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@streaky81 We didn't get everything we wanted, now if you were talking about the EU getting what they wanted, well fair enough but think about it, the UK economy is a service based economy which accounts for about 80% of the economy, the EU give little to nothing on that to the UK while's the EU managed to have good access to the UK market in other areas, that's a very good deal for the EU.
Then they also have access to UK waters regarding fish for 5.5 years, I think we know it's going to be extended in 5.5 years from now, then we have Northern Ireland and Gibraltar that are closely tied to EU rules with Scotland wanting the same thing, that's either going to fragment the UK union or put a lot of pressure on UK governments to stay in line with EU rules to keep the UK union together.
This deal is a lot better than expected for the EU and likely all because they called Boris's bluff which backed fired on him, after all, this deal is even worse than the deal May could have got.
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@streaky81 By all means, keep deluding yourself, it's in black and white in those legal documents what both the EU and UK got, it doesn't paint a pretty picture for the UK but lets be honest, Brexiteers have been deluding themselves from 4 years ago from 350 million to the NHS, to the UK holds all the cards, to the EU would fail without the UK, that the EU would buckle to UK demands, that some EU members would help the UK out because of self-interest, none of this happened, the UK got a raw deal and now the government is trying to paint it as a good deal, it's no wonder the UK is looking like a joke to the rest of the world.
But don't worry, reality is upon us so you can bullshit all you want, it's not going to change reality no matter how much you want it to do.
But I have to admit, it's really sad how so many can delude themselves so much but then that's why Brexiteers are not as successful in life and you only have to look at the regions that voted for Brexit the most, they are mostly the poorer regions in the UK and yet thoes poor saps honestly think the UK government is going to give them hands out when we both know they don't care about them as it's all about the south for them.
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Valerie Watson Icehole? that's a new one, did you spend some time thinking about that one or was it a natural gift? lol.
As for the EU failing, how many times do euroseptics have to be proven wrong on that for them to get it in their head that's it's not failing, they've been saying that for decades on the EU and Euro and it just keeps getting stronger and stronger.
There's a difference in wanting something to fail and it failing, one is based on reality, the other is wishful thinking, I'm sure you know which camp you are in.
What's funny is you saying it's a dictatorship, if you look at the EU system closely, it's more democratic than the UK system is.
Why would they crush any member that wants to leave? any can leave at any time they want but they can't expect to get the same benefits of EU membership like the UK wanted, I think you are confusing the UK getting a bad deal because the EU didn't bend and give them the same kind of benefits that EU members get, that would be like joining a gym and then leaving but expecting to get the same benefits lol.
The reality is, support for the EU has been growing since Brexit started and a number of reason why that is the case, Brexit being the clear one, Trump aggressive nature and Putin playing games, they all played right into the hand of EU unity in that even some of the popularise movements around Europe that wanted to leave the Euro, don't want to any more, in that sense, I thank you Brexiteers, Trump and Putin, you've been a good friend to the EU even thought you don't realize it lol.
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@jonathanwilliams1776 It's not really about outvoting the Labour Party, we all knew it was going to pass regardless of what Labour does, this is about dragging the Labour Party down which the Tories will try to do if Brexit goes sour.
Basically, Labour supporting this deal will make it much harder for them to pin a lot of the problems that Brexit brings up on the Tories without the Tories spinning it around on Labour and saying they supported this deal.
Now I'm not saying labour should have voted against the deal as that wouldn't work but I think thier best option was to stay out of it to make sure the Tories own that mess.
In any case, as deals go, this deal is worse than I expected, it's even worse than the deal that May had about 2 years ago, the EU more or less got what they want whiles giving the UK very little, they kept access to UK waters, trade in goods whiles more or less not giving anything on financial services, a very sweet deal for the EU, they also kept Northern Ireland close to the EU with Gibraltar and Scotland wanting to be close to the EU, the UK is even paying in the EU pot whiles having to abide many of their rules.
The Problem is, this deal is only going to dawn on people how bad it really is when it's too late.
In any case, it will be interesting to see how the next 2 years turn out because I suspect this isn't the end of Brexit by a long shot with how this deal has been set up.
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@zenoist2 The question is, why do you hate the EU so much? if you ask most Brexiteers on why they hate it, most can't give a clear answer and many that do, get it wrong as the issue they complain about is a national issue that has little to nothing to do with the EU, it's shocking how many times I've heard Brexiteers complain about something on the EU that had nothing to do with them as that power was with national goverments.
The truth is, the reason so many in the UK hate the EU is because they've been programmed to hate it with decades of manipulation in the media, after all, say a lie enough times, a lot of people will buy into it without even checking to see if it's true, that's where Brexit really went wrong.
The real interesting part is what happens after Brexit as the lies start to get exposed and things don't get better but in fact get worse, that's when the real problems could kick off because the government could have a fight on it's hand from both Brexiteers and Remainders.
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@karlnadin1554 Come on, let's not kid ourselves, this was never aimed squirely at just the EU, it was aimed at those pesky foreigners from immigrations to jobs they take, just to them being different, we see it all the time in the media, from the government and from many of the British people, it's a superiority complex thats going on where many Brits think they are better than everyone else, I'm born and breed in the UK and lived here all my life and can see that, especially in the northern part of England and is it any wonder when the media pumps up the British people at every chance they get with a lot of crap that isn't even true.
What makes it even worse is how many of the Brexiteers want to form a kind of deal with Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the message that sends around the world is loud and clear, the real question is, why would the Canada and New Zealand want any point of it? Australia I can understand with the Murdoch press over there, they'll fit in perfectly but the others, not likely lol.
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@streaky81 The point is, that money was never available for the NHS, Brexit is a net lose that there's a better chance of budget cuts not money being thrown around, but the government might splash the cash early on to make a good impression but in the end, it's mostly going to be debt money that the young have to pay off, basically, there is no real dividends from Brexit, only loss, the question is, how long will it take us before it dawn on the country what's been lost.
The UK wanted full control over UK waters, that got watered down by the EU where they have great access to UK waters for the next 5.5 years which will likely be extended at that time, the UK only got access to the EU market in trade terms on goods because the EU sells a lot to the UK market, they didn't give us anything on what the UK really wanted which was financial services and as that makes up 80% of the UK economy, that's a major blow to the UK and a big coup for the EU to steal business away from the UK.
How about Northern Ireland? For the most part, they are following EU rules, they are in the single market and overall they are on better terms than the rest of the UK, how about Gibraltar, they are mostly an EU member for the most part, in fact they are even in the Schengen zone, the UK has never been in that lol, how about Scotland? They passed a law that wants to mirror EU rules in areas that they can.
So tell me, how does that mean the UK got a good deal? lol.
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@Martyntd5 Maybe but I doubt the Conservatives would vote against it, even with it being a bad deal for them, this has been the moment they've been waiting for so they would likely vote threw any deal regardless of how bad it is and try to deal with the fall out afterwords as their main aim was leaving the EU at any cost.
As for Labour, they might have set themselves up for a fall here, before this vote, they could have used Brexit to hammer the message home to the people of how much of a mess Brexit is and really hit the Tories hard but by voting for it, the Tories can simple turn around and tell the people that Labour also supported it, that takes a lot of the sting out of it for the Tories, also, if Labour did vote against it, all the major parties in the UK will have voted against it and if Brexit did go sour, it would have been owned by the Conservative Party whiles being hard to argue against that.
Another factor is this is playing into the hands of all the other parties that didn't vote it through, especially the SNP because they will use every inch of damage that Brexit does to us to push for independence.
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@streaky81 Yes but the point is, 350 million per week was never going to the NHS, at least not from that money because that was more or less the total money we paid into the EU pot, it never took into account the rebate or the money that we put into the EU that ends up back into the UK and it's quite a lot of money.
There is a good chance that a lot of that money that did go into UK regions from the EU won't go in after Brexit or will get watered down with hard times ahead, especially with the northern regions which the Tories never care about.
In any case, the real one the UK can't afford to lose and which seems the most likely to lose is Scotland, if the UK loses them, that would be seen as a disaster for Brexit and quite humiliating for the UK, the land mass of the UK would be sliced by 40%, the population by around 5 million and the economy by around 200 billion, now I know Brexiteers might not care as they are single-minded but it would be bad for the UK, it would also give that little England term some real meaning.
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@stephenobrien5909 Condescending goes both ways, Brexiteers have been awful over the last 4 years, I treat them as they treat others, they are quite happy to change on that one.
As for wages, they are going to fall anyway regardless of Brexit, they are still going to be flooded also, after all, have you not noticed that immigration numbers are not coming down even thought a lot less from the EU are coming in?, it's being balanced out by the rest of the world, Brexit was never about lowering those numbers, it was all about deregulation, lowering standards and all that, after all, why do you think the UK made such a fuss over the level playing field? if the UK wanted to have higher standards, they should have a problem with that but it's a major problem if they want to lower standards and that is what this is all really about.
So don't be too surprised if the government in time tries to lower workers rights, food standards and take other benefits away as that is what you really voted for which is ironic because it hits the Brexiteers the hardest but then, politics is always about the art of getting people to vote for things that are not in their interest and in this case, they've succeeded on that.
As for the British industry, it was the Tories that killed that going all the way back to the 80's lol, that had little to nothing to do with the EU.
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@Martyntd5 Actually, the reality is, they were voting for the given deal which I should point out is worse than the deal May got and which Bo Jo voted down, the alternative to voting against that deal would have been more talking for a better deal, the reality is, the UK has been sold out, the EU more or less got what it wanted but let's be honest, Brexit wasn't really about the interest of the British people, it was always ideology, hence why common sense rarely works on those people, what does work in letting them have what they want only to see how wrong they got it, unfortunately the innocent pays the price for that too.
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@Martyntd5 3 days into Brexit means nothing, we are talking at least a month before the supple lines go back to normal, remember that a lot of companies were stock Pilling a lot of goods ahead of Brexit just in case, we'll get a clearer picture in February onwards but we should also remember that Brexit is a slow puncture of damage to the UK.
As for the pound climbing, that's only because of stability, regardless of good or bad deal, more businesses just wanted to know where they stood on this, now they know, that is a far cry from saying this deal is a good one, after all, the German stack market has double over the UK once since the Brexit vote, that gives you an indications on where the money is flowing, the UK market has been one of the worse performer over the last 4 years.
As for getting what you wanted, you got access to where the EU wanted, the EU manufactures a lot more than the UK, they wanted easy access to the UK market but they didn't give the UK easy access to financial services which accounts for 80% of the UK economy, the reason the UK didn't get that is because the EU saw this as a golden opening to steal a lot of business away from the UK, the EU also got access to UK waters, they kept the UK more or less in line with EU rules where it counts, especially on level playing field, this is a really good deal for the EU, better than I even expected and what's laughable about all this, May's deal was better than this deal, the reason the deal got worse in time was because of Boris and arrogance, the EU got tougher on the UK so we ended up with a worse deal than we could have got, that's the reality of it.
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@Martyntd5 I never said the pound would crash but lets be honest, the value isn't great from where it was before the Brexit vote.
I never said we would be sent back to the stone age and as for banks, that will be a slow trickle which has already been happening since the Brexit vote.
I also never said they would be chaos, remember, Brexit isn't about that, it's like a slow puncture of decline, some might not even notice it for a decade or two.
I never said there would be a shortage of medicines but there is a fair chance that goods will cost more across the board, in fact that's already happening.
Also never said anything on traffic jams even thought there were some.
Never said anything on food shortage, but some food has been in low supple or hard to get hold off.
Now be honest with yourself, either you are mistaking me for someone else or you are bullshitting because you said a lot of things about me that I never even said lol, hence why I'm thinking you've mistaken me for someone else lol.
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@Martyntd5 Which would have been a better deal for us then what we got, you make it seem like being in the custom union is a bad deal lol, also being under the ECJ would make sure the Tories can't water down worker's rights, food standards and so on.
This has nothing to do with accepting if I am wrong or right, this is about looking at the reality of the deal, it's far worse than what was promised by the Brexiteers, it's actually worse than I expected and better for the EU than I expected them to get, the EU are laughing their arses off at people like you that bought into this being a good deal.
Also, we didn't get access to the single market, there is still a lot of red tape when trading with the EU and we still don't have access to financial services which account for 80% of the economy, in that sense, we almost got a no deal Brexit lol.
Also, we do pay into the EU pot but it's on a project to project basis, I think we both know there's a fair chance the UK will sign up to more in the future as governments change and mostly because of self-interest, either way, the EU have got us into a position where we are abiding a lot of their rules without having any say in them, we are rule takers, that's the reality of it and if you want to see that, watch as the EU comes up with new laws and regulations and how quickly the UK rubber stamps them, that's when it will dawn on you that you have been had lol or maybe not because Brexiteers will see what they want to see regardless of reality lol.
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@Martyntd5 So what was the point of all this if you didn't mean me directly when it came across that you did?
In any case, what is the actual point in all this, we're never going to agree with each other so it's best to agree to disagree and move on wouldn't you agree?
And for the record, I'm not a remainder or Brexiteer, I like to see things for how they are regardless of if I like it or now and in the case of Brexit, things don't look good but I hope I am wrong but I rarely am on these things, more or less everything over the last 4 years on Brexit has come true and now I suspect Scotland will leave the UK at some point over the next 5 years.
As for the vote to leave, it was mainly based on lies, many faults promises were made that we would be better off, now it's time for the government to deliver on those lies and if they can't which I suspect they can't, things could turn quite quickly against Brexit that we could rejoin the EU much sooner then some think, after all, it's very easy to lie, it's another story to keep that lie going once it comes to delivering and that's the real problem the government and Brexiteers face now.
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@Martyntd5 I'm British born and bread, but I didn't vote on the first vote as I thought Brexit would never happen like many others thought, if we did have another vote, I would have voted to remain and I know many others that had the same views, hence why Brexiteers were so hostile towards the idea of having a second vote and wanted an election as that was much easier to split the votes which is what happened.
As for how you voted and being happy with it, give it time, we've hardly even started Brexit yet, it will take at least a few months to start feeling the impact of it and longer term, that's likely to get worse, I'll give you a hint, keep a close eye on labour laws, food standards and other things like that's as there is good chance they will get watered down, hence the big fuss from the government on level playing field, after all, think about it, if they planned on keeping high standards for us, they wouldn't have made such a song and dance over the level playing field, they did so because they wanted to water them down and in fact, if you look at Tory history over the last few decades, they've tried to water down workers rights a few times only for the EU to put a stop to it.
Without the EU in the way, there's a fair chance these things will get watered-down in time, the spanning in the works for the UK government is the clauses in the deal that the EU can punish the UK if we try to do that, the irony being is that the EU is protecting workers rights and food standards by making it difficult for the UK to lower them lol.
Even if it's not about money and was all about sovereignty, where is your sovereignty with the deal the UK got? They still have to abide most EU rules without a say in them just to be on good trade terms with them, when the UK tries to do a deal with the US, the same will happen there, real sovereignty is a myth in today's global interconnected world, the truth is, the big players like the EU and US makes most of the international rules and regulations and most have to follow them, in other world, we've become a rule taker and if you don't think so, watch very closely how a lot of the rules and regulations in the UK end up mirroring EU rules, maybe that's when the penny will drop.
So not only are we worse off but in sovereignty terms, we are actually weaker by the deal we got because we have to abide by a lot of rules without having a say in them, very sweet deal for the EU but a bad one for the UK.
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@Martyntd5 I agree that I should have voted and that was my mistake, voting should be made mandatory as it impacts everyone, but unfortunately, the government doesn't want that because usually with higher turn outs, it's harder to push more radical agendas like Brexit.
Beside, who said anything about complaining, I'm having the time of my life with what's coming up, it will be the Brexiteers that will have something to complain about when reality starts to bite them on their arse, after all, they tend to be less educated and not that well off, perfectly primed for Brexit to hit them, it's less impactful on upper middle class and richer people as it has little impact on them, Brexit will hit the middle lower class and poor the most which ironically is a lot of Brexiteers as most are angry by getting left behind by the system, now they have a lot more to look forward too with Brexit and the hardship of the pandemic and who will those people blame, well they'll blame everyone else but themselves, it's sad to watch.
But hey, who cares, I'm well off enough that Brexit has little impact on me, it's people like you it hits the most.
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@Martyntd5 It wasn't 80% lol, it was high but it wasn't that high lol, in fact, have any turns out been that high for any elections?
I don't blame anyone, in all honesty, Brexit has little to no impact on me but I do like to defend the stupid in the world even thought many don't deserve it.
In any case, I do find it funny how Brexiteers are still frantic about the EU even thought the UK is out of the EU, there is a clear reason for that, Brexit will be seen as a massive failure if the EU is still around and growing, the UK will be seen as that little country in Europe that gets sidelined, hence why the Brexiteers keep ranting and raving about the EU even after Brexit.
In any case, you should be more worried about Scotland and Northern Ireland, the set is all in play for them to diverge away from the UK and more towards the EU and with that, I've got to hand it to the EU, they played a right blinder on the UK government with this deal, the real question is, when does the penny drop for Brexiteers? Probably awhile off because they are painting victory in defeat in almost everything with Brexit, it's laughable if not sad to see but hey, can't beat reality and that is the only thing that matters.
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@hattix7233 For a market that hasn't grown, it's remarkable how they have some of the highest standards of living around the world and come close to the top in many other measures.
As for the protectionist racket, don't be a fool, all big powers do that, the US does it and they do that because they can, they have bigger muscles than the smaller players and they like to flex those muscles, that's just the way the world is as the UK is going to find out with it's dealings with the EU, US and China, hence why most international laws, rules and regulations are dictated too by the EU and US.
Now I'm not saying I like that because I don't, but it is what it is and I'm not going to delude myself like Brexiteers do to think otherwise.
Now your next argument is 90% of future growth is outside the EU, the problem is with that argument is that it's always done in isolation as if the UK is the only one doing that, the truth is, EU countries have that also, in fact they have it better because of the trade deals they have and the extra clout the EU gives them in getting better terms for them around the world which gives them a competitive advantage over British companies.
It's too much of a simpleton way of looking at things in a bubble that Brexiteers see things.
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@karlnadin1554 Actually it is and if you live in the UK from region to region, you even get to see it first hand, the south part of the UK has far less of a problem with it but then they are much more multicultural whereas if you go to the north of England or Wales, it's a difference store, there is far less multicultural going on, hence the votes on Brexit by the different regions.
But then I don't really blame the people as such, it's the media thats manipulated things so much for their own ends, many of the people, especially in the northern regions bought it and many did so because they wanted it to be true.
The irony in all that, it's the northern England regions and Wales that are likely going to be the hardest hit by Brexit and going on Tory tradition in not caring about the north, I doubt they can expect any help from this Tory government, especially with money being tight because of this pandemic and Brexit, throw in the threat of Scotland leaving the UK, the north part of England and Wales could be left out in the cold as they don't really matter to this government that only cares about the south and now maybe they care about Scotland because of the threat of independence, but in truth, they don't care about the Scots but they don't want them to leave as that would look really bad for the UK.
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@ietomos7634 Technically, both are true, depending on where you live, either way, what does it matter?
Trade will continue as normal but mostly because we are mostly following EU rules but now just rubber-stamping them, after all, use your nogging, do you really think the EU would give that level of access to trade unless we followed their rules? Remember in the legal documents that there are tough rules in there that the EU could come down like a ton of bricks on the UK if we break them.
Also, lets not forget that this deal does little to nothing for services which account for 80% of the British economy, if the UK was a big manufacturing economy, this deal wouldn't be so bad but I'm sure you know how this game is played, if the UK was to become a manufacturing economy, the EU would change the rules to counter that, they've basically done the deal that works for them, keep trade in goods with little restriction because it works for them to sell to us with little getting in the way but when it comes to services, the EU saw a big opening to steal a lot of business away from the UK and they went for it.
But I have to admit, I didn't think the EU would get such a good deal, I mean, I always knew they held all the cards and would get a better deal than the UK would but I didn't think it would be this good for them and I think the reason it's so good for the EU is because Boris bluffed to the last moment, the EU called his bluffed and then the UK had to make a lot more concession than we normally would have to do.
Or let's put it another way, this deal is worse for the UK than the deal that May got with the EU but it was voted down, basically, by the UK pushing to the clock, it made us a lot more desprate and we ended up giving up more than we had to do and all the EU had to do is hold their ground, call our bluff and sit back and it worked better than expected for the EU.
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