Comments by "Rutvik" (@rutvikrs) on "Remission for Bilkis Bano gang rape-murder convicts u0026 conflicting tests of law, politics u0026 morality" video.

I must preface, this is Hearsay from my Gujju friends: 1. This is a peace deal between VHP and BJP. They have been bickering over street power since the late 2000s with bad blood ensuing to the degree several functionaries of VHP were arrested. 2. This is in response to rising crime rates and (alleged) Muslim street power. This is a message to them, that the Hindu community is being held back. 3. While we can wax lyrical about police reforms, law and order and enforcement capabilities in metros or even Ahmedabad, the local people actually derive a sense of safety from goons. Known evil is better than unknown good. My opinion: it's disheartening to know how police reforms are avoided even in the better states, the social messaging from this development is very concerning. Since this crime has an angle of Juvenile justice(perpetrators were below 18 when they committed this crime), the law has to be relooked at when there is a socio political and institutional angle to it. Should these monsters be let go, regardless of their conduct when they have links to organisations that may place them back on the same path? Were they made to sign affidavits they will not take part in such organisations? So much to think about.
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@kaustubhshukla6462 1. The legal case is sound. Check out Apurva Mandhani's video or better, the article on print that SG referred to. She has covered it in detail on why the SC asked the government to take the call. 2. I reiterate that I don't support the morality of the situation, objective assessment is not an approval. Realpolitik rules the world regardless of whether we want it to. 3. You and I see them as monsters by the crimes they committed. That is not how a local sees them. They are seen, quite perversely as avengers. These communities would see this person not as a rapist but someone who can deliver justice where the law can't. A woman in this network would feel completely comfortable approaching them. I find it incredulous that people live such sheltered lives that they don't know this actually happens on the streets around them. It's not a jibe on you, but the shoddy understanding of our own societies. Look at how this reflects in movies, even in the progressive southern movie industry. The hero who beats up the eve teasing villain is also an eve teaser in a different scene. They are not being honoured for the crime they committed but for "serving their time despite being the retaliator"(not my view, that is how they are seen). 4. We need not be lawyers to discuss this case. We don't have to go back very far when the right wing was raging about the acquittal of Nirbhaya's Juvenile convict. BJP raging that AAP gifted him a sewing machine and the NGO efforts that relocated him to South India anonymously. Regardless of our qualification we, at the very least seek to understand the principle and at most seek to change it.
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@kaustubhshukla6462 are you naive enough to not differentiate between de facto and de jure in real life? Wake up to the realpolitik. 😂 This is how all democracies conduct themselves behind the scenes. It's a moral wasteland.
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Sexual assault is accompanied with other charges which pushes up the sentance. This "Cows safer than women" is hyperbole taken to the extreme.
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@jeniljebajosin5967 so Hindus want to kill innocent peaceful minorities to feel good about themselves for India not facing up geopolitically. 🤦 1. Why were the likes of Umesh Kole killed? Was he an RSS "goon" who was accidentally killed persecuting minorities? 2. Isn't geopolitics and external security the areas Modi govt succeeding at? Like resisting American pressure to buy Russian oil? Galwan? Pathankot? Shouldn't this rise asuage the inferiority complex of Hindus? You don't even need to credit the BJP, MMS had gotten the civilian nuclear deal, exclusive to India. They should have never been voted into power.
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Source?
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@anwarmi2000 you may be correct here. I read an article where the age of 3 of them was stated as 36-40 which means they would have been between 16-20 in 2002. Unable to find the article; can't remember the name of the portal either.
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@jeniljebajosin5967 1. Pakistan attacked and left without a scratch? Balakot? 2. Where is Abhinandan now? Could you name another instance where a captured pilot was released? 3. China did not walk in and take 900sqkm. They denied access to 250sqkm for Indian patrols, have patrols into the undefined area of 850sqkm and have built infrastructure behind lines at Ladakh. You mixed three separate stories. 4. I have clarified my stance in the first reply to this thread and the Last reply to Kaustubh. Don't want to repeat. 5. If any killing has to be condemned, why is there a lack of definition from your side on the nature of the killings of the likes of Umesh? Wasn't it you who implied Hindus are taking it out on minorities? What would embolden unrelated peaceful people across the country to kill for the sake of fb and WhatsApp statuses? It's not like this is the first killing of this nature in India. It's been there since pre-independance. Haven't all the violent Islamist elements left for Pakistan and Bangladesh?
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@jeniljebajosin5967 1. Yes it is. Considering the previous instances of PoW with our country. If a Pakistani pilot was shot down and released within days, what would it have done to the Modi govt? 2. How is this development regression from the past? India does not have the infrastructure to combat this and that is how we got here. 3. I have already addressed the release. I want to stick to your talking point that Hindus have started persecuting minorities. Why were minorities persecuting the majority in the past?
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Not as important as politics
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@arnabkundu114 is it on YouTube? What is the title of the video? Scrolled quite a bit, would appreciate the help.
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@lazycyclone it's not whataboutery. I hate how people in the country regardless of political leanings recognise institutional and systemic issues and ascribe them only to the opposition. Mudi hates revdi but UP announces it anyway. It's ok if BJP does it because fiscal responsibility is only an issue when it comes to AAP or opposition. The institutional lacunae with good conduct, releasing criminals, Juvenile justice and politicisation is now purely a BJP thing because of this case. When Karnataka released hundreds of PFI activists under Congress rule, it was not a problem for the liberals. In both cases, the release was legally valid and politically motivated. We are condemned to replaying these incidents over and over again.
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