Comments by "Triple 9" (@Betta66) on "Not a Conspiracy Theory: The FBI Infiltrated the Trump Campaign Re: Papadopoulos" video.
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@dmcook333 1. If you think he's such a patriot, then maybe you should address what he's saying.
2. Federal campaign finance law prohibits any person from soliciting campaign contributions, defined as anything of value to be given to influence an election, from a foreign national, including a foreign government.
So when Trump said on July 27, 2016 that Russia should hack Hillary's emails, for which they would "probably be rewarded mightily by our press," that meant he was calling on a foreign adversary to locate and release something that was of great value to him and his campaign. The counter-intelligence investigation into Russian election interference began on July 31. Additionally, the use of informants is standard practice in any FBI investigation.
3. I've found a partial transcript, but a full transcript is proving hard to find.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1703/20/cnr.04.html
I did find this, though.
Rogers was asked about the claim that GCHQ monitored Trump on behalf of the Obama administration, and if he had ordered such surveillance.
‘No, sir, nor would I, that would be expressly against the construct of the Five Eyes agreement that has been in effect for decades."
Such surveillance would be illegal, he said, and the allegations from Trump “frustrate a key ally.”
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@dmcook333 Yet to be presented with a legitimate lie? We could be here all day if I showed you every lie Trump ever told, so let's go in reverse order from April to the beginning of this year.
- "If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer."
(Neither the White House nor any scientific study supports that claim)
- "My father is German, right? Was German, and born in a very wonderful place in Germany."
(Fred Trump was born in New York)
- "Instead of doing infrastructure, instead of doing health care, instead of doing so many things that they should be doing, they want to play games. President Obama, from what they tell me, was under a similar kind of a thing — didn’t give one letter. They didn’t do anything. They didn’t give one letter of the request. Many requests were made; they didn’t give a letter."
(For the most part, the Obama administration did turn over documents demanded by lawmakers.
The Solyndra investigation looked at 300,000 documents, the IRS investigation looked at 1.3 million, the Benghazi probes looked at hundreds of thousands, and Fast & Furious looked at more than 10,000)
- "Former Senator Harry Reid (he got thrown out) is working hard to put a good spin on his failed career." (Harry Reid left on his own accord)
- "The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there." (There have never been any terrorist attacks from Afghanistan in Russia. The primary motivation behind the Soviet invasion was to balance against a perceived growing U.S. interest in Afghanistan in the late 1970s)
Are you sure you were never presented with a legitimate lie or do you stubbornly refuse to look?
And don't give me that "Trump is only joking" bullshit. It's a lazy cop out compounded by the fact that no instance of Trump excusing himself with "I was only joking" was ever actually funny and you know it. As for Rogers' testimony, I was referring to his testimony at the House Intelligence Committee hearing in March 2017.
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@joelellis7035
You wouldn't have your mind changed even if I did play by your rules. I couldn't find any explanation as to why the FEC didn't fine or indict Trump, and that just happened to be the closest thing I could find, so I used it to make a point about the relevant incident. But even when I am, and I point out that solicitation means asking someone to commit an illegal act (which Trump did by asking the Russians to hack Hillary's emails), and that Michael Rogers said Trump lied about being wiretapped by Obama (which Trump himself said he had no evidence for beyond "a little bit of a hunch”), what do you do? You move the goalposts. "Oh no, he didn't solicit help from the Russians, even though members of his campaign staff were decidedly receptive to receiving aid from Russia. You can't solicit help from someone who you don't know is listening [which is like saying you can't, you can't solicit nations, you have to prove his intent was to solicit aid, and you can only solicit after you've washed your hands three times." I would argue Trump had good reason to believe Russia was listening. The previous month, Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort, had a meeting at Trump Tower with Russians who they believed were offering damaging information about Clinton. Prior to that meeting, Don Jr. had received an email stating that the meeting was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
And don't tell me Trump didn't know about the meeting. He totally did.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400437-trump-defends-trump-tower-meeting-amid-reports-hes-concerned-about
Also, solicitation is an inchoate crime, meaning it's an act taken toward committing a crime or an act that constitutes indirect participation in a crime. So if it was illegal for the Russians to hack Hillary's emails, then Trump would be aiding and abetting.
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@sarahhaugh7922 Trump was in a lawsuit in the mid-2000s during which it was found he was also guilty of deleting emails. Jared Kushner, Steve Bannon, Reince Priebus, Gary Cohn, Stephen Miller, and Ivanka all sent classified information through private email servers just like you want Hillary hanged for. If it seems like Democrats are grasping at straws, it's because you either ignore or make excuses for every dishonest, hypocritical, and even outright criminal thing Trump and his team do, meaning you're as guilty of selective outrage as the Democrats. And you think you're being noble defending Trump with a lazy, bullshit cop out of an excuse? He wasn't telling a joke; jokes are supposed to be funny. Go fuck yourself.
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@nonplayercharacter6478 1. I've seen people unironically call Trump "God Emperor," and you tell me I hold him to high standards?
2. My standards for Democrats is that if you can prove one of them did something wrong, I will be convinced not to support that one Democrat. You can claim you feel the same way, but I'm preemptively calling bullshit because I've spoken to enough people in these comments sections to know that all the evidence in the world won't make you pull your head out of Trump's ass.
3. You want proof that Trump is dumb? You must've heard him say that windmills cause cancer, that you need an ID to buy groceries, or that climate change isn't real because it gets cold in the winter. You can claim he was joking when he said China respects his very large "a-brain," but that wasn't a joke. Jokes have punchlines. No, he really thinks he's a stable genius. People don't go around bragging about how smart they are unless they're extremely insecure and/or really dumb.
4. Whatever talent he had in real estate clearly didn't translate into his presidency. Even then, for every success he had, there was either a business that didn't take off (like Trump Airlines, appropriately enough) or a lawsuit (over 3,000, to be precise). I'm not saying he was dumb for getting in trouble, I'm saying a smart businessman would know how not to get caught in trouble.
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@nonplayercharacter6478 1. I think it's good news that the economy is doing well, but since not every factor that contributes to a good economy can be traced to the president, I caution against Trump taking credit for something he didn't do.
2. No, I don't blame Trump for what his supporters call him. But if that's the kind of mindset his supporters have, what conclusion am I meant to draw about him?
3. I'm going to answer that question with a question. If political figures can get jail time using unsecured devices, can she get a separate cell from Donald Trump? I ask because Trump has gone as long as five months without having his unsecured iPhone checked by security experts, whereas Obama had his phones checked monthly. I'm not saying Hillary shouldn't be held accountable, but we can't just pick and choose who we demand to be held accountable or else you're no less guilty of selective outrage than Democrats.
4. Obama knew about election interference, yes, but to say he did nothing about it is a lie. His administration made repeated attempts to get Russia to stop, and also to inform the public about what the Russians were doing. Obama said he himself told Russian President Vladimir Putin in September 2016 "to cut it out," vowing "serious consequences" if he did not. The administration sought support from bipartisan congressional leaders to send a letter to state governors to urge shoring up of their defenses of election infrastructure. But they were rebuffed by Republican leaders, who viewed the request as partisan. The Obama administration also issued a set of sanctions to punish Russia for its interference in the 2016 election and booted 35 Russian diplomats the US accused of being intelligence officers. Meanwhile, what has Trump done? Tell me or you're more useless than Ivanka.
5. That "global cooling" thing was already discredited, and you have the gall to say I'm gullible?
6. Never tell a Jew he doesn't know what a Nazi is.
7. Go fuck yourself.
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