Comments by "Jessica Dainese" (@JessicaDainese) on "What Happens to Rich People Under Socialism?" video.

I think Yugoslavia was a very good example of socialism. I wished Italy was like that now. My parents spent their honeymoon in Yugoslavia in 1973 and they loved it. Very sad what happened after Yugoslavia ended to those countries 😢
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Btw, this is kind of how so called "red cooperatives" worked/ work in Emilia Romagna, which is one of Italy's richest regions 😂 so socialism doesnt make people poorer like American propaganda want people to believe. I worked for years for an Italian magazine/ newspaper who was/is owned by the workers themselves and everybody from the editor in chief to the journalists to the cleaning people had the same salary. It is a very high quality and respected newspaper, a lot of the best Italian intellectuals and journalists wrote for it. Why can't all businesses work like this? Once you are paid enough to live a very comfortable life, why do you want so much more?
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@SB_2000PRCO dont worry about it 😀 I understand what you say. It's just that Social Democracy is not good enough. You are Indian, so your country was exploited by the UK for their welfare system. But in the last decades more or less all countries have suffered from neoliberal damage. I hope we can stop it before its too late. I am old and I do not have children, but if you are young and/or have children, I think you should really do something to change things before its too late. Good luck!
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@SB_2000PRCO sorry I was rude. I promise I have nothing against you.
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@SB_2000PRCO you are too kind ❤️ I know your (amazing) culture respects older people, unlike other cultures. Thank you.
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No, social democracy relies on exploiting labor and resources from poor countries. I am European, I know how our system works. Right now they are trying to dismantle the Italian welfare system, privatizing public services like healthcare while giving them less funds, try to undo workers rights etc. Meloni, who ran an anti-immigration campaign, has accepted more immigrants than previous governments. They need cheap labor to pay for Italians' pensions, healthcare, etc. These immigrants live and work in appalling conditions. We do not have a legal minimum wage in Italy so immigrants, with no safety nets, are forced to work for peanuts. Many die from terrible working conditions. They close an eye about illegal immigrants because they know illegal immigrants will not have the means to denunce these crimes. It is a cruel system and I do not want that in my country. On the other hand, Italy is becoming home to many millionaires and even billionaires escaping the UK and other countries because they are taxed LESS in Italy. Elon Musk, Zelensky and many other have bought or are building mansions in Italy. Our gap between the very rich and the poor is becoming bigger and bigger. I hate it.
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@SB_2000PRCO are you serious? I AM ITALIAN. I AM 49, so I have been voting for 30 years. I am an ex journalist and activist. I know very well Meloni is a fascist (far right). I also know very well what social democracy is. I am a marxist. I think YOU need to study more about politics because you sound very naive. Are you American?
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@SB_2000PRCO Center-Left in Italy is PD (democrats). I vote AVS (green and far left alliance). We have no real social democratic party in Italy. We used to have a huge Communist Party (PC). Meloni comes from ex MSI, heirs of Mussolini. I am from a family who fought the fascists during WWII. Dont even think you can teach ME about politics in MY country. The fact we have Meloni as a PM now has NOTHING to do with our economic, political, social etc system. The Democrats are as guilty of trying to erase workers rights and the welfare state as any right wing party in Italy. Our only hope is the real Left (AVS) and possibly a shift to the Left of the Dems, who have been shifting to the center in the last 3 decades. You know nothing about Italian history/ politics, nor how European social democracy works. European countries can afford a welfare state only because they exploit poor countries (ex colonies in many cases, like France and the UK) or poor immigrants in European countries. Social democracy is the rich giving the poor some benefits to avoid a real socialist/ communist revolution. With a socialist country like Yugoslavia literally as neighbors, and doing so well (my parents spent their honeymoon in Yugoslavia in 1973 and loved it), and a very big Italian Communist Party, the Italian élites HAD TO give Italians decent workers rights, welfare, free healthcare and education etc. There was a very real possibility of a civil war otherwise. After the destruction of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, the Italian Communist Party changed into the Democratic Party and that was the end of a real, powerful Left in Italy and the beginning of the dismantling of the welfare state, workers rights, the start of privatisations etc. Please get informed before talking about things you have no idea about.
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@SB_2000PRCO @SB_2000 Center-Left in Italy is PD (democrats). I vote AVS (green and far left alliance). We have no real social democratic party in Italy. We used to have a huge Communist Party (PC). Meloni comes from ex MSI, heirs of Mussolini. I am from a family who fought the fascists during WWII. Dont even think you can teach ME about politics in MY country. The fact we have Meloni as a PM now has NOTHING to do with our economic, political, social etc system. The Democrats are as guilty of trying to erase workers rights and the welfare state as any right wing party in Italy. Our only hope is the real Left (AVS) and possibly a shift to the Left of the Dems, who have been shifting to the center in the last 3 decades. You know nothing about Italian history/ politics, nor how European social democracy works. European countries can afford a welfare state only because they exploit poor countries (ex colonies in many cases, like France and the UK) or poor immigrants in European countries. Social democracy is the rich giving the poor some benefits to avoid a real socialist/ communist revolution. With a socialist country like Yugoslavia literally as neighbors, and doing so well (my parents spent their honeymoon in Yugoslavia in 1973 and loved it), and a very big Italian Communist Party, the Italian élites HAD TO give Italians decent workers rights, welfare, free healthcare and education etc. There was a very real possibility of a civil war otherwise. After the destruction of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, the Italian Communist Party changed into the Democratic Party and that was the end of a real, powerful Left in Italy and the beginning of the dismantling of the welfare state, workers rights, the start of privatisations etc.
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@SB_2000PRCO my comments keep being deleted.
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@SB_2000PRCO I am Italian, 49 (so I have been voting for 30 years), and an ex journalist and activist. I do not need anyone to teach me about politics, history, socialism, social democracy, fascism or anything. YOU are the one who needs to study more and sound very naive... American?
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@SB_2000PRCO Meloni has been in power for 2 years. She has nothing to do with how our country's political and economic system works. Most of the Italian parties in the last 30 years, from center left to the right, have been cutting welfare, undermining workers rights, and privatizing. The PD (democratic party) was no better than Meloni were they were in power. I vote AVS, the real Left, but they never got more than 7% of votes in recent years. The Communist Party used to have 30% of votes before the Soviet Union was destroyed.
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@SB_2000PRCO what you call social democracy is just how most European countries have been working since post WWII. Its just our "normal". There is no Social Democratic party that did this. EVERY SINGLE PARTY in Italy since post WWII has been working in this system, from communists to christian democrats to the right wing parties. But since the end of the Soviet Union EVERY PARTY but the far Left have become more neoliberal (pro capitalist) and trying to undo the welfare state etc. In a social democracy you have to fight for keeping any small right you gain from the élite. You stop fighting, they take rights away. They cant exploit poor countries anymore, they dont have any extra money anymore and they cut the welfare state. In a real socialist country this DOES NOT happen. Social Democracy is putting a bandaid on capitalism's failures. Socialism is treating the disease. Communism is when you dont need a cure anymore. I hope that was easy enough for you to understand. English is not my first language obviously.
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@SB_2000PRCO everything you list about social democracy was done in Italy after WWII by every party. Some were achieved even before that. The only things we do not have in Italy is a law about minimum wage (because that is decided by our very strong labor unions, not by the law, but we are fighting to have a law for that). And social equity, which is proper socialism. But we still have much more equity than a country like the USA. Our middle class is bigger, we dont have many billionaires yet, and no italian is starving or living in the streets. As I said, immigrants ARE in a worse economic and social position and we (the Left) want to change that, and tax the rich more, but the biggest parties are voted because they promise Italian people more welfare, and they dont wanna tax the rich more, so the only solution for them is exploit immigrants here and/or exploit poor countries. Sorry to burst your bubble, but thats how social democracy works. We need to get rid of capitalism, not putting a bandaid over it. If you are American, I understand that for you social democracy is better of what you have now, but in Europe thats our reality and we know it works only with exploitation of others. We can do better than social democracy.
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 @KarlSnarks me too (Italy) and I agree with you.
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