhere in the country, mentally stable people had a day of respectful celebration.
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@slopernafti902 Did you miss the bit where he got caught out trying to chat up un underage Muslim girl on social media? If anything is oversimplified, its your view of why you like him. You aren't factoring in the person he is, you're just picking out things he says that you agree with.
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@slopernafti902 So it's as simple as "he thinks things I think"?
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 @thecompanion9657 What point do you think you're making?
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 @commentatorofstuff Will these proud English men accept the burden of responsibility for atrocities committed by England?
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@christineweirsingersongwriter Why not indeed. So why aren't they? Also, if you're gonna have multiple propaganda accounts you should probably give them different names so you don't get mixed up and respond to me with the "wrong" one. Oops!
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So what's your point? Entertain people's uninformed, small minded or outright bigoted "concerns" or you get right wing populists? Think it through.
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Why do you like him?
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Generalising all the pro-Palestine marches as being "Islamist" is a very lazy and dishonest approach. When has a pro-Palestine march ever been allowed near Whitehall or been free of any restrictions on movement?
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@daryllportas8453 We all read, genius. Has it escaped your notice that we're communicating via text? It's WHAT you read that matters and it sounds like you've read a lot of half-baked nationalistic nonsense dressed up as "patriotism". So tell me, what year was freedom born in England?
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@JenniSummers-vt5vzThe point, or one of them, is that these "saints" really don't represent the cultures they've been adopted by, so it's very ironic when knuckle draggers hold them up as cultural touchstones.
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@daryllportas8453 And you honestly think that was the birth of "freedom"? You're embarrassing yourself.
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What a great generalisation to make based upon a relative handful. That definitely sets you apart from the people you're being critical of.
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@westgabandon2463 Big difference between being emotional and being sarcastic. I'd say you should think about why you chose to try and deflect with a poorly formed retort rather than reflect on what I said.
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 @westgabandon2463 The irony of all your descriptive terms actually applying to your own statement...
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@westgabandon2463 Weak.
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@westgabandon2463 The definition of what? You're flailing.
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@westgabandon2463 You've not said anything of value at any point. You started with a weak, immature generalisation and only got more childish from there. So I'd suggest taking your own advice.
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@westgabandon2463 Really feels like you're just talking to yourself now.
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If you studied the history of right wing politics then you'd know how often they've masked themselves as "patriots".
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What do you think it means?
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@underballbutter Don't like what? That you think it's Christian? Nah, I'm happy. This is my home. But you feel free to sling your hook if its not to your liking.
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Some would, some wouldn't. What does it matter?
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Thanks for letting us know you're disabled, but not sure what relevance it has to the point you're trying to make. Racism and "trouble" at Robinson's events are a matter of fact and record, not opinion. And your right to say you're proud to be English has never been in question. So... what was your point?
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 @Ibluntlysaywhatithink In what way have West Indians and Pakistanis taken over the country?
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"Actually patriotic"? Get over yourself. This lot were engaging in nothing more than pantomime. What's patriotic about that?
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@GH-pt3eg I understood what you said. That's why I was able to respond to it. I also understand that you feel out of your depth and unable to form a proper response, which is why you're flailing around now.
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@GH-pt3eg Oh, so mysterious! You can't even indicate what it is I supposedly failed to understand. Because you've got nothing. Keep flailing in the shallow end, chap.
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You call people trying to force their way into Whitehall police provocation?
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 @v02ones59 "Islam" isn't a country.
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It's not really, though, is it?
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You're so desperate to be victimised... that's sad. One day you'll grow up.
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No-one's demonising them. It's just hard not to laugh at them...
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@commentatorofstuff It's difficult when you can't get your story straight, isn't it? I wonder if you can define "British values" for me.
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@GrowinginDurham So if someone expresses a view that non-whites are second class citizens in this country, should I tolerate their expression of opinion?
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You know Sunak ain't Muslim, right?
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You sound a bit deranged, Pete. Maybe lay off the GBeebies and try picking up a history book for a change?
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Most of us do.
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Which right wing channel tried chatting with pro-Palestine protestors and got met with aggression?
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@tommytinkler1708 No, you couldn't. And they were just met with aggression apropos of nothing, were they?
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@tommytinkler1708 I know you'd suggest that but I'm asking you.
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@tommytinkler1708 So naturally a police investigation followed. How is it going?
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@tommytinkler1708 You also said they would have liked to kill you. They must have expressed or demonstrated that desire, for you to know that about them. So if police were present, you must have engaged their assistance. Otherwise you're just making it up.
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"Should be"? Tell you what, find the point in British history where you think the culture is most desirable. Then go back twenty years and see how different the culture was. Your idea that the culture "should be" a certain way is pretty ridiculous. Culture is an ever-changing thing.
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 @jayengland3421 A "christening" country? And which country would that be? Because he never came to Britain.
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You go on about "Englishness and patriotism", linking national identity to racial traits, then wonder why you're called far right. I'm working class, socialist-leaning and I live in a council estate predominantly populated by migrant families. And people like you are embarrassing.
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What is the way? What they need is to pick up some history books but I don't see that happening anytime soon. And giving them no push-back isn't exactly wise either.
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No-one has to pretend to have superior intellect to the ignorant tools in this video. But you clearly have to invent fiction to try and "both sides" things.
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None of what you said there is true.
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That makes no sense.
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You think the guy wasn't insulting for remarking that your husband looked "fine" despite his heritage?
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Weak attempt to smear the Palestine protests.
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I'm English and I think you're talking rubbish. The fact you think this lot define "Englishness" proves how narrow minded and ignorant you are.
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How dare PolJoe edit this video to portray these people saying what they think...
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Maybe these were the only people willing to talk and gave permission for it to be featured. Or...maybe, just maybe, this is an accurate representation of people who were there? But no, you're right. PolJoe just ignored the crowd of scholars in attendance in favour of people so patriotic they can barely speak our native tongue...
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"Stay the way it always was"? Hate to break it to you, but culture doesn't do that. The London culture you knew was quite different than the culture that preceeded it, and so on and so on. I absolutely guarantee it.
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What's patriotic about this lot? Anyone can drape a flag over their shoulders, doesn't prove anything. Meanwhile, the nonsense coming out of their mouths proves they're not well informed about anything.
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Flag waving is for Yanks, have some self respect.
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What do you think that piece is about?
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Still using that lazy classist deflection, I see. You're not fooling anyone.
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@paddyanglais91 Is that what you tell yourself in a vain effort to protect your little sheltered bubble?
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@paddyanglais91 Cool story kid.
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They're just showing clips of this mob expressing themselves, but go off.
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I've been on one of the pro-Palestine marches. Not only did I see England flags flying, I also saw a lot of "openly Jewish" people marching in solidarity. Because Jewish people aren't a monolith and so, so many of them do not stand by Israel or their actions. And conflating Jewish people and Israel is definitely antisemitic.
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Because trying to promote an idea of citizenship and "belonging" based on a national racial identity isn't at all right wing, is it...
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@robjmck No, it's not. But it is how far right figures have consolidated power.
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@robjmck Ah ah, you're moving the goalposts. Your initial statement was about societies, not the concept of a country. If we're asking actual societies mobilising behind the ideal of citizenship based upon a national and racial identity... well, there were a few in Europe during the 30s and 40s... can't remember what ever became of them.
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@robjmck Notice you're evading the point...
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@robjmck I'm not the one trying to change the terms of the argument. I've given you my point, you're refusing to engage with it.
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@robjmck I can't make it any simpler. So all you're telling me is that you started ranting about something you don't understand at all.
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@robjmck I'm responding to your assertion. If you don't get my response, you don't understand what you were asserting. So you just fall back on moronic labels like "woke globalisation".
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@robjmck Don't lie, you've not studied anything relevant to this topic. If you had, you'd be making clear and reasoned arguments. Instead, you make fumbled assertions that you can't evidence and, when someone actually responds and challenges your view, you deflect and resort to messy word salads. Or, like you are now, you essentially commit ad hominem fallacies by trying to guess some trait of my identity and use that to distract from your weak argument. Hate to break it to you but I'm a 35yo white man who failed most of his GCSEs, never got a qualification beyond that and has worked most his adult life as a warehouse operative. Despite that, it's still not hard for me to see the blatant lie in your claim that there's nothing right wing about people who are in favour of a national identity based on racial traits.
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Why do you think these protestors are true socialists?
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@zerotolerance924 If they're silent, how do you know?
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@MistabishiTV Uh-huh. Cool story, so-called "person".
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 @creyag981 Do you not know what taxes are? Its what pays for public works and services.
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Do you think the police acted unlawfully in this instance?
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You've basically copy+pasted the same comment you made a year ago, not sure you're in any place to call others lazy.
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 @areyoustupid..... Reeeal lazy.
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My grandads were both neglectful, poisonous people who abused my grans. If they'd be ashamed of me, I'm doing something right.
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@RichardLancashire Not sure how you reached that conclusion.
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@MistabishiTV Funnily enough, I don't care about your own unsubstantiated correlation/causation waffle. Particularly from someone who certainly wouldn't meet their own standards.
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@MistabishiTV So you're not really in any position to be critical of anecdotal evidence, being that you inhabit the realm of just inventing your own reality.
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 @mrsentencename7334 How original. No other stories like that... doesn't change this lot being a bunch of ignorant tools, though, does it?
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@mrsentencename7334 I'm standing up for my heritage and my culture, that idiots like this threaten to destroy and enshrine their own daft notions in place.
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Whats this "coping"? You're the one twisting events to fit your preconceptions.
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Because its not like he's ever expressed such views, is it?
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I'm 35. Definitely left wing and I can remember yearly St George party's in our local community, because my socialist mam was organising them.
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They're definitely uneducated. And that lack of education drives their BS attitudes and opinions. I think the bar for being "decent" is a good deal higher.
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@MistabishiTV Uh-huh. Do you consider stuff like that when assuming a person's identity based on one YouTube comment?
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Yeah, such a shame they missed the crowd of scholars with flags around their shoulders.
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You think this is patriotism? That's worrying.
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It's got nothing to do with class. We're not dumb because we're working class, we still recognise a dangerous moron manipulating people.
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Yeah, that'll show 'em... probably. Not sure who, either.
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How have you reached that conclusion?
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@gmv8201 I do have pride in my country. But the lot in this video are a national embarrassment. You need to wake up to the fact that your narrow definition of "country" and what it means to have pride in it is not a view shared by everyone who calls this land home.
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@MistabishiTV I think you're lying. I have many migrant families as neighbours. They're as insular as the English families, which is to say it varies from person to person. I know they're all working, since many of them work as delivery drivers their bleedin' mopeds keep me up at night. But they definitely have jobs. And none of them have committed violent atrocities. But if you go to the top of town on a Friday or Saturday night, you can find plenty of drunk English idiots looking for a fight. So yeah, I think you're dishonest in your depiction.
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 @MistabishiTV That's a big assumption on your part. No, I'm a white English man, born and bred same as my parents and theirs before them and so on. So, you wanna try again?
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It's mine too. Now what?
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Then why do they consistently support right wing ideology?
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Not even the distant past. Just their childhoods.
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You've got a painfully simplistic understanding of what "far right" means. You might wanna look to that, less you get manipulated by grifters like Robinson.
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@mistabam8279 How do you know?
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@mistabam8279 Haha, good one. But no, seriously.
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@mistabam8279 Yeah, that's not how common sense is applied. What you mean is you've assumed because it fits your own bias.
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@mistabam8279 So you polled the other 98% of people in attendance, did you?
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 @mistabam8279 You did or you didn't. If you did, you'll have some evidence to present. If you didn't, you're a liar who's simply pushing their own bias.
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@mistabam8279 Have you ever heard the term "anecdotal evidence" before?
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Do you understand why France has that day? When you figure it out, you'll understand why we don't have a day like that... As for Britain's "free and open" society, that's a very modern notion. And comes largely as a result of opening up rather than shutting down.
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@andymcroxford Do you think the subjects would make their points any better if they were given 20 minutes?
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@andymcroxford So are you suggesting that the clips used aren't representative of the attitudes and opinions present?
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 @andymcroxford Okay. Do you think the footage is faked or staged?
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"So-called"? Do you realise that you're implying that they aren't migrants, meaning that they actually are in their homeland? This is why it's impossible to take so-called "patriots" like you seriously.
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@daryllportas8453 Still avoiding it.
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@davidthomas3826 Because otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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@davidthomas3826 In case it wasn't already clear, we're disagreeing.
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@davidthomas3826 Do you agree with me?
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@davidthomas3826 You're making very broad and inaccurate generalisations about people's views and values based on your perception of social class. If you were right, we'd both be in agreement since we're both working class. But I think you're completely wrong. So we disagree that people from the same (very poorly defined) demographic will commonly share beliefs and values.
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@davidthomas3826 No, we don't. You're just declaring opinions as facts. And you can do one with the condescending "consider yourself working class". I work long physical weeks breaking my body, making just enough to keep my little council estate flat. You might think you're some kind of arbiter on what traditional British working class values are but you're not. You're just a loud mouth who doesn't get out enough.
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@MistabishiTV Is a migrant stabbing different from a native stabbing, then? Much of the community I live in is made up of migrant families these days. Unsurprisingly, they ain't the ones responsible for all the knife crime, muggings and such going on.
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I heard what he said when he tried hitting on an underage girl on social media.
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What did you think was substantive?
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@stevejones9607 Their identity isn't being eroded, they just sacrificed it for convenience and are now sulking because they don't get the attention they desire. As for comments of immigration and political competence, it'd help if this lot had any idea what they were talking about. Your comment on sacrifices by ancestors only holds if you think they'd actually have sided with the people they died fighting. And if that's what you believe, I take serious offence to that.
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@stevejones9607 Really? So when they buy something, do you think they support a shop owned and run by people in their community or do they go on Amazon and get it delivered cheap to their door, next day? If they're hungry, do they go to the cafe or just pop into Maccy D's? I don't know the answers but I can make an informed guess, based on how massively successful and dominant those companies have become in our country. Its not political decisions I'm talking about but consumer decisions. And these are the questions we should be asking ourselves. How much pub culture has been weakened and damaged by cheap pints at Wetherspoons?
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 @daryllportas8453 You're avoiding the question.
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That's a pretty extreme and ungrounded response. It's not the case that ANYTHING "to defend" England is classed as Nazi. That's just not true. And what about Wales or Scotland could be considered "extremely fascist"?
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Very disingenuous of you to make this about class. I'm working class, nearly everyone I know is working class, and I don't know anyone who isn't embarrassed by this shower of morons. And I'll include you in that, since your argument for why St George is a fitting "patron saint" for England is that he was Christian and England used to be Christian. Couldn't get more simple if you tried. And no, this ain't a Christian country anymore. The church has lost its hold, we're secular again and better off for it.
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@GrowinginDurham So why are you framing this expression of opinion as bad?
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