Comments by "Tim Bucks" (@TimBitts649) on "Supporting Trump & Being Politically Incorrect (Pt. 2) | Mike Cernovich | POLITICS | Rubin Report" video.
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The problem is women. They are wired differently than are men. They are emotional and try to impose their political will, their sensitivities of the moment, on the rest of the population. And the internet and chat rooms brings us together into a "Global Village".....as Marshall McLuhan suggested it would. Feminists and social justice warriors are mostly females. They don't believe in free speech, they don't believe in honest disagreement. They think everything has got to be one way: their way....and they think everyone should be in one pack, one group, and they want to enforce that groups pack-norms. What a fucked up way to build a culture. Free speech is under attack from feminists and social justice warriors who are too dumb, too bigoted to have real tolerance, and to know that conflicting opinions are part of the creative process in human beings, how we change and debate and move on....they take dumbness to a whole new level and can't even comprehend their own stupidity, and small mindedness. Which means the politically correct ideas of today could prove to be, in the future, pure bullshit that we will eventually reject. These people, mostly women, (not all) turn everything into a religion, and all must believe, and they take it on themselves to enforce their morality and views on others. No thanks. Of course, most women are not like that....it's just the 20% of women who are feminists and SJWarriors are the insane cancer on society. And since everyone wants to get into their pants, sane people listen to these fools. I've seen this kind of herd mentality before, in the sickest fundamentalist religions, I once belonged to. I rejected that kind of oppressive enforced belief system in the past, and I reject it now. it's just a way that stupid people can control others. I'm not stupid, I won't be controlled.
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They brought up the old question: Is Obama a Muslim? Let me put that, to rest: Yes he is.....a cultural Muslim....Fact: when he was young he went to a Muslim school, with religious training. Fact: what you learn as a child affects you deeply, for your entire life. Fact: The Catholics have a saying, "Give me a child for the first 12 years of his life, and you can have him forever, for even if he leaves, he will always be a Catholic.".... If you ask Obama, are you a Muslim, he will say "no"....that's the rational part of the man......but in his heart, his emotions, the deepest part of him.....Obama was, is, will always be.....a Muslim.
I have a brother who was raised a Baptist. He now calls himself ''an atheist"'.....yet if you get to know the guy, know his mind, it's freaking obvious that Christianity imprinted on him deeply, as a child. The rational part of him is an atheist. The emotional part of him is Christian. My brother is "a cultural Christian"
Obama? 100% Cultural Muslim......till the day he dies.
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***** The problem with your point of view is that Catholics don't teach you to molest children, and only a few sick priests do that.....and everyone hates them. Religion teaches a lot of lesson from the Bible based on good things, that accord in harmony with the nicer aspirations of human nature. Love, compassion, kindness, belief in a supernatural power that cares about you....woven into a set of beliefs contained within a Catholic narrative. We humans evolved with primal wiring that makes these messages resonate with us, and that is why we accept Catholic teaching, based on them, and that's why they stay with us. With sexual perversion, it's the opposite effect. Most of us are wired with a complete abhorrence and revulsion for that kind of thing.
So when it happens within the Catholic community, it reinforces group disgust at that behavior, it doesn't encourage it.....quite the opposite, which you think, when you said, "Therefore all Catholics are pedophiles"
....dude, that's just retarded. Life and humans don't work like that. Forget "logic" for a moment. Does my answer "feel" right? Of course it does, cause it's right, and you know it.
And, by the way, I could care less if Obama is a cultural Muslim. What's the big deal? I've known Muslim people since the 1980s. Most are quite nice people, and the ones I've known well are very well educated, successful people....professionals. So for me, there is no stigma, in calling someone a "cultural Muslim".
Maybe for you there is a stigma? If being Muslim is a problem for you, that's your problem, not mine.
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You are being ridiculous in order to avoid the truth, that is obvious when you say, "I would debate whether Catholic dogma includes molesting children".....of course it does not, and you know it. However, you almost put your finger on something close to that, which happens to be true: Within the Catholic Church, there is, or has been, a group of sexually perverted priests, who have been allowed to continue, after the truth has gotten out, and the Catholic leadership, in order to save face, has transferred these people around, and covered up these crimes. That much is true and obvious, and not that far from what you are saying, but no, molesting children is not part of Catholic theology. You are obviously exaggerating, to make a point or something.
Yes Obama was raised mostly by his Mom and his grandmother, in the U.S. Quite true. One thing I noticed one time was the church that Obama attended, as an adult, with Jeremiah Wright, it has a large number of Muslim or former people who attend there. Coincidence? Hardly. You have put a finer point, on what I just said, when you emphasized his Christian heritage, as well.
What's the truth? Both. Obama is a mixture of Christian and Muslim background.....I guess "bi-religious" might be a useful term to invent. He is neither purely Muslim, nor Christian, but a mix of two, in his emotional mind.....and likely atheist or agnostic, in his rational mind, in my opinion.
Obama once said, in public, that the Muslim call to prayer was the most beautiful sound on earth. That is likely a harking back to his boyhood days in a mosque or Muslim school where he attended in Indonesia, if I remember right. I also have very sentimental memories of the churches of my childhood, and just love seeing white churches, and church bells ringing.....like in that Johnny Cash song, "Sunday Morning Sidewalk", that refers to memories lost, and nostalgia for religious memories of childhood. A beautiful song.
I know why everyone avoided the subject till now. They did not want to give ammo to the Religious Right, who claimed he was a Muslim. However, now that his term is ending we can all start to be a little more honest. The truth is mixed, and subtle.
He's partly Muslim, partly Christian, partly agnostic or atheist. A complicated, intelligent modern man, and a pretty good President, in my opinion.
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Well, I agree with most of that....good analysis of Catholic behavior, at it's worst. I've seen mostly the good side of religion, and have very fond memories of early Baptists in my life, they were very, very good people, but from what I know of the Catholic Church, I think you are right.
Allan Jackson's song, "Small Town Southern Man" comes the closest I can think, to my early religious Baptist experience.
..I have no proof, but I suspect the same sort of abusive and sick things goes on in Muslim religious circles, as Catholic...likely for similar sick reasons. I have seen enough pictures of 50 year old Muslim Afghan men marrying 9 year old Muslim girls, to believe that.
As to your comment that claims that I say that "Obama has been running a 40+ year conspiracy"....I make no such claims. There is no conspiracy, there is only a downplaying of the early religious influences in his life, for political advantage. And that is really the only thing that bothers me in his Muslim past: his dishonesty in not really "owning" his heritage. I would have been much more comfortable with a lot more candor.
This whole thing reminds me of the old days, when people used to hide their sexuality.
I don't think it's a big deal, to have a Muslim past. My Muslim friends tell me that the prophets in Islam read like a "who's who" of the old Testament.....most of the Hebrew prophets are in there, as is Abraham, as is Jesus Christ. Islam, I'm sure you are aware, is pretty much, sister religion to Christianity, from an historical perspective.
Which means, it's no big deal, in my opinion....that Obama had early Muslim influence, and a Muslim father. He never embraced the radical portions of his early faith, and only embraced, the better parts.
No big deal. A hundred years from now everyone will look back and laugh, and wonder what the fuss was all about.....
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Labels? They are often useless, as they over-simplify complex things....which can create illusions... I suppose that works in this day and age of tweets.
However, people can label themselves as they choose, I have no trouble with that. If Obama wants to say he is a Christian, I'll take his word for it.
I know a Christian who used to be a Muslim. He has given me a lot of real insight into Muslim radicals, because he was around a few of them.....his knowledge comes from experience. He now identifies as a Christian. I have no problem with that, though the past is something no one really ever leaves fully behind. Even modern humans have a small part of our brain that is a vestige of our reptile past, though it is layered over, by more recently evolved parts.
However, I appreciate your thoughts. We'll call it a draw. I'm not trying to change your mind, you can believe whatever you like, as will I. Take care.
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If it came up in conversation, I would tell my Muslim friend that the past never leaves you. If you told me my friend with a Muslim past would always be part-Muslim, that would not be weird at all. I don't look at identity as fixed and solitary and only one thing. It's complex....at least in me it is. I don't find complex identities "jarring" or "disturbing"....not at all.
Just because you decide that you are going to embrace a certain set of ideas or a new identity, that doesn't erase the past....at least not in me it doesn't. I'm fine with identity being complex and confusing, as opposed to simple.
My lady works with a woman whose husband is a tranny. My reaction? So what?...not a big deal. I'm sure his/her identity is very complex. I think lots of people have complex identities. Humans are complex creatures, that's the way it is, at least all the ones I know....full of multiple identities, and multiple, often contradictory personality trends, and even contradictory beliefs at times....that's just the way life is, I think.
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"he's wrong"....you keep trying to simplify everything I say down to one point.....which is missing the entire point of what I'm saying....identity is not just one thing, 100% this or that.
As to "He Who Decides"...."supreme label-judge"....your comments about me: boy are you wrong. I'm deciding for myself, what to believe about other people. I'm not deciding for you. I'm not deciding for him. I'm not deciding for anyone else....just me.
And to repeat myself, you can believe anything you want. One thing you aren't getting is: I don't care what you believe....in the sense that everyone gets to decide for themselves in the end. My meaning is not being imposed on you, or anyone else.
I get to decide what I think is true, as do you.
Why is this even an issue? You seem to act like there has to be one final answer, one way of looking at this? bs to that, I say....believe what you want. This is not science, it's opinion. Anyone following this conversation can decide to believe me, or believe you, or think we are both full of it....and you know what? If that's what they think, I don't care....they are entitled to their opinion.
You are reacting to me as though you think I'm trying to force my opinion on you. That's the opposite of the truth. Did you ever in your life say, "OK, whatever dude. Believe what you believe, I'll believe what I believe...we are getting nowhere....good bye and have a nice day"
...life is easier that way. I see foolish liberals and foolish conservatives both trying to impose their meaning and interpretations, on people with different interpretations, of things that need interpretation. Both think things can only be one way. Hogwash.....live and let live.
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