Comments by "harvey young" (@harveyyoung3423) on "White British Will be a MINORITY in UK by 2050s. Joey Barton Chats with Rafe Heydel-Mankoo" video.

  1. Thought it started at 7:00 so will listen later
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  2. Introduction notes: Immigration can be accounted in terms of gains and losses. More specifically on who gains and who loses. A) Some losses and gains are directly evidential: i)numbers coming in to the UK, but this evidence is in contexts such as by difference to past immigration numbers, and ii) difference to existing population numbers. iii)Then there is the number of immigrants in term of age in comparison to existing population age, and iv)The sex or gender of immigrants in relations to the existing population. B) With the above we can also evidence: i) that wages will fall, but also job vacancies will be easily filled ii) wages falling will not necessarily mean a consequent consumer base collapse or a demand for goods collapse as the increase in migration means an increase in consumer base eg demand. (note: Now Lenin described the European Colonial Empire projects as solving not a supply problem of sources for production, but as really solving collapse in consumer demand by expanding the consumer base over seas to off set the Marx prediction of falling labour wages means falling demand and so is self annihilating Capitalist contradiction. So we could view mass immigration as a similar Capitalist mechanism to solve a demand problem due to falling labour wages. Except instead of sending good over seas for those population to buy, we bring those populations hear. In this liberal free market Capitalism is the method in terms of the principle of free movement of people. But this "neo-colonialism" then is disguised as based in Universal Human Rights of freedom, but amount to a massive process and mechanism of the "extraction" of mostly young men from post colonial and other countries to Europe and the UK. This we are assured is not the theft of human resources from less well off countries to more affluent countries, but is ironically described as a post Colonial Debt by Europe to other countries for Colonial times. So for those who Critique Colonialism, this mass immigration, of already trained and second natured men from their home country to Europe and the UK is seen as an historical obligation a debt repayment a compensation. But this is odd acrobatics: the immigrants were not victims of any European Colonialism themselves, rather they benefited from their original countries cost of raising them and educating them into second nature, and then leave to to take their benefit a rich European Country. it an odd way of thinking about obligations to former Colonial Countries in term of using international law and free movement Capital individual differential incentives, to take their already raised young people away. Its like the continuation of Colonialism by other means, the first world and well off countries use International law and free movement to exploit the wealth and opportunity differences between them and the third world and less well off countries.) C) Other losses and gains are evidential and logical in that the wages of the host labour force will fall while the increased demand keeps prices high. A loss to those original wage earners, while the mechanism keeps the whole resistant to Marx’s prediction. The big story here though is housing, in that mass migration has directly led to massive expansion in low end hosing demand and kept or increased the prices of those houses, and kept the value of owned but mortgaged houses high. I don’t think immigration effects the price of very high value house but it would prevent a slow creep up as in low end entry into a large aggregate industry. It has though now effected young people as first time low priced buyers, the wage fall has effected them negatively of course even if the demand has kept prices up and prevented Marx’s Catastrophic Collapse of Capitalism. Then there is the supposed necessary increase in supply of immigrant labour in health care, while also an increase in immigrant demand for health care. There is a bigger story too to be told, that we have an aging population, with less young people to work and pay for it due to falling birth rates over many years. The migrant ship then are to supply this labour form other countries. Then next there are less easily evidential effects of mass immigration and who gains and who looses: I guess people talk of cultural change and cultural damage of various kinds. but also there will be specific change to the law to accommodate new and unusual crimes, but there laws will refer to all the population and expand there target population reference. Law brought in to deal with extreme but marginal criminality will be used to control mass population out side the original aim and purpose of the law. That is the logic of the law the spread of the logical space of Rights and protections. what is done to migrants law will do to everybody. We have to realise that some who want severe and quick policies to deal with immigrants and immigration, will move on to others via the policy vocabulary. eg Stop migrants getting Welfare because they haven't contributed will becomes general principal applied to all young people. This is just an example of a general process. There are those on the Right who would treat the poor who live here and were born here in a similar way. Clearly there are winners and losers here, even if the moral argument of Colonial debt collapses on first look.
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  3. Part 2: from around 18:00 mins Rafe is doing a great job of seeing and interpreting historically the less easily evidential that can be presented just in data now. I would just add that going by a recent interview with Peter Hitchings he has written a number of books some years ago on the meaning and real covert aims of the Blair projects. I haven't read them yet. Some is in the Adam Curtis documentaries from a few years ago. Mass Immigration with anti colonialism will not just upend our historical understanding, and make us feel like guilty rather than benevolent hosts, it also has the effect of making interpersonal communication difficult as we are talking here about different second natures as well as different historical understandings and interpretations. the Social justice response to shift over to more formal modes of discourse grounded in rights and various sciences of linguistics such as communication pragmatics from the English philosophers J. L. Austin and Paul Grice in the US. The paradigm but implicit image here of discourse is an office type setting for everybody everywhere. I have spoken at length to cognitive behavioural psychologist who work in this area and it began with research into office communication for greater efficiency. For the left there are really no Categorial distinctions here, what is appropriate for an international office is appropriate for the pub and the bedroom. Its draws on Derrida's collapse of the speech and writing distinction, and the collapse of the distinctions between different type of writings. its is marketed as power going down to ordinary people, but in practice means ordinary people in their ordinary lives "ought to" communicate in the style of an Academic paper. Coming to a school and social media near you soon. what looked at first view like a massive shift in legitimacy downwards to ordinary people turn out to have been a system of legislative and educational and media control. Having mass immigration of many different languages can be used as an excuse for this on going project to control our voices while appearing to empower our speech.
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  4. Part 3: On Rafe on the 1980's: my example experience and research was on the hippy convoy that was a kind of centre for a movement of people every year to Stonehenge and Glastonbury. I was there when thousands of police were there to prevent the festival from being legal classed as a heritage historical event if it had gone on. I think it would have been the 13 consecutive year. I went to Glastonbury festival in the 1990s and was not impressed, as the original hippie and punks who had become fellow travellers against Thatcher, were segregated into small field behind the alternative energy technology circus, and far away from the action. Gentrified is what come to mind. To my mind Coldplay were the new Hawkwind and I hated them i was "still feeling mean". I saw them though by chance of free ticket to the V festival and i though they sounded good but my mates hated them more than me so we left early. They had form for this having walked out of a Elvis Costello gig after a few songs, and a Sting concert, no could get ticket for, they left and were back at our club after a couple of songs. No of us walked out the private, i think first gig, of Brian Wilson "Smile" it was great.
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  5. note: there is a YouTube documentary posted 5 days ago on The Beatles "Magically Mystery Tour" on "Beatles bible" channel. It goes into some detail Paul McCartney's vison for it back in 1967-8. i think we are just about ready for that now. They wrote music for the future for our time as well as for their own time.
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  6. Part 4: Rafe (up to 27:00 mins) I totally agree with here mass immigration has been beneficial to the top shelf of left and the right, both. it suggests a real division of class that the politics only alternates between which are the main and which are the lesser in leadership and benefit from among the mostly metropolitan middle class. its a politically difficult position to stand in and even more to construct policy from, in a way that's a kid of class synthetical a priori statement: More than mere coincident or associative between power and class, but less than a necessary logical conceptual relation. Note I'm not a Marxist! (Reading Wilfred Sellars on this in his Kant book (From his John Locke Lectures (1963?)) makes reading Kant seem easy.
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  7. note Joey Barton's the football analogy doesnt work for me: On the one hand the notion of rules and activity is extremely narrow and so abstract. indeed the rules of football presuppose a life world, while narrowing its possibilities and aims. The movement of populations is not at all analogous to footballer transfers. and I'm no neo-Hegelian who thinks the solution to what is left out of the abstracted analogy is to try and turn or sublate the whole of society into a quasi football match rational schema. I lost interest in football back in 1974. Do you know of the football war in South and Central America in 1969 i think.
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  8. Maybe locals and migrants meet at the edges in an ordinary way. For example my mates recently from Senegal they knew i was well into the Rolling Stones but used to play Pete Tosh to me all the time. It was well over two years before i found out from great YouTube Stones channel flipsideCT that some of it was Stones stuff they had done with him in the 1970's. very understated of them. Also i hung out with a guy from Brazil who saw them at Copacabana Beach. I also met a guy who saw them at Leeds when i saw them at Wembley in 1981 i think, but we ended up in a big pub fight with him and all his mates, that ended up in the street, with even more of his mates. Indeed so may of them there were against a few of us that they just gave up and said we needed to bring more of our mates down there for next week, cos then we can a have real laugh. He found my mates glasses in the street and came running after us to give 'em to him. A Rolling Stones T-Shirt is no absolute guide to a Social Cohesion event, but maybe it means there are recognised limits to what constitutes even a fair fight.
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  9. Part 7: At 46:00 mins there's the take away: Neo-Cast system: who can get who to do the fighting for them. Like who can get who to do the vaccine? The process of differential hide the real difference in a load of beurocracy. juts like if you live in a posh area of North London your local schools will be as good as private schools. its just doesn look so obvious. I think the labour tax rises promised on private schools will allow for an off setting against inflation and more "lower" inclusion and so again price out the lower or middle middle classes by cost. Kind of like when the Studio 54 thing hit our clubs in 78ish, there was more and more people going until they introduced dress restrictions. My view is the mass migration was really triggered by Angela Merkel and the CDU/SPD grand second coalition, with the 2015 response to refugee crisis. I was there in 2017 when it began to run out of control far beyond the aims of the initial rules but not beyond political imagination and intention, when seen with the then widespread accessibility and use of mobile phones all over the world. Coalition governments kept her in power for years. So maybe they anticipated the need for access to a new population of future soldiers in 2015, like after events in 2014. But i was very ill from mid 2013 up to 2017 and beyond but not so incapacitated. That legality and economically facilitated cohort of new arrivals to Europe then into the military would be a very cynical use of post Colonial European rules of Justice. The left always have had their traditions of sacrifice, and who sacrifices who, for who.
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  10. Part 8: At 47:00 mins Yea those time travel scientists sent me from 2060 to here. They said I would easily find perfect emeralds to replace the ones vaporised in the trip back. Their understanding of this historical era is poor, and perfect emeralds for my machine are not as easy to find as they claimed. It’s taken a while but I followed their rules of staying indoors and only going on the internet so as not to alter the space time continuum. If all as gone well these last few years I can take me and my Silver Machine back to my future, cos it’s better than here the Beatles and the Stones are at number one for a start.
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  11. Yes as my time travel example illustrates, there is no fixed transcendent democratic form architecture or rules, that remain the same while only empirical content changes. If i have changed events here then my future i came from will be less then non existent, like in-existent and now unreachable as a possible path from here. (Kant meets Turing meets Feynman).
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  12. Part 9: at 56:00 mins Classic: "We are the movement"! Who would have thought it. Most of the original 1960's left contingent have passed away or retired. There subsequent generations of lefties have now taken over the institutions. My generation are trying to figure out how they can still dress up like they are anti establishment, while we are trying to figure out what it might possibly mean to be a Reactionary Conservative.
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  13. This has been great Joey Barton Chats and Rafe Heydel-Mankoo. I'm so glad i left this to pretty much my last YouTube before the Election. Thanks guys.
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