Comments by "" (@psychcowboy1) on "Do I Believe in God, COVID Totalitarianism & the Climate | Jordan Peterson | POLITICS | Rubin Report" video.
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@oerjanlothe2369 The entire GQ interview. Were there any Peterson wins? Here are a couple of Helen wins, starting at like 41:00.
1. Helen: It works in two different ways, it makes lobsters more aggressive and it makes humans less aggressive.'
Peterson interrupting: No that's not right, it makes humans less aggressive...It makes a lobster more likely to fight again.'
[uh Whoops Jordan. She agreed with you that serotonin makes humans less aggressive, and she is wrong... for agreeing with you? Lobsters that want to fight are not displaying aggression? Fighting isn't aggression? The relevant paper is called Serotonin and Aggression Motivation in Crustaceans, concluding that serotonin makes lobsters adopt aggressive postures...SCORE: Helen 1, Jordan 0]
2."I chose lobsters, the reason I made that argument was to put paid to the absurd Marxist proposition that hierarchical structures are a secondary consequence of free market economies which is as preposterous a theory as you could have about anything.'
Helen: 'Lobsters say the thing that you ideologically want to talk about that your belief that there is a kind of Marxist ideology...'
Peterson interrupting: 'How do lobsters say that?'
[Uh what Jordan? You just explained how lobsters demonstrate that. Remember you chose lobsters to put rest to the absurd Marxist proposition, and now you are saying lobsters don't put to rest the absurd proposition? Remembering what you said 2 minutes ago can be super challenging I know.] SCORE: Helen 2, Jordan 0
3. Helen referring to equality of outcome: 'I don't think that is a widely held view.'
JP Interrupting as usual: 20% of social scientist identify as Marxist.
[Heads up JP, in the survey you are referring to, 3% of college professors identify as Marxist, and you claim that universities are dominated by leftist ideology, thus 3% of a very Left leaning sample identify as Marxist... and you are disagreeing with Helen? Whoops. 3% of a skewed sample group does not equal 'widely held view'. I guess you can teach psychology even at Harvard without having a basic grasp on scientific and mathematical analysis. The study Prevalence of Marxism in Academia states that Marxism is 'A tiny minority faith', i.e. Peterson cited a study to prove Helen wrong, when it actually proved her right. SCORE: Helen 3, Jordan 0]
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Pretenderhead at 36:00. 'Tech companies are trying deliver something you will attend to, AI machines that will analyze your eye movements, to see what you are looking at, they are trying to figure out what you want and deliver it to you fast, Can we trust us, not if we are lying, that makes misinformation, the naked desire for power, the systems get contaminated, look what we are doing, you and I are having a conversation that will be distributed, its a miracle, translators work on my YT content, its very hard to translate YT to other languages, it hasn't been thought through, there is a real time translator, this is unbelievable...this over simplification and demonization has to stop... I talked to democrats who think antifa is illusory, but who think there is a conspiratory force on the right.'
[The king of over simplification and demonizing thinks we need to stop that, and in the very next sentence he over simplifies and demonizes democrats who think antifa is illusory and right wing conspiracy is real? Whoops dude. And how did he get from tech companies trying to sell us stuff, duh, to antifa in three sentences? Peterson is amazed at YouTube? Hasn't it been around for like 20 years? It's very hard to translate other languages but there is a real time translator? This guys brain is such total chaos. Dave; a coherent point anywhere in this video? Give me a nudge when you find it.]
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@bry8120 Ok neither of us can find something intelligent by JP. Randomly at 16:00 with these two pretend smart guys; The climate conferences, we have to sacrifice, Obama bought a 15 million house.
"There are hierarchies of competence and corrupted by power, how much, we should clean them up, to fix them, illness and death climb from the bottom up, psycho-physiologically easer at the top, we double energy cost old poor people die, which side are you on Leftists?, are you going to sacrifice the poor, there is no consensus in science...people go to the bathroom so there is no zero pollution, it is not detailed solutions, copious energy for everyone, you should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left, what is work, energy is everything...the US has cut CO2 14% because of fracking..."
So Rubin describes this as: Looking for smart and honest conversations ...increase your critical thinking by listening to different perspectives on a variety of topics? If so, then you’re in the right place because ... the ideas of some of society's most interesting thought leaders, authors, politicians and comedians.
Rubin is calling JP a critical thinking thought leader? How the hell did JP get from sacrifice for climate change to hierarchies and competence? Because he can't go more than a couple paragraphs without leaning on his go to phrases, competence hierarchies and tyrannical patriarchy.
There is no consensus in science...from a non-scientist, please Jordan, stay in your lane. People don't have detailed solutions -- from a guy who never has a solution to anything. You should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left? What a total idiot. Did he forget he is talking about reducing CO2 levels? Energy consumption is where CO2 comes from dork. Peterson's claim about CO2 reduction is also incorrect. The levels have stayed about the same since 1990, influenced more by cleaner burning cars than more fracking.
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Peterson at 13:00 'The best way to save the planet is to make poor people rich as fast as we can...the biggest environmental issue facing us is over fishing...what does sustainable mean?...why should we care, how should we care? you have to prioritize, 200 goals is chaos, do you have a better idea, then what good is your criticism...'
[Wait, is Peterson, a guy who never has a solution to anything trying to rip on people who criticize with no better ideas? Pretty funny. The biggest environmental issue facing us is over fishing? No it isn't. The only result of over fishing is there are too few fish, who will of course replenish within a generation. The best way to save the planet is to make everyone rich? This guy is so totally full of crap. Environmental problems are caused by consumerism, which is a direct byproduct of wealth. What does sustainable mean? It means Jordan that the rate of consumption equals the rate of replacement. In another section Jordan says that the best way to solve pollution in India is to burn more coal. What is a guy who claims we don't have an over population problem doing projecting to solve problems in India when their entire problem is over population?
How about this Dave, lets do a debate with me, Jordan, and you and discuss actual solutions. HMU, anytime.]
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Let's check out Dr. Potaterson at 10:00: 'Climate change is the biggest health issue of our time, No, overreaching beaurocrats are, China is building nuclear reactors, we can't get our act together to build nuclear in the US, if you are concerned about the poor and the environment you make power as cheap as possible because there is no difference between energy and wealth, there is a bit of the problem getting rid of the waste, save the climate by making power as cheap as possible, as CO2 levels rise plants can grow more in drier environments, I read 200 books what I learned was things are way better than everyone thinks, the biggest environmental problem is over fishing in the ocean...
[Help me out Dave, haven't you claimed that JP is some kind of intellectual? What is even remotely intellectual about any of this? There is a bit of a problem getting rid of nuclear waste? Sure Jordan, half life of cancer causing mineral of 50,000 years, a BIT of a problem? We can't get out act together for nuclear in the US? Wrong Jordan, we made an environmental and safety issue to limit new nuclear. You can help the poor by making energy as cheap as possible? Wrong, energy cost is not the biggest part of someone's budget. And making energy cheap helps the environment? Wrong again, cheap energy tends to result in more driving, more air conditioning, more manufacturing, and more consumerism; all at the bottom of the pyramid for environmental damage. Remember when you claim to use multi variate analysis? So why are you over simplifying to 'energy is everything' here? There is no difference between energy and wealth, and climate and everything are the same word? This guy seriously needs a vocabulary lesson and instruction in basic logic. Over reaching beaurocrats are the biggest health issue? Heads up Jordan, do a google search for Covid 19 and bring yourself up to speed with what everyone else in the world has known for the last two years.]
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Peterson at 21:00 'People go to the bathroom there is not Zero pollution, net zero is an empty talking point, it is not careful thinking that produces a solution...' [Heads up Jordan no one is suggesting we can get to zero pollution, the stated goal is NET ZERO CO2. You are welcome for the lesson in basic logic and science. Careful thinking that produces a solution? Dave, has Jordan ever done that himself?]
'How about copious energy for everyone as clean as possible, resilient stable systems, the only thing you should care about is cheap energy, work makes people prosperous and secure, what is work, it is the expenditure of energy, what is energy, work wealth, energy is everything, US has knocked CO2 down by 14% in the last couple of decades because of fracking, war is not good for the environment...'
Jump to 34:00 'I rewrote sections of the document and my rewrites stuck, I did the work, they didn't have time to rewrite it, high end people are busy, they don't have time to analyze sustainable development goals...the only person trained to do it is Lomborg...'
[So JP's solution is lots of cheap energy for everyone? Does he have a magic wand to make this happen? Does he not realize that many of our environmental problems are related to energy consumption funding consumerism? What is work? Work is energy? I think JP is confusing work by people with the concept of work and energy in pure physics. Whoops. He wants to brag that he wrote sections that stuck? Maybe that happened, I will check it out. The other people didn't have time to analyze sustainable development goals? He knows this how? Literally every sentence out of his mouth is total nonsense, including that CO2 levels have dropped by 14% and that is due to fracking. The only person trained to analyze sustainable goals is Lomborg? Like in the entire world Jordan. Dave, help me out here, why are you nodding your head to this nonsense?]
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Randomly at 16:00 with these two pretend smart guys; The climate conferences, we have to sacrifice, Obama bought a 15 million house.
"There are hierarchies of competence and corrupted by power, how much, we should clean them up, to fix them, illness and death climb from the bottom up, psycho-physiologically easer at the top, we double energy cost old poor people die, which side are you on Leftists?, are you going to sacrifice the poor, there is no consensus in science...people go to the bathroom so there is no zero pollution, it is not detailed solutions, copious energy for everyone, you should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left, what is work, energy is everything...the US has cut CO2 14% because of fracking..."
So Rubin describes this as: Looking for smart and honest conversations ...increase your critical thinking by listening to different perspectives on a variety of topics? If so, then you’re in the right place because ... the ideas of some of society's most interesting thought leaders, authors, politicians and comedians.
Rubin is calling JP a critical thinking thought leader? How the hell did JP get from sacrifice for climate change to hierarchies and competence? Because he can't go more than a couple paragraphs without leaning on his go to phrases, competence hierarchies and tyrannical patriarchy.
There is no consensus in science...from a non-scientist, please Jordan, stay in your lane. People don't have detailed solutions -- from a guy who never has a solution to anything. You should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left? What a total idiot. Did he forget he is talking about reducing CO2 levels? Energy consumption is where CO2 comes from dork. Peterson's claim about CO2 reduction is also incorrect. The levels have stayed about the same since 1990, influenced more by cleaner burning cars than more fracking.
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Peterson at 21:00 'People go to the bathroom there is not Zero pollution, net zero is an empty talking point, it is not careful thinking that produces a solution...' [Heads up Jordan no one is suggesting we can get to zero pollution, the stated goal is NET ZERO CO2. You are welcome for the lesson in basic logic and science. Careful thinking that produces a solution? Dave, has Jordan ever done that himself?]
'How about copious energy for everyone as clean as possible, resilient stable systems, the only thing you should care about is cheap energy, work makes people prosperous and secure, what is work, it is the expenditure of energy, what is energy, work wealth, energy is everything, US has knocked CO2 down by 14% in the last couple of decades because of fracking, war is not good for the environment...'
Jump to 34:00 'I rewrote sections of the document and my rewrites stuck, I did the work, they didn't have time to rewrite it, high end people are busy, they don't have time to analyze sustainable development goals...the only person trained to do it is Lomborg...'
[So JP's solution is lots of cheap energy for everyone? Does he have a magic wand to make this happen? Does he not realize that many of our environmental problems are related to energy consumption funding consumerism? What is work? Work is energy? I think JP is confusing work by people with the concept of work and energy in pure physics. Whoops. He wants to brag that he wrote sections that stuck? Maybe that happened, I will check it out. The other people didn't have time to analyze sustainable development goals? He knows this how? Literally every sentence out of his mouth is total nonsense, including that CO2 levels have dropped by 14% and that is due to fracking. The only person trained to analyze sustainable goals is Lomborg? Like in the entire world Jordan. Dave, help me out here, why are you nodding your head to this nonsense?]
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@oakson3045 Did you find an intelligent coherent statement by JP? Please share.
Pretenderson at 40:00 talking about antifa, 'how many people identifiable, who the hell are they, are they right or left, 800 antifa, then they don't exist, does it exist, they are agents of chaos, to sow discord, how to we protect ourselves, that is the endless question of the human race, men are less agreeable, women like disagreeable men, women chose their mates, the more disagreeable you are the less compassionate and generous you are, why do women pick disagreeable men, in one city they had a summer of love, so everyone is agreeable, do the psychopaths come out at night, agreeable people share, women have to protect their infants, they need men who can guard, if a man is too masculine they can't communicate, you have to hold the psychopaths down, they are at 3%, the Left says hierarchies are nothing but power, tough men are tougher than tough women, are we going to look at this straightforward and clearly?'
[Holy crap Dave, did Peterson just claim he is looking at this straightforward and clearly, after a pointless, unstraightforward, unclear and chaotic rambling that goes from how many antifa there are to women are more agreeable to the summer of love? Help me out Dave, reply to this comment. What precisely is Peterson's point here? Antifa exists or it doesn't exist? Women are more agreeable? I don't think that is true and of course it has absolutely nothing to do with antifa. The Left says hierarchies are nothing but power? Not true. JP made that up. How many Peterson's does it take to unscrew a lightbulb? One, but he does it by rotating the entire house in the opposite direction.]
Mr. Pretenderhead at 36:00. 'Tech companies are trying deliver something you will attend to, AI machines that will analyze your eye movements, to see what you are looking at, they are trying to figure out what you want and deliver it to you fast, Can we trust us, not if we are lying, that makes misinformation, the naked desire for power, the systems get contaminated, look what we are doing, you and I are having a conversation that will be distributed, its a miracle, translators work on my YT content, its very hard to translate YT to other languages, it hasn't been thought through, there is a real time translator, this is unbelievable...this over simplification and demonization has to stop... I talked to democrats who think antifa is illusory, but who think there is a conspiratory force on the right.'
[The king of over simplification and demonizing thinks we need to stop that, and in the very next sentence he over simplifies and demonizes democrats who think antifa is illusory and right wing conspiracy is real? Whoops dude. And how did he get from tech companies trying to sell us stuff, duh, to antifa in three sentences? Peterson is amazed at YouTube? Hasn't it been around for like 20 years? If you are lying you are spreading misinformation? This guy's genius is seriously off the charts. It's very hard to translate other languages but there is a real time translator? This guys brain is such total chaos. Dave; a coherent point anywhere in this video? Give me a nudge when you find it.]
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@oakson3045 Let's check out Dr. Potaterson at 10:00: 'Climate change is the biggest health issue of our time, No, overreaching beaurocrats are, China is building nuclear reactors, we can't get our act together to build nuclear in the US, if you are concerned about the poor and the environment you make power as cheap as possible because there is no difference between energy and wealth, there is a bit of the problem getting rid of the waste, save the climate by making power as cheap as possible, as CO2 levels rise plants can grow more in drier environments, I read 200 books what I learned was things are way better than everyone thinks, the biggest environmental problem is over fishing in the ocean...
[Help me out Dave, haven't you claimed that JP is some kind of intellectual? What is even remotely intellectual about any of this? There is a bit of a problem getting rid of nuclear waste? Sure Jordan, half life of cancer causing mineral of 50,000 years, a BIT of a problem? We can't get out act together for nuclear in the US? Wrong Jordan, we made an environmental and safety issue to limit new nuclear. You can help the poor by making energy as cheap as possible? Wrong, energy cost is not the biggest part of someone's budget. And making energy cheap helps the environment? Wrong again, cheap energy tends to result in more driving, more air conditioning, more manufacturing, and more consumerism; all at the bottom of the pyramid for environmental damage. Remember when you claim to use multi variate analysis? So why are you over simplifying to 'energy is everything' here? There is no difference between energy and wealth, and climate and everything are the same word? This guy seriously needs a vocabulary lesson and instruction in basic logic. Over reaching beaurocrats are the biggest health issue? Heads up Jordan, do a google search for Covid 19 and bring yourself up to speed with what everyone else in the world has known for the last two years.]
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@Birdracer22 Pretenderson at 40:00 talking about antifa, 'how many people identifiable, who the hell are they, are they right or left, 800 antifa, then they don't exist, does it exist, they are agents of chaos, to sow discord, how to we protect ourselves, that is the endless question of the human race, men are less agreeable, women like disagreeable men, women chose their mates, the more disagreeable you are the less compassionate and generous you are, why do women pick disagreeable men, in one city they had a summer of love, so everyone is agreeable, do the psychopaths come out at night, agreeable people share, women have to protect their infants, they need men who can guard, if a man is too masculine they can't communicate, you have to hold the psychopaths down, they are at 3%, the Left says hierarchies are nothing but power, tough men are tougher than tough women, are we going to look at this straightforward and clearly?'
[Holy crap Dave, did Peterson just claim he is looking at this straightforward and clearly, after a pointless, unstraightforward, unclear and chaotic rambling that goes from how many antifa there are to women are more agreeable to the summer of love? Help me out Dave, reply to this comment. What precisely is Peterson's point here? Antifa exists or it doesn't exist? Women are more agreeable? I don't think that is true and of course it has absolutely nothing to do with antifa. The Left says hierarchies are nothing but power? Not true. JP made that up. How many Peterson's does it take to unscrew a lightbulb? One, but he does it by rotating the entire house in the opposite direction.]
Mr. Pretenderhead at 36:00. 'Tech companies are trying deliver something you will attend to, AI machines that will analyze your eye movements, to see what you are looking at, they are trying to figure out what you want and deliver it to you fast, Can we trust us, not if we are lying, that makes misinformation, the naked desire for power, the systems get contaminated, look what we are doing, you and I are having a conversation that will be distributed, its a miracle, translators work on my YT content, its very hard to translate YT to other languages, it hasn't been thought through, there is a real time translator, this is unbelievable...this over simplification and demonization has to stop... I talked to democrats who think antifa is illusory, but who think there is a conspiratory force on the right.'
[The king of over simplification and demonizing thinks we need to stop that, and in the very next sentence he over simplifies and demonizes democrats who think antifa is illusory and right wing conspiracy is real? Whoops dude. And how did he get from tech companies trying to sell us stuff, duh, to antifa in three sentences? Peterson is amazed at YouTube? Hasn't it been around for like 20 years? If you are lying you are spreading misinformation? This guy's genius is seriously off the charts. It's very hard to translate other languages but there is a real time translator? This guys brain is such total chaos. Dave; a coherent point anywhere in this video? Give me a nudge when you find it.]
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@greylatern Can I see an example? Mr. Pretenderhead at 36:00. 'Tech companies are trying deliver something you will attend to, AI machines that will analyze your eye movements, to see what you are looking at, they are trying to figure out what you want and deliver it to you fast, Can we trust us, not if we are lying, that makes misinformation, the naked desire for power, the systems get contaminated, look what we are doing, you and I are having a conversation that will be distributed, its a miracle, translators work on my YT content, its very hard to translate YT to other languages, it hasn't been thought through, there is a real time translator, this is unbelievable...this over simplification and demonization has to stop... I talked to democrats who think antifa is illusory, but who think there is a conspiratory force on the right.'
[The king of over simplification and demonizing thinks we need to stop that, and in the very next sentence he over simplifies and demonizes democrats who think antifa is illusory and right wing conspiracy is real? Whoops dude. And how did he get from tech companies trying to sell us stuff, duh, to antifa in three sentences? Peterson is amazed at YouTube? Hasn't it been around for like 20 years? If you are lying you are spreading misinformation? This guy's genius is seriously off the charts. It's very hard to translate other languages but there is a real time translator? This guys brain is such total chaos. Dave; a coherent point anywhere in this video? Give me a nudge when you find it.]
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@greylatern Pretenderson at 40:00 talking about antifa, 'how many people identifiable, who the hell are they, are they right or left, 800 antifa, then they don't exist, does it exist, they are agents of chaos, to sow discord, how to we protect ourselves, that is the endless question of the human race, men are less agreeable, women like disagreeable men, women chose their mates, the more disagreeable you are the less compassionate and generous you are, why do women pick disagreeable men, in one city they had a summer of love, so everyone is agreeable, do the psychopaths come out at night, agreeable people share, women have to protect their infants, they need men who can guard, if a man is too masculine they can't communicate, you have to hold the psychopaths down, they are at 3%, the Left says hierarchies are nothing but power, tough men are tougher than tough women, are we going to look at this straightforward and clearly?'
[Holy crap Dave, did Peterson just claim he is looking at this straightforward and clearly, after a pointless, unstraightforward, unclear and chaotic rambling that goes from how many antifa there are to women are more agreeable to the summer of love? Help me out Dave, reply to this comment. What precisely is Peterson's point here? Antifa exists or it doesn't exist? Women are more agreeable? I don't think that is true and of course it has absolutely nothing to do with antifa. The Left says hierarchies are nothing but power? Not true. JP made that up. How many Peterson's does it take to unscrew a lightbulb? One, but he does it by rotating the entire house in the opposite direction.]
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@greylatern Apparently you feel JP is an expert in 90% of what he says here, you just aren't sure what it was, when you figure it out LMK.
Let's check out Dr. Potaterson at 10:00: 'Climate change is the biggest health issue of our time, No, overreaching beaurocrats are, China is building nuclear reactors, we can't get our act together to build nuclear in the US, if you are concerned about the poor and the environment you make power as cheap as possible because there is no difference between energy and wealth, there is a bit of the problem getting rid of the waste, save the climate by making power as cheap as possible, as CO2 levels rise plants can grow more in drier environments, I read 200 books what I learned was things are way better than everyone thinks, the biggest environmental problem is over fishing in the ocean...
[Help me out Dave, haven't you claimed that JP is some kind of intellectual? What is even remotely intellectual about any of this? There is a bit of a problem getting rid of nuclear waste? Sure Jordan, half life of cancer causing mineral of 50,000 years, a BIT of a problem? We can't get out act together for nuclear in the US? Wrong Jordan, we made an environmental and safety issue to limit new nuclear. You can help the poor by making energy as cheap as possible? Wrong, energy cost is not the biggest part of someone's budget. And making energy cheap helps the environment? Wrong again, cheap energy tends to result in more driving, more air conditioning, more manufacturing, and more consumerism; all at the bottom of the pyramid for environmental damage. Remember when you claim to use multi variate analysis? So why are you over simplifying to 'energy is everything' here? There is no difference between energy and wealth, and climate and everything are the same word? This guy seriously needs a vocabulary lesson and instruction in basic logic. Over reaching beaurocrats are the biggest health issue? Heads up Jordan, do a google search for Covid 19 and bring yourself up to speed with what everyone else in the world has known for the last two years.]
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Pretenderson at 40:00 talking about antifa, 'how many people identifiable, who the hell are they, are they right or left, 800 antifa, then they don't exist, does it exist, they are agents of chaos, to sow discord, how to we protect ourselves, that is the endless question of the human race, men are less agreeable, women like disagreeable men, women chose their mates, the more disagreeable you are the less compassionate and generous you are, why do women pick disagreeable men, in one city they had a summer of love, so everyone is agreeable, do the psychopaths come out at night, agreeable people share, women have to protect their infants, they need men who can guard, if a man is too masculine they can't communicate, you have to hold the psychopaths down, they are at 3%, the Left says hierarchies are nothing but power, tough men are tougher than tough women, are we going to look at this straightforward and clearly?'
[Holy crap Dave, did Peterson just claim he is looking at this straightforward and clearly, after a pointless, unstraightforward, unclear and chaotic rambling that goes from how many antifa there are to women are more agreeable to the summer of love? Help me out Dave, reply to this comment. What precisely is Peterson's point here? Antifa exists or it doesn't exist? Women are more agreeable? I don't think that is true and of course it has absolutely nothing to do with antifa. The Left says hierarchies are nothing but power? Not true. JP made that up. How many Peterson's does it take to unscrew a lightbulb? One, but he does it by rotating the entire house in the opposite direction.]
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@Kipperbob Like I said, as a blind conservative JP ideologue I can predict what you say before you say it; You feel he has great skills at dissecting complex ideas...you just don't know where that happened. You feel you have read the JP literature but you can't quote a single idea by Peterson that supports your beliefs. I am the one with evidence and you have none...and you conclude I am the ignorant one? I can predict that response from you also.
LMK if you have any evidence whatsoever. Watch how I do it.
Let's check out Dr. Potaterson at 10:00: 'Climate change is the biggest health issue of our time, No, overreaching beaurocrats are, China is building nuclear reactors, we can't get our act together to build nuclear in the US, if you are concerned about the poor and the environment you make power as cheap as possible because there is no difference between energy and wealth, there is a bit of the problem getting rid of the waste, save the climate by making power as cheap as possible, as CO2 levels rise plants can grow more in drier environments, I read 200 books what I learned was things are way better than everyone thinks, the biggest environmental problem is over fishing in the ocean...
[Help me out Dave, haven't you claimed that JP is some kind of intellectual? What is even remotely intellectual about any of this? There is a bit of a problem getting rid of nuclear waste? Sure Jordan, half life of cancer causing mineral of 50,000 years, a BIT of a problem? We can't get out act together for nuclear in the US? Wrong Jordan, we made an environmental and safety issue to limit new nuclear. You can help the poor by making energy as cheap as possible? Wrong, energy cost is not the biggest part of someone's budget. And making energy cheap helps the environment? Wrong again, cheap energy tends to result in more driving, more air conditioning, more manufacturing, and more consumerism; all at the bottom of the pyramid for environmental damage. Remember when you claim to use multi variate analysis? So why are you over simplifying to 'energy is everything' here? There is no difference between energy and wealth, and climate and everything are the same word? This guy seriously needs a vocabulary lesson and instruction in basic logic. Over reaching beaurocrats are the biggest health issue? Heads up Jordan, do a google search for Covid 19 and bring yourself up to speed with what everyone else in the world has known for the last two years.]
Pretenderson at 40:00 talking about antifa, 'how many people identifiable, who the hell are they, are they right or left, 800 antifa, then they don't exist, does it exist, they are agents of chaos, to sow discord, how to we protect ourselves, that is the endless question of the human race, men are less agreeable, women like disagreeable men, women chose their mates, the more disagreeable you are the less compassionate and generous you are, why do women pick disagreeable men, in one city they had a summer of love, so everyone is agreeable, do the psychopaths come out at night, agreeable people share, women have to protect their infants, they need men who can guard, if a man is too masculine they can't communicate, you have to hold the psychopaths down, they are at 3%, the Left says hierarchies are nothing but power, tough men are tougher than tough women, are we going to look at this straightforward and clearly?'
[Holy crap Dave, did Peterson just claim he is looking at this straightforward and clearly, after a pointless, unstraightforward, unclear and chaotic rambling that goes from how many antifa there are to women are more agreeable to the summer of love? Help me out Dave, reply to this comment. What precisely is Peterson's point here? Antifa exists or it doesn't exist? Women are more agreeable? I don't think that is true and of course it has absolutely nothing to do with antifa. The Left says hierarchies are nothing but power? Not true. JP made that up. How many Peterson's does it take to unscrew a lightbulb? One, but he does it by rotating the entire house in the opposite direction.]
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@Max-jl2ie
20:00 We should have careful differentiated thoughtful thorough detail-oriented thinking that will produce solutions, there is no discussion about what are we aiming at here, how about copious energy that is clean for everyone, resilient stable systems...There is manure from cows, people go to the bathroom, there is not zero pollution...the only thing you should care about is cheap energy, what makes people prosperous and secure, work, what is work, it is the expenditure of energy, what is energy, work, what is work, wealth,
[What an absolute idiot, he claims we need thoughtful detailed solutions and his unthoughtful, undetailed, uncareful idea is lots of cheap energy? You just said you need well thought out detailed plans, and your well thought out detailed plan is how about clean energy and stable systems? There is no discussion about what we are aiming at? You just mentioned the aim one sentence ago; Net Zero. Heads up dork brain, the concept is Net Zero, not Zero]
[If you care about poor people, The only thing you should care about is cheap energy... Wrong. What makes people prosperous... work, wrong not if that work is at minimum wage. Work is the expenditure of energy - wrong. What is energy - work, wrong. What is work, wealth, wrong.]
Dave, If JP says a single accurate useful statement about anything in this entire interview, can you let me know where that is?
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@annarodriguez9868 Let's plug into DR. Pretendhead at 7:00. 'There is nothing behind it but the most instrumentally and cowardly random polling, how do you get accurate polling data, how did you construct the questions...
Let's jump to 30:00: 'Don't screw it up with facile criticism, you have to do a detailed analysis, where is it procedurally going wrong the whole thing needs to be burned to the ground, people don't want a detailed analysis of the problem, it is heuristics, you are not seeing me, I am not there, you don't see my cellular structure, what is the job, a heuristic turns into a bias, you don't know what you don't know, people who want to fix the power system they don't know how to do home wiring, I worked on a committee and they kept my changes...
[OK so guy who complains about facile criticism spends an hour giving us facile criticism like people don't want a detailed analysis, there is cowardly random polling, and people can't see his cellular structure, and someone who can't install home wiring may have any idea to improve efficient and cleaner use of electricity? Dave, help me out here, why are you nodding at Peterson's heuristic nonsense from start to finish?]
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20:00 We should have careful differentiated thoughtful thorough detail-oriented thinking that will produce solutions, there is no discussion about what are we aiming at here, how about copious energy that is clean for everyone, resilient stable systems...There is manure from cows, people go to the bathroom, there is not zero pollution...the only thing you should care about is cheap energy, what makes people prosperous and secure, work, what is work, it is the expenditure of energy, what is energy, work, what is work, wealth,
[What an absolute idiot, he claims we need thoughtful detailed solutions and his unthoughtful, undetailed, uncareful idea is lots of cheap energy? You just said you need well thought out detailed plans, and your well thought out detailed plan is how about clean energy and stable systems? There is no discussion about what we are aiming at? You just mentioned the aim one sentence ago; Net Zero. Heads up dork brain, the concept is Net Zero, not Zero]
[If you care about poor people, The only thing you should care about is cheap energy... Wrong. What makes people prosperous... work, wrong not if that work is at minimum wage. Work is the expenditure of energy - wrong. What is energy - work, wrong. What is work, wealth, wrong.]
Dave, If JP says a single accurate useful statement about anything in this entire interview, can you let me know where that is?
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@candaniel2 You found a coherent sensible idea? Cool, can I see one?
Consciousness is a world engendering force, without it the cosmos as such would not exist....you become what you practice...to be out of concordance with reality you think of the totalitarian impulse underneath....a journey outside of language outside of linguistic certainty...an over emphasis on certainty puts you in a prison that bars you from a well...sacred implies deep...no one disputes the proposition that some stories are deeper than others...movement in a direction that is better than what you know, is there is anything that could possibly more fervently hoped for than that, the amount of evil that is a result of our moral insufficiency is indeterminate.
Winning a championship and winning a game are not the same thing. We don't know how we manage the active perception, perceiving the world turns out to be way more complicated than anyone ever imagined, we think there are objects out there and we just see them. Clinical psychology research has determined that if you set goals and strive for goals you may achieve them... Jordan Peterson.
[Doesn't this guy claim to be some sort of intellectual? Perceiving the world is complicated for us? It's complicated for you Jordan, but don't project your personal confusion on to everyone else.]
[Apparently people hope to move towards something better. Wow. Put some big words in a blender, pour them onto a spinning fan, walla, a Peterson speech.]
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@Rich.L-J_KZN
20:00 We should have careful differentiated thoughtful thorough detail-oriented thinking that will produce solutions, there is no discussion about what are we aiming at here, how about copious energy that is clean for everyone, resilient stable systems...There is manure from cows, people go to the bathroom, there is not zero pollution...the only thing you should care about is cheap energy, what makes people prosperous and secure, work, what is work, it is the expenditure of energy, what is energy, work, what is work, wealth,
[What an absolute idiot, he claims we need thoughtful detailed solutions and his unthoughtful, undetailed, uncareful idea is lots of cheap energy? You just said you need well thought out detailed plans, and your well thought out detailed plan is how about clean energy and stable systems? There is no discussion about what we are aiming at? You just mentioned the aim one sentence ago; Net Zero. Heads up dork brain, the concept is Net Zero, not Zero]
[If you care about poor people, The only thing you should care about is cheap energy... Wrong. What makes people prosperous... work, wrong not if that work is at minimum wage. Work is the expenditure of energy - wrong. What is energy - work, wrong. What is work, wealth, wrong.]
Dave, If JP says a single accurate useful statement about anything in this entire interview, can you let me know where that is?
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@danielevans5864 Pretenderson at 40:00 talking about antifa, 'how many people identifiable, who the hell are they, are they right or left, 800 antifa, then they don't exist, does it exist, they are agents of chaos, to sow discord, how to we protect ourselves, that is the endless question of the human race, men are less agreeable, women like disagreeable men, women chose their mates, the more disagreeable you are the less compassionate and generous you are, why do women pick disagreeable men, in one city they had a summer of love, so everyone is agreeable, do the psychopaths come out at night, agreeable people share, women have to protect their infants, they need men who can guard, if a man is too masculine they can't communicate, you have to hold the psychopaths down, they are at 3%, the Left says hierarchies are nothing but power, tough men are tougher than tough women, are we going to look at this straightforward and clearly?'
[Holy crap Dave, did Peterson just claim he is looking at this straightforward and clearly, after a pointless, unstraightforward, unclear and chaotic rambling that goes from how many antifa there are to women are more agreeable to the summer of love? Help me out Dave, reply to this comment. What precisely is Peterson's point here? Antifa exists or it doesn't exist? Women are more agreeable? I don't think that is true and of course it has absolutely nothing to do with antifa. The Left says hierarchies are nothing but power? Not true. JP made that up. How many Peterson's does it take to unscrew a lightbulb? One, but he does it by rotating the entire house in the opposite direction.]
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Peterson at 13:00 'The best way to save the planet is to make poor people rich as fast as we can...the biggest environmental issue facing us is over fishing...what does sustainable mean?...why should we care, how should we care? you have to prioritize, 200 goals is chaos, do you have a better idea, then what good is your criticism...'
[Wait, is Peterson, a guy who never has a solution to anything trying to rip on people who criticize with no better ideas? Pretty funny. The biggest environmental issue facing us is over fishing? No it isn't. The only result of over fishing is there are too few fish, who will of course replenish within a generation. The best way to save the planet is to make everyone rich? This guy is so totally full of crap. Environmental problems are caused by consumerism, which is a direct byproduct of wealth. What does sustainable mean? It means Jordan that the rate of consumption equals the rate of replacement. In another section Jordan says that the best way to solve pollution in India is to burn more coal. What is a guy who claims we don't have an over population problem doing projecting to solve problems in India when their entire problem is over population?
How about this Dave, lets do a debate with me, Jordan, and you and discuss actual solutions. HMU, anytime.]
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Peterson said something intelligent? What? We should have careful differentiated thoughtful thorough detail-oriented thinking that will produce solutions, there is no discussion about what are we aiming at here, how about copious energy that is clean for everyone, resilient stable systems...There is manure from cows, people go to the bathroom, there is not zero pollution
[What an absolute idiot, he claims we need thoughtful detailed solutions and his unthoughtful, undetailed, uncareful idea is lots of cheap energy? You just said you need well thought out detailed plans, and your well thought out detailed plan is how about clean energy and stable systems? There is no discussion about what we are aiming at? You just mentioned the aim one sentence ago; Net Zero. Heads up dork brain, the concept is Net Zero, not Zero]
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Mr. Pretenderhead at 36:00. 'Tech companies are trying deliver something you will attend to, AI machines that will analyze your eye movements, to see what you are looking at, they are trying to figure out what you want and deliver it to you fast, Can we trust us, not if we are lying, that makes misinformation, the naked desire for power, the systems get contaminated, look what we are doing, you and I are having a conversation that will be distributed, its a miracle, translators work on my YT content, its very hard to translate YT to other languages, it hasn't been thought through, there is a real time translator, this is unbelievable...this over simplification and demonization has to stop... I talked to democrats who think antifa is illusory, but who think there is a conspiratory force on the right.'
[The king of over simplification and demonizing thinks we need to stop that, and in the very next sentence he over simplifies and demonizes democrats who think antifa is illusory and right wing conspiracy is real? Whoops dude. And how did he get from tech companies trying to sell us stuff, duh, to antifa in three sentences? Peterson is amazed at YouTube? Hasn't it been around for like 20 years? If you are lying you are spreading misinformation? This guy's genius is seriously off the charts. It's very hard to translate other languages but there is a real time translator? This guys brain is such total chaos. Dave; a coherent point anywhere in this video? Give me a nudge when you find it.]
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@Wooptidoodoo Maybe JP's self appointed explainer of the world ego is actually a cry for help. But again, any spot in this interview where JP is trying to learn rather than acting like we need him to explain the world to the rest of us.
Randomly at 16:00 with these two pretend smart guys; The climate conferences, we have to sacrifice, Obama bought a 15 million house.
"There are hierarchies of competence and corrupted by power, how much, we should clean them up, to fix them, illness and death climb from the bottom up, psycho-physiologically easer at the top, we double energy cost old poor people die, which side are you on Leftists?, are you going to sacrifice the poor, there is no consensus in science...people go to the bathroom so there is no zero pollution, it is not detailed solutions, copious energy for everyone, you should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left, what is work, energy is everything...the US has cut CO2 14% because of fracking..."
So Rubin describes this as: Looking for smart and honest conversations ...increase your critical thinking by listening to different perspectives on a variety of topics? If so, then you’re in the right place because ... the ideas of some of society's most interesting thought leaders, authors, politicians and comedians.
Rubin is calling JP a critical thinking thought leader? How the hell did JP get from sacrifice for climate change to hierarchies and competence? Because he can't go more than a couple paragraphs without leaning on his go to phrases, competence hierarchies and tyrannical patriarchy.
]There is no consensus in science...from a non-scientist, please Jordan, stay in your lane. People don't have detailed solutions -- from a guy who never has a solution to anything. You should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left? What a total idiot. Did he forget he is talking about reducing CO2 levels? Energy consumption is where CO2 comes from dork. Peterson's claim about CO2 reduction is also incorrect. The levels have stayed about the same since 1990, influenced more by cleaner burning cars than more fracking.]
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@faceplants2 Peterson made a smart clear intellectual point? In this video? Can you timestamp it? Thanks.
Randomly at 16:00 with these two pretend smart guys; The climate conferences, we have to sacrifice, Obama bought a 15 million house.
"There are hierarchies of competence and corrupted by power, how much, we should clean them up, to fix them, illness and death climb from the bottom up, psycho-physiologically easer at the top, we double energy cost old poor people die, which side are you on Leftists?, are you going to sacrifice the poor, there is no consensus in science...people go to the bathroom so there is no zero pollution, it is not detailed solutions, copious energy for everyone, you should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left, what is work, energy is everything...the US has cut CO2 14% because of fracking..."
So Rubin describes this as: Looking for smart and honest conversations ...increase your critical thinking by listening to different perspectives on a variety of topics? If so, then you’re in the right place because ... the ideas of some of society's most interesting thought leaders, authors, politicians and comedians.
Rubin is calling JP a critical thinking thought leader? How the hell did JP get from sacrifice for climate change to hierarchies and competence? Because he can't go more than a couple paragraphs without leaning on his go to phrases, competence hierarchies and tyrannical patriarchy.
There is no consensus in science...from a non-scientist, please Jordan, stay in your lane. People don't have detailed solutions -- from a guy who never has a solution to anything. You should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left? What a total idiot. Did he forget he is talking about reducing CO2 levels? Energy consumption is where CO2 comes from dork. Peterson's claim about CO2 reduction is also incorrect. The levels have stayed about the same since 1990, influenced more by cleaner burning cars than more fracking.
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@Aeneas-aojb Peterson has a climate change idea? What? BTW that I criticize his ideas is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that he routinely appoints himself to explain the world to us.
I repeat: Timestamp and quote a spot in this video where Peterson states an accurate and useful idea where he is not attempting to show that he has things figured out better than everyone else, i.e. self appointed explainer of the world.
Use evidence, like this:
Randomly at 16:00 with these two pretend smart guys; The climate conferences, we have to sacrifice, Obama bought a 15 million house.
"There are hierarchies of competence and corrupted by power, how much, we should clean them up, to fix them, illness and death climb from the bottom up, psycho-physiologically easer at the top, we double energy cost old poor people die, which side are you on Leftists?, are you going to sacrifice the poor, there is no consensus in science...people go to the bathroom so there is no zero pollution, it is not detailed solutions, copious energy for everyone, you should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left, what is work, energy is everything...the US has cut CO2 14% because of fracking..."
So Rubin describes this as: Looking for smart and honest conversations ...increase your critical thinking by listening to different perspectives on a variety of topics? If so, then you’re in the right place because ... the ideas of some of society's most interesting thought leaders, authors, politicians and comedians.
Rubin is calling JP a critical thinking thought leader? How the hell did JP get from sacrifice for climate change to hierarchies and competence? Because he can't go more than a couple paragraphs without leaning on his go to phrases, competence hierarchies and tyrannical patriarchy.
There is no consensus in science...from a non-scientist, please Jordan, stay in your lane. People don't have detailed solutions -- from a guy who never has a solution to anything. You should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left? What a total idiot. Did he forget he is talking about reducing CO2 levels? Energy consumption is where CO2 comes from dork. Peterson's claim about CO2 reduction is also incorrect. The levels have stayed about the same since 1990, influenced more by cleaner burning cars than more fracking.
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@Aeneas-aojb Ok. We may agree that JP has not insightful useful theory.
A. I am simply saying that you cannot use your disagreement to infer that he has appointed himself as a self-explainer of the world. [non sequitir, the two concepts are unrelated.]
B. I am saying that your criticisms of his motivations specifically are misguided. You are claiming to have some insight on his character and you clearly do not....I’ve watched enough of his content to see that this is not his motivation. He has not only said that he is interested in learning and speaking the truth about what he thinks, but he also acts that out as far as I’ve seen, and I’ve seen quite a bit of his content. [So you know his motivation and I do not? ]
C. Every thing I have ever heard JP is him explaining the world to us. Find a spot that supports your OP, he wants to learn not win.
Consciousness is a world engendering force, without it the cosmos as such would not exist....you become what you practice...to be out of concordance with reality you think of the totalitarian impulse underneath....a journey outside of language outside of linguistic certainty...an over emphasis on certainty puts you in a prison that bars you from a well...sacred implies deep...no one disputes the proposition that some stories are deeper than others...movement in a direction that is better than what you know, is there is anything that could possibly more fervently hoped for than that, the amount of evil that is a result of our moral insufficiency is indeterminate. Agreeableness negatively predicts success in the workplace. It is foolish to credit the woman's movement for advances in women's rights. Our hierarchies are of competence not power.
Winning a championship and winning a game are not the same thing. We don't know how we manage the active perception, perceiving the world turns out to be way more complicated than anyone ever imagined, we think there are objects out there and we just see them. Clinical psychology research has determined that if you set goals and strive for goals you may achieve them... Jordan Peterson, self appointed explainer of the world.
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@faceplants2 Note JP's strawman argument against zero emissions. Heads up Jordan, no one is arguing for zero emissions, the issue is NET ZERO. See the difference?
"There are hierarchies of competence and corrupted by power, how much, we should clean them up, to fix them, illness and death climb from the bottom up, psycho-physiologically easer at the top, we double energy cost old poor people die, which side are you on Leftists?, are you going to sacrifice the poor, there is no consensus in science...people go to the bathroom so there is no zero pollution, it is not detailed solutions, copious energy for everyone, you should only care about cheap energy if you are on the Left, what is work, energy is everything...the US has cut CO2 14% because of fracking..."
So Rubin describes this as: Looking for smart and honest conversations ...increase your critical thinking by listening to different perspectives on a variety of topics? If so, then you’re in the right place because ... the ideas of some of society's most interesting thought leaders, authors, politicians and comedians.
Rubin is calling JP a critical thinking thought leader? How the hell did JP get from sacrifice for climate change to hierarchies and competence? Because he can't go more than a couple paragraphs without leaning on his go to phrases, competence hierarchies and tyrannical patriarchy.
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Let's plug into DR. Pretendhead at 7:00. 'There is nothing behind it but the most instrumentally and cowardly random polling, how do you get accurate polling data, how did you construct the questions...
Let's jump to 30:00: 'Don't screw it up with facile criticism, you have to do a detailed analysis, where is it procedurally going wrong the whole thing needs to be burned to the ground, people don't want a detailed analysis of the problem, it is heuristics, you are not seeing me, I am not there, you don't see my cellular structure, what is the job, a heuristic turns into a bias, you don't know what you don't know, people who want to fix the power system they don't know how to do home wiring, I worked on a committee and they kept my changes...
[OK so guy who complains about facile criticism spends an hour giving us facile criticism like people don't want a detailed analysis, there is cowardly random polling, and people can't see his cellular structure, and someone who can't install home wiring may have any idea to improve efficient and cleaner use of electricity? Dave, help me out here, why are you nodding at Peterson's heuristic nonsense from start to finish?]
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Peterson at 21:00 'People go to the bathroom there is not Zero pollution, net zero is an empty talking point, it is not careful thinking that produces a solution...' [Heads up Jordan no one is suggesting we can get to zero pollution, the stated goal is NET ZERO CO2. You are welcome for the lesson in basic logic and science. Careful thinking that produces a solution? Dave, has Jordan ever done that himself?]
'How about copious energy for everyone as clean as possible, resilient stable systems, the only thing you should care about is cheap energy, work makes people prosperous and secure, what is work, it is the expenditure of energy, what is energy, work wealth, energy is everything, US has knocked CO2 down by 14% in the last couple of decades because of fracking, war is not good for the environment...'
Jump to 34:00 'I rewrote sections of the document and my rewrites stuck, I did the work, they didn't have time to rewrite it, high end people are busy, they don't have time to analyze sustainable development goals...the only person trained to do it is Lomborg...'
[So JP's solution is lots of cheap energy for everyone? Does he have a magic wand to make this happen? Does he not realize that many of our environmental problems are related to energy consumption funding consumerism? What is work? Work is energy? I think JP is confusing work by people with the concept of work and energy in pure physics. Whoops. He wants to brag that he wrote sections that stuck? Maybe that happened, I will check it out. The other people didn't have time to analyze sustainable development goals? He knows this how? Literally every sentence out of his mouth is total nonsense, including that CO2 levels have dropped by 14% and that is due to fracking. The only person trained to analyze sustainable goals is Lomborg? Like in the entire world Jordan. Dave, help me out here, why are you nodding your head to this nonsense?]
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@reahthorolund8373 Pretenderson at 40:00 talking about antifa, 'how many people identifiable, who the hell are they, are they right or left, 800 antifa, then they don't exist, does it exist, they are agents of chaos, to sow discord, how to we protect ourselves, that is the endless question of the human race, men are less agreeable, women like disagreeable men, women chose their mates, the more disagreeable you are the less compassionate and generous you are, why do women pick disagreeable men, in one city they had a summer of love, so everyone is agreeable, do the psychopaths come out at night, agreeable people share, women have to protect their infants, they need men who can guard, if a man is too masculine they can't communicate, you have to hold the psychopaths down, they are at 3%, the Left says hierarchies are nothing but power, tough men are tougher than tough women, are we going to look at this straightforward and clearly?'
[Holy crap Dave, did Peterson just claim he is looking at this straightforward and clearly, after a pointless and chaotic rambling that goes from how many antifa there are to women are more agreeable to the summer of love? Help me out Dave, reply to this comment. What precisely is Peterson's point here? Antifa exists or it doesn't exist? Women are more agreeable? I don't think that is true and of course it has absolutely nothing to do with antifa. The Left says hierarchies are nothing but power? Not true. JP made that up. How many Peterson's does it take to unscrew a lightbulb? One, but he does it by rotating the entire house in the opposite direction.]
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