Comments by "Ōkami-san" (@mweibleii) on "FCC Passes Net Neutrality..." video.
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Has Comcast or any other network provider charged $0.10 cents a post, listened in on your Skype conversation (outside of NSA forced recordings), or ANY of these other "possibilities"? No. They haven't. Because people will go to a different provider.
Now that the FCC has control over the internet, expect a Government issued logon ID. This is exactly what our Progressive Socialists want. To be your Internet Nanny.
Oh, and the FCC isn't cheap. We have to pay for more bloated bureaucrat salaries. Expect your monthly Internet tax to fit in nicely with your logon ID and NSA monitored usage fees.
And to ensure your not using up more than your "fair share" of the internet / The Commons, no more video game streaming, etc... no more torrent sites, no more anything Progressive Nanny doesn't like. You'll see. This'll turn out just like everything else the State F#@%$ up: public schools, financial regulations, FDA pink slime, police speed traps, etc....
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silat13 It's not a monopoly, if it were a monopoly then the solution would be to break up the monopoly. Although, in general, monopolies benefit the buyer and are usually bad only for the competitor. History shows monopolies generally align with a low cost point to keep competition from entering the market. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of Progressive magic thinking. Never mind that everything the State has touched turns to shit: See Public Welfare ghettos. Government schools with their 1 in 5 functionally illiterate graduation rate, the NSA and it's spying on Citizens, the never ending wars the State continues to lose year after year, the FDA regulated pink slime or the Central Bank bailing out the top 0.01% to the tune of trillions and etc...
Don't worry, by the time the FCC is done, you'll be paying much MUCH more and getting a much slower, much more regulated internet with a Logon ID and daily limit - you know, for the Good of the Commons. Would want you using more than your fair-share of the Commons. Thank you Progressives, another industry you've destroyed. The LAST tiny bit of freedom snuffed out thanks to our Central Planning Progressive Socialists.
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ckildegaard There's no need for the FCC, simply use contract law to deal with companies that slow speeds to certain websites. If you sign a contract with Provider X that says they will not slow down speeds, and they do, then they get sued. It's that simple.
But don't worry, the FCC "protecting" you from something that isn't happening but might, maybe, could, someday, happen - is just the camels nose under tent. We'll pay more for a slower internet and eventually require an internet ID to logon to the internet. The Government will continue to regulate every aspect of the internet until programmers are required a State licence and to open an internet site will requite a licence. You know, so your State Nanny can protect you from something that might happen one day.
And thus, you Regressive Socialists will have destroyed the last free-market left on Earth. By the Gods it sucks having to live in a country with pathetic people who need a Nanny. Oh well, to anyone out there who isn't in need of a Nanny, my suggestion is to become one. Because there's plenty of American's who need looking after.
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silat13 Libertarians are for a limited government. It's what the USA was founded on. The first 10 amendments to the US Constitution are to protect us FROM government. The US Constitution is to protect FROM government.
LIMITED government, not no government. Libertarians want a Government, just a small one. Libertarians support: sound free market money, ending labor tax, support contract law and laws that protect private property. All of which requite a small amount of government.
In the past, because the US government was limited, Americans were forced to work WITH one another. Not so in modern America where the US Government is now the largest single entity in human history. The US Government can be used AGAINST other Americans - even, as in this case, just because 'maybe' a company 'could', 'maybe' one day slow speeds to a site, even though this has never been a problem in the USA.
Yes, humans work best together with a non-violent social structure. Which is why we need LIMITED government. Because the humans who work in Government, are the one's with the most power to use violence against innocent humans. We need protected against them - the ones working in Government, the most. Contract law and competition will deal with corporations.
ONLY a Public Official can strangle an innocent man to death for trying to break up a fight. ONLY the Government can tell you who you can legally marry. The US Government is the largest polluter in the history of humanity, it uses the most of our limited energy, it spends trillions of dollars killing people in phony wars and has been doing so since the 1950s. The US government just bailed out the richest 0.1% and you keep blaming the Koch brothers? What planet do you live on??? The US Government has killed over a million people in Asian and the ME, and you keep blaming the Koch brothers? You are a State-bot. You worship the State just like a religious fundamentalist worships their religious institution. The POTUS is your Pope. Our Senators are your Bishops. The State is your religion.
Don't worry, we're getting more government, and unless you're a Regulator or in the top 0.1%, then your life will probably get worse.
Note: The Koch brothers might make a good boogeyman story for children or Progressive Socialists, but in the real world they provide hundreds of thousands of people with good paying jobs and have absolutely nothing to do with why 1 in 5 Government school graduates are functional illiterates. Oh, and it doesn't matter who you vote in as POTUS, this isn't going to alter the fact that 1 in 7 Americans are illiterate, 1 in 5 Government school graduates are functionally illiterate and of those that can read, most do so at the level of a 7th grader. Vote in for whomever you like, it's not going to change this fact.
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The AMA started out regulating medicine for "The Good of Society" because maybe, just maybe someone would sell someone else medicine that wasn't what they claimed. While we could have used contract law to deal with this, we instead gave the AMA a monopoly over Rx. This then meant only State licensed practitioners could prescribe Rx.
What was the fallout of government having this power?
1) Today over 450,000 Americans are killed by medical error each year, up from 80,000 in 1990.
2) Our prisons are filled with millions of non-violent drug dealers. Some for selling marijuana which is now legal in many States.
3) Our cities are littered with drug gang ghettos.
4) Heroin derivatives make up the drug of choice for middle class America, even though it's not legal to take recreationally, most easily get a Rx script for their drug of choice turning Physicians into drug pushers and Pharama into pain-pill manufacturers.
5) Tens of millions of students waste their lives hoping to get into a limited spot to become a Rent-Seeker in the medical field.
6) Medicine is now way over priced and falling in quality year in and year out. The MD qualification today is barely worth the paper it's printed on.
You think the FCC is going to stop here? No way. The will do what all Government agencies do, grow and this means more regulation (to keep us safe from one another) and over time all of this will become normal, eventually we'll need to pay an Internet Tax (for the Good of Society) and this will require a Log-On ID (issued by the State when you pay your fee).
When this happens, and it will, remember it was demagogues like Thom the Progressive Social Justice Warrior that killed off the last true Free Market in the world: The Internet. It may take 10 years, but our Internet Tax and ID is coming. Then you'll need a State Licence and State permission to build a website. The biggest players like Google, will buy off Government and be nearly impossible to compete against.
You'll see.
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ckildegaard Like I said, in the USSA the new norm, one could say "The American Way" isn't to deal with social problems (or in this case, total lack of any problem) using free-markets and freedom, but to turn to the use of State violence to solve any and every perceived potential social problem (or, in this case, total lack of a problem).
Like I said, IF this problem would have arisen, and by all account it wouldn't have ever occurred, it could have been easily solved using contract law and free-markets. But this isn't what Americans want. No, that would require thinking and maybe getting involved in the markets. Nope. Americans, with their collective 6th grade reading comprehension, want a State Nanny to solve any existing or potentially existing problems.
Talk about pathetic.
Don't worry, soon we'll have an Internet Tax, regulatory capture, rent-seeking and slower internet. You'll log onto your Government managed slow-net with your Government issued ID to slowly visit Government licensed websites that have been approved and issued a permit by the State.
If you ever wonder why nations rise, peak and then collapse, just look in the mirror for your answer. It's because of people like you. I was recently reading a novel written in the late 1800s in Japan about Japan's golden age, and there you were. A whiny little 17th century Japanese peasant too worried about their own shadow and more than happy to give more power to their Lord to protect them from non-existent danger. Well, let tell you how it ends, not too good for the little functionally illiterate piss-in-his-pants at his own shadow peasant.
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ckildegaard The AMA is given State privilege to licence practitioners. What? You think YOU are allowed to practice without AMA approval?!? Give me a break. The AMA has a Government granted near-monopoly on medicine. Yes, it's a Private fraternity. AND? Welcome to Fascist America where private interests use the State to control the hyper-regulated markets. Which is exactly what will happen to the Internet. It's called regulatory capture, licencing schemes and rent-seeking.
Don't worry, there'll come a day when you'll need a State Internet ID "For the Good of Society" to log on to the Internet. And you'll of course be required to pay an Internet Tax. And, to ensure you don't use up too much of "The Commons" / aka: use too much internet, your access will be measured and limited "For the Good of Society". Oh, and to develop software you'll need a degree and licence from a University. You know, for the "Good of Society" and to keep you safe from some non-danger, like a webpage that doesn't load.
The State and the Corporate interest that own it, have wanted to regulate the Internet since it became such a large FREE MARKET. The Progressives just gave it to them. They just gave the last free-market over to the State.
Don't worry, the State will destroy the free-market internet with millions and millions of regulations just as it has destroyed medicine, education, finance - everything. And when it does, remember today. The day you whined you wanted the FCC to protect you from the big scary 'free-market'.
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Expect the FCC to regulate the Internet the way the FDA regulates boiled in ammonia, snout, foot, ear, tail, skin and other off cuts colored and sold as Human "food". The Internet we enjoy today is a (nearly) free-market - which is why it's so great. The FCC Government regulated Internet of tomorrow will be a functionally illiterate pink slime welfare ghetto.
Oh, and if you think Government regulation comes cheap - think again. Once the Internet becomes part of the so-called "Commons" we will have an internet tax. Eventually, we will need an official State internet log-on ID. Much like the FCC 'regulates' what's legal to show on TV or legal to hear on the radio - that's going to happen to the Internet. Oh, and no more live-game streams or other innovative ideas. No torrents. No freedom to open up a website not needing a State issued licence. Nope, that's using up too much of the "Commons" and is taking away from the functionally illiterate Progressives' share of The Commons.
So, thank you Progressives (Social Regressives) you've just destroyed the last shred of somewhat free-markets left in the world. Just like everything else your ilk touches from Education to caring for the poor. You literally turn everything you touch into the Public welfare ghettos. There goes the last chance humanity had at (nearly) Government free communication.
Good on you.
Oh, and do enjoy your shitty Netflicks and old FCC approved re-runs. It pretty much cost us all our only free space/free-market/freedom we had left.
Progressive Socialism: Regulating your life, so you don't have to.
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For anyone who wants to know the real story and not the BS fairytale / State-worship the Regressive Socialists sold us: http://www.techpolicydaily.com/internet/caused-web-slow-down-comcast-twc-verizon/
Excerpt:
"Network analyst George Ou offered his perspective of what had happened: “Cogent purchased on the order of 1 terabit of capacity from Comcast and got 4 terabits from Comcast. When I say ‘purchased’, I mean bartered. Then they turned around and sold 100 terabits of capacity to [their] own customers. That’s why Cogent customers are suffering slow performance. Then they demanded 8x the bandwidth from Comcast at no extra cost and when Comcast refused, they blamed their slow service on Comcast.”
Note 1: As I stated, all of this COULD have been handled quick, legally, and with no need of violence using voluntarily agreed to contract law.
Note 2: If the CONgress, POTUS or the FCC were honest, then they'd also see no need for more Government regulation. But, this isn't about providing service - this is about voting buying off a largely Government schooled and functionally illiterate voting public (DoED found the average reading comprehension is 7-8th grade in the USSA) by O-blah-ma and other crooked politicians and is a power grab by the FCC so that middle and upper management can gun for high paid positions at Comcast dealing with FCC regulation - that they themselves are rapidly creating by the thousands and thousands of pages as you read this. Not only will we get to pay for the FCC, but we'll get to pay more for Internet access as the ISP providers will be required to waste more time on useless FCC made-up-red-tape.
Note 3: For any recent Government schooled graduate, an 'excerpt' is a short extract from the writing cited.
Note 4: Expect more Regulatory Capture, and now Rent Seeking on the parts of the big players as people in the FCC begin to use their State-given power as leverage over various businesses and those businesses fight back.
And thus Progressive Socialism will come full circle as the State Fascism it, in reality, already is.
Don't worry, we're getting slower, more expensive internet and we'll need a State licence and log-on ID in order to access it. You know "For the Good of Society".
Again, thank you Regressives, you're doing such a wonderful job destroying Civil Society.
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ckildegaard I provided actual evidence that no ISP provider was slowing Netflicks or any other site - yet, this doesn't matter to the State-bots. Nope. MAYBE, an ISP provider might, could, possibly will one day slow speeds AND even though this can be addressed without using the State (through contract law) our Regressive Socialists instead demand that the State (which was purposely LIMITED by the founders of the nation) expand it's size and scope even larger.... just in case.
You Regressives made the same argument in support of the decades long War on Terror. We all have to get used to the TSA, The Patriot Act, the NSA spying, the never-ending-trillion dollars wasted on Warfare - all because maybe a "Terrorist" might, could, possibly one day kill more Americans. Never mind 480,000 needlessly die every single year due to Medical Error.
Don't worry, you're in luck. Almost everyone in society thinks just you. Religious kooks who cling to their security blanket, be it their Sky-Daddy and/or their State-Nanny.
So, we get to lose yet more Civil Rights and Personal Privacy and live in a Police State where never ending Wars and bailing out the top 0.01% by the Progressive Central Bank is the norm.
My advice to you is to pay your taxes, get used to the lower standard of living and keep pulling the magic voting lever to the right or left.
Enjoy your weekend.
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In the minds of our so-called Progressive Socialists, State violence IS Progress. That's how demented these people are. They're insane. Even when provided evidence their insane delusions are just that - delusions, they still demand more State expansion and more intrusion into our lives. They will never stop until every single aspect of our lives are controlled and regulated for by the State. It's in their DNA. It's what they are.
Thus we get to live with Internet Nanny-Overlords at the FCC deciding which websites are "Legal" and have met all the FCC "Standards" and "Guidelines" and are deemed fit for Public Display just as the FCC does for television and radio.
You know, "For the Good of Society". Because in Progressive's mind, voluntarism and free-markets equals to BAD, whereas State violence and regulation equals to GOOD.
So, one day we'll see that any images, words, or ideas not-approved by the FCC / Government will be cause to revoke your Government Issued Internet ID. Exactly as the FCC controls what we hear or see via radio, tv, film, etc.... they will do this to the internet.
Then we can all live in our Progressive Socialist Paradise where the Government Regulates every single aspect of our lives, from who we can legally marry, to which herbs we can legally smoke to what ideas we can legally access to read, to which video games we're allowed to play.
Don't color out of the lines, or the FCC/Government will remove your State issued Internet ID access and if you dare to use the Internet without using your NSA issued State-Internet-ID then you get to go to jail with the other 10s of millions of Americans who committed non-violent thought crimes or dared to smoke a fricken weed.
Welcome to the Progressive State's of America.
So, again, a BIG THANK YOU Progressives for helping to destroy the last free-market in the world. All because MAYBE an ISP might, maybe, could one day, slow your God damn speed to shitty FCC approved re-runs from the 1970s. Jesus H Christ you people suck. You destroy everything you touch.
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ckildegaard
You just watch as the FCC guts the Internet. The people at the FCC couldn't give two flying shits about 'Protecting the Internet'. What a childish simpleton thing to suggest. The people running the FCC are like people anywhere else. They want power and more of it. And you Regressives just handed these sociopaths the Internet.
FACT #1) There was NO problem with the internet.
Thus, the FCC isn't protecting shit - because there was nothing wrong with the internet. But don't worry, now that the FCC has the power to 'Regulate' the internet it will not stop until it regulates the Internet just as it does TV, radio and any other form of communication.
So, again, THANK YOU REGRESSIVES for destroying the last Free-Market left on earth. You should be happy with yourselves - given how much you hate free-markets, aka: free people.
FACT #2) There is NO evidence ISP were slowing internet speeds. Actually, the opposite, the evidence shows ISPs were NOT slowing speeds - exactly the opposite of your deluded fantasy land where FCC and Government violence 'for the good of society' comes and 'saves' the day by regulating the hell out of everything.
FACT #3) YOU little State-bots are the ones who live in a fantasy land.
Even when the State outright lies us into a trillion(S) dollar Phony war that is loses year after year, guts our civil liberties with the Orwellian named Patriot Act and bails out the richest 0.1% - there you Regressives are, first in line to wave your stupid flags like the Religious State-bot kooks you are! I feel sorry for you. You must really think the world is such a horrible place that only a Police State can give you the 'freedom' you want. That's sad. Really sad.
Yup, the free-market Internet had to go all because one day, somewhere, just maybe, someday, someone might, could, maybe do slow the internet like the big bad free-market boogey man that lives under your bed.
You Regressive Socialists destroy everything you touch. E-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g. And now you've just handed over the Internet to the Government - and destroyed the last vestige of free communication and free-markets left to human society. Which is exactly what you wanted because you hate free-markets. Regressive Socialists are positively repulsive.
Like I said, you will see. Watch across the next 10-15 years as the FCC guts the Internet. As it stands, the Internet is pretty much done for. It'll become another Government Hyper-regulated stagnate market where you'll be required to have a State-issued NSA Log-On ID and fill in forms and pay fees to open a FCC approved website. You'll need to 'demonstrate there's a need for such a website' (which is common for many business licences) and if you publish something that tarnishes the FCC or the Government, you'll have your ID revoked.
You just wait and see.
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ckildegaard
I posted a link showing that ISP were not purposely slowing the internet. The empirical evidence is staring at you in the face.
The very fact that this information was available to the FCC showing they were not needed at all, AND yet these people running the FCC still (happily) accepted a new and powerful (profitable) role 'Regulating' the Internet - should at least give you pause for thought.
You do understand the State you worship is spending $600 billion dollars this year alone, fighting and losing a way it made-up? You do understand that 1 in 5 Government schooled Americans have a reading comprehension at the 6th grade level? (which explains a lot)
Anyway, being a State-bot, you cannot question your God. It's simply impossible.
So, you should instead try and image how frustrating it is for people like me, to have to be surrounded by 49.99% Theo-bot imbeciles and with the other 49.99% being State-bot imbeciles. As much as I cannot stand Religious superstition, I'll take it over State-worship any damn day of the week. State-bots have murdered 100s of millions of humans across the last 100 years.
Enjoy the FCC 'regulated' Internet along with the loss of freedom to interact freely with others in a free-market open space. That's what 6th grade level Idiocracy wanted, so that's what we get, because maybe, someday, possibly Shit-flicks may slow a little. And it only cost of our last free-market left on earth. You Regressives should be proud.
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