Comments by "" (@titteryenot4524) on "Macron and Le Pen clash in French presidential election debate - BBC News" video.

I’ve always found it interesting when Europeans who consider themselves ‘indigenous’ to this continent and more entitled thereby compared to other less-entitled, ‘non-indigenous’ folk, suddenly go silent when America is mentioned, or Australia, or New Zealand, or Mexico, or Peru, or Brazil; for by their logic no European who arrived post 1519 in Mexico, post 1524 in Peru, post 1500 in Brazil, post 1620 in America, and no European who arrived after 1606 in Australia and in New Zealand after 1642 has more entitlement than the ‘indigenous’ Aborigines. Not to mention all the African and Indian nonsense that went on as Europeans arrived and aggressively imposed their ways. No, somehow it’s ok that European settlers moved to these places and brutally subjugated (and in millions of cases, enslaved) those already settled there, but when non-Europeans arrive in Europe, to work, to seek a better life in most cases, somehow that’s just not on. Hypocrisy and double-standards doesn’t begin to cover it, and Le Pen and her ilk have not a leg to stand on when a few non-Europeans pitch up in their backyard to play.
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@joeoria4497 It’s not a Catholic country, either. It’s a secular republic. On this basis, it very much is the point.
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We do. He’s called Tommy Robinson.
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@Adam-mo6gf All I’m saying is it’s extraordinarily culturally-blind to ignore the historical barbarities our forbears have committed when people like you moan when a few funny looking foreigners pitch up in your neck of the woods, that’s all. I’m not blaming you personally for all these ignominies, but you are certainly complicit by virtue of being from the place in the name of which these terrible acts occurred, particularly when you are such a seemingly vocal patriot (presumably you are another one of those who believe in national ‘pride’ based on arbitrary, random, accidents of birth. I may be wrong.) Just for the record, I’m not an open-door immigration advocate and I do actually think certain strands of Islam should make a bit more of an effort; however, every other culture I can think of, aside from this one, who lives here does make that effort.
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@ezioauditore3128 Not ‘blaming’ anyone, mate. Simply saying a little self-awareness wouldn’t go amiss when certain people claim certain rights. That’s all.
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@Petal4822 Why did so many people from Christian countries colonise so many other countries when those other countries didn’t ask for it?
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@Petal4822 To seek a better life. Why did Europeans colonise others?
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@ezioauditore3128 Just as a point of order, as it’s important in this debate, the UN Refugee Convention does not make it a requirement to seek refuge in the first safe country refugees come to, and UK case law supports this interpretation. Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other ‘safe’ countries. A large part of this whole issue, for many, possibly including you, reading between the lines, is linked to this idea of why don’t those who come through several ‘safe’ countries seek asylum in one of those countries? Answer: they don’t have to.
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@ezioauditore3128 Last time I checked Le Pen wanted out of the EU. You may need to get a better researcher.
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@Dagoth Ur As far as I can see, no one is spreading ‘hate, terror and wanting to overwrite culture’ more than a minority hardline Muslim cohort. Every other culture I can think of makes the effort. I agree, certain strands of Islam have a bit of an issue doing this, it seems, and I also agree, that it’s a little bit beyond me why some within Islam come to live here and don’t make a bit more of an effort, if only out of courtesy to those with whom you have come to live. All that said, every Muslim I’m personally aware of, about 12-15, make that effort and they are as ‘integrated’ as every other culture I can think of who have settled on these shores.
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@ezioauditore3128 So, you would ban absolutely all immigration, is that it? If not, where’s the issue?
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@ezioauditore3128 The ones that come here invariably have connections here, speak the language, come from countries (Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq) that the West has helped to fuck up etc. Your mistake is to suggest there are not pull factors for these people to come here. I agree the system needs reforming, just really making the point that over 90% of the people coming here claiming asylum, are granted asylum. Most are not economic migrants. The other point to make is that it’s not for a ‘free ride’ either, as the benefits offered by Germany and France, for example, are better than here.
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@Adam-mo6gf I have absolutely no issue with 99% of the other cultures that come to live here. I agree, there is a small cohort of Islam that seems to not quite make the same effort as most every Indian, Chinese, African I know of, seems to. However, I would suggest if you’re going to go down the path of banning people of certain faiths coming here, that would be just unworkable in practice. Better to have a well-functioning immigration system allowing a quota in, based on what they can bring to this country, if we’re talking economics. As to refugees; they should all be treated equally, regardless of their culture, and if genuine refugees, are, and should be granted asylum.
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@Adam-mo6gf Quota in the sense of non-open door immigration. Controlled economic immigration. The door would be open for all genuine asylum seekers.
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@Adam-mo6gf But over 90% who apply are accepted. So, if we are going to take them in anyway as genuine asylum seekers, where’s the issue?
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@Adam-mo6gf As to the ‘immorality excused because it’s “culturally insensitive” to do so’, well, that’s an infinitesimally minuscule proportion of all sex crimes in the UK, most of which are carried out by the actual partners of the victims, or someone the victim knows. This is not to excuse what you are referring to, but to focus on these is a bit like me moaning about the one black sheep in the field and ignoring the rest of the flock.
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@Adam-mo6gf Look mate, much like you I find all organised religion anathema, but precisely because we live in an open, free democracy (relatively), we permit freedom of worship. My take on all this stuff is quite simple: if you are breaking no laws, speaking the native language, and paying your taxes, you can pretty much do what you want between consenting adults. Religion and politics should be kept separate, at the state level, notwithstanding that the UK doesn’t observe this, but thankfully the Church is so defanged in today’s Britain it’s powerless. Like you, of all the organised religions, it’s Islam I trust the least, based on what you refer to about democracy, for example, (but also women’s rights, an obvious homophobia and the startlingly violent passages in the Koran openly exhorting Jihad for every Muslim) and based on past behaviour. However, I repeat what I said earlier: the vast majority, actually all the Muslims I have known in my life have been integrated with the wider community and were leading peaceful, productive lives. Again, to focus on the ones that aren’t, is like focussing on that black sheep once again, to the exclusion of the rest.
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@Adam-mo6gf So what’s your solution? Blanket ban for all Muslims?
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@Adam-mo6gf ‘Rels’?
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@Adam-mo6gf Look mate, we are all already mongrels. Get over it. It’s boring.
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Her right leg is 3 inches shorter than the other.
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@DaleHartley My basic point was to point out that this idea of being ‘indigenous’ as stuff and nonsense. I’m fully aware that there were people in places before what we term ‘aborigines’ today. So my argument actually wasn’t flawed. Talking of arguments, you really need to be more concise, stop making irrelevant points, cut out the rambling waffle and stop believing in irrational, arbitrary, random accidents of birth as a key marker of your identity, for that really is asinine, dipshit.
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@tmmartinesq.6216 Interesting specs. From an ‘angular’ point of view. 👓
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Fuck me, Roy. Here was me thinking, after our tete-a-tete the other day, that you were one of these ‘indigenous’ fools. Well said, son. You’re spot in with this one.
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Don’t talk about Macron like that.
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