Comments by "Digital Nomad" (@digitalnomad9985) on "The Forgotten American Concordes - Boeing 2707 - Lockheed L-2000 SST" video.

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  2. Barrie Rodliffe - (about WW2 military aircraft) - When the US entered the war, US B-17 and the UK Lancaster, besides being capable of other missions, were the only bombers capable of bombing targets deep in Germany from bases in the UK. No 2 man bombers available at the time could perform this mission. The vital difference was that the B-17 was tasked with daylight precision bombing of individual specific targets like factories, railroad junctions, oil fields, refineries, etc. , initially without fighter support for the final leg of the mission, because no fighters had the range to escort that far. The Lancaster was employed in night raids on cities, targets large enough that you could position yourself to attack them closely enough by celestial navigation, without having to try to see invisible landmarks in a blacked-out city. The Lancaster's inferior defensive armament was not relevant to night bombing, because at this stage Germany did not have night fighters and they faced only flack (on clear nights when the searchlights got lucky). Obviously, a ton of bombs delivered on a specific chosen target is worth more than a ton of bombs labelled "To whom it may concern". These precise daylight raid targets usually were surrounded by infrastructure, worker residential areas, etc., so on the whole, the daylight bombing raid's "misses" had about the same material effect on the war as the nightly bombing raids "hits". By your account, when the UK considered getting into the daylight bombing action, they considered doing it with B-17s, not with Lancasters, because Lancasters did not have the defensive firepower that mission required. It is meaningless to compare any other contemporary allied bomber with the B-17 series, because it was (and is) conceded that no other contemporary bomber could perform it's primary mission (until the introduction of the B-29). After the introduction of the P-51, and before advances on the western European front made forward fighter bases possible, for the first time it became possible for fighters, in shifts, to escort bombers all the way to Germany from bases in the UK. The Spitfire had a role in this rotation, but no fighter could stay WITH the bomber formation all the way because the bomber's cruising speed at load was less than any fighter's ferry speed so a fighter escorting heavy bombers guzzled fuel. So the escort was arranged in shifts throughout the raid, each subsequent shift flying from the UK to a rendezvous at the fighter's ferry speed, slowing to relieve the previous shift in escort . The only fighter capable of escorting the bombers on the crucial farthest leg of the raid from UK bases all the way into Germany and back to a rendezvous with another shift, even with drop tanks, was the P-51 you maligned. The Supermarine Spitfire, an excellent fighter without a doubt, excelled at decimating German fighters and bombers in the Battle of Britain, in a defensive role in which range was largely irrelevant, but as the allies switched to the offensive air war, it was nevertheless largely relegated to the tactical air superiority role because of its limited range. Here are the relevant specs (the range of values is due to variants; both fighters were improved during the war): Spitfire combat range: 395- 470 mi on internal fuel. P-51 combat range: 750-1180 mi on internal fuel. Goering said after the war that he knew the war was lost when he first saw heavy bombers over Germany with fighter escort. For good and sufficient reasons, the bombers he saw were US heavies, and the fighters he saw were P-51s. The best weapons systems were constantly improved during the war, to the extent that most of the tanks and planes employed at the start could well be considered obsolete by its end. The fact that the B-17 was improved during the war is not, as you implied, evidence that it was bad. The best weapons systems were improved, the worst were discontinued if there was a replacement.
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