Comments by "Ōkami-san" (@mweibleii) on "The REAL "austerity" agenda is to privatize the commons" video.

  1. Actually, this last half century has seen 100s of millions of humans lifted out of poverty. Primarily in 3rd world nations where they've become much more freer - as in, more legal liberty, particularly owning their bodies. We OTOH have had millions and millions and millions of licencing scams (hair cutters licence, $800,000 Taxi license, liquor licences, filing for bankruptcy licences) millions and millions of regulations (like the ones making pink slime legal food) millions and millions of NSA drones, Wars in Iraq, etc....  Well, you Progressives wanted to UN-Limit Government, it's is now filled with Sociopaths using the Government-run NSA / Commons to spy on us and is bailing out to the richest 0.01% richest humans in history. $600 BILLION is the Pentagons budget in 2015 under that wonderful Progressive O-blah-ma.  What the hell do you care if the richest Americans buy our so-called Commons? You made us their Slaves decades ago. Thanks to you Progressives we have a Progressive Labor Tax and a Progressive Central Bank and our Central Planners will send over some Progressive Police and strangle you if you and generations more of Americans don't keep paying off our bailing out the TBTF banks for the rest of this century. This is a simple fact.  You wanted Big Progressive Government - well it's never been bigger, more intrusive and more violence. The USA is a mirror image of the Socialist Worker's Party run Germany circa 1930s.
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  2. Gordon Bradley China. S. Korea. Taiwan. Vietnam. E. Germany. Russia. Much of Africa. As we've hemorrhaged civil liberties the people of these nations across the last 50 years have gained personal civil liberties and the corresponding economic prosperity. Don't worry, we're getting more Progressive taxation, more progressive regulations, more progressive licencing and we will become poorer. Oh, and to make sure everyone pays their 'fair share' for the 'good of society' we all get to lose our personal privacy and live in a Police State.   I grew up in the USA and I've lived in many countries and I'll tell you now, I've only experienced the Police presence like in the USSA in a few Communist countries I've visited. I was only in the USSA for a day and I drove past 15 State police on the highway and was almost run off the road by one within 5 minutes of leaving the airport in a rental car. Literally, I looked into my mirror and was so startled to see a State Police car, on a country road (teeny airport), nearly a foot off my back bumper I nearly swerved into a ditch.   See, you don't get to redistribute wealth without a Police State. And when you try, it's going to be the poor and middle class who are the one's having their wealthy redistributed to the richest most well connected in society. All your regulations only make it nearly impossible for the poor to start a business, while at the same time making it easy for franchises to corner the market. Thus the poor are stuck as workers in low end jobs instead of owners of their own businesses.  Your good intentions are destroying, and will eventually destroy, society. The more you turn to the Government to fix problems - the worse you make those very same problems. Example: Progressives wanted 'free' education. Now we pay more than most nations for Government Schooling and 1 in 5 Government School graduates are functionally illiterate. Literacy rates among Blacks is lower NOW (in come areas) than it was 105 years ago. A century of "FREE" education has nearly destroyed education.  The Road to HELL is paved with Good Intentions.  You'll see. This is going to be playing out for decades to come. Life in the USA is going to get worse. 
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  3. Gordon Bradley Oh, and nice strawman. No one says no Government, we say LIMITED Government. You know, that whole concept the USA was founded on. Anyway, don't worry, you're getting more Progressive Government and the Police State and Spy Agencies needed to enforce it. And life in the USA is going to get worse. You'll see. The richest oligarchs will be bailed out be the Government you worship and you and your families life will become poorer. Many more decades for this to play out. 
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  4. bohemianwriter1 Why is it, do you think, that Australians - with their public healthcare system, have a thriving private healthcare market? Why is it that most Australians are loath to have surgery in a Public Hospital and will opt for a Private surgeon any day of the week? Incidentally, the USA went from around 90,000 accidental deaths in 1990 to 480,000 accidental deaths in 2010. The death rate nearly matches the number of regulations passed. The US Healthcare system is probably one of the most heavily healthcare systems in the world, yet, it costs much more than most other countries and continues to drop in quality like a rock.  Just something to think about.
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  5. bohemianwriter1 Let me repeat myself: In Australia there's a Public Healthcare system where ANYONE can go to for FREE. And there's a Private Healthcare network where everyone WANTS to go.  Why is that? Ohhhh.... .that's right, because when you're going in for surgery, you really don't give two shits about the interpersonal disposition of your surgeon and her/his personal motivation. What you care about, the ONLY THING, you care about - is competence. Can they do the surgery. Guess what? When given the choice, people are more than happy to pay for private healthcare to ensure they get treated by a competent doctor rather than take a chance with a FREE Public Healthcare provided doctor. These are the facts.   I personally find Japanese private doctors to be both of high quality, competent, and of a reasonable price. We paid $5400 for 3.5 week stay in a PRIVATE hospital in Japan PLUS the actual procedure. The procedure alone would have cost $12,500 in the USA and in Australia it would cost $15,500. That's not counting the full 3.5 weeks in hospital bed hooked up to IV. Of course, Japan trains the most doctors per population, builds the technology use in the hospitals (fMRI etc...) and develops pretty much all of their own pharmaceuticals - all of which massively lower costs of healthcare. Anyway, the fact is Australia has FREE healthcare. All citizens are covered. Yet, when offered a choice, almost everyone who can afford to, goes to Private hospitals. See, much like our over-budget expensive Government Schools with the 1 in 5 functional illiteracy graduate rate, subpar may be good enough for Government Work, but when it comes to health, most people want a bit better. 
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  6. bohemianwriter1 If you think Americans are money hoarders, try Japan. Asians are always on the lookout for a deal. Which is why Japan is a great nation where the people don't squander money on useless endeavors.  You think the USA is full of money hoarders? Are you crazy? The USA just spent $600 BILLION losing the Wars for another year. America isn't full of money hoarders - it's full of morons. Money hoarders are actually good for society, they save and invest - the savings are used to produce and advance. No, Americans are anything but savers. Try money junkies. Functionally illiterate money junkies who couldn't string two sentences together to save their lives.  I grew up in the USA, lived their until I completed University (top 10) and got out of that cesspool. 
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  7. bohemianwriter1 The first thing I'd ask is if Noraway is multicultureal? Do you have no-go zones in your cities? You know, full-on ghettos where the police don't go to unless in riot gear? DO you have 5 generation single mother farms? Where one mother has had children by 5 different men and many children don't know their fathers? Is your nation one that makes up phony reasons to invade other nations? You know, pretend to be attacked and then invade Vietnam. Wait a generation and rinse and repeat with the middle east? Is is possible in your nation to ride a bicycle without a helmet? Are teens allowed to snowball fight without being shot by a cop? If a man was selling a $0.20 cent cigarette would he be strangled to death by the police?  Do Government School GRADUATES pass without being able to read and write? In the USA, Government School graduates have a functional illiteracy rate of 1 in 5. Oh, and the general population reads (and thinks) at the 8th grade level. Oh, and 1 in 6 are totally illiterate and cannot read or write. I'll tell you what. Why don't we agree that what works in oil-rich (nearly monocultureal) Norway probably isn't going to work in pop-culture USA. You want to know what the American dream is? Getting on disability and playing video games while watching pop culture on your smart phone.  Yes, I agree that healthcare doesn't work in the USA. NOT because it's not Public Healthcare, but because it's Fascistic Healthcare where a small cartel control the numbers of healthcare providers, hospitals, etc... and use their State-given monopoly to rent-seek and regulatory capture the hyper-regulated healthcare markets.  How about this? We open up the flood gates and let all these functional illiterate thieves move to Norway? Then you you can see how well Norway' system works at providing healthcare and other benefits to lying, cheating, scamming Americans who will say and do anything to take as much as possible from the "Commons" without giving anything in return. Yeah, I'm all for it. Is tomorrow good for you? Because, we can send over 10s of millions of functional illiterate Americans. I promise, your 'free' healthcare will collapse within a month.  What works in Norway works in Norway because most Norwegians are hardworking honest people who probably care for one another. Don't make the mistake of thinking other's think like this. Your culture didn't just POOF into existence. The same is true of monocultureal Japan - it's pretty good. But, as I've lived in both (as well as others) I can tell you right now, it will NOT WORK IN THE USA. What works in the USA is freedom and free markets. This is the ONLY way to keep Americans honest. The day you let the Government provide a service, is the day you embark on becoming a neo-Fascist warmongering State that we actually ARE today. Again, the USA government is spending $600 BILLION losing the Wars for another year. THIS is what Americans want - kill people, take their resources, and consume pop-culture. 
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  8. bohemianwriter1 One more time, the USA does NOT have Free-Market healthcare. Our healthcare is MORE regulated than YOUR healthcare? Are you getting it yet? We have MORE regulations than Noway does. I know, I train medical doctors and I myself am a research doctor.  You just don't get it, you think if America just does what oil-rich Norway does then we will become like you. You remind me of the same Americans who just wanted to turn Iraq into a "Democracy" and then everything would be perfect there. But guess what? It's not.  What used to work for America was freedom to trade with one another. We lost that, and with it we are losing our prosperity. The next step for us is to have a Dictator. I am personally hoping for State's to vote to leave the Union first, but, I doubt that will happen. Are we getting a Dictator tomorrow? No. Maybe decades off into the future. Who knows. But this is what Americans want. Probably a "War Hero". Then will come the exterminations of undesirables (people like me who question the system) and after many more decades finally collapse and History will have come full circle. 
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  9. bohemianwriter1  I actually think we agree on many things. Although I'd choose Finland over Norway in terms of Government structured education. That said, currently Norway is no where near a multicultural country - at least not relative to the USA, Australia or England. According to a 2012 survey 86.2% of the total population have at least one parent who is born in Norway and of the immigrants most come from Europe or other western nations.  I've been in no-go zones in England as well as Australia and both of these countries are structured quite similar to Norway with Government provided healthcare and education (of course, the education is crap compared with Norway, but that's down to Norwegians themselves and how they value education). Talk to me when 50% of Norway is immigrants. Or when Norway has no-go zones where you're likely to be shot at night for walking around in areas you do not belong. Just wait until you have multi-generational welfare ghettos. Then you'll see the system you enjoy no longer functions cost-effectively. Then you will need to either raise taxes higher, until a point where you cannot afford to raise them any higher, or you'll have to cut services. It's that simple. There's no 'magic' way of doing things - IMO. Things are done by people, you just happen to have a lot of good honest hard-working ones. Society must have built in bullshit detectors that shut down the bad apples (this happens in Japan quite effectively via shaming and shunning).   Not to mention, Norway's oil-fund is an added bonus. When that's defunct, then you'll have a harder time paying for the social services you enjoy. Include healthcare and education. UAE and KSA also offer a lot of social services - I remember when Kuwait used to give everyone that was a citizen a ton of money. I knew people who were paid $35,000 a year just for being born in UAE. So? Why don't you do that they'd say? I mean, it seemed to work for them. Maybe the USA would work better with a Sultan? Of course, they were all as lazy as could be - and just had the good fortune of living on top of an oil supply. Dumb luck. But, if you asked them, it was insert some irrational post-hoc justification. Norway works because of geographical location and resources, but most importantly because it has a lot of Norwegians.  When that changes, then it will not longer function. I've seen it many many times, over and over, again and again. When its done, its done. I'm very happy Japan has politely resisted too much immigration - although there certainly is immigration. Just a small amount. And people are expected to integrate, NOT retain their own culture. If they want they're own culture, they can just as easily leave. Note: Everyone wants a society that has good inexpensive healthcare, good education and is safe. Everyone wants to live where they have lots of opportunity.  This comes by maximizing personal civil liberty. Not by more regulation, but by more freedom.  
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  10. bohemianwriter1 I certainly do not disagree that religious fundamentalists are a nuisance. But that's it. They cannot use the State against other's who are atheist. This is not true when it comes to another religious Theocracy: Progressive Socialists. See, the Progressive CAN use the State to murder me if I attempt to live a life, as an adult, in a manner that does not harm others, but runs counter to their superstitious ideas about what's 'good for society'. As an example, suppose I wanted to open a eatery where people can smoke? Well well. The Progressive says this is bad for society and thus is illegal. See? They're the new Morality Police. The other side of the Theocracy coin, but still the same coin. If I attempted to open a smoking eatery I'd be put in jail - maybe even killed if I resisted being put in a State-run cage. So, I like everyone else just shuts up and never opens a smoking eatery. Of course, I don't smoke, but that's my example. Big State, Little God Big God, Little State - People need their superstition, one way or the other. Life in the USA is going to probably get worse on many levels. I think technology will advance, and those will high-level skills will do well, but most will be poorer. They'll work longer and for a lot less. It's pretty sad. Particularly when everything we needed was laid out and working well by the middle-late 1800s. But, much like everything else, people just can't leave well enough enough and will violate any and every moral rule for the "Good of Society". The Road straight into Hell is clearly paved with good intentions
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  11. bohemianwriter1 I work in the healthcare industry, at least at the level of regulating who becomes a doctor. I can promise you, healthcare is anything BUT a free-market. Stop and think of the millions and millions of applicants who wish to attend schooling. Stop and think about that. We live in a society where the State determines WHAT you can learn and WHAT you can do with what it allows you to learn.
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  12. bohemianwriter1 I'm not "demonizing" immigrants. I'm saying that when you live in a monoculture, you can enjoy some level of the Commons due to the monoculture. When you don't - you can't.  This means, when you live in a multicultureal society, it's structure must be different. History shows quite clearly that multicultureal societies are best run when people who live in them are free to trade with one another with limited, very limited, government interference. This forces the people in these societies to deal with the inherent problems that arise when living in such a society.  Example: In Japan it's common to have beer vending machines - all around town. You can walk over to a vending machine and buy a beer pretty much any time you'd like. You're free to do that. You can also drink it right there on the street. No one does, because in a monocultural there's pressure not to. And young people rarely buy beer. Why? Because in a monoculture this is shameful. Oh, and they're never pilfered. Why? Because Japanese just don't do that sort of thing. Now, just how long do you think vending machines with beer would last in the USA before kids where buying beer and criminals where breaking into them and stealing? A day maybe - at best. So in the USA the government simply outlaws these machines. This means society never has to deal with the underlying issues. Are you seeing my point yet? I'm saying that in multicultreal societies we need LESS government and we need to deal with these issues. That can ONLY happen through free markets - which is to say, free people. Sure, maybe the vending machines disappear from the market. Or maybe they don't. But it's up to free people to decide. NOT a Police State. I hope I made myself clearer. I've been an immigrant in 5 countries, I have no problem with immigration. I also have no problem with the lack of it either. 
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  13. bohemianwriter1 Oh, I should mention, my family is not white. You seem to have come to the conclusion my family is European in origin, half of it is Japanese. The other half is mixed Irish, German, Jewish, Christian, etc.... some people in my immediate family do not speak English. Or, very limited at best. I don't disagree that poverty is linked to violence. And free-markets create prosperity thus, we should maximize freedom if we want to live in a less violent world. The USA is NOT a free-market. Did you know in some states you need a liscence to fix a PC, or to cut hair, or even to go out of business? The USA is a Fascist State with Progressive written all over it. We're war mongers too. We have a central banking cartel that just bailed out those richest 1%.  IF we lived in a true free-market, many of those richest 1% would be totally wiped out. Broke. But this isn't what happened. The State everyone loves bailed them out. That's Fascism, not free-markets.  The oil was luck, not a virtue. Yes, your oil fund can be spent wisely. But it doesn't have to be spent wisely. If could just as easily be squandered. Now, here I note you used the word "We" - as in we Norwegians. That's interesting, give the other half of your post. Suppose most of the immigrants would like to spend all of that oil money here and now. I know many Americans would. We blow through $100 billion a year just in our Government run education system - only to produce a 1 in 5 functionally illiterate graduating class each year. Oh, and we blow through $600 billion a year losing the War and have done so for over a decade.  Must be nice to live in a society where everyone is on the same page regarding how to save and invest - I bet you like that, huh?
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  14. silat13 Firstly I didn't say all violence would disappear. Secondly, let's get some facts straight: Fact: States started WWI and WWII and then invaded Korea, then invaded Vietnam and then invaded Afghanistan and then invaded Iraq twice where it uses low grade radioactive shells to kill people.  Fact: The State just bailed out the richest banking oligarchs in history to the tune of trillions.  Fact: The US government consumes more limited energy than any institution in history and is the largest polluter in history. Fact: The US government imprisons more non-violence humans than any State in history. Fact: Communist States killed 10s of millions of humans in the last 100 years. Fact: The US government regulates almost every aspect of our lives. We cannot work without paying the State a tax (which it sells to China). We must ask for permission to perform all sorts of jobs. And etc.... You're the one living in a child-like delusion. Any reasonable person can see State's are inherently immoral institutions with a horrid record of violence against other humans. Lucky for you, we're getting more Progressive State. Not less regulations - more. Not more freedoms. Less. And we get to lose out privacy to the NSA while we're at it. How nice. For you anyway. 
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  15. silat13 I'll tell you what, measure the amount of money the State spends on the military killing people - each year and weight that against your rant regarding the Koch brothers. Weight how much money the State spends building new NSA centers against your rant against the Koch brothers.  Do you think the Koch brothers are the reason why the Central Bank just bailed out the richest 0.1%? Oh, no. That was the State. Do you think the Koch brothers lied us into invading Vietnam and now Iraq? Oh, that was the State. Are the Koch brothers angels on earth? No. Are they good or bad people? Who knows? Personally couldn't care one way or the other. I do not live in their State and they are not the reason why my State is going broke. They have absolutely nothing to do with how the automotive industry self-detonated in the USA. What they do, do, is run one of the most successful businesses in the USA, they hire tens of thousands of Americans who are very happy to have good paying jobs. I'm positive most Americans would love to work in one of their companies. Unlike the State, they must provide value by selling items to Americans that Americans actually WANT. See the difference? Probably not. They reason you do not see the difference is because of Government schooling. So, I no more blame you than I would blame a 13 year old.
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  16. silat13 Is it your contention, the Koch brothers are to blame for the 1 in 5 functional illiteracy rate of Government Graduates? Is that your argument? How about the 2/3 students who quit in Detroit schools? Are the Koch brothers also the reason why most Americans read and write at the level of a 7th grader?  Here, let me give you an example of a typical Americans's 7th grade level of reasoning: The K0CHservatives own the supreme court. The K0CHservatives own the HOUSE. The K0CHservatives own the Senate. Do you understand this is not making an argument? Do you know how a basic argument is even structured? Do the words Modus Ponens mean anything to you? Deduction? Induction? Valid? Sound? Cogent? If none of these words mean anything to you, make sure you do not blame your Government Schooling for you total lack of ability to perform even the basic of reasoning. No, blame the Koch brothers. Then feel smug. 
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  17. bohemianwriter1 Again, I don't think you understand my position. Also, you're confounding culture with race. A "white" person can 'be' Japanese culturally. And an Asian can be Americans likewise. Or Norwegian. Mono-cultures could, therefor, be composed of people of different phenotypes (asian, white, black, etc...).  My personal opinion is people should be allowed to migrate anywhere on Earth with no boarders. However, if this is to be true, then we should also practice pananarchy (different forms of government and let people choose). Also, most land would need to be privatized.   That said, monocultures have inbuilt bullshit detectors and private means of enforcing cultural norms that make or break those societies. In societies without these, multicultural societies, these are missing and therefor we NEED free-markets to perform these functions in society. Therefore, less Government, more freedom.
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  18. silat13 I'm genuinely interested: How old are you? You honestly sound like a child, perhaps very early teens at most. - Denial bubba. - The K0CHs and their propaganda - Bircher bigot libertarian empire - That is just a fact bubba.   I'm sorry, but this is just babble. 
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  19. bohemianwriter1 I would say I agree with your last post 100% (at least in sentiment). This is the entire reason why we must have a LIMITED government in our country. See?  In a free-market, most of these same people, would be broke and they would BE the poor. Particularly after the GFC in 2008. But, thanks to Government, they're now richer than ever. American families have lost over $1 trillion in assets since $2008.  I know this is going to be hard to understand, but belief in Government is no different than belief in the Gods. Only instead of a Pope, we have a President. Instead of Cathedrals we have State buildings and monuments to the State. Instead of Bishops we have Senators. It's the SAME people. They just took off their robes and but on a GOP or DEM sticker and tie. But it's still the exact same people.  I know I shouldn't have to say this, but it seems I do. We need MORE freedoms. More liberty. Not less. More.  Freedom is the answer. Not more Government. Less Government, more freedom.
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  20. silat13 How does a 50+ year old end up talking in the sorts of babble you're using? I mean "Bubba"? Really?  I suggest you buy Hurley P. text titled "Logic" and don't waste the last of your life with these nonsensical thoughts. I'd literally pull my hair out stuck inside your head.  Let me guess, the Koch brothers are to blame for the fall of Roma, the collapse of the USSR and any other event you want to causally link to them. And, at the same time, somehow this 'All Powerful' Koch Cartel couldn't unseat Obama in the last election?...right. Did they also cause the Great Depression? Are they the reason why GM went bankrupt?  Look, "sonnyboy", you're wasting whatever is left of your brain and life with this Left/Right dichotomy. Take that as the best advise you've been given - ever.  Our societies functions better when we maximize freedoms, not minimize them. We want and need to return to LIMITED government with the right to liberty returned to the individual. It's not that hard of a concept, I promise. More freedom. Less Government. Anyway, none of this matters. We will have less freedom, more war, more spying, more debt, more regulations, less prosperity, more taxes, less opportunity. And that's the way forward for the USA.  You'll see.
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  21. bohemianwriter1 Corporations do not 'own' Government. This simply is not factually true. No one 'owns' the Government. To be clear, what you meant to say was the people hired for the Government, often make policy decisions in the favour of Corporations and/or Businesses and/or other Private groups of individuals. YES! This is why we need to LIMIT government's ability to interfere in our lives - particularly around the ability to trade.  But, this is the thing, you support Government doing this. For example, one hundred and twenty years ago most people were educated at home and by private schools and private tutors. Interestingly enough, Black Americans living in Chicago in 1910 had a hire literacy rate THEN compared with NOW. But, people want "Free" - right? And, whenever people want something but don't want to pay for it, they simply ask the Government to provide it and call it "Progressive". This may be Schooling, it may be War, it may be Water - pretty much anything. Well, guess what? When the Government stepped into the education-market, it put a lot of private businesses OUT of business. This means, as a School, you either became a Public School or you could try desperately to remain Private and compete against 'Free' education (and some did, but most went bankrupt or they lobbied Government to ensure they were funded too). Worse still, we haven't seen hardly any innovation in education - if anything it's getting worse with 1 in 5 Government Schools graduates functionally illiterate. So? IS this an example of 'Corporations' (in this case schools) buying off Government? Or, now that Government Schooling seems 'normal' is it just a 'public service'? The same is true of the American Medical Association. This is a private fraternity of medical doctors who now, through the Government, have the legal right to bar entry into their market. The AMA uses the Government to ensure they regulatory-capture the once-upon-a-time-free markets (this is called rent-seeking by way). However, I'm sure you support having the AMA decide for you, who can be a State licensed doctor. Well, given this actually IS part of what I do - I can safely tell you, it's not ideal. It's both unfair to many more than capable students and it's also immoral as it leave the decision up to a handful of people who, most of time, don't HAVE the time to properly ensure the best are 'chosen'. As a matter of fact - this is an impossible task. It's unknowable who will make a good doctor. The only sound method is a free-market. But, again, you prefer we decide. You do know Universities are run like Corporations - right? So, here we have yet another example where you probably support "Corporations". And I could list many many many MANY examples of where this occurs. And, I will tell you right now, the ONLY (and I mean ONLY) way to eliminate corporations, be they a net gain or net loss to society, from using Government is by LIMITING government. Limiting government is the ONLY way. Oh, and as for medicine, you have a 1 in 12 chance of being misdiagnosed, 1 in 23 chance of seeing someone incompetent and a 1 in 76 chance of seeing someone who chose medicine because they, seem to, enjoy when people die - possibly even outright misdiagnosing and purposefully killing people. Preventable Death caused by medicine (unintentional) was 90,000 in 1990, in 2010 it jumped to 480,000 EACH YEAR. Add an additional 3 - 5 MILLION seriously harmed for life. EACH YEAR. Yet, I bet you like having 'free' healthcare? I bet you like the idea of affordable safe medicine. Well, sorry, but the ONLY way to provide that is a free-market. Likewise with education. Likewise with internet, electronics, automation, pharmaceuticals, relationships, everything. The answer is MORE freedom - NOT LESS.
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  22. bohemianwriter1   When you say "real democracy" this is the "No true Scotsman" informal fallacy. We do have a real democracy - this is what real democracy looks like. It's ugly. Which is why we need to LIMIT the government. Anyway, with sound money, people can vote using their wallets as to what they want more of (iPhone) and what they want less of (Zune). Again, maximize individual liberty and limit government.
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  23. bohemianwriter1 Corporations can only make money by selling goods and services to us. If we cannot afford to buy their products, then they go bankrupt. It's pretty simple. You seem to think corporations set atop mount high racking in the money. This simply isn't the case. Most corporations struggle to make a profit and work hard at satisfying their customers. The Government on the other hand has no need to do above average. Which is why they're the saying "Good enough for Government Work".  Think of Governmental agencies like small corporations. Only they don't have to provide us with above average service. Which is why the FDA 'regulated' as legal food - boiled in ammonia, snout, foot, tail, ear and other off cuts as safe for human consumption (aka Pink Slime). If the FDA were a private company, they'd have gone bust years ago. Worse still, companies like Monsanto can use the FDA to twist words like "All Natural" to mean GMO foods. The exact opposite of common usage. The solution to our problems is un-limited government. It just bailed out all these crony-banks, started trillion dollar wars, and is now spying on all of us. It needs to be put back in its box.
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  24. bohemianwriter1 You're simply not correct. Corporations do not 'own' anyone. That's called slavery and does not exist. Yes, corporations do write laws and regulations for the EPA and FDA. Which is why we need LESS government so that we can conduct business using simple laws that protect property rights equally.  If there was an oil spill, then it happened while being regulated by the government. Almost every aspect of our lives is regulated. Thus, again, if there was an oil spill, then this oil spill happened while being regulated. Which just shows you, that regulations cannot prevent oil spills. But what regulations do is protect companies, like the Koch brothers, from being sued by people who have oil on their property. See how it works? All the corporations have to do is say "This is all regulated and all legal". While you do not have these problems yet, as your culture is changed (and it will change) due to different ideas from different people on how to do things, then you will suffer from the exact same problems. At that point, your social institutions will be inefficient and you'll end up exactly in the same boat as us. Maybe then, maybe, you'll get it.
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  25. silat13 First of all, you're using the word "logic" incorrectly. I hate to be pedantic, but I actually enjoy studying and developing logical sentences - you may want to look up Categorical Syllogism to start you out on what logic actually is.   And secondly, no, property rights are one of the main laws that must be respected. I'd even argue, given the manner in which children play, private property is inherent, even genetic. Our body is our private property - and this should be protect by law. Thus, murder is property damage and punishable as society sees fit. Oh course, not, our bodies are property of the State - public property. Part of the Commons.  Note: Currently we lost ownership of our bodies. Our government owns out bodies. It can tax a portion of our labor (income tax) and it can determine who we can marry and it can determine what we eat, what drugs we use, who we have sex with, pretty much everything - even our death is in the the hands of the State you love so much. 
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  26. bohemianwriter1 My employer does not 'own' me. I own my body and I sell my body's labor.  We freely attempt to sell our labor IF we are laborers and then it's up to someone to freely decide if they do or do not want to buy that labor. If you have a highly marketable skill, and you're honest, and you work productively, then you'll have no difficulty selling your labor hours into the market making an easy 6 figures a year. My cousin recently graduated from University with a computer programming degree (only girl to graduate with actual computer programming skills that year - most do webdesign etc...) and yes, it took her about 8 months to find a job. Yes, she was depressed. But guess what, 1 year later and she's offered jobs at a rate of one a month. She's known a hard worker, speaks fluent Japanese, and is very productive and efficient at her job. She also scored the highest score on the companies logic test in it's history (based in London).  See, she's not a slave. AND in free-markets people like her are free to quit and go start up their own competing company. This means that the labor pool shrinks and the price of labor goes up due to limited supply. But, in our Progressive hyper-Regulated Social paradise, millions and millions and millions of regualtions, unsound fiat currency, high minimum labor price and a zillion other laws prevent people from even bothering to try to open up a business. And why would you bother? All you'd get is accused that you 'OWN' people - this is how you opened your post. Thus, labor supply is over-supplied and the price of labor is low (particuarly if you don't have a high skill set) and this is actually what we do see in our society. If you think it's so easy being an owner - go start a business. I've had to manage people who were so lazy I paid them for 8 months NOT to come into work just to finish off their contract. At my level, I pay people for the job they do, some like to come in at 6am and leave at 1 pm, others like to come in at 11am and leave at 6 pm. I really don't care.  Let's not pretend I 'own' them. They own me, I depend on them. I work much harder and much longer than they do. I also worry about their futures because I know times are tight and soon they won't be working for me. I work hard FOR them so that they are able to do well for themselves.  People spend 12-30 years just preparing the skills to sell their labor. AND you pretend the corporations 'owns' them?! Come off it. Anyone can quite and go try their luck at starting a company. See how quickly you finf life on the 'Owners' side of the fence a lot more work, effort and risk, with a lot less reward. There's no 'free' time either. You work to keep the business going 7 days a week, 12-14 hours a day. No vacation time off. At least, not mentally. When you walk past a Starbucks and choose not buy a coffee - YOU may be putting a barista our of business because you chose not to buy from them that day. Does this mean you OWN them? No, it doesn't. It means you do not want to buy what they are selling. And guess what? They don't have to sell to you. If you BOTH agree, then this is the free-markets. Win-Win. Value for Value. The exact same principle holds true for labor and corporations. 
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  27. bohemianwriter1 Provide evidence that non-regulations is why BP bosses went free. It's not because of non-regulations. (A) There's millions of regulations around energy, oil and the environment. The USA has some of the most strict in the world. (B) If there were NO regulations then the laws that protect Private Property could have been used in court by the land owners to privately sue BP. The reason why the owners walked away freely was due TO regulation. Regulations are their to PROTECT the business owners from litigation. NOT to protect property owners. Property owners ALWAYS had the right to sue for damaged. Now, thanks to the State and Unlimited Government, regulation usurp property rights and owns who's land is damaged can not seek compensation. Of course, no one wants to see companies stuck with millions of frivolous litigations. And, no one wants to see corporations pollute. When we had a free-market one could argue their were too many frivolous litigations. What could have solved this problem is contract laws. But, we never developed that part of society because people ALWAYS when given the option, chose the lazy route, which is the State's use of violence. This is WHY we always start with limited government, then it grows like a cancer, twists society into an ugly reflection of itself, and the body politic collapses. Rinse/Repeat. 
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  28. silat13 Still with the strawman? Don't you get tired of your fallacious reasoning? Doesn't unreasonable babble-thinking give you a headache? Anyway, limited government is what works and limited government enforced common law, property rights and contract law. As for corporations 'buying' their way out of the law. This simply doesn't happen when a random jury is used. If Steve Jobs were to stab someone, and it went to jury, he'd most likely be sent to prison (if her were alive) - regardless of if he was CEO of the world's largest corporation.  Further, quite frankly I think you'd have to be paranoid to think you need to give up your personal privacy (NSA spying) and civil liberties (Drug War) and pay the State a tax on labor (Income Tax) all because you're scared big scary Apply Inc, Microsoft, Toyota, Sony, etc... and going to somehow harm you. Frankly, I'd suggest growing a pair of balls and manning up. I mean Jesus f*cking Christ. Your mama still spoon feeding you too? I think, as adults, I can negotiate the big scary Honda without having to live in a Police State. Which is why, one day, hopefully, States within the USA will succeed from the Union. That way, you can go live with the Progressive Socialists and Warmongers who will keep you safe from yourself with millions and millions of regulations and those of use who are competent adults will use limited Law and Limited Government together with sound money to create prosperity. In the meantime, enjoy the Police State, it's never going away in your life time, so, you don't need to worry about it.
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  29. silat13 I just wrote you a basic, very very very basic, conditional clause argument. I've addressed your questions and you return with 'LOL'.  'LOL' is the level of your reasoning - which is to say you do not reason. You do not understand how to reason. You do not know the differences between types of reason, say deduction vs induction. You definitely don't know what a sound valid argument is. Nor do you understand what cogent arguments are. I don't blame you for your stupidity. You were probably Government schooled and thus you're a functional illiterate. So, take pride in the fact you can "LOL" and feel like you've made a sound, valid argument. In reality, you're just babbling. I'd personally find such babble-thoughts irritating and seek to change this. But, hey, each to their own. Note: I'm paid a decent 6 figure salary to write cogent arguments. Most of which you probably would be lost within two sentences. So, let's agree you lack the skill set sufficient to understand an argument let alone create one. Please continue with your babble-thoughts, go pray to Obama or whatever you do, and we'll call it a day.
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