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Comments by "RiC David" (@RiC_David) on "Why Bother Saying Goodbye?" video.
This isn't just white people at all. Are you familiar with African and West Indian culture? Because here in England we (black English people) are descendents of recent immigrants and know full well that social etiquette exists (especially concerning eating) within black communities. I don't like this whole "it's white people" thing. We're not as different as some people enjoy suggesting.
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This is a really good topic, it's always interesting to hear other people's take on etiquette.
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And he has that classic "why you grabbin' me?!" response any time you point it out - say something unreasonable but suggest that it's unreasonable to acknowledge that you said something unreasonable! It's like yelling "WHY ARE YOU MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT?!" when you're making it into a bigger deal than they were. It's a good defence mechanism because it's usually effective but it's just a disingenuous way of deflecting criticism (probably not done consciously).
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That's where we differ - I don't believe myself to be the persona I wear. I recognise it as seemingly necessary for interaction in this world but I see that it is not "I". We're something purer and simpler, that which comes before all the concepts we place over naked perception; most of the time the ego/identity is in the driver's seat though.
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You call it work but it's just me reacting to something, there's no real work involved - it's almost spontaneous. I'm not sure that I came up with scenarios regarding your life but the characteristics (defensiveness, paranoia, hostility) aren't unique to you - it's the mind's tendency. We can override our mind's behaviour but few of us try to. You can call it all trolling/joking but you're only sounding slightly different now!
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You're joking to make a point - that point being "we shouldn't be rude when we leave". Obviously you deliberately exaggerated but you didn't take a 10 to a 50, you took a 1 to a 50. I love humour but it just didn't make sense. And you get a buzz out of being disproportionately insulting to people, I get it - you're incredibly defensive, shifting all criticism to the other person. I can only read what you write; if you write something you don't mean, I'll obviously asume you mean it.
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I hate that goodbye conversation. Those sort of things really screw up my enjoyment of an event - knowing that when the time feels right to leave, you won't actually leave for quite a while. Conversations are perfectly fine and welcome during the "we're at the party" stage, at the "we're leaving the party" stage they become irritating delays It's like when you're waiting for somebody to come off the phone and they keep saying "Okay well I'll let you go..[5 minute conversation extension~repeat]"
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With every perception there's the chance that that perception is completely mistaken; this happened before and it's happened here. My wording gave no clue as to what tone to read it in and so you went with smug/sarcastic/condescending. This was an error; if I wanted to be sarcastic or insulting, I'd easily do so - I'm good at it and thoroughly enjoyed it up until quite recently, trust me you'd know about it. Unless your joke *was* fart style humour, there's an underlying point to the words.
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Those weren't the options, you just made one option 1,000 times worse to make your choice seem more obvious.
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Ha! No, I'm not really a people person funnily enough. I enjoying seeing people but I wouldn't want to share my life with anybody I know. Fortunately I'm almost asexual (technically I'm not but I'm not interested in sex so in practice) so I don't crave a partner for those reasons. Heh, hearing about hermits/recluses I'd always think "that's what I want to be!". To most people my setup would be hell but to me there's would be the nightmare. I'm in England by the way so, you know, distance.
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What you write is as long, often longer than what I write. I'm not prudish or snobbish to other people - you can check for proof. *You* are the common denominator here - you use the "I was just joking!" retort but I'm just calling bullshit. Again, you were joking *to make a point*. Now you suggest there was no point. That's not true and I call people out when they're disingenuous. Why leave Youtube comments if you're so bothered by people addressing them?
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Saucypants/your real name and "I don't take no shit"/however you define your actual character, it's interchangeable anyway. If you're going to troll me and I'm going to respond, I'm going to do it in the way that I find constructive.
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We're all like that though, as I say it's the human condition - I'm not thinking that I know you as far as personality, soul, all those things, I'm saying that you were reacting and responding completely as the ego. Again, it's a universal thing.
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Others do like me; they don't have the experience of me that you have because you reap what you sow - most people do not respond to me as defensive Egos. Your criticism of me is that I see; you insist that there is nothing to see because you see nothing. You have no idea how you look to people other than yourself. To others, *you* are "whining" while I'm unemotional. I don't even dislike you because I recognise "you", you are the same internal spindoctor inside my head and everyone else's.
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Okay, seems a bit pointless but if you enjoyed it then whatever.
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I'll definitely say goodbye to the host, unless it's one of those house party situations where the host doesn't know me and isn't fussed about me one way or the other. Other than that I'll just say goodbye to a bunch of people at once.
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Hating me only hurts you, it's never in your best interests to hate anybody - the venom won't reach me but the poison will rot within you. I still have our previous exchanges in my Gmail; not once have I been rude to you but you've repeatedly attacked me. Look how this started - I just said "you exaggerated so much there that the underlying point that joke made, didn't work" You take criticism very personally and respond with very personal attacks. It's not me you hate, it's feeling diminished
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