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Comments by "" (@BobSmith-dk8nw) on "Battle of Samar - What if TF34 was there?" video.
The Japanese just really have a problem in any of these type engagements. The Americans just have so many ships that are so much better than most of the Japanese ships that the Japanese seldom stand a chance - outside of early war night battles ... Here - the Japanese desperately needed Mutsu and Musashi to - not be destroyed. Except for Yamato and Musashi - ALL - of the other Japanese Battleships were basically WWI era ships. No matter what had been done in the '30's to upgrade them - these were upgrades to - old - ships. Even the Nagato class had started construction in 1917. .
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It is The Battle OFF Samar . Come on. You should know this. THAT is the name of the battle. It's not like you weren't corrected on this last time. Why the persistence in mis-naming the battle? I can't believe that you don't know better. .
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@tomdolan9761 No - it isn't - WHICH is why you don't call it that. It would be just as incorrect to say - The Battle OFF Trafalgar as it is the say The Battle OF Samar. THE BATTLE OFF SAMAR is the correct name for the Battle. YOU do NOT get to decide what the battles name is - that was decided a long time ago. This is not two YouTube Commenters arguing - that is the Official Name of the Battle. To say The Battle of Samar - is INCORRECT. Given that this is a Channel devoted to Naval History - it should be using the CORRECT name of the battle. That is what the US Navy calls it: https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/wars-conflicts-and-operations/world-war-ii/1944/samar.html That is what the National WWII Museum calls it: https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/eyewitness-battle-samar-and-loss-uss-st-lo That is what the United States Naval Institute calls it: https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2019/october/navys-aerial-arsenal-leyte-gulf Google this and the ONLY links that say The Battle of Samar - are Drachinifel's (!!!!!) Why the damn hell he persists in calling this battle by an incorrect name - is beyond me. Yes - he's a very good YouTuber - but all the other HISTORIANS use the CORRECT NAME. YOU and HE should stop being twits about this. .
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@gwtpictgwtpict4214 Yes - there are a number of other battles which have multiple names. And - there are many battles such as The Battle of Waterloo - which use OF - even though the battle took place NEAR Waterloo - rather than IN it. What if I decided to call it The Battle Near Waterloo? Hunh? That would be silly - wouldn't it. Just as silly as incorrectly referring to this battle as The Battle of Samar. That isn't the name. Why are you people so stupid you can't get past that? As with the last poster - as with Drachinifel - YOU do not get to decide what the name of the battle is. The Unites States Navy GOT to decide what the name of that battle is. There are no alternate sayings - there is the correct name - and there is being wrong. My understanding of the source of the name - is that in an early report on the battle - it was referred to as - The Battle Off Samar - and the name stuck. History is full of little things like that. Yes - this is different than what is commonly done. That is why a lot of people fuck it up. But - they are still fucking it up when they say it WRONG. If you have ambitions to be a Historian - you should use the CORRECT name for the battle. If you just want to be yet another stupid YouTuber who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground - the go ahead - feel free to be wrong. As to calming down? My first post was calm. Then this twit and you - who know absolutely NOTHING about what you are talking about - see fit to argue with me. If it was just a couple of twits like you - I wouldn't care. Drachinifel though - SHOULD - know better. In fact I am certain he DOES know better. Yet for some reason - he persists in saying the name of the battle wrong. Oh ... and ... I don't know how many historians you know - but this is how they talk to each other. If you fuck something up - the other guys are going to let you know about it. This is NOT the first time he's done this. It's the second third. I said something the first time - but he's chosen to ignore that. And as to my knickers being in a twist - maybe you wear knickers but I don't. .
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@mitchelloates9406 Obviously - you are not a History Nerd (like me). Ah ... but perhaps - you are one of Drach's Fan Bois? .
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@gwtpictgwtpict4214 Not really. Look at my reply to your message in the other thread on German Panzer Grenadiers. I've just got GOMS. Grumpy Old Man Syndrome. Guys like me are dealing with the failures of our bodies due to age and - a life time of having to put up with other peoples bull shit. Whatever tolerance we may have had in our youth is gone. In each case though - you will note that I'm responding to someone who has chosen to give he shit about something. Look at the tone and content of the messages I'm replying to. The use of the word "triggered" cracks me up. It's like ... you are some how not supposed to get pissed off at assholes giving you shit about something. Fuck that. Someone gives me shit - I'm going to give it right back to them. If I'm wrong - and someone points that out - I thank them. None of us is perfect and we all fuck things up - but if someone chooses to be a smart ass and give me shit - and is wrong themselves - I don't owe them the least bit of politeness. A lot of that though - is a Nerds way of looking at things. For the Nerd (like me) what is important is the accuracy of the information being exchanged - not someone's feelings. Someone's feelings don't count for squat (for Nerds) - and that is how they talk to each other. And - here's a clue - there are a lot of nerds studying History ... Most of the ones you see here though are still young men whose bodies are not yet failing them and have yet to put up with a lifetime of other peoples crap. .
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@tominiowa2513 That's actually a good point. Here - you will notice though that The Battle of Leyte Gulf - is named correctly - since the battle did take place IN Leyte Gulf. The traditional method of often naming Naval battles for a nearby bit of land as in The Battle of Trafalgar - is in fact in error for just the reason you stated. The Battle did not take place AT Trafalgar (which is on land) - it took place on the water OFF Trafalgar. So - the battle should really be named - The Battle Off Trafalgar - but I'm not stupid enough to go around telling people that we should all change the names of these Historical Battles. That would be really stupid. Just as stupid as saying The Battle of Samar - when it is The Battle Off Samar. And once again - for anyone thinking this is Nitpicking - that's what Historians do. If don't you believe me - try getting a Graduate Degree in History and using the WRONG name for something in one of your papers ... See what happens during Peer Review ... All I'm doing here - is a holding Drachinifel to the standards he set for himself when he labeled himself a Naval Historiographer. If he was just another stupid YouTuber doing Reaction Videos(!!) I ... might ... not bother. Normally - his videos are excellent - so I expect more from him than some YouTube Reactionary. .
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