Comments by "Paul Aiello" (@paul1979uk2000) on "The EU's Trade Deal with Japan: How They Reached a Deal u0026 Was it Successful? - TLDR News" video.
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@MrJaaaaake I always find it funny how people see product prices, I lived in the EU and the US over the years and living standards are quite close with the exception of one thing, Europeans are looked after a lot better, especially the poor and middle classes, as for product price, the US has sales tax and yet even with all that, Americans don't get a lot of the benefits we Europeans take for granted, I mean, did you know that calling out an ambulance can cost you anywhere from $500 to $2500 depending in which state you live in, a service that we see as free in Europe and this is the case for so many areas, it's a culture shock when I was in the US in how bad they do some things.
So by your logic, because the EU has high energy standards on making good products, you see that as a bad thing? lol, have you ever wondered why energy on a lot of products have gone down a lot over the last 2 decades? that's the EU effect on the world stage and everyone around the world benefits by that.
Then you go on about German cars and yet they are rated as some of the best cars in the world, Japan was up there but they've been cheaping out on a lot of the materialise they use, especially on the inside of the cares.
I suggest you do your research on many things because you are factually wrong on so many things you are saying.
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@perry714. The EU is just humering us in the UK, for all the ranting and raving and threats to walk away, the UK keeps talking, the EU isn't stupid, they know the UK can't afford to walk away hence why they keep talking, the threats are in the hope of getting the EU to back down and offer better terms but the EU sees that and are only offering crumbs.
At the end of the day, Brexiteers and the UK government honestly thought these talks were on equal ground lol, they were never, the EU is the one dictating the terms because they are the bigger power, the UK doesn't like that hence all the ranting but it doesn't change that fact, this is why the UK keeps backing down whereas the EU isn't, theres no reason for the EU to change on that because they know the UK needs the EU a lot more than the EU needs the UK, especially now a brain drain is happening in the UK.
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@perry714. Actually you can, the UK could have walked at any time but choose not too, the rest from the UK is to see will the EU blink and give the UK what it wants, that's been the main game of the UK since Brexit started, doesn't seem to be working because every time that blink moment happens, the UK is the one that backs down to what the EU wants, expect more of that near the end of the year.
Besides, even if no deal happens, that's not the end of Brexit, the UK will still want a good deal with the EU, the only difference is that the EU will have a stronger hand than it already has with the UK fully out of the EU and on top of that, the pandemic economic hardship is likely to kick in from next year.
The next 5 years is going to be very interesting to see.
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@perry714. It doesn't work that way, look at how the UK has done negotiating with the EU over the last few years, they wait till the last possible moment before caving in, they've done it a few times already, they hope the EU will back down at the last moment but the EU never does, at least not in any meaningful way, that puts the UK in a tight bind because like it or not, we need a deal, more so now because of the pandemic.
That transition period is just that, just to see if we can get a deal but there is nothing stopping the UK from walking away apart from the damage it would do to the UK, the EU isn't holding the UK to ransom, the UK is choosing to continue to talk and for good reason too.
As for the fishing rights, if the EU doesn't have access to British waters than the UK won't have access to EU waters, it goes both ways, more important is that the UK sells most of its fish to the EU market, the EU can get tough on that and make it less appealing to buy from the UK, now I know what you are going to say, you'll sell to others, good luck on that because most established markets like the US won't want the UK muscling in and most other countries are poorer ones so you won't be able to ask for the same price, the EU is the logical market to sell too and that gives the EU clout in that area, in the end, I suspect both the EU and UK will have access to each other's waters on more or less the same term we have now once the bluster ends.
You do realize that even without a trade deal, the EU is still going to be by far the UK's biggest trading partner, it just means UK consumers are paying more for those same goods whereas the EU companies will cut the UK out of the supple chain because they can, the EU market is big enough that they can source from other areas internally without having to worry about tariffs and red tape, the UK market isn't big enough so they have to depend on others, that's where the EU knows they have us and are holding all the cards.
At the end of the day, the UK had a very good deal in the EU with so many op-outs and still wasn't happy about it and wanted more, it's just pure arrogance from the British side, I'm very happy that the UK lost all of that.
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Alfa&Omega 00000 I think the UK trade with the EU accounts to about 14% whereas for the EU, the UK trade with the EU is close to 50%, the can afford to take that hit a lot more than the UK can, especially because of economy of scale, EU companies can source things from others in the EU market, the UK isn't big enough to be able to do that effectively, worse yet is that the EU still has all it's trade deal and bilateral deals around the world, the UK doesn't next year, this is why the EU is holding all the cards and why the UK needs to keep blustering it's way through with threats that mean nothing to the EU, the UK has little leverage and they know it, hence the aggressive attitude.
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@SimulationEvolve I can't say what the Japanese think of the EU but that is irrelevant, what matters is that the geo-political situation is changing around the world, the US is becoming more unstable, less reliable and more aggressive, the UK has lost the plot, China is on a power trip, the EU looks to be the only big power that isn't losing it's cool, any wonder why Japan and Canada speeded up it's talks with the EU on those free trade deals? They want to be less exposed to the US and are trying to make friends around the world, the EU is a logical choice considering the size of the economy.
That's also bad news for the UK that countries are thinking like that because it also likely means they won't give the UK better terms than they can to the EU because they don't want to get on the wrong side of the EU and don't want the EU to re-open trade talks to get better terms out of them, in the end, they value the EU a lot more than they value the UK.
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@meeau Another 4 years of Trump would do a lot more damage to the US then what some think, think about it, have you ever wondered why China is going easy on the US for now? from there point of view, they don't need to get tough with the US when an election is so close as that can change a lot, if Trump was to win it, China will likely get a lot tougher on the US.
Then we have Canada and Japan, since Trump got into power, both countries speeded up their trade deal with the EU, they clearly want to be less exposed to the US and are looking for other friends, the EU being an easy option, if two of the most loyal countries are pulling away from the US then the US is in trouble.
Then we have the UK which doesn't seem to know what it wants and even they seem to be distancing themselves from the US which is a surprise considering the UK will need the US more than every after leaving the EU with Brexit next year.
Then we have the EU, Trump seems to be going out of his way to push Europeans away from Americans, the sad thing is, Trump is weakening the west and making it easy for China to take more power, the EU and US really need to get closer together with an aggressive China on the rise because honestly, I don't think either are powerful enough to take on China with how quickly they are rising but both together would stand a chance as they would likely get a lot of other countries onboard.
If Biden wins and tries to repair ties around the world, especially with the EU and tries to calm things down with China, then the US might be alright but if they are still hostile, a new Cold War could start with the US and China and it's looking more like the Europeans and many others will stay out of it and let the two fight it out, that would be a lot more costly for the US.
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@thedave7760 The irony being is that is what the Republicans have been doing the last few years lol.
As for if Trump wins, who really cares, I'm European so it matters little to me but going on what I'm seeing, it looks favourable for Biden to win, besides, think of the message that would send to the rest of the world if Trump wins again, people can be forgiven for doing a mistake once, do it again and a lot of the world will turn away from the US at a time the US can't afford with its new Cold War building with China, we are already seeing signs of that already, especially from the Europeans, Canada and Japan, even the UK seems colder on US relations then they usually are.
Basically, the US can't afford another Trump victory as that would likely change a lot of the geo-political alliances around the world, some of which is already happening and not favourable for US interest.
Beside, it doesn't look like Trump will win, all the indicators are showing that Biden could win by a landslide, the real question is, if you was a Democrat, would you actually want to win with the mess the Republicans have made, it's going to take years to repair that damage and the Democrats will likely get the blame for the mess the Republicans have made, it might be better for the Democrats to lose so that the Republicans own this mess, that would do a lot more longer term damage to them.
Dave, let him beleave in what he wants, many people do like their own delusions in how they want to see things go but truth be told, things look really bad for Trump and a clear indicator of that is him wanting to put the elections on hold, the only reason he would want to do that is because he suspects he's got little chance of winning, in any case, all the indicators from too many different sources are suggesting Biden will win and by quite a margin, hence the panic from Trump.
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@perry714. That's because the UK wants terms with the EU that are close to what the UK has whiles in the EU, the EU is willing to give that with a lot of strings attached.
If the UK wants a basic trade deal with fewer strings attached than they can have that as well but clearly the UK doesn't want that as that would be damaging to the UK economy compared to the deal we currently enjoy with the EU, that is where the real hold up is, the UK wanting more than the EU is willing to give unless the UK bends.
Also, I think you are forgetting the way this game is played, the EU holds all the cards in these talks, they can dictate whatever terms they want, they don't even have to offer the UK a Canada like deal and probably won't because of the close proximately of the EU and UK so that deal wouldn't work because of the amount of trade between the two.
You might not like it but bigger powers always dictate the terms in these talks, now it's just up to the UK to accept those terms or walk away but it's not only going to be the EU that plays hard ball, the US and many others will on the UK too, especially after Brexit as the UK will have a weaker hand against them all.
I know it's not fair but hey, what is in life? Bigger economies have the market and the clout, that gives them more of a say in dictating what they want, the UK best get used to that because others are going to do the same to the UK, the US being one of the clear ones that are already starting tough on the UK.
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@EvenWaysMusic Considering the impact free trade deals have on both sides of the economy and rule changes that are needed, those deals should take some time to do so that it doesn't harm any industry or sectors of the economy, it's easy to rush through a deal but that doesn't mean it's a good deal or it likely means it's a very one sided deal.
The UK-Japan deal is more or less the EU deal, the moment the UK tried to do it's own thing, Japan put a stop to it and likely did because they don't want to get on the wrong side of the EU, in other words, they don't want to give the UK a better deal than the one the EU has as that might open up the free trade deal they have with the EU in the EU wanting more concessions from Japan, Japan is simple rolling over the existing deal because of lack of time but after Brexit, they intend to renegotiate it in their favour because their hand will be stronger than the UK, that's how economic clout works, the UK after Brexit is a weaker player and many will take advantage of that.
At the end of the day, the likes of Japan and Canada value the EU a lot more than they do the UK simple because it's a much bigger market and more importantly, the EU, Canada and Japan are a lot closer in a lot of policy areas than where the UK is heading with Brexit.
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Galactic Minds Really and how is it more comprehensive than the deal the EU got? The moment the UK tried to get more out of the deal, Japan put it's foot down.
This deal is basiclly the EU deal rolled over because there isn't enough time to sort things out with the limited time left, Japan has already said they will renegotiate the deal at a later day, likely with the intention of getting better terms out of the UK because they know the moment the UK is out of the EU, the UK will be weaker and Japan will have a stronger hand.
But in any case, where is this comprehensive deal that's supposed to be better than the one the EU got? and more importantly, why is none of the media reporting on any of this, you would think they'll be shouting from the rooftops if it was a good deal, the truth is, the deal you think it is is just in your mind.
So who's laughing, well first japan is laughing and second the EU is laughing.
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