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@TheHigherVoltage ... There are two sexes... male / female .. FULL STOP! There are a fraction of percent of intersex, but the numbers are so low, they are not considered another sex, for the purposes of every day discussion.
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So, if a man has effeminate features, skinny, small Adams apple, high voice then he is a female? No.. he is not. If a female is strong and has a deep voice... she is male? No... she is not! We cannot have objective standards of conduct, when we have a subjective determination of a person's sex. There is a reason we have separate bathrooms, showers, gym's locker rooms and spaces that are SPECIFICALLY separated for females. Do not attempt to gas light me here, as I am not buying it. Sexual preferences have ZERO to do with being male or female, this is a psychological condition that drives that person to attraction of same sex. That is not a put down or to say they need to be institutionalized or even therapy, only that it is not the "normal", as per the laws of nature. We cannot change ALL the rules of societal interaction, based on how someone "feels". This is how we get men in female prisons that only want to grape the female population that is TRAPPED within the walls of a prison.
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If you are a male, you were born with a male brain, regardless of whom you are attracted. Females the same thing. I could not care less how many species are claimed to engage in same sex attraction / behavior, it STILL does not make that person a male in female body or verse visa.
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As an adult, I could not care one iota about whom you or ANYONE is attracted or engages in relations, so long as that other person is consenting and of legal age. A bit of a different discussion when two late teens, but there STILL may be legal implications, but neither here nor their.
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I could not care less what surgery, hormones or furry outfits anyone wants to wear, but I have a MASSIVE issue, when anyone is grooming children of less than legal adult age. Now, there is a place for some discussion when in early teens, but this is primarily the parents / guardians domain and / or some in public / private schools, so long as parents have a say or the ability to opt their child out.
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I am not buying your subjective determination of objective reality.. sorry, not sorry.
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@charlieb8788 .. is that true? I will vote in person in a couple days, as I have ZERO faith in voting by mail. I see about a 15% chance that the association of my name, which is printed on the ballot envelope, and the it being on the conservative list of registered voters, would see my ballot be counted! It really troubles me to feel this way, but there will be one sure test to the legitimacy of this election. We know that 2M people hand-signed an initiative to recall Grewsom. If we get little more or God forbid LESS than that number be counted as a "YES" for recall, we will know the fix is in. Sadly, I would not put it past the Demoncrats to actually have such poor forethought as to make sure that tally falls well short of 2M recall votes. Even if it did, the GOP wont have the ballz to make a legit argument for recount or accusation of fraud.
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I saw a video, in which a ballot envelope had a 1/4" hole to which you could identify a specific check-box once the ballot was placed in side and oriented correctly. That hole showed very clearly the black mark where the "recall Grewsome" box was filled in. I checked my envelope and sure enough, it had that same hole, but there happened to be no configuration in which that hole exposed ANY particular vote within. Not sure what that means, but that video is what convinced me to vote in person!
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@AGJ117 ... What in the hells ya'll talkin' 'bout? Since you brought it up, exactly where did ANYONE in this thread talk trash about rap artists? Who in this thread said the agree or disagree with Cardie B. For that matter, what makes Cardie B. imminently right or wrong an any particular issue? Even if me or anyone here did talk trash about Cardie B., does that mean she is to be completely discounted for any and EVERYTHING she may say from now into the future? Why would agreeing or disagreeing have anything to do with Naz or Meghan? Are these people somehow psychologically connected, so as to share the identical thoughts on all subjects? Did anyone in this thread speak of Cardie B. and the "gay/ho agenda" as you call it? Who said we hate / like / indifferent to ANY of those you mentioned? Who said that we think none of them are worth listening to on any given subject? You don't know any of us, you probably aren't aware that I got into rap / hip hop back in '89 and have well over 300 CD's of everyone from Public Enemy, KRS-ONE, NWA, Geto Boys, Ice-T, Last Poets and roughly 50 others. So.... you stereotype much?
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Maybe you should check yourself, before you wreck yo self! (werd)... lol
EDIT: I happen to think that Cardie B. pointed out some SERIOUS hypocrisy of Joy Reid, who I happen to think is stupid-azz nazty leftist biotch who was CRUSHED a couple months back by exposing her idiocy regarding what CRT actually is! I don't follow Cardie B. in any way shape or form, but in this particular instance... she was SPOT FUCKING ON!
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@rubecork7102 Amen! The difficulty most have, is oft times a condition of social media and the anonymity it provides. We have become "separated" from each other by ones and zeros and many years from now, studies will bare out the results of social media on society and it WON'T be pretty :( For reasons that ultimately lead back to he values with which someone was raised, far, far, far too many find it acceptable to be a complete arse when it comes to expressing a difference of opinion. Such discourse will cause a visceral response in nearly all cases and then a reply in kind. Since outrage has proven to get more "clicks", we have platforms like Twitter, IG and others that essentially promote such discourse. Because of how fast information is exchanged, the limitation of characters to express that information and, most importantly, the lack of discipline readers have to digest the info and FOLLOW UP WITH SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH to varify authenticity of the comment, we resort to horrible discourse.
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I don't have an answer for anyone but myself. I do my best to not only confirm what I read, but often read the ENTIRE comment 2 or 3 times, to help curb some visceral response the initial reading may have generated. I VERY often find that a second reading, shows that I missed a nuance or detail that completely changes my initial reaction. I cannot say how many times doing this has saved me from writing a very strong, but still respectful, disagreement with someone and would have been completely wrong! I have at times written something poorly and another has asked for clarification, because they took my meaning in a way which I did not intend. This has happened more than once over the years and I am always thankful to that person for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
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I have also had a "rocky" start with a replying to a comment and both of us continually reaching for common ground. To look past what we thought was ignorance, bias or whatever to find that we both learned something from each other and ended up having a really great exchange. We both hung in there and gave benefit of doubt to one another and became interweb besties :) I have also found, that I tend to write quite long replies, as it is the details that give context and express nuance and is very difficult to get into 280 characters.
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@TheHigherVoltage ... There is nothing wrong with gay rights that WERE necessary, as LGB's and even T's are protected under The Constitution. The problem is that humans are a binary species and it is not natural to engage in homosexuality. This is a clinical term and am not disparaging the lifestyle, only that we have had approx. 117 billion people born to this earth, and 100% of them, with ZERO exceptions was born of a female that had egg fertilized by a male. Since same sex people cannot pro-create, it is outside of the "natural" order of life. That does not mean they deserve anything less than 100% protections from The Constitution, but that this way of living runs counter to natural law and opened the door for going further in that direction. So long as it was confined to adults, more power to them. The problem we have NOW, is what was predicted by those in the '80's.
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Whether by Christians, GOP, conservatives or ANYONE, once the door was opened, the line just keeps moving. At that time, the LGB's said that they would NEVER, EVER go after children and I think they were completely sincere. However, we did not have the T's in ANYWHERE near the stratosphere, as we do now and it is the trans activist cult who is pushing for children to be included in sexualized behaviors that are WAY, WAY beyond their ability to grasp (and should not be anyway!)
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It is not rights of the LGB's or even T's, of which we are concerned... it is the C's (children) who have ZERO place in any of this!
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@sthubbins4038 ... @RoseLawliet ... I think what Dave and others, like myself, are saying is that if we say it is OK to say you DON'T have freedom of choice for Covid, where and when does that line stop? If we mandate vax today, then it will be easier to mandate other health related items going forward. "Hey, you are 105 lbs over-weight for your age group, you cannot buy french fries at a restaurant". Sooner or later, that gets moved to 75 lbs over-weight... then 50 lbs. As soon as we cross that line, it WILL be pushed farther down the road, when 105 lbs becomes the "normal" standard for mandating morality on others. This is an EXCEEDINGLY dangerous road we are on here and far too many people, not saying this about either of YOU, but we are that frog in the pot of water, with the temperature ever increasing to a boil!
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@TheHigherVoltage ... RE: What is the strawman... : Here are your quotes quoting me:
Firstly, I want to say that I appreciate your engaging with me. As I said, 100% respond one of two ways, but I cannot say that any longer 🐱I may be able to say 99.95%, but cannot say 100% any longer 😸I am saying this in a silly way, but you do have my respect for making your case. Whether I agree with it or not, humans can NEVER resolve any differences of opinion, when one or both sides refuse to debate, discuss and find some common ground in which to move forward: .... on to my replies:
So...by "everyday discussions", you really mean, but the subjective wishes of people who refuse to admit there is more than just 'male' and 'female'.
My reply to the above (not so much a strawman, but rather... "So you're saying" ALA Cathy Newman):
Do not project upon me what it is you think I mean. If you are unsure or it does not make sense... ask for clarification. The term "everyday discussions" was not used to dismiss anyone or their opinions. It was to used as a replacement for colloquially, but was drawing a blank on that word at the moment. There are anomalies in nature all the time. There are 4 leaf clovers, sometimes we see two-headed snakes or birth defects that leave a person with Down syndrome or body part deformed for some reason. To use intersex as a 3rd sex / gender, so as to BLOW UP the the binary of humans, and the entirety of the animal kingdom, is a leap I will not take. For the record, at no point did I say or do I feel, that 4 leaf clovers, two-headed snakes, those born with Down syndrome, missing / deformed body parts... OR, those who are born intersex, are to be discounted, eliminated or reduced to zero worth.
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"I am not buying your subjective determination of objective reality.. sorry, not sorry."
The irony. You want to argue that millions of people around the world, who are born either with both or neither sex organs, shouldn't be in the definition of objective reality
My reply to the above (my reply to the above and this IS a strawman):
This is taking a twisted and least generous interpretation of what I said, more importantly...what I meant, as to be offensive. My response immediately above, pretty much covers this as well. The number of intersex people that exist has zero bearing upon their value as humans. I sure as hell did not say, suggest, imply or respond flippantly, as to their inclusion of the population. My point, which I made clear, but you speciously dissected as a removal of my consideration, is where I take issue with you.
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The numbers of itersex persons born is 0.02%–0.05%, as per WIKI check right now. I am not arguing these numbers are definitive or that there are those who argue more or less, only that these fall directly in line with my statement of "... fraction of a percent", in my previous comment. Regardless of how many people this happens to be in the world, we cannot use THOSE numbers as leverage to say there is no binary in humans. Intersex is a birth defect. Something went wrong in the development within the incalculable number of variables, circumstances and absolutely INSANE melding of a female egg and male insemination. My dad's second wife has a daughter who has had two children, while living on the streets and addicted to meth. The fathers, only one of which is known, were JUST as messed up. Yet.. the son is 18 yo and daughter is 6 yo and by all accounts, they are none the worse off, in terms of development, due to both parents F'd up chemical poison that was flowing through her body, as she cycled and the sperm his body created WITH such poison in his body.
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Was not seeking to get side tracked with family, but rather illustrate how with ALL that can go wrong, the human DNA ability to work within the bounds of such horror as to fertilize and create that tiny human under a bloodstream of both flowing with chemicals, is AMAZING. However, as mentioned, there are indeed MANY who are born with various anomalies, but no matter how many people it happens to be... they were "meant" to XX or XY with perfectly functional reproductive organs, but something went wrong. They are no less valuable as humans, animals or plants, but we cannot take THAT percentage of outcomes to say that 99%+ are not the norm.
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I can get VERY wordy in my comments, but kept as short as could, while saying what needed to be said. Peace, THV :)
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@Jimmy-ci7zn ... Sadly, I am not even remotely surprised that this happened at ALL, regardless of location :( If I have learned anything about Gen Z, it is the level of narcissism and entitlement of "give me NOW, NOW, NOW" it's that such behavior is one-upped every single day! I remember very distinctly back in mid 80's, I think it was, with the participation trophy movement, so that children would not feel left out and would be "special". Now, I cannot tell you that I foresaw this level extreme would be the result many years later, but I knew that this type of behavior would result. What I did not understand at the time, was that we were THEN about to have a 3rd generation of Marxist indoctrinated children that would never mature past the age of about 3 yo.
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It is this generation that I worry about the most. As when this house of leftist cards finally comes crashing down, I cannot foresee them making it in a traditional Western World society. Since we have soo many "children" who think exactly like those in this video, this is going to be a very long and difficult road for all of us going forward. I cannot predict how this will all turn out, but rest assured... it is going to get a HELL of a lot uglier, before it ever gets better :(
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@AGJ117 ... My point in saying I have rap / hip hop CD's, was merely to point out that you are stereotyping everyone in this thread as haters and completely tribal in their thinking. I can see with the comment above, you have continued with the exact same thinking and still without any evidence to support your argument. I say again, where / when did ANYONE in this thread express in even the slightest way that did we "trash newer artists" or would be down on her had she said.."we should all get the vaccine" and exactly what in the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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As for praising or condemning Cardie B. over her stance on vaccine, you have absolutely ZERO clue how any of us feels about the vaccine, as you are the ONLY one to even mention it! This thread began with my expression of how leftists deny evidence of guilt or hypocrisy that is right in front of their face. Cardie B. pointed out a perfect example of which I have mentioned myself many times over the last year plus. Joy Reid released a Tweet, back when Trump was president condemning the entire process of a vaccine and those who would oversee its development and approve of its use for humans. THEN.... not 1 year later, Joy is talking about how death is near complete certainty if one does NOT take that VERY SAME vaccine she railed against a year earlier.
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Now, I will not argue that this vaccine was rushed, due to overwhelming fear of death and mainstream media plays a HUGE role in why people feel this way. However, by all accounts, this vaccine is very effective and does not seem to have any side effects that cannot be expected to be found in any vaccine. There are always going to be some adverse reactions, but it is reasonable to assume there may be less of them had the vaccine gone through the more rigorous testing that most do prior to widespread release.
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Each of your comments above have been complete leaps of how you think each of us in this thread feels, but is without any comment or evidence to support it. This is not a court of law, but for gosh sakes, you are assuming we are nothing more than tribal automatons who just spout the party line. I realize that there are some that do exactly that, but anyone who would do so, is an ideologue. So far, you Ag, are the ONLY one here who may fall into this camp. I cannot speak for anyone else in this thread, but I am not tribal in my support for the GOP. I am best described as a moderate conservative, but mostly libertarian in my political affiliation. That is because I happen to align with basic principles of the GOP and most certainly break from them when my principles conflict with the "party line". I have a LOT more to say on that subject, but I am taking us off topic here and do apologize for it :)
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Look, you have no doubt seen people critical of Cardie B. and probably many are ONLY aware of "WAP" and those more controversial songs / statements / appearances she has made. OK... let's say that is true, it is YOU who have come into this thread and exposed yourself as EXACTLY what you are purporting the rest of us to be... tribal! How I feel about "all things Cardie B." is 100% irrelevant to how I see THIS particular act. It is quite rare that a darling of the left actually criticizes another on the left, as the fear of cancellation / ostracizing is ever present. We have seen leftists* and Joy Reid is most certainly such a person, who have completely turned on their own for the crime of "wrong think" and Dave Rubin is a textbook example of exactly that. He was cancelled a couple years ago, because he dared have Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson as interview guests and has been 100% ostracized by left-leaning media ever since. There are ZERO left-leaning media that will have an interview or take a statement from him directly.
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NOTE: I am using the description of "leftist" to describe an ideologue and is NOT to be confused with one who I say is on the "left" or "left-leaning". A leftist, in the context of which I am using it, describes one who follows the doctrine of Marxist / post-modern ideology. There are most certainly such people out there and the preponderance of those who are outspoken occupy the current Democratic party. This is not just a stereotype, it is observable fact and Joy Reid's Tweet that Cardie B. responded to, is a perfect example of a leftist. Joy Reid DESPISES Trump, so she had to condemn the vaccine of which he was president when it first went into development. However, now that Biden is in office, that EXACT vaccine is expressed as a literal life-saving cure that only the most ignorant among us would deny its use. This, my friend was Joy Reid playing virtue signaling how evil she thinks Trump to be, simply because she wanted to virtue signal her allegiance to leftist ideologues.
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ThePorcupineCondition ... Seems you and I define "worst President of all time" in very different ways. Seems to me it was Trump, who banned CRT and one of the first things Biden did, was overturn it. Trump wanted to stop international flights from China to US on Jan. 9th, 2020 to get control of Covid spread to US soil and he was called xenophobic and racist (anti-Asian) for his trouble. 1 month later, Pelosi was standing in a MASSIVE crowd of Chinatown, San Francisco, saying... "come on down and celebrate" . Of course, there were no mask mandates at the time, because the first official Covid death in US was not until March 2nd or 3rd, two weeks later. By April, the Democrats were ALL saying that they were trying to get Trump to act on Covid in the first 2 weeks of Jan. 2020. Take a look at the timeline above which is IRREFUTABLE and tell me how the Democrats are re-writing history and the mainstream media just lets it slide. Exactly how many wars were started by Trump when he was in office...? Oh, i'll tell you.... EXACTLY ZERO! How was the economy going while Trump was President.... best in like 40 years. Who was the very first president to enter office and be pro gay marriage.... Trump was.
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Which President went to G7 and got his ass chewed out by the Prime Minister of France while cowering like a fucking mouse and gave away the store to Putin? Which President cannot complete more than 1 sentence, without a "clarification" being issued by the White House? Which President has undeniable and EXTREMELY clear case of cognitive decline, yet is covered glowingly by the mainstream media? Which President commended respect from foreign leaders and got multiple peace agreements from Islamic nations with Israel? Yes, I understand they are always fragile, but none the less Trump got them talking and heading in the right direction! Which President was willing to talk about possible alternate Covid treatments, that were immediately shut down by Democrats, that had positive scientific and proven results? Which President tried desperately to get governors, mayors and city officials of states being DESTROYED by BLM protests to accept federal ground assistance, only to get rejected out of hand. Exactly what did Biden have to say about the hundreds, upon hundreds of millions of dollars damage, excess of 34 people murdered and multiple cities being terrorized by BLM and Antifa...? Nothing... he didn't say a God Damned thing to condemn it! Not ONE SINGLE Democrat would denounce the terrorism that went on for 9 full months and CONTINUES in Portland? All of those same people are still in The House and still not saying anything about it. If Biden was worth a shit, he would be on governors & mayors arse every damned day pushing them to prosecute those arrested during the "mostly peaceful protests", instead of punishing the police, letting all of the offenders go only to rejoin the terrorism and destroy everything in sight. Biden is a COMPLETE FUCKING DISGRACE and will prove to be the commander in chief while America is being pushed closer and closer toward a socialist state. This country is headed directly toward a civil war and will be recorded as having happened during Biden's watch!
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I could go on and on and on and on, but you get the point. I am not saying Trump was the nicest guy or even that he was not a bit of a schmuck. I am saying that being President of the United States requires a mind for business. Trump not only proved he had a great mind for business, but Biden has proved he has no mind at all!
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@gastronomist ... he he :) OK, makes sense now. I did not make the connection to Daily Wire... lol Ya, I won't make excuses for someone complaining, but it is exceedingly difficult to be a conservative in media these days and not point out all of the ills thrust upon our nation by the leftists. With all of the values and ideals under full-assault by the SJW's, the Dem's and mainstream mediocre, I sometimes feel like guy in a carnival game in which I am on one side of the room and there are 15 people on the other all throwing baseballs at my head! Spending all this energy trying to get out of the way and unable to go on the offensive to actually stop the madness.
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I am not in media, but I am a libertarian / conservative and everything I hold dear is under attack right now and I am nearly powerless to do anything about it. I have become mod of Unsafe Space and has given me an outlet to speak to a live chat audience and been reaching out to build that audience further. There are an INSANE amount of people who are pushing back against an INSANELY few amount of people currently rampaging our cities. Of course, the Marxist scholastic institutions are the ones who indoctrinated them with hatred of all those things I hold dear, but that is in many ways the much bigger issue than the violence in our streets.
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I am not at all downplaying that violence, but unless we get rid of those that have been indoctrinating our youth, the cycle will continue on or just repeat itself in the future :(
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@es83stevenson88 ... Like our man Ben Shapiro says... "Facts don't care about your feelings" :)
Storytime, with the Lil' Ninja: About 1 hour ago, my phone rang and answer machine had one of those voting promotion calls and was from conservative party (as I am registered that way) and sounded like a LIVE person. Sure enough, we spent literally 1/2 hour on the phone and we were on the exact same page on EVERYTHING. While I do everything I can to NOT be within an echo chamber with news and such, I cannot say how pleasant it was to not get ANY disagreement on anything. She and I are both moderate conservatives who want sane Democrats and GOP to not be dominant in any branch and actually work together, so that America gets to have open debate, dialog and comes to a decision that is a fair compromise for a good path forward. Oh, she told me of a press conference at 1PM (PST) with Larry, but no idea the channel or station, but likely on Fox.
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DAMN.... I long for the days when I was not told to STFU, every time I shared an opposing opinion to someone :)
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@soldio4143 .. It is like watching a person eat junk food and not exercise their entire life, then sue the medical establishment for not creating a pill to cure diabetes and heart disease when they are 65 yo! No doubt, people will look back and find a whole bunch of signs that showed very early on, this kid was having some difficulty fitting in to his society or family. Back when intervention could have given this guy a path to a healthy life, long before he spiraled down into what he felt was no way out. Society, particularly those on the left, seem to think if we just monitor these kids blog activity, we can remove them from the discourse, before they can spread their evil ideas. How about we ALLOW them to share these ideas, so people can reach out in the early stages and help him to see that he is not alone and there are ways to address what he is feeling?
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It is just so damned frustrating to see the grandstanding like this and especially when it is IMMEDIATELY after an event, when people are just trying to address the grief and anger of it all. Political opportunists are the WORST!
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In general response to all of the above:
The GOP, Conservatives or political right wing, whatever one wishes to call them, are not dealing with the Democrats or political left that we have known for the last 250 years. They are dealing with socialists & Marxists that have NO ties to the accepted traditional value system this nation was founded upon. Through ALL of the previous presidents and political ideas, there was a fundamental belief in the following 4 things.
1. The Constitution
2. The Bill of Rights
3. The Declaration of Independence
4. The Ten Commandments
While not ALL of the text within these documents was 100% adopted by all, they were accepted as the basic guidelines as to not only live our lives, but govern the country. Today, we have Marxists and not only are NONE of those documents recognized as a moral or legal guide, but they are IN THE WAY! A socialist "utopia" cannot possibly exist, so long as those documents are respected, so the leftist is seeking to destroy EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM! The "Democratic" party, mainstream media, big tech, academia K~12, college & university professors do not feel any moral obligation to these documents and feel as though their ideology is morally superior to anything ANY of those documents has to say.
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The Marxists have changed the rules of EVERYTHING this country and its people were founded upon. So long as those who oppose the leftists continue to ALLOW them to not only re-write the rules, but outright make them up as they go along, we will continue to lose ground to ideological zealots. The leftists have 3 generations of indoctrinated minions and they have infiltrated every part of society. Those of us who were NOT indoctrinated are not outnumbered by those who were, but they have seized control of the means of disseminating information. Information is power and so long as those who control that information STAY in those positions, we will all lose everything.
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Small example of how far we have regressed. Yesterday, I wrote a comment saying "it has become controversial to say there is only [number two] genders". That comment was immediately deleted by minions of YouTube, who were notified via algorithm. After 3 copy / paste of that same comment with minor changes, I finally changed it so it read "too genders" and it was no longer getting deleted. Imagine the delusion one has to ascribe to view the idea of too genders as heresy of doctrine. This is not only what we have come to, but the leftist will continue to push such idiocy until we are driven to a full-on civil war.
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@Violett Fem ... So am I to interpret this as "we get what we deserve" so may as well just be happy with a socialist America?
This is akin to giving your 3 yo a tricycle and when he is caught riding around in the street, saying to yourself... 'Well, I gave him the tricycle, so I have to accept the consequences". The direction this country we have witnessed for quite a few years now, is the result of the indoctrination of Marxist ideals for literally 3 generations. We cannot pin this on simply voting for Obama, Biden or even Trump. No, this is a fundamental shift in core values of which this nation, and the western world for that matter, were founded upon and the positions of IMMENSE power now controlled by those who have abandoned those core values.
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We cannot point to a single point in time or a person who was elected to political office to say "this was when it all started", because the seeds of what we see now were planted in the 50's and when Joseph McCarthy was telling us exactly what to expect. Joseph McCarthy was a TERRIBLE human un-being, but he was 100% correct about the communist threat and we can see just how right he was today.... just look around!
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@tessareynolds8377 ... While I still hate you for keeping DeSantis all to yourself, I do agree with all that you have said.... say just one thing ;) You mention the "division of assets" and this would literally prove impossible. Beyond the fact that such precious assets are spread all over this country, BOTH "sides" would not only be unwilling to give them up to the other, those of us who are sane, would be willing to find a compromise of some kind (trade, neutral ground or whatever), while the Marxists would absolutely not!
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What we have seen time and time again, is the Regrissive Marxists WILL NOT negotiate anything with those whom they consider, in the words of Killary... "deplorables" . They simply WILL not sit down at a table and talk about such things with us lower species. This position would be hardened 1K fold, should it actually come to such a state, even if 95% of Americans were demanding it be done. It would be as if the Taliban sat down at a table and conceded that women were to have full rights and privileges as men... this is just something they will NEVER do, regardless of what you offer in exchange.
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Let's say that we were to magically reach some sort of agreement and some neutral party would step in and be the "go-between" for negotiation and also travel between the divided locations and transact the business of trade. Do you honestly think for one nano, that the Regressives would tolerate the lowly existence of a neighboring area chock full of disgusting, wretched and down right EVIL conservatives...? No, they will not! Once all that was settled, they would come after the people in those areas, because the Marxist cult of leftist ideology is an offensive species and would just not be able to reconcile our existence among the same earth as such a morally superior species as themselves.
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However, it would never come to that point, because by the time tensions got THAT high, full "civil unrest" will ABSOLUTELY have broken out on a mass scale. EXAMPLE: I live in Comifornia and I would be forced to move, should such a division be make. What of the literally millions of others who would be required to give up their entire existence in the house their great, great, great, great grandfather built? Or give up the land that has been in their family for hundreds of years? No, the Regressive would OUTRIGHT demand that such evil minds, as the one I have, be cast out from their land. This would have to be figured out for, I would guess very conservatively... 100M people who live across this country. How would it be possible to find a peaceful solution to driving such people away from their homes... neighborhoods they grew up in... or friends they have known all their lives?
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I realize you did not expect nor desire a response of this length and I am most certainly NOT chastising you or picking on you in even the slightest of ways :) I just know that we tried to separate once before and we saw what happened. The country was MUCH less populated at the time and 75% of the country was never on the front lines of any such conflict. We would have ALL 50 states vying for who gets what, who gets to stay, who is forced (whether required or just "requested") to leave and who is acceptable to remain. No, the Regressives would step up their in-fighting and would then demand that those who are not worthy of being in the more virtuous peoples domain, be cast out, as they leftist has proven to eat its own, just as they devour all that does not comply to the cult.
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No... this could never happen and not just for the reasons stated, but there will be many, many other reasons that will arise that have not been mentioned here or even fallen under consideration by either of us :( I feel the only way out is through! I have literally zero doubt that we WILL see our Fort Sumpter moment at some point. Besides, the Civil War was causing division for several decades and we are only coming up on about 7 years not. That is NOT to down-play how horrendous all this has been, but in terms of escalating tensions, we are probably 50% of the way from actually getting to that point, as it relates to the entire populous that willing to stand their ground.
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I understand that separation makes the most sense, but we must ask ourselves... how often to Regressives accept fact, logic or common sense?
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@tessareynolds8377 .. Thank you for your kind words and right backacha! :) Do you actually think that the "blue states" would accept that "red states" have all of the farm land...? or have all of the oil...? Have some natural gas resources that THEY also need? Sane Democrats, as well as Leftists drive cars... eat vegetable and need natural gas to heat their homes. Do you honestly feel that we could negotiate these resources when one "side" owns them all.
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Just take a look at Israel and ask how Jerusalem has worked out for them! Sure, they have it all neatly tucked away in their country and willing to allow people to visit, but how does this differ from "separate but equal" we heard from Jim Crow...? not much :( We also have a little thing called "supply and demand". Imagine if the CEO of "Middle American Beef Supply" was once living in a home in Cominfornia, but then forced to move out, because it was to become a "blue state"?
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I have to wonder if Mr. CEO would be just as willing to cut a nice deal on that 20K cows for his former state governor Gavin Grewsom.... I wonder? HELL F'ING NO! He would be spiteful, vengeful and raise the price 10x over to punish them for driving him out of his home. Now, imagine this absolutely will happen on BOTH sides of the equation.
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I could go on and on with examples and while I agree with your sentiment as a nice one, it is just not possible to implement. I wish it were, but Americans could not avoid the catastrophic events of 1861, with well under 35M people and that number has now risen to literally almost 10x that amount. I don't like contemplating this any more than you or anyone else, but while separation is a nice term... "peaceful" is a relative term!
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Peace, Tessa... I like the way you think :)
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@tessareynolds8377 ... You are ready to move on now, I get that, but would like to give a couple last thoughts of why I feel as I do. The extremists at the separation negotiation table, whether they be left or right, will drive the conversation. Those of us who don't want armed conflict are not only more agreeable, but they KNOW that we will compromise to avoid that conflict. Therefore, human nature tells us that those who are willing to be violent, will push and push for their agenda. We have seen the leftists are ALL TOO HAPPY to burn cities to the ground, trap people inside of a building and throw Molotov Cocktails through the window, drag people from their cars and beat them nearly to death (remember the black guy who saw a Puerto Rican pride flag, confused it for a Rebel flag and, after a small fender-bender, executed the man and shot his wife and she later died). These people will be front and center when it comes to standing ground for resources. The state doesn't even have to ask them... they WILL be there!
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Leftists have NO issue with the violence it takes to create their Utopian revolution and would make absolutely untenable demands on "red states".... armed conflict will result :(
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@tessareynolds8377 ... I agree with all that you are saying, I disagree that we will be able to achieve such division with any kind of harmony. The red states will have to deal with the repercussions of what happens in the blue ones, and verse-visa, because there are somethings that are going to remain universal between both.
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As a great man once said... "A nation divided against itself cannot stand". This will sound ABSOLUTELY INSANE, but I actually want a MASSIVE natural disaster to befall this nation. A tornado that sweeps from coast to coast... an earthquake that travels over that same distance. Something so terrible and horrifying, that it will literally FORCE us to work together and re-discover that sense of a single nation again. I realize that many millions would die, in such a case, but I think that many may die anyway, should we attempt to separate.
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You and I are just not going to agree on this one, but unlike with the leftists, we won't consider each other enemies for it :)
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Have yourself a wonderful rest of the day, Tessa <3
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@The Machine Stops ... I REALLY wish I could say that I disagree with you, but I cannot!
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Sadly, and there are about 10K sad things about all of this, I think that far, far too many of these leftists actually believe they are doing the right thing. They think that white people deserve to be punished and it will be like a "time out" until those whities learn their lesson. Then... somehow, some way, balance of the universe will be created and this peace will fall upon ALL on earth, if the white man just gets a taste of his own medicine. Of course, those of us who have spent more than 2.5 nanoseconds thinking about all this, realize that "balance" can never be achieved in such a way. I most certainly concede that there are many with pure malice and want a civil war to thin the population, but each and every one of those supporting this leftist insanity will have ZERO idea how to deal with the push back that will undoubtedly take a VERY VIOLENT form from many :(
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@bertg.6056 ... Well, as bad as he is for Comifornia, how would you like to see the entire country under a MASSIVE amount of cult influence that he has? As bad as Grewsom is for CA, there is somebody very close (only Turd-eau is his equal) waiting in the wings to take gov. In this regard, CA would be a bit better off but the country will suffer even MORE than Biden, if this goes the way I am positive it will.
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We have been flirting with 1960's style conflict resolution for a while, but if Grewsom takes his authoritarian, anti-1a, 2a and The Constitution overall, to DC.... he will be a lot smarter and more cunning to attack each. Should this happen, he will seek to create a new alphabet agency to SPECIFICALLY go to peoples homes and take their weapons (he will write some legislation that will take many months to get struck down by SCOTUS).
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If we get Grewsom or another leftist as POTUS 2024, and not some GOP to void all of Biden's un-Constitutional mandates... I don't see us making 2028 without MASSIVE civil conflict.
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@ywiitter1177 .. you speak for the overwhelming VAST majority of not only people in the United States, but most of the world. There are certain groups of people who absolutely DO kill gays just for "being" and we both know who they are. Sadly, the SJW cult has redefined some VERY visceral terms for their own evil purposes and those definitions have become "mainstreamed" in to societies vernacular.
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EDIT: The term "racist" has been re-defined as "power + privilege" by the SJW and is the foundation in which they wield it. However, the accepted definition of racism is STILL held by EVERYONE else. So when the SJW says "so 'n so is a racist", those not following all of this closely, apply the ACTUAL label of racist to the accused. Unless they research the details of WHY that person was accused of this, they take it as face value and are quick to disassociate. This is how the SJW takes what can be a minuscule disagreement over something and EASILY manipulate an individual, business, corporation or entire group of people cough whites cough to be seen as racists.
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They have taken over our scholastic institutions and even the long held belief that Miriam-Webster is the go-to for a definition that is unknown to someone. Since racist has become the term du jour, for anyone that opposes even the most minor, inconsequential item with in the SJW cult of ideology, we now have what they would describe as 300 million white supremacists in America that deny a trans persons right to exist and must be "cancelled" from life itself.
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@ht w I am 55 yo. I can say that from my earliest days, I have been indoctrinated with the belief that southerners were racist, bigoted, ignorant and somehow less intelligent than the rest of us. I never had a teacher that sat up in front of the class and wrote it on the chalkboard or asked me to write an essay of how these things are true, yet these thoughts have been "with" me for my whole life.
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This was not due to my parents, as they never taught me anything like this, but simply absorbed it through various mediums and most likely from jokes. Since humor is a way to say the absurd and push the boundaries of what is acceptable dialog, if a persistent idea is pushed often and by enough people, a narrative is formed. Each of those people telling that joke may not have even believed it, while some certainly did! However, if one hears the same thing over and over and over again, particularly when very young, the context is stripped away and indoctrination has been performed.
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This is also most easily exemplified by "blonde jokes" as they were EXCEEDINGLY common many years ago, but rarely heard today. It took 50 years before the blonde jokes damage became recognized and society has now gone away from them to the degree that they have all but disappeared. While I like humor, we have to understand that it can be as damaging as any other speech, if it is NOT understood as just to get a simple laugh and not to cause harm.
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@mollyfrommichigan5966 sadly... there will ALWAYS be such attitudes :( That does not mean we need to just accept that Uncle Bob is a bigot, but we have 330+ million people in this nation and bigotry / racism is bred... NOT BORN! While certainly there are those who develop such attitudes via experiences they have, most of them have such bigotry learned from parents.
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What we see so blatantly now, is parents recording video of 3 yo children struggling to hold up a "F*** THE POLICE" cardboard sign then being coached to repeat that phrase to the adoration of his parents and friends. I am not saying that some white parents don't do the exact same thing with "F*** THE N******", but there are two VERY distinct differences between them. First... this is broadcast on mainstream social media and seen by millions upon millions of people in the matter of 24 hours. That number of "clicks" is very attractive for a VERY large number of people and they are gaining what they believe to be social currency.
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The second issue is acceptance. Had such a video as that young white child been broadcast on the news just 10 years ago or today, the OVERWHELMING vast majority of those who saw it would be up in arms and be disgusted by such behavior from parents. Today.... that little black child is openly celebrated by WAY, WAY, WAY too many people and is nothing short of child abuse... PERIOD! Imagine setting your child up for such failure? Send him / her out into the world believing that it is NOT POSSIBLE to get ahead, as whitie is always around the next corner to put you down and the police literally HUNT BLACK PEOPLE FOR SPORT!
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Not only is this a complete and absolute fucking lie, it is perpetuated by the Dem's, mainstream media and the SJW's currently on a rampage in many parts of this country.
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@Player_Review [looks frantically for option to "red heart" this comment] :)
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Everything was very well said and I must admit, I was a bit defeatist yesterday :( Was the culmination of several things, but I was pretty pissed about the state of things. We are literally watching everything in which I believe about this nation under attack. One half of that nation is seemingly either not paying attention or they are entirely deceived by mainstream media and my own mother falls into that camp. She knows it is ugly, but she thinks this is all about how racist we are as a nation and has NO IDEA of the socialist plans the leftists have for America.
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I do deride the partisanship, but I wish I was able to be more equal in holding blame to both the GOP and Dem's. We both know that what the Dem's are not directly doing themselves, they either completely agree with BLM, Antifa and the SJW's or they are too weak to speak out against their own party. We can see that such fears are not unfounded, as one only need look at ANY Democrat that goes on CNN, MSNBC or is editor of the NYT's to see the shit-storm of attack for speaking up. I Pray that a Democrat of HUGE influence finally says that enough is enough and grabs the The House by the proverbial neck and shakes some sense in to it. Unfortunately, ALL of those with such power and influence are
100% committed to Orange Man Bad and has completely blinded them to any sense of moral obligation to America and the values it was founded upon.
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Speaking up is what MUST be done by the moderate Dem's, as the Demoncrats in The House instantly dismiss ANY criticism coming from the right. Of course, they see the Alt-right as a person who is 1 degree to the center of Nancy Pelosi! I keep waiting for the event of such an egregious nature that even BLM or Antifa stop and examine their actions. To this point, no such line has been crossed.
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I feel that there will be the destruction of some monument or an explosion that kills a bus load of children or something SO INCREDIBLY horrifying, that even the mainstream media will say this is enough. The catalyst that catapults us BACK from the catalyst that launched this whole thing. Sadly, I feel it will take that bus full of children all captured on video of the body parts of 5 yo kids flying through the air and the mother screaming over the dead body of her child. That image similar to girl in the Kent State photo that just viscerally reaches EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS WORLD and freezes us all in our tracks.
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The visceral response we all had watching George Floyd being killed at the hands of police, but as a wake up call to stop this fucking madness :(
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@Player_Review ... another well spoken reply here... The Kitty digs it! :) Yes... we have not spoken of the VERY likely influence and direct action by those countries who would see American burn. A present though, such discussions in open dialog fall subject to "conspiracy theories by the alt-right". Sadly, this is just one more example of how insanely organized (and incredibly lucky) the left is and has obviously been planning ALL of this for many, many, MANY years. Much of that cannot be attributed as luck, because the Dem's have mainstream mediocre on their side and they are as evil as a millennia is long :(
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With all of the "Russiagate" then "Eukrainegate" and "Trump is a Puppet of China" bullshit, it has become impossible for conservatives to indicate a very likely scenario of foreign interference in our Nation. This is like that movie when the bad guy just keeps forwarding his nefarious plans for world conquest and every time the protagonist is always just that one step behind and he gets away with it ... AGAIN! >:(
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Thank you for your kind words of ego stoking :) No, my mom is not radicalized, per say, but has an INSANE case of TDS. I keep chipping away, but at some point her protective mechanism kicks in and she becomes inconsolable and begins actually physically shaking with distress (not exaggerating here!). I love my mother and will continue to gently chip away around the edges and my brother and I will finally get through to her. I fear that it is gonna take that "bus" event to break though though.
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On your closing line (that is two users in a row with good ones - see @Adam just above). Yes, I have heard that line and like all stereotypes, there is always a bit of truth in them. There most certainly is a connection between the liberal ideals of youth and the conservative values of the more... seasoned... lol
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While I have always been somewhat conservative, I too was focused on that "idealism" of youth. But, just like most everyone who lives outside of an information bubble, I have come to understand that the idealism of youth is not shared by all and most certainly not by some VERY powerful countries whom occupy this earth and would like to see America fall.
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@goober69er I would argue that while the radical or alt-right certainly exists, they are denounced by, well... everybody, so they make no headway into anything mainstream. No doubt they have meetings and secret "we don't talk about Fight Club" websites and some are very likely part of Antifa, as they both have similar aims. However, the radical, extreme or alt-left, is most definitely protected by media. They will claim they are not, but only because they either don't refer to Antifa at all or lump them in with...uhem, "peaceful" protesters.
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The very last thing Antifa are is neither peaceful nor protesting... they are terrorists, pure and simple. They are 100% fascist, so how they are falling under the radar of the left as anti-fascist is a fucking joke. Yes... the proud boys absolutely get unfairly targeted, because the Dem's and media edit video to ONLY show how the Proud Boys responded to violence perpetuated upon them by Antifa. Add to that leftist prosecutors, judges, mayors and other city officials and we see members getting 10 year prison sentences for giving a beat down, while Antifa VERY regularly swings bike locks and heavy weapons at civilians they run down, set vehicles and property on fire and absolutely terrorize ANYONE who gets in their path. That includes little old ladies and men in walkers just trying to cross the street.
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Imagine for a split second if we saw someone NOT protected under the wings of Democrats or mainstream mediocre was to do what we saw Antifa do to that elderly couple in Canada last year. The media would have had that video lead on EVERY newscast for weeks on end and the Demoncrats would have launched a full-scale investigation into "the extreme alt-right terrorizing our citizens". But since it was most clearly Antifa... they don't say a God damned thing and those that follow ONLY such media for their news, have no idea that it even happened at all.
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Those on the libertarian / conservative side absolutely showed that video, but what does big tech, YT and Google do...? shadow ban such channels and websites, then turns to their buddies Patreon to claim "violation of terms" BS and takes away MASSIVE amounts of income to those creators. Now, they have to fight for their lives to even get a job, so they sure as hell aren't going to spend their resources making sure others see such videos of Antifa terrorism.
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Over the last couple days, Patreon is beginning to reap what they have sewn and there are MANY, MANY left leaning and leftist creators who's income are now under direct threat, as Patreon may be forced to close over litigation costs.
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We will see where this all goes, but even with the GOP being useless as tits on a boar hog, those on the "right" side of history are beginning to break through :)
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@kurarisusa ... OMG, just a day or so ago, this thread crossed my mind. This thread has generated more response than anything else I had ever said on YT by light years. There are now 251 replies and I had followed each and every one and probably responsible for 35 of its comments. As for your comment here... yes, absolutely! The leftist feels he / she possesses the moral high ground and since some words are considered "violent", responding with actual violence is a 100% acceptable response. This is why BLM and SJW's indoctrinated in the idiotology feel completely justified in attacking and sometimes killing anyone from a small child (remember the two teens that knocked the MAGA hat off of that 6 yo's head, probably 2+ years ago?) Or, just this past week when the Amazon delivery driver attacked the elderly woman, because of her white privilege?
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Of course, I haven't even mentioned the 9 months of rampaging attacks on literally ANYONE in eyesight that left 34 people dead, hundreds of millions of dollars damage and who knows how many businesses destroyed. This whole thing sickens me... just sickens me :( Now we are finally getting real push back on the evils of CRT and those who were asleep all this time thinking that Orange Man was the real menace, are beginning to see that this admin, along with the Progressive party are the true evil of our day.
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If you are curious to see how much denial the SJW faces, open the replies to this comment, beginning from the very first one. Most who replied were engaged and on the side of being human, but there are a few that are just those lost souls and, like you just said... believe in the cult. Logic, common sense, reason and facts just have no place in response to what they think, because they possess the moral high ground!
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@surfingtheoceanoftheinterwebs ... WOW... but it sadly does not surpise me :( I live in Marin Co. and is probably a bit less liberal than your area, but is quite bad. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, there is NO reason whatever to print up different ballots regardless of mail-in or in-person. This is a special election with only 2 boxes to fill in. There can be no possible doubt that Democrats are behind the variations in all this stuff, if for no other reason than to inject confusion and such into the process. I have lost an insane amount of faith in what is, on paper, far and away the best way to elect a representative government.
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Of course, the rules bear very little to the outcome we get at the end of the day! The more this goes on, the more I begin to think that the current system for the last 250 years is going to have to be completely destroyed, as the Demoncrats are absolutely trying to do. THEN... we will have some twisted, psychotic semi-socialist utopia that will take 100 years to finally implode. At that point, some hermit scholar will be looking through a long lost civilization and come across the founding fathers documents. Like a lightning bolt, those documents will be "re-discovered" as the miracle that they truly are and our nation will start anew.
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That is an EXTREMELY ugly variable in all of this, but the alternative is even uglier...
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@beegood14 ... Yes. The Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media Machine in America may not be run by the state, but with the identical political ideology and the indoctrination that demands it be regurgitated, they may as well be. The mainstream media has always leaned to the left, so bias was just something we had to account for when watching. The bias has gotten SO extreme, that it has gone light-years beyond simple bias and now has complete control of their output. This, in turn, has forced competing news networks, Fox, AON and such, to counter with more bias on their reporting, as extreme measures, demand a more extreme response. Fox, AON, Rebel News and the like, are way short of the degree of bias, but now has to address openly lying and 10K foot tall straw-man arguments and stripped context to a VASTLY larger degree than ever before. To top it off, the leftist media gas lights us all. In fact, the energy reserves that Biden opened up, were NOT for gasoline to keep cars on the road, it was to supply CNN, MSNBC and the rest of them with the fuel necessary to keep those gas lights coming!
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@friedchicken4735 .... I agree, except there WILL be problems. I am not a doctor, nor emergency person in any capacity, but there will be a time when certain injuries are going to be more life threatening, if the person hurt is male or female.
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If not life threatening, an injury may be more "quality of life" related, depending on male or female. At some point, due to mass casualty situation, plane crash or something, and an emergency respondor will have to make a snap judgement on care for an person. Based on anatomical factors, a person who "appears" to be male or female, may not get immediate enough attention and suffer needlessly as a result.
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This is all speculation on my part, but willing to bet this issue HAS come up and a less than ideal call was made in the field. This could be compounded, should an ID be an "X", "non-binary" or say "male", but actually be a pregnant female who "identifies" as male. Imagine the lawsuit that WILL happen, if a woman, who appears to be male, has the ID saying is male, but is only due to mastectomy or something.
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This has probably already happened, but it absolutely WILL at some point and creating legal documentation stating the incorrect gender of a person can have some extremely negative consequences. Those consequences will cost the reputation of an emergency responder their job, reputation and maybe a lifetime of guilt for not figuring it out sooner at the time of the emergency.
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So long as someone is a legal adult, I have zero issues with transition, but we are introducing complexities that we cannot yet imagine and legal documentation that is biologically wrong, compounds this further :(
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PS> Here's a scenario. A responder sees an "X" on ID, but MUST be sure. Is that responder to visually inspect genitalia? Imagine the lawsuit that happens when an "X" person says they were "s*** assaulted" by that responder, because they visually checked or touched them between the legs? This sounds absolutely ridiculous, but this WILL happen at some point and will be a freaking mess of a legal situation. This is all because we want people to "feel" affirmed... SMFH!
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@michaelbarker6460 ... Since this comment is not "@" anyone, I am going to figure it is to me, so will address it. It is a fair question you ask, because 100% of the people who have ever existed on this earth , does indeed have a bias. Yes. if someone says something that is true, it is and will forever be true, so to condemn both Sam and Neil as I have, is not a valid excuse to dismiss them entirely. My concern is the very obvious corruption that has forced Sam, to abandon the core values I had heard him speak about multiple times... free speech and NDT to abandon biology, to appease the WOKE cult.
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Sam recognizes that free speech is a most core value, as we cannot debate things, if someone with the ability to control the dissemination of information, has deemed someone as NOT WORTHY of free speech. Both Sam and the overwhelming number of social media and big tech platforms have done precisely that . Twitter DELETED a sitting POTUS account (Trump), due to the internal decisions they made, to "decide" that he is not worthy of free speech. They had determined that since they do not like what he said about "A", he is therefore unworthy to be heard to speak about "B". Several of the mainstream legacy news media (Maddow on MSNBC spoke of this directly) opted NOT to carry Trumps weekly, I think it was, talks with reporters, saying... [paraphrasing] .."if Trump says something of importance, we will carry the press conference". Well, talk about the GD'd frigging arrogance for MSNBC to be the SOLE arbiter of the worthiness that the world should or should not hear, what a sitting POTUS has to say! This is the epitome of hubris, yet this is totally common place and accepted practice of the vast majority of platforms.
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Gotten a bit off track, but only to show that some bias are carried to the extreme and they have the ability to KEEP people from hearing them. In the case of Sam and NDT, I have chosen to personally no longer follow anything they have to say, because the corruption of absolutely core principles have been abandoned. I have no power to stop them from sharing that information, nor would I do so had I the means. Neither are wrong about the truth they tell, but since Sam cares about free speech, until it is Trump and NDT only cares about biology, when it no longer is politically expedient to do so... I will have nothing to do with either.
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A bit long winded, as well as sidetracked, but I think that answers your question. If not, do chime back in, as I am always willing to have a good faith discussion with anyone about anything 😸
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@spk1121 ... It is not my point to be anti LGB, only that what we see today was not only predictable... but predicted. The real problem here is that the left has removed the guardrails to any and all behavior. 80% of those who watched this all unfold in the '80's, including myself, were just fine with gay rights. There were committed couples who were denied ALL kinds of legal protections of shared property, insurance coverage and the like, so that needed to be done.
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Since the stops have been removed and "feelings" are the helm, while the brake lever was tossed out the steam engine, some 10 years ago, the L's, G's and B's have allowed the T to take over and look where we are. We have and INSANELY corrupt teachers union, and the Democratic party is INFESTED with trans cult activists and the sharp turn over the gorge is ahead and the train is full speed and no brakes.
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The LGB better get its act together and kick the T out, because the T's are ACTIVELY "transing the gay away", as they are parasites! Parasites require a host and the children are the prime target. This is why we see the explosion of child drag shows and teachers indoctrinating trans on children and hiding it from parents.
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The trans activist cult is OBJECTIVELY EVIL! They ARE coming after our kids, because the LGB's let them run rough-shot through the rights THEY payed the price to aquire.
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@TheHigherVoltage ... I really don't know what you are going on about here. I never said there were no gay people or even that being gay is only a matter of choice, I said that it is not the natural order of nature, because nature has but ONE single function.... to reproduce itself. That does not disparage the L's, G's or B's, but to say that no matter how common, it is not a sustainable way to live, because we cannot successfully set out to create LGB's. What we CAN do, is project upon them, and this is called grooming! I am not saying that LGB's set out to groom, but the trans activist cult DOES! We can see this, because of "drag time story hour" and "child friendly drag shows", countless teachers on TikTok showing their pride flags, grade school libraries with a multitude of "Gender Queer" and the like books. Books that have cartoon images depicting VERY explicit acts and images of VERY adult activities.
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I don't deny that gays or trans exist. I don't deny that there is some internal drive within them that moves them this direction. What I am saying, is that the OVERWHELMING number of "trans" we seen in the last 10 years or so are in very high numbers, due to social contagion. The trans activist will say... this is because trans is more acceptable today, as there were ALWAYS this many trans, but afraid to come out". Of course, in the very next sentence, they will say..."There is a trans genocide happening due to right wing extremists".
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While you have not claimed this here, please tell me... WHERE is the evidence to support such a claim as a "trans genocide" happening? This is because there is NOT! The OVERWHELMING vast majority of trans who are killed are due to several self-inflicted means. They either were outcast for any number of reasons and on the streets sharing needles. They hook up with straight men and eventually the guy figures out he has been fooled, he freaks out and a crime of passion the trans is beaten or killed. I am not arguing that this is OK, only that if you EVER want to find a man at his most vulnerable, it is after an encounter he believes was with a female and turns out to be a guy. This is an EXPLOSIVE combination and nearly all of trans who are killed by straight people, were not done "because they are trans".. they were killed because they made a fool out of a man and he lost his sheet. Not saying that is right and not saying he should not face charges for any criminal activity. I am saying... you sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas. When men successfully pass and fool a straight guy... he is BEGGING for trouble.
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Everything else you said above is completely subjective. It is simply not possible to "measure" the female brain that has merged or otherwise grown within the male body. There are differences in size of the brain, on average and we know from 100K years that men and women "think" differently. However, we cannot plug a machine into a man, ask some questions and a machine print out.... "he has a female brain" or likewise for females. There are a BILLION factors that enter into the equation of how a male / female reacts to stimuli and I have ZERO doubt that more than a small amount is due to the creation of that brain, within the mother. However, if we look back at sociopaths, for example because criminals have been studied for hundreds of years.... the overwhelming number of them had very traumatic childhood events. Raised by an overbearing other or abusive father.
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There is no reliable test for "being gay". Whether born, and I would argue that absolutely most are... or how much is a response to that billion factors AFTER that child reaches this earth. As for trans... an EXTREMELY high number of those who identify as trans today are 100% due to social contagion. The sad thing is, that those who are NOT subject to this, I can say Blaire White and Transpa are the most commonly known on social media, I would say... have proven to be the most likely of born with more than simple gender dysphoria, but some degree of alternate-sex brain chemistry at birth. This cannot be measured and I would not discount it as real. I have no issue at all with either and have been subd to Blaire for many years now.
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My problem with 100% of this ENTIRE issue, is that children are being groomed for trans, by adults who project this upon them at a young age. Look at Jazz Jennings for the most famous example of our day. Jazz was FORCED to think he was a girl, but an absolutely EVIL mother! I don't know the roll of his father as much, but he was at the VERY LEAST, complicit and therefore guilty of the same evil. Jazz is MISERABLE and now that it has become so clear, he is not used as the high example of trans kids any longer. I have been subd, and currently moderate B-enjam-min -Boy-ce channel (disguising name, as YouTube may delete my comment) and have seen roughly 40~50 detrans and ALL of them say the same thing... they were groomed by society, internet, blogs and many by adults who projected trans upon them. By the time they see a therapist or counselor, they are so thoroughly convince of being trans... they cannot be talked out of it. I have seen many videos, Jeffery YouKnowWho is about as evil as they come, because he ACTIVELY recruits young teens to "talk in private", because "Their parents screwed up"
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I could not care less how many gays, lesbians trans in this world, so long as they keep their influence away from OUR CHILDREN!
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PS> The trans activist cult are, and I mean this in a VERY literal sense... parasites! The parasite requires a host, because it cannot reproduce and its species will die off without making more of its own kind. The trans activist has NO choice, but to find others to carry on the numbers as THIS is what nature does... continue its existence. Certainly not all trans are activists and if they just want to live their life, Blaire White and Transpa are perfect examples... right on!
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@Prognosis ... Both the "traditional" left and right are rational thinkers, when we move outward toward the edges, each becomes more and more ideologically driven. It is the ideologue, in the current context... "leftists / Progressives (Regressvies)" that are best described as a cult, because they are not outcast as radical by their own party. Anyone who only uses an ideology to frame what they say or how they act, is going to expose themselves as irrational. What the Regressive says at every opportunity, is how the alt-right is "destroying our Democracy", "wants a return to slavery" or some other such nonsense, fails to recognize is that THEY are the ones who are "alt" in today's society. The alt-right has zero influence in the conservative party, as they are outcast by the GOP. However, we cannot say the same of the Democratic party, as we have yet to see a "line" of which the left can cross, that will cause the rest to say it is too far.
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@AGJ117 ... lol... Just shows to go you how much energy I spend following her :) Well, maybe some other comments were as you described, but you were saying those in THIS thread were of that ilk. I have not appointed myself the arbiter of protecting the honor of those in this thread, but you came into it making claims of how essentially awful we are, because of double-standards or what not. What those say in this thread or outside of it, in regards to Cardi B, are of no concern, until you came in talking trash :)
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I have a perfect right to support or condemn what Nicki, Cardi B or ANYONE says about anything, without obligation to believe, respect or have opinion on ANYTHING else they may say or do and I am not sure why you care so much. I also don't care if you or anyone else supports or condemns the vaccine. For what it is worth, I have no issue whatever with the vaccine, as it has clearly saved lives and certainly many from going through what can be a mild illness to death! I have chosen not to get the vaccine, because I have not taken a vaccine for ANYTHING in about 45 years. I certainly can be a bit stubborn, so that is obviously part of it... lol, but more so because I am just not one to take medications for occasional headache, Nyquil for occasional insomnia or any other preventative medications / remedies. I don't condemn anyone who does, this is just what I have decided for myself and don't care if you or anyone else approves / condemns it. There are those who have absolutely told me straight up that I am playing with fire, in regards to Covid and my refusal to get vaccine, but this is my life :)
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If you have issues with those writing comments on this video, have at it. Just don't come into THIS one dumping vitriol as if we said those things. Kinda like the white knight analogy, because it is kinda funny, but that is not why I pushed back against you. I am one who happens to believe in "intellectual honesty". I am NOT saying you do or don't, but just how I conduct myself and when I get accused or seemingly so, of something I have said or done that is incorrect, I speak up about it.
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To be clear, I have no problem with you and you can be critical all you like. Just if you are gonna criticize me... betta bring receipts :)
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Peace, AG :)
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@JohnCarterRocks ... OMG, he said that SOME were those things, because one who wants to cross the border ILLEGALLY may be hiding from something. If you cannot be intellectually honest with your arguments, you will ultimately fail to even convince your self at some point. Love how you keep declaring yourself the "winner" of a conversation, when a conversation is what I am trying to have. You know, when two people who have not only different ideas, but unquestionably have knowledge that the other does not possess. See, this is why one person talks to another. I will always assume that another person knows something I don't, because this is undeniably true. No question this is true of each of us, yet your goal is not to find out what I think and WHY I think it... it is your goal to "win" the exchange.
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How sad this is, as you are not open to learn anything from this exchange, you just keep thinking that calling me a "lightweight" is going to convince me your argument is sound. Well, I got news for you, Christos.... it does not convince me of anything whatsoever.
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Keep hitting that 👍on your own comments, as one day it may get another 🐱
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YOUTUBE EMPLOYEE.... AGAIN YOU SIMPLY HIDE MY COMMENT, RATHER THAN HAVE THE CONVICTION TO JUST DELETE IT. YOU THINK YOU ARE FOOLING ME, BUT YOU ARE NOT.....THIS IS SAD!
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YOUTUBE EMPLOYEE.... LOOK AT HOW PARANOID YOU ARE THAT I WILL SAY SOMETHING YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH. YOU ARE DELETING 90% OF MY COMMENTS THAT HAVE LITERALLY ZERO TO DO WITH ANY OF THE WORDS I HAVE SAID... ONLY THAT I HAVE SAID WORDS. YOU CONTINUE TO BE A COWARD, WHO FEELS THE NEED TO REMOVE MY WORDS, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO ENGAGE WITH THEM. DOES NOT MATTER WHAT I SAY, YOU DELETE MY COMMENTS BY DEFAULT! YOUTUBE HAS NEVER ONE TIME SENT ME A NOTIFICATION OF TOS VIOLATION, YET YOU HAVE OPTED TO HIDE BEHIND AN ALGORITHM AND SUPPRESS MY VOICE. WELL, AS I HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO TELL YOU... REMOVING MY COMMENTS DOES ABSOLUTELY (SIZE 2 BILLION FONT) ..."ZERO" TO CHANGE MY OPINION OR MY MIND. YOU JUST CONTINUE TO HIDE BEHIND COMPUTER CODE, RATHER THAN STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND YOU WILL SELF RESPECT. IF YOU CANNOT DEFEAT MY IDEAS WITH YOUR OWN, YOU ARE A COWARD.
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GO AHEAD AND DELETE MY COMMENTS, I WILL STILL MAKE THEM ANYWAY.
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@iuvalclejan ... Yes, this is the case, but it goes MUCH farther than that. Example: Were you to say Barack Obama on at least two channels I sub, your comment will be removed. Those words would NEVER be removed, were they in a positive light, but if one were to say ..."I love Barack Obama", within a comment on either of those two creators... POOF!
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This is due to each being very critical of said person, so the aglo is written specifically for these two channels to remove ANY comment with those two words, because the algo was written to "assume" any and all references to that person's name will be negative or critical.
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I could go on with a TON more of what I have learned, by virtue of having conservative values on social media, but the algo also looks for those who say how the sausage is made.
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@iuvalclejan .. Sorry.... I blurted out the "Conversion Therapy" banner, but failed to make it clear.. my bad 😿
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I figure you already know what Conversion Therapy is, so will get to how it relates to the podcast I was moderating yesterday. The guest was speaking largely about the WPATH files recently released and how the doctors there were discussing things the overwhelming number of us were concerned about, but denied was the case for years. Because the guest of the podcast, was sharing information that is NOT welcome here, it is my assumption, that somebody saw this "in progress" podcast in their recommends, opened it up, was ideologically opposed to what the guest was saying, so reported the podcast to YouTube.
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YouTube then applies that banner just below video and above the description for all to see. We are VERY familiar with the "CDC one for Covid", "Jan. 6th insurrection" BS and there are a few others. Never seen a "Conversion Therapy" prior, but had a single sentence that says the following..." The Trevor Project: Conversion therapy refers to a range of dangerous and discredited practices aimed at changing one’s sexual orientation or gender identity or expression."
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This topic nor these words were ever mentioned on the podcast, yet this banner is a "threat" to the creator he / she is getting close to unacceptable content and seeking to create bias and or fear, in a user who sees the video, as if the content were promoting or recommending it. Truly vile such a thing was done, but such is life as a wrong-thinker on this platform.
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Yes. I am aware of multiple means to disguise my words, but of course, none of them are because of threats, cursing or calls for [bad+things+people], but rather just those things we cannot say because protected class feelings. I have been reminded of the "sort" button again and how it is used to DIRECTLY shadow-ban comments and how many of mine I have been able to see, that I was POSITIVE were removed. Of course, the default setting is "Top Comments", when it is "New Comments" that displays those hidden comments. Even within the replies of a thread, comments reappear with this setting.
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I now moderate 5 channels, as YouTube has banned me from chat rooms in EVERY ONE, except those I moderate. This drove me to actually ask 2 creators to make me moderator, JUST so I can be seen in chat room. Most others that work initially (open "Participants" 3 dots above chat window) I will be listed for about 10 minutes and... POOF! While I can still see all looks normal, refresh the page, check participants and I am no longer listed. 90% of my regular comments are auto-removed, because I am on the radar.
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In addition to blocking my being seen in chat, YouTube ALSO, removes ALL of my chats that have scrolled up off the window, once I have been blocked. So, unless one scrolls up to previous chats and LOOKS for me, they will never even know I was present. I am pretty sure this translates to the chat replay as well, but not sure. I have a Wordpad mapped to my "F4" key, so I back up EVERY comment that comes within 500 miles of wrong-think, in the event I refresh and... POOF! I can encrypt and try again. I have several threads going right now, where the person pressing [you know what thinking] replies to me directly and when I retort... POOF! This makes it appear I am ducking after someone "owned me".
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Very frustrating to be here.
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@jamessammons1831 …. No, James, that is not why. If the liberals treated conservatives with even the most moddest amount of respect and not simply the least generous interpretation imaginable, conservatives would be happy to go on any show.
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Just a couple weeks ago, The View asked DeSantis to appear, but the garden tools on that show have repeatedly called him “DeathSantis” a white supremacist, racist and every possible slur they can say on broadcast TV.
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I follow approx. 20 conservative / libertarian creators and ALL of them will be more than happy to have a respectable conversation, but the leftist cult will go after ANYONE on the left, who dare appear on a conservatives platform.
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Conservatives are happy to go on just about any platform, but much less willing, with those who call them white supremacists and racists, because they are not interested in conversation, they simply want to bash treat them like crap and then cut up clips that are stripped of context, in order to feed the trolls on Twitter
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Conservatives have learned that lesson and will ONLY do live appearances, when they also have the rights to the stream. At least that way, when the cult cuts up out of context clips, they are FAR less likely to get away with that BS.
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@Ottz ... Dave is, after all, a classic liberal, as he likes to say. Hell, while I am conservative, only moderately so and most of my values are that of liberal, just not as the "Regressives" formulate them. I don't know anything about the specific area Dave and his husband moved into, but he wanted to get the hell out of Comifornia. While he may be in a more liberal area of Florida, I will take your word on that, he is most as assuredly OUT of the hell-hole that is leftist consumed L.A. area.
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After all, it would only further divide us all if we LITERALLY lived in an area of people who feel identical as we do. We don't need any more echo chambers :(
Peace, Ottz :)
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@ottz2506 ... There was probably the consideration of how people will respond to him holding his husbands hand in public, but that is just part and parcel of being gay on this planet. Just because someone takes a long stare or disagrees with the way he lives his life, does NOT mean that he will be treated any less poorly by all. Some will, sure... because we have 330M+ people in this country and not all of them are going to accept a person being anything but straight and go to church every Sunday morning.
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Who knows exactly ALL of the reasons Dave moved to the local he chose. Maybe he just likes the area... maybe it is close to a school he likes, because he has talked of bringing a child into his life at some point. Maybe he has some friends that live in the area and this was the perfect residence to not only live, but build the home studio he really wants to continue his podcasts. Whatever the reason, I am not going to break it all down to find some hidden ulterior motive in which to ascribe some hidden agenda or nefarious intent for him choosing to live in this particular part of Florida or attempt to slide under the radar of those who would not approve of his being gay. Besides, why does this have to be a "deep red" or "deep blue" issue?
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He now lives in FL and under a governor who does not want to control his life, but rather leave it to his own decision. That means, Dave & Dave can continue with a life style they more or less had, prior to the sweep of authoritarian rule not only accepted by far, far, FAR too many people in Comifornia, but actively sought by those who hold the reins of power there.
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After having seen a few videos of Dave from FL, I can see that it agrees with him and am as happy as I can be for his new found joy in living. I will not look upon his move and apply some deceit or attempt to lie to those in his subscriber base, it seems as though YOU do, but rather as what was best for him and his husband :)
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@robertmcdougall1144 …. No, I disagree.
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There is certainly is a lack of understanding of historical events, but it is not with the vast majority of Americans. Clearly, in the years Gen Z was in public school, the only thing in which they were indoctrinated, was the evils and sins of the Western World.
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They know Hitler was an evil fascist, but have absolutely no understanding of how or why he came to be that way or why so many people were willing to follow his plans for conquest.
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They were only taught that slavery was was not made a violation of Constitutional rights and never the reasons why.
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In the end, Gen Z and beginning sometime earlier, the ability to critically think and apply nuance to an argument was never realized, because the Marxists want soldiers (activists) to do their bidding. They have stepped up their game, so as to go directly at separation of child from parent to child of the community.
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What better way to destroy the nuclear family and to teach children that there are no fundamental differences between males and females? This whole trans thing, is nothing more than a tool to capture the minds of youth 🙁
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One more thought, here....
The words being spoken by Mr. Hughes cannot be said by a white person. I agree with him completely, but there is no way in hell, I could say the same thing in the same way and not be called a racist. The obvious argument, would be that, since I am a white guy, I could not possibly understand what it is like to live as a black guy..... true. The crazy thing is, that what Mr. Hughes is saying is not racist, but rather racial. There is no way a white guy could articulate such a distinction, as a riot would break out as soon as the host announced the topic of discussion. So, it would be impossible to sustain such a conversation at all in any public forum, as I would get shouted down with RACIST!
However, when a black man says these things in this way..... he is called a RACIST!
So, the only way to have this conversation, is an independent online debate for a YouTube / podcast audience. Since this conversation would never make it past the producers of a mainstream tv broadcast, it won't be heard there. Unfortunately, it won't
be heard by nearly as many people as it should, because the far left will do everything in its power to block its being heard. This is because, THEY want to be the ones to say they are against racism, but are a main contributor to its continued existence.
Pretty fucking sad, dontcha think?
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This thread has produced 133 replies and just like the current state of politics has become tribal and lost focus: My OP:
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Ben is orthodox Jew. Completely opposed to gay marriage, yet good friends with Dave Ruben who has a husband. The Leftist claim tolerance, but would NEVER befriend a conservative
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Let's break this down, shall we?:
1. Ben is an orthodox Jew : This orthodoxy simply put does not accept a person being gay as a sexual relationship is to be between a man & woman
2. Completely opposed to gay marriage : We could pick this apart, but is a simple way to say that Ben has issues with two members of the same sex engaging in sexual conduct. ....Now, regardless of specific language used or semantics I used, it is a simple way to explain that the "human being" Ben Shapiro has some major issues with gay relationships.
3. yet good friends with Dave Ruben who has a husband : What is "good friends"? we all define differently, suffice to say, they are 100% cordial and here Ben is at
....Dave's house having a pleasant conversation about politics and social issues. Those issues are completely intertwined and the conversation takes no issue with Dave being gay
....or Ben having an issue "making a cake" or "going to his wedding". Those are not relevant issues here, as neither Dave nor Ben define their friendship over who they have sexual
....relationships with. Ben has said that he would be happy to have Dave and his husband over to the Shapiro home for dinner, but his religious doctrine precludes him from going to
....a wedding between a same sex couple. I personally define this as "good friends", but describe it however you like.
4. The Leftist claim tolerance : This is where much of this thread has broken down, IMO. The term "leftist" is a common term that is used to describe a politically left leaning person
....who is on the far end of that political spectrum and often referred to as "progressive". The term "progressive" is supposed to be a positive one and meaning forward thinking and
....accepting society as it has become and outside of the "conservative" definition of how that society should be built. The accepted conservative definition of society is built on
....what is derived from the bible. This is a basic reference to the era in which the Ten Commandments were written.
5. _ but would NEVER befriend a conservative_ : The term "leftist" or use "progressive" if you like, is certainly a derogatory term, as "Progressives" continually say they are "inclusive"
....of ALL people. Gay, black, white, trans... you name it. The SJW is using the basic principles of the Democratic or liberal party, but twisting it into what can ONLY be described as
.... a cult. The SJW has taken to redefining a shit-ton of words, but let's just focus on "racism". Since I am referring to the SJW in this part of my OP, this is where much of this
....conversation has gone astray, IMO. Racism does NOT mean "power + privilege". This is a complete lie, as it means to judge one based on his / her race and deem that race as
....inferior or superior because of their race. THAT is the basic definition of "racism" and how the world has defined it for 10,000 years. That definition is used by the SJW to define
....nearly every single person who has ANY disagreement with it's ideology and deem that person as "racist". This term is interchanged with "white supremacist" "homophobic"
...."xenophobic" and all other descriptive words that tell the listener, "this person has very narrow views of society and intolerant of one who does not follow the teachings of the
....bible" Simply put, as I am not a religious scholar :) While the SJW keeps using terms of "inclusive", they and those I describe as "leftist", have ZERO tolerance for Ben Shapiro,
....because they just put him into the box of "evil". There is no conversation allowed in the world of and SJW, you either believe 100% of what they say or you are a "racist" and so
....on. The SJW has also deemed Dave Rubin as all of those terms, because he has merely associated with people OUTSIDE of who the SJW deems as acceptable. Acceptable is
....ONLY defined by the SJW and is re-defined continuously based on the moment. The SJW cannot be called "tolerant' as Dave Rubin has been deemed an evil person, because he
....associates with people who are not SJW's. I could pick apart and destroy SJW cult, but since I would offer disagreement to the conversation, "cancellation" is the only answer.
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Now, what I have done in the above is freaking RIDICULOUS, yet many in this thread have gone WAY beyond what was said or meant with the original post. Ben and Dave have many significant political differences and one very distinct one, that have traditionally precluded a conversation like we see in the above video. However, they are having that conversation, because they can see beyond those differences and work toward a common goal. The SJW or leftist will NEVER discuss anything with either of these men, because they don't "bend the knee" to the whims of SJW cult. That makes the self-proclaimed "inclusive and tolerant" SJW, exactly the opposite. If you DON'T think SJW is a cult, just take a look at the "peaceful" protesters who want to KILL every police officer in this country... no exceptions.. they are all deemed EVEL... period!
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@beesdontlikeit You are not listening to me :) I have given you a VERY clear definition of whom I am referring and by the definition I am using. There is a clear distinction between "Left" and "leftist". Now, you may not agree with that distinction and it appears that you don't, but that is 100% fine. However, having made that distinction to frame my position, it is a failed argument on your part to conflate the two so as to support your assertion that I am generalizing the left...that is pure BS.
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I follow ALL media, but do my best to avoid propaganda. That is EXTREMELY difficult, when one consumes CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo and most mainstream media, as they have become left-leaning bias to an absolutely absurd degree. I have no issue with media that has a biased point of view, as it is not possible to avoid bias, as we all have them about varying things. However, when the bias of ANY news organization has become so accepting that it becomes the "facts" of an event, that is when I can no longer follow, because the reporting has no objectivity remaining.
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If I had the time or inclination, I could LINK for you a thousand articles of pure garbage passed as "fact" by leftist new organizations (see "leftist" as I define in earlier comment), but I will give to you one that perfectly describes how widespread and bad it gets.... "Covington kids". The media intentionally and will extreme malice, painted those kids, and most specifically, Nick Sandmann as a racist and bigot.
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I don't fear a "boogyman" in leftist media, I fear those who believe the trash they sell is true!
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@mellowtron214 ... Well, we are getting more into discussing semantics and that can only lead us astray... lol
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Yes, we are speaking in "general" terms here. There are most certainly exceptions to EVERYTHING any of us have said in this thread. But, we are all adults and to constantly qualify every single statement with.... "I am generalizing here and don't speak for 100% of all who consider themselves FILL IN THE BLANK politically affiliated" is, or rather should be beneath the level of discourse we are having here.
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Yes... I am thankful that the extreme die-hard leftists are a "minority", when it comes to actual numbers. But, when we look out the window or see the events unfolding all over this nation and most specifically, Portland, we can see that minority is on 100% full attack against EVERYTHING upon which this country was built. The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, The Declaration of Independence and The Ten Commandments are under MAJOR ASSAULT and this cannot possibly be denied by ANY person who actually sees what is happening in this nation.
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While they are a minority, they have nearly full support of mainstream media, those in academia, Democratic mayors / city leaders and the Democratic party. There are certainly MANY in each of those groups who are VERY MUCH OPPOSED to what BLM, Antifa and others are doing, they are absolutely SILENT! They are silent because they are either spineless or in the vast majority of cases, fear retribution by the outrage mob on Twitter. We saw only last week that the NYT's was planning to run an article exposing the town in which Tucker Carlson lives. We absolutely know that such information will be read by supporters of BLM and Antifa and begin to track down the specifics of where Tucker Carlson lives. They will absolutely and without shadow of a doubt, search public documents of town records and figure out his home address. Antifa and or BLM will without question show up at his house and threaten him and his family, because they disagree with his politics. This is a fear tactic and the leftists have no issue stooping to this level.
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While there are a handful of those on the alt-right who would do something similar, they are nowhere near the numbers of those on the left they would be 100% denounced by the GOP. We cannot say this about the Dem's or mainstream media.
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Now, you and I are very likely in agreement about nearly all of this and most likely you did not me to say all of the above. However, there are many in this thread who would say that I am "fear mongering" or "an alt-right extremist", but I am neither of these things. I am a libertarian / moderate conservative who 100% believes in the founding principles of the democratic party. From there, we will differ in many ways politically, but I want us ALL to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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@QueenJneeuQ I guess to this one specific instance, that word would be applicable to some. I, however, wont use that word, because it is to all encompassing a term, IMO.
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Every single person reading this has bias or preference in one way or another about something. You may be 100% fine with gay and lesbian, but take issue with someone going through transition surgery. Does that make you a bigot or just having a line of which you no longer approve. To me, I draw the line of "bigot" in terms of how one feels or treats the subject in question. If you were as I described above, but did not "hate" or show anger / malice toward someone who transitioned, but rather just did not approve, would that make you a bigot...? to me it would not. I see bigotry as in malice or hatred in ones heart, not disagreement on how another makes life choices.
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Such terms are too broad and is one of my biggest issues with the SJW cult. The thinking, as evidenced by countless attacks on social media, cancellations and absolutely vile assaults of both physical and psychological attacks on someone for disagreement is insane. Earlier in this thread I used the former Democratic Pete Buttigieg as an example of how the "gay community" (SJW's who have decided they speak for LGBTQ people) said he was not "gay enough" to run for president. Imagine that... the first openly gay person to EVER run for the office of president and he was "cancelled".
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Was this the act of self-righteous activists who are 100% convinced they know what is best for the "gay community" or bigotry? It was damned sad, that is for sure :(
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@lik-- I am not sure who you are asking, but since I am probably offering the most detailed opinions, I will try to answer :)
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In terms of preaching tolerance, I have to assume you are speaking of those on the left or Democratic party and I would completely agree with that assessment. Tolerance is not even REMOTELY what any of the BLM, SJW or Antifa crowds practice and very little in the Democratic party, for that matter. Most of these groups, say BLM and Antifa, will absolutely say they are tolerant.. but the are absolutely NOT.
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Tolerance to the SJW means you tow 100% of the party line and they will "tolerate" you as a member of the cult. However, if you are 99.9% in line with all that is proclaimed by the SJW (for the moment we will ignore how those ideas change constantly), and you go against the doctrine publicly... you will very likely be on the receiving end of the outrage mob on Twitter and all social media. That mob will contact your employer, places you shop or visit and doxx your personal information as punishment for speaking out against the collective.
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What I have said above is 100% accurate and has happened countless times to creators I follow and personalities I admire on line. In any context, the SJW cult is EVIL!
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@colmodwyer9352 .. maybe he does, but it is his right to feel that way. Just as it is your right to be for that marriage. The idea of 1a and freedom in general, is to see that ALL rights are observed and protected. Since many, including Ben, believe the fundamental function of marriage is to procreate and two same-sex people cannot possibly do this, he is opposed to it. He does not want gay people to die, be sent to jail or re-education camps to "be straight", he just doesn't agree with gay relationships. As mentioned earlier, I have zero issues with gay relationships or marriage, but I respect his right to disagree with me and I am a Ben Shapiro fan and sub his channel :)
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EDIT: I believe that the biggest hurdle here is the word "marriage". Since marriage is spoke of in the bible and in the context of a man and woman, that SPECIFIC word has a vastly spiritual meaning and goes back what, 10K years? The crux of this argument for a HUGE swath of religious persons, is the use of "marriage" in the biding of two same sex persons. One can argue that gays have a right to marriage, but since that word is so integrated into the bible and its teachings, it really cannot be separated. Many see the term "marriage" as a religious bond and hence many are just not going to approve of "gay marriage".
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We can fight about this for the next 10K years and ONLY way most churches are gonna be OK with this, is if a word other than "marriage" is used to bind a same sex couple. Call that unfair if you like, but you are pushing against 10K years of those who follow some version of the bible and good luck trying to change their minds.
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@matthewdavis3014
A. you do understand their are exceptions to every rule, right?
B. The definition I am using for "leftist" may differ from yours. The "leftist", often called an SJW and I agree with that assessment, is also sometimes called a progressive. I personally use it as a derogatory term for an EXTREME left-leaning person who is entirely incapable of thinking outside of the cult. The cult says that you can be all for LGBTQ, but if say the following... "A woman is a biological female and a man cannot become a biological female" and you are "denying trans peoples right to exist". That statement is 100% fact, BTW.
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If you believe a man CAN become a biological female or argue is NO difference between a male and female, you are a "leftist" as defined above. I have defined it in earlier comments within this thread as well. If you also are friends with a conservative, I have a couple things to add. You are the exception to the rule and you had better not go on Twitter and admit this to your circle of friends. It has been well documented that even commenting on a thread of a conservative, will make you guilty by association and likely get the outrage mob to target you for cancellation. If that sounds harsh, you are damned right it is harsh and I know of plenty of people who were convicted of "wrong think" by the SJW or "leftist" and been assaulted, harassed, had their place of employment bombarded with messages and phone calls saying that person is a racist and lost their jobs. They have been doxed and otherwise been VERY badly financially harmed, because of political disagreement with the SJW. The SJW cult is pure EVIL and it knows only how to destroy and nothing about actually sitting down with opposing points of view and discussing possible compromise or understanding of the nuance or context in a given argument.
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However, if you are willing to "openly affiliate" with a conservative and you have multiple pronouns in the bio of your social media accounts, you had better not invite that person to your like minded friends house for dinner... lol
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NOTE: Conservative: Not someone who is slightly to the right of Nancy Pelosi, but a moderate conservative, such as Ben Shapiro. Anyone who thinks Ben Shapiro is Alt-right... is most definitely a leftist
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@Player_Review ... There is a lot to unpack there, but will give it a go :)
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Yes, the idea of "tolerance" was absolutely omitted from the WOKE handbook, as was discussion, debate, conversation or acceptance of ANY view other than its own. I do see the SJW ideology as not only a cult, but it is absolutely EVIL! The moderate Dem's, and their certainly are, have no spine, because they are afraid to speak up against the outrage mob. Even the very left leaning Nancy Pelosi stood up against the squad initially and said she would NOT attempt impeachment of Trump, as their was ZERO bi-partisan support and such an act would be very divisive for the nation. She was absolutely correct, but caved because she is weak.
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Then, Pelosi went serious for impeachment 2 more times while STILL having nothing to stand on, except Orange Man Bad and the Dem's forced a vote. Everybody with a microscopic brain knew it was gonna fail, but they just want a black mark on Trump. This leads us to everything else the Dem's are doing. They have NO strategy for anything, they just want to hurt Trump, so they resort to the most insanely petty BS imaginable and just keep throwing everything, including the kitchen sink up against the wall to see what sticks.
Well, nothing has stuck, but that doesn't stop them and THIS leads us into mainstream media.
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I would argue that the mainstream media is 100% as evil as the SJW, but in many ways they are even worse. Since they back 100% of ANYTHING the Dem's do or say, it has emboldened them to go for impeachment like 6 times (3 times quite serious) and keep looking for that one thing to "stick" on the wall. We have heard the Dem's call Pres. Trump a racist, white nationalist, xenophobe, bigot, sexist and literally every single negative slur they can think of, yet offer ZERO to substantiate any of it. Well, they may be able to make a case for being a lousy husband or objectify women, but unfortunately, that is all too common with very rich and powerful men... sad, but true.
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The thing is, one cannot find evidence of racism and all the rest, because THERE IS NONE! They take EVERYTHING he ever says out of context and lie about everything else. Hell, I could go on for about 200 more paragraphs, but my computer will run out of ink before I get them all down.... lol
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The GOP is every bit as weak as the moderate Democrats and Trump is the ONLY thing between BLM, Antifa, the SJW's, the Demoncrats, big tech, all social media and the mainstream mediocre... did I forget anybody? The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, The Declaration of Independence and Ten Commandments are under FULL ASSAULT right now. Trump is the last line of defense before it is all destroyed by the leftist being allowed, even supported by many people in VERY powerful positions. If he loses in November, this country will absolutely go to full gun fighting in the streets civil war. There are what, 200m fire arms owned by American citizens and like 12 quantillion rounds of ammo and the 2a members of this country, WILL take a stand against socialism. Socialism is what the leftist wants and I would rather be dead than live under a socialist America.
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@goldenremnant2610 ... Maybe a just a tiny bit hyperbolic and generalizing, but I would agree with your overall assessment :)... (psst... I have done my share of both in this thread...lol). Reading your closing line is spectacular and is an absolutely BRILLIANT piece of writing.
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Earlier in this thread, I was talking with Melissa Gannon (3 days ago and probably 100 replies into this thread) and she said something that I took to be a bit cynical and called it out. She replied and we broke it down a bit and we had a nice exchange over the course of a few comments. In one of those comments, I told her something to the effect that when I see something "bad azz", was the term I used, I said I would most certainly repeat it to others.
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However, I failed to mention I would give credit to those others, because I won't plagiarize someones work, as I think that is unkind. I am going to copy / paste your last lines there and share them on Unsafe Space in the chat room. I mod there and those words speak exactly to the sentiment of all who are saddened by the political discourse we see today. We all want to engage in dialog and seek solutions to what is so troubling to so many, but as your words so purrfectly said, those that speak the evil that is progressive SJW ideology... they see themselves as above discourse, because they are the righteous ones.
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PS> See what I did there? :)
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@InqvisitorMagnvs ... What in the hell are you talking about? I am not here saying that gay people have not had a very difficult time getting to where the are today, in terms of acceptance. Nor am I making excuses for anyone who treated gays so poorly at any point in history. What I am saying is that we, as humans have evolved over time and the overwhelming majority got over the bigotry and hatred of gay people and we as a nation are much better off for it. Are there still some who don't like gays...? Absofreakinglutely! we have 330+m people in America and you will NEVER see it bigotry, racist, white nationalist, homophobic or xenophobic 100% free as a nation.. EVER. Guess what, people are free to hate gay people all they want, they are just not allowed to physically assault them or discriminate against them, based on being gay. Will some find a way around that and still not hire them for a job or fire them if they discover they are gay..? YES! Some people are just NEVER going to be OK with gay people and that is just not going to change.
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What I am getting out of the @InqvisitorMagnvs statement is what I hear from the SJW's as an argument to "cancel" a person or group. Since at one point the GOP were VERY much anti-gay in nearly all ways, so was a massive amount of Democrats, libertarians, communists, socialists and fascists at one point. The SJW will argue that since this is the case, any such "group" who was anti-gay, is forever guilty by association and is therefore irredeemable. Guess what, Trump is the VERY FIRST president to ever enter office and be pro-gay marriage on the day he was inaugurated. That's right... Obama, Clinton and 100% of every president that America has ever had, was ANTI gay marriage when they entered the White House.
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The vast majority of people in ALL of the groups I mentioned above, have come to understand what the gay people were saying from the start. They are just like everyone else, they just happen to be romantically attracted to persons of their own sex. One of the often irrational fears we possess as human creatures, is to fear what we don't understand. That fear has historically caused people to respond in ways that seemed rational at the time to most, but many times proved to be wrong as we came to know or understand what it was that we feared so badly. Those who are not gay, including myself, simply cannot understand what it is like to be gay and that "unknown" was enough to instill an irrational fear in far too many people and the gay community payed dearly for it. The acceptance of gay people has come LIGHT YEARS from those early days and some of it was triggered by AIDS, as it was killing people and they were nearly all in the gay community. We don't hear about AIDS much at all anymore, but I remember the fear of not knowing ANYTHING about it, except that those who got it died a very slow and painful death. That fear made it MUCH worse for the gay community, as it created a trigger response of survival in much of America.
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This is not a "GOP" thing... a "Democrat" thing or an "any" thing other than a psychological response to an irrational fear of something we just don't really understand as straight people. If you ask evolutionary biologist, they will tell you that such instincts were born of early man who had to hide from animals in caves to avoid being lunch. Those instincts are STILL within us and cause us to respond in ways that later prove to be irrational. In the early days of man, not taking EXTREME caution, could very well cost you your life. The survival instinct is built in our DNA and you can blame our creator for that one.
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I am not excusing anyone for perpetuating hate against gay people, just saying that humans are far from perfect, but we have grown as a people. While Ben is a associated with the GOP, he was not in political power looking to deny rights to gay people when Reagan was president. While he is "less tolerant" than many, he is a HELL of a lot more accepting of gays than the vast majority of people 50 years ago.
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@PayNoTax-GetNoVote .... Re: the 1A comment: I don't really don't know what you are trying to convey here. But, I will say the following... 1a is unquestionably, undoubtedly and without the most microscopic split second of hesitation the most important right we have as American citizens... PERIOD! Before anyone says that 2a is more important, think of it this way. Without 1a, we would not be able to argue for 2a and that would be that. In the current state of this country, 1a is under absolute assault, by those that use mob tactics to instill fear of exercising that right.
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If we as a people don't want to lose 1a, we must FIGHT for it. We should not have to do so, but with the treasonous Marxists, communists and socialists that are very much attempting to take over government, we will ABSOLUTELY lose that right as the very first thing to go. Socialism has only one true enemy... freedom of speech!
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@tolstoyed yes and and no. I would agree that being gay is not a decision, but party affiliation is more akin to how one legislatively supports their values. Those values are generally instilled by parents, other family members and close friends as one grows up. There are certainly some changes to those values due to events in one's life, but I would say the most basic values one has are quite universal.
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I would add that Conservatives and Democrats have traditionally shared very similar values, but as mentioned above, the difference is best identified by how one feels those values should be expressed or written into legislation. After all, the purpose of government is to write and enforce laws to protect its citizens. Creating / supporting an infrastructure of roads, police, fire stations and the like is something that a conservative would be MUCH more likely to argue is enough than a Democrat which, as I go on, will become more clear. However, this is where the significant differences lie within the Republican and Democratic parties.
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I am going to be quite general here, but I could go back and site a huge number of times when the following was found to be true. Let's take "Affirmative Action" as a VERY good example. The idea, in its conception, was a really good one and would argue that the vast majority of GOP would agree with that statement. The difference between Conservatives and Democrats on this point has become VERY clear over the years since it was implemented. There was most certainly a time when a very large portion of America was bigoted against blacks. While there certainly are still some that feel this way (we have 330+ million people here), those numbers have dropped INSANELY since the civil rights laws of the sixties were enacted. However, there comes a time when one must remove the "training wheels" and ride that bike with the risk of falling.
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Affirmative Action today, has become a limitation that is HURTING blacks... YES, it is most definitely hurting blacks. When we as a people continue to support or make laws that say to someone "you need my help to make it in this world, so we are not going to remove those training wheels". At what point do those training wheels prohibit the rider of that bike to becoming a contestant in the X-Games? A: as soon as one is able to ride that bike without them! If you don't give somebody the opportunity to fail and protect them with the "security" of training wheels, they will NEVER, EVER, EVER reach their potential, because those training wheels are indeed holding them back.
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If I was to continually remind you, that "you need my help because the the world is against you", you create a person who will ultimately rely on that help and come to feel he or she will absolutely fail without it. So, over the many, many years of Affirmative Action, we get excuses from both blacks that have not been as successful as desired and Democrats that will point to those training wheels and say.... "See.... this is why we need to add an additional set of training wheels to offer more help". If you ever want to crush the human spirit, tell that person you will NEVER make it on your own without my help!
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This becomes a circular argument and we have the perpetuation of "help" and one cannot be inspired by success and grab opportunities to achieve ones dreams. If ANYONE has continually had a "safety net", at what point does that person feel he or she has been a success and feel a sense of pride in their own accomplishments? After all, what is so impressive about a tight-rope walker crossing a wire 1000 feet off the ground, were it not for the possibility that he or she would ABSOLUTELY die, should even the smallest mistake be made and fall from that wire?
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We can all say what an incredible act of balance and concentration, but if there was a safety net below and that tight-rope walker could not possibly be harmed by falling, exactly how much pride will he or she feel to make it to the opposite building and how many of us would be impressed by such success...? pretty much none!
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@DrMackSplackem ... It is trouble for all of us! America was founded upon the idea of discourse and debate, to resolve disagreement. There have been 2 fundamental changes that have taken root of society and they are coming from the political left, but instigated by the Marxist cult. The first is a wholesale abandoning of even the most basic values that act as a glue to hold a society together. The second is the steadfast refusal to engage in good faith discussion / debate to resolve our differences.
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There are many examples, but one that is at the heart of a split in the Democrats and GOP is the issue of abortion. There has always been a rift on this issue, but the common "value" we all shared, was "safe, legal and rare". There were some, even many, on the farther right, who have and always will be pro-life in nearly if not all circumstances. Those people have always voiced that opinion, but it has and is still shared by a number of states. While they have always voiced this position, from a federal position, the "safe, legal and rare" model was doable, though far from what they wanted. Now, we have the far left (MarxistCrats) who have quite literally taken over the Democratic party, over the last 8 years or so. These are the counter to those on the far right, who have also abandoned "safe, legal and rare" to adopt... "on demand". While there are certainly fewer numbers of the on-demand supporters than pro-life absolutists, it seems to come from a position of spite for most.
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This leads us to the steadfast refusal to engage issue. Why it is the Democratic party has chosen "trans" to be the hill they ABSOLUTELY want to die on, is beyond comprehension. Back in the '80's, I saw this movement and was for gay rights. The LGB's did not want ANY special rights, just basic ones afforded to us all. They wanted legal rights, as a long-term man / woman would have, in the event of hospital visits / decisions and insurance, but the second was marriage. I understand that the term "marriage" is CRITICAL for most on both sides, but since the term "marriage" is well defined in the Bible, there are those on the moderate right who will always oppose that term, being applied to same-sex couples. Again, I understand why the term "marriage" is so attractive / appealing, but imagine how much smoother this would have all gone if some other word was willing to be used. The term "marriage" is so connected to the Bible and those on the right, this will NEVER be a compromise that the GOP will embrace.
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I don't want to to any farther off the path, but you get the point. Hotez will NOT discuss / debate his ideas, because he considers his opinion to be morally superior, so to even debate them is to be beneath him! I do get the "debate" aspect of it, as Mehdi Hassan is excellent at debate, but only because he uses an approach that is in EXTREMELY bad faith. He wrote a book titled "How To Win Every Argument". Imagine the self-righteousness of one to think that he / she has the right opinion 100% of the time? Imagine the arrogance of holding an opinion that CANNOT be influenced by any argument or introduction of facts, logic or information.
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THAT is the definition of the MarxistCrat and why this is trouble for us all! Those who feel such a way have COMPLETELY taken over the Democratic party and are completely consumed by the idea that the are 100% firmly and totally on "the right side of history". We have seen it countless times when senators are posing questions that expose the extreme cognitive dissonance of leftists and like a broken record, they simply repeat the dogma.
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A national divorce will NEVER work, because any agreement that would stand the test of time, requires "good faith". The MarxistCrat who WILL drive the Democrats decisions to the extreme left will not have equal numbers on the extreme right, so compromise would be impossible. The marxistCrat will NOT compromise on anything, so it is simply not possible to negotiate in good faith.
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..... welcome to Hotez who hides behind people like Hassan to protect him from defending his ideas.
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