Comments by "D Mc" (@dmc8092) on "Correcting Feminist Myths (Pt. 1) | Christina Hoff Sommers | WOMEN | Rubin Report" video.

  1. I have always considered myself a feminist, but I have to admit I never knew about these sort of gender studies things--now I'm a little more picky about what I support. I still don't support the MRAs because I think they're not actually about men's rights but are more against feminism and I don't like the libertarians because they tend to go way too far into the extreme, but I am interested to hear what people like Sommers are saying. Luckily, we didn't have gender studies at my college--or I didn't have much to do with them, but the LGBT studies groups are just as crazy and make me fear for our movement as well. I find myself rejecting most philosophies of late. I think Humanitarianism comes closest to what I respect.
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  2. mr pleb Why don't men's rights advocates speak to these issues?  If they would spend even a tiny percentage of the time they spend complaining about feminists actually trying to educate about circumcision or prison rape or stop and frisk or any number of issues that affect men adversely maybe something would get done about them. 
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  3. Sinus Wutz I oppose circumcision but I don't think men's rights groups are nearly as interested in ending it as they are in complaining that feminists don't work as hard ending it as they think they should.  It may very well be equally important but it's not feminists who are circumcising children--it's religions and medical authorities who are certainly not feminists.  If MRAs did more to stop circumcision or prison rape I might support them--but they don't.
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  4. bellarose I don't think this "female community" you're talking about is a real thing.  I think you have some people who agree with you who are female and you're applying those opinions to a "community".   You don't know what lgbt people do (and by the way, the "ls" are all women) so you get all your info from highly biased sources.
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  5. Sinus Wutz You know what.  These "harpies" aren't mine and they're not going stop.  And if you let them stop you that's your fault.  They're not keeping you from anything--the only thing keeping you from anything is that you're not doing anything except blaming feminists who actually have nothing to do with the issue.  Feminists aren't behind circumcision and for the most part they're not causing men to kill themselves. 
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  6. bellarose Do you mean "feminist community" when you say "female community"?  Because I know a lot of "females" who don't agree with you.
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  7. mr pleb What feminists claim to speak for men's issues?
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  8. Sinus Wutz Wow, how did I make you so mad? I'm Cis too, Do you know that that means?  Why should feminism address male circumcision?  It has nothing to do with feminism.  For that matter what do you actually do about circumcision other than blame feminists? You seem to have really misrepresented everything I've said. Again, when MRAs actually start doing something about issues like circumcision or prison rape I'll take them seriously--but they don't.
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  9. mr pleb Really?  Then, just as all the other groups before them who were talking but not being listened to they need to do something.  Do you think lesbians and gays got the right to marry by sitting around talking about it?  Do you think women got the right to vote or the right to have legal abortions by just talking?  No.  Do something, stop whining and do something.   I was in England several years ago and there were protests about child custody issues--at least the word was getting out.
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  10. mr pleb The fact is, whenever I have talked to MRAs about any of these issues their actions have always stopped at complaining about feminism.  Feminism isn't what's pushing circumcision--it's religion and the medical industry--that's where you've got to focus--not on feminists who really don't have a lot of power in the greater scheme of things.
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  11. Sinus Wutz Wow, you get denied--just like every civil rights group in history. 
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  12. mr pleb If your movement doesn't gather strength it's because you're not appealing to other men--not because feminism is keeping you down.  The fact is, most men aren't upset by the issues you present.  Men, for the most part, don't care about circumcision and treat prison rape as a joke.  For that matter--you seem to concentrate completely on circumcision.  Is that the only issue you really care about other than trashing feminists?
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  13. mr pleb Great beginning.  Now keep going.  This person was probably denied but kept going.  He did more than complain and whine about feminists.
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  14. mr pleb Where did I say it was okay to deny them?  See, that's the thing, you are immediately defensive even though I said nothing of the sort.  What I said is that MRAs aren't actually doing anything except whining about feminists.  It's great this person got a domestic shelter (by which I guess you mean for men because there are other abuse shelters) but that's not enough.  You have to know where the fight is, it's not feminists who are denying you--it's the system which is mostly controlled by other men.
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  15. mr pleb Also, after a quick search it seems like many of the male domestic abuse resources are also anti-gay, that seems like a huge mistake. 
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  16. Sinus Wutz Where did I make fun of you?  Where did I make fun of circumcision?  If you attack everyone who questions you it's no wonder people don't want to support you.  And is circumcision the only issue you care about?  You need to educate people rather than just trying to shame them.
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  17. mr pleb I think you need to stop comparing everything to feminism.  Feminism is established for better or worse, MRAs aren't.  If you want to be taken seriously you have to show that you are.  One shelter isn't enough--and again, you need to recognize where the actual power lies, which isn't with feminists.
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  18. Sinus Wutz This is where I don't think you actually want to do anything.  I think you just want to feel victimized because that's how you perceive these other groups so you feel like that's not fair.  The real power comes when you stop acting like a victim and take action.  Educate people about suicide (like the LGBT movement has been doing for years) educate people about circumcision (like international feminists have been doing for years) and try to enact legislation that will help.  Follow in the footsteps of the guy that got the shelter and set up organizations that do something about these issues.
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  19. Sinus Wutz I think it is an issue and I don't think MRAs do anything about it except complain.
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  20. mr pleb Feminists aren't responsible for circumcision. 
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  21. mr pleb They are not stopping MRAs from doing things.  MRAs just aren't doing things.  Whatever is stopping MRAs from doing things--instead of whining about it, try harder.  Do you know how long it took for gay people to strike down anti-sodomy laws (some of which are still on the books).  Do you know how long it took for women to get the right to vote?  I suspect if there were enough men who were interested in doing these "men's day activities" they wouldn't be able to shut them down. 
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  22. mr pleb Then these MRAs need to keep talking.  Women, gays, racial minorites were shut down for hundreds of years.  I think the fact is, most men just don't feel oppressed.  If you want to educate them just as women, gays and racial minorities have been doing for much longer then that's what you need to do.
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  23. mr pleb +Sinus Wutz  In fact.  I wonder if it's not the fact that you're men and used to having everyone listen to you that isn't the problem.  That it isn't happening right now you are, instead of going on, just pouting and saying "nobody's listening to me".  Fire alarms--wow, that sounds like things that have been happening to minority groups for years, why should the MRA group be any different?
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  24. mr pleb Sinus Wutz It's funny that you both think I'm attacking you and minimizing your issues when, in reality, I'm actually encouraging you.  But, you both would rather whine that work.  It makes me think your movement is doomed to lethargy.  I suspect you both spend more time gaming than you do trying to stop circumcision. If early feminists, gay rights and civil rights movements had followed your lead nothing would have changed ever.
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  25. mr pleb Go back to the early part of the 1900s and tell me people were listening to feminists.
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  26. Sinus Wutz I'm not having any bigotry.  I'm telling you you're not working hard.  I haven't put down men and I haven't put down your cause.  But I like the way you try to copy these campus groups by trying to silence people by accusing them of bigotry.  There's something you learned from feminists.  Too bad it's not really useful.
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  27. mr pleb You're not giving speeches.  You're whining about feminism in the comments on Youtube.  You've barely addressed any of the issues you claim to care about because that would take away from you whining about feminism.
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  28. mr pleb I'm a cis white male. And if your speech is shut down--keep talking.  Feminists and gay people were actually arrested and beaten for giving speeches. 
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  29. ***** One educates the populace to gain support of it's goals--just like feminists, gay people and other minorities--racial or philosophical have done for centuries.
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  30. bellarose Yes,  I've seen lots of gay men speak on the issues women face.  But most of us think women should speak for themselves and that we don't need to speak for them.
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  31. mr pleb No.  I'm saying feminists are like the men who shouted down early feminists and gay people and wouldn't let them speak.  If you let yourself be silenced it's your fault.
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  32. bellarose Gay men are a big part of clinic defense but we think women are better spokespeople for it.  I was picketing as a part of clinic defense and other women's issues since the 80s and I would speak about it in my own groups such as ACT UP and Queer Nation but the spokespeople (who were usually women) for those groups did a better job as the public face than I would have.
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  33. bellarose And less importantly, I stand up for women's issues on Youtube message boards.  But, when feminists go overboard they need to be criticized for that.  They should let these MRAs have their meetings because then everyone will be able to hear how little they actually have to say.
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  34. ***** One talks.  One has meetings in apartments, dorm rooms, wherever.  One educates friends on their issues.  One talks about the actual issues rather than just whining about the mean feminists.  If your whole thrust is anti-feminist you're not going to be taken seriously because once you get out into the real world no one cares about feminism but if you educate parents about circumcision and legislators about prison rape or spouse abuse someone might take you seriously.
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  35. bellarose Sounds like we should start talking about the animus against the lgbt community by people in the "female community" (really?) like you. When you say "female community" what are you talking about because I know a lot of women who love drag queens.
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  36. bellarose I am gay, so if I go by your logic I should ignore feminist issues?
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  37. Sinus Wutz What's AC?  You use all these initials and all it does is make you seem like a cult.  You're as bad as Scientology.
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