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Comments by "RiC David" (@RiC_David) on "Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?" video.
@judoyodan They wouldn't all have guns if you weren't allowed by law to own guns anyway! If you're saying "shit's fucked, so it makes sense under these circumstances" then I at least understand your argument, but needing to protect yourself from idiotic citizens with guns is a terrible argument FOR letting idiotic citizens own guns.
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Pointless piece of wasted advice: If you think "they" are coming for your guns, how about waiting til "they" come for them before shooting people?
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@judoyodan As I said, I can understand the "shit's fucked" argument, though I don't agree with it as the best solution. Gun control would take generations, but to me it still makes more sense to work towards that than to stick with the current system. I don't believe for a second that more tragedies have been avoided by everybody having guns than have been made easily possible - such a thing would be tough to prove either way, of course. I can agree to disagree here.
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@judoyodan In jest mostly, but we seem to have struck upon something within that small fraction of genuine opinion. I don't see the contradiction, but maybe I'm missing it. If being allowed guns helps you defend yourself against others who are allowed guns, then not being allowed guns (for your average citizen) would have achieved the same result with altogether less guns (and deaths). And it's easy for you to say that all the people with violent feelings would have guns, but I live in a...
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@thegreenseven Yes they can, but in their present form they don't. When somebody repeatedly tells their audience that a certain person is a heartless murderer, when they refer to specific real life individuals as in need of being taken out while using language that suggests violent action, when they essentially hint about killing them, that is not comparable to media which plays with violent themes for entertainment value without direction of real life encouragement.
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@bluefootedpig Yeah, except if it turns out you were wrong about the government coming from your guns and you wound up shooting a bunch of people and ending their lives for no reason. That's why I propose waiting until they come knocking at your door, call me crazy.
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A lot of people seem to live in some sort of cartoon world. I keep hearing that the shooter was menatally disturbed, or had psychological problems. Yes, okay, got it. But you guys do realise that having psych problems doesn't mean that everything you do is utterly random and that you therefore just attack anyone with no rhyme or reason? Someone with psych issues may be prone to obsess over things they care about. Like this man did.
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@bluefootedpig Well absolutely the U.S. government (and my own country's following right behind) are far, far from role models. If that was your main point then I get it, I just don't want to excuse the mentality of these killers for a second.
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@thegreenseven Playing a game in which you hunted down and killed specific individuals or those belonging to specific political groups may well incite certain people to direct their violent urges towards those people, especially if the game suggested that your actions could be applied in real life. That would be a fair comparison. We're not saying the Palin/Beck et al. *turned them into* violent people, we're saying they gave them targets and encouraged their violence.
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...country where citizens do not have the birth right to own a gun, and I assure you that not every person with bad intentions owns a gun. Sure, we have our gun related crime, but to believe that gun related crime would not be lessened if fewer people owned guns is simply absurd. To believe that there haven't been situations in which tragedy was avoided by lack of ready availability of a firearm is absurd.
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