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I hate to break it to you, but Dubay's firmly in the Mantras For Money camp himself. His work is garbage. You can say something in a way that sounds logical all you want, but that doesn't make it true. In reality, on top of largely being plagiarized from other sources, including a man who dropped out of school at the age of 9, it mostly falls apart if you put any sort of pressure on it.
I remember when he put out a 10,000 challenge (note that these anti-science challenges are ALWAYS rigged) to prove the Earth was round, in which he promised that he would give detailed responses to would be claimers. He instead gave one-line links to his other videos, which had already been contested, and made up claims such as, and I quote "You can't learn anything about the shape of the ground beneath your feet by looking at the sky." By the way, this immeidately invalidates all Flat Earth claims about polaris and constellations not moving.
I remember watching his "Lighthouse curvature distance" video and the first thing that crossed my mind was that not one single time did he provide any evidence that they were ACTUALLY VISIBLE at those distances. He could have made it up and nobody would have questioned him.
I remember skimming through his "moon hoax" video and thinking "This is the same list of debunked garbage that every other hoax video has made and which has been disproved for 20 years. Is there not an original thought in his head?"
Here's a good reading of how committed Dubay is to the truth: has he published a public list of all of the "proofs" from his "200" proofs that are false or need to be clarified? Surely he's at least removed the unproven hearsay, the "Bla Blah Conspiracy Blah Blah Jews Are Evil" rants, the "no curvature" photograph that got caught cropping out that curvature shown in the original, and the "Faking the distance to the Moon" considering that the original creator of that, Bart Sibrel, is a con artist and got caught red-handed lying about it ten years ago (and which if true, immediately disproves Flat Earth because the claim is that the astronauts were faking the distance from orbit.)
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@3deanes958 Sorry for the slow response. I've been rather busy the last week and I'm coming home with a migraine a lot from the masks.
I won't post everything I've thought of partly because it was getting pretty long, partly because I can't be bothered to dig more and don't really care, and partly because I type my comments in another window and lost my even longer post when I had to forcibly restart the computer and am too lazy to rewrite it all. I have also lost interest a bit so am probably not going to argue with you much past this.
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I will start by saying two things. First, for fuck's sake, please show or give links to the FULL clips you are using so that I can watch them for myself, in their entirety, in their original context, without being told what to think. I'm sorry, but I'm too used to the Apollo hoaxers cherry picking details and hiding things in the clip that disproved them to trust conspiracy video editing.
Second, I have nothing to say about the jumpy picture or the swirly afterimages. I admit I have no clue what's happening in some of the artifacting clips, but do not have enough knowledge on either CGI or communication equipment to make an informed opinion of whether you are correct or if it's some sort of data corruption artifact I am not aware of so I would rather discuss topics I can reason beyond "If you say so."
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Just making sure, but you realize that these rewards are all scams, right? They're judged by an already biased party, so even if you could prove it, they'll just reject anything you said. One of the evolution ones a long time ago got caught lying about having an "Impartial Judge" when he himself was the judge and didn't even read the submissions. The point isn't to actually challenge people. It's to strut around going "Oh look, nobody managed to claim our prize, that means we're right".
One of the Flat Earthers owes Wolfie about $400,000 from a different series of $100,000 challenges. Why aren't you demanding that that guy pays up? And who can remember Eric Dubay's $10,000 challenge, where he promised "detailed" rebuttals, then chickened out with one-line links to already debunked videos and excuses such as, and I quote "You can't learn anything about the shape of the Earth beneath your feet by looking at the sky". Oh. I guess the constellations not moving isn't proof that the Earth is flat after all. The High Priest Dubay has spoken.
Fun fact, by the way, one of the students of the original Bedford Level Test performer put out a cash prize to anybody that could disprove it. When somebody did and tried to collect the prize, he was thrown in prison for making death threats.
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@Versaro And how many interviews have you actually analyzed like this and would you have even thought to have looked unless you had been told by another person that they looked "suspicious"?
Are you taking into account the fact that Armstrong had a reputation for hating interviews before he joined NASA? Becoming the most famous man in the world isn't going to make a shy withdrawn introvert suddenly like attention.
The fact that Aldrin's personal life is falling apart around him, with a family member that committed suicide from depression within the last year and a failing marriage and that he has other reasons for anxiety and depression than just this?
The fact that they may be physically or mentally fatigued from their trip, quarantine, and/or the solid month of being flown around the world every two days? (I don't remember if this is before or after the tour)
The fact that public speaking is one of the most common human fears and that people are TRAINED, either by coaching or experience, to get over it? I'm going to blunt. I'd be a wreck if you put me up there because I detest public speaking in front of even small crowds, and if you dragged the armchair psychologists here up on stage and made them give a press conference in front of a large crowd, broadcast to the entire world, and recorded for all eternity, I bet a large number of the blowhards here would shit their pants like they were still in diapers.
No, you probably didn't even stop and consider any of these for even a moment. Most of you people immediately assume that it MUST be "because they're lying" because that is what you are told before you watch this and that is what you want to hear.
I'm going to say this again. You people can't even notice the Australian Coke Bottle lady lying through her teeth despite forgetting that her story needs to actually take place in Australia. "They look like they're lying" really doesn't convince me when you people can't spot easy lies.
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The moon also has no air, meaning if you jump six feet in the air, fail to stick the landing, and tear your suit, crack your helmet, or break your life support pack, you instantly die.
First thing that Aldrin does after getting off the ship, by the way, is casually jump three feet back onto the ladder, fail to catch the rung, slow fall back down, and do it again.
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....... but EVERYBODY DIES if the firmament is broken, because the water will rush in through the cracks and drown everybody. In the REAL world, the Illuminati Freemason Lizardmen would collapse from bloody infighting as the members who desire the accumulation of power and wealth declare war on the nihilistic doomsday cult because their goals are opposed.
You do not rule anything if you and everybody else are dead.
Furthermore, how exactly do they plan on "breaking through the firmament" when the sun's supposed to be inside the firmament and the sun's supposed to be 3,000 miles high? That means that the firmament itself has to be 3,000 miles high, more than 2,000 miles above the location they're bombing at? Did you really think people wouldn't notice that contradiction? And if they really wanted to destroy the world, why don't they take those rockets, fill them with warheads, and fire them into the sun? Seems much easier.
YOU are the great deceivers.
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@G58 Just as a head's up, you do realize that the "lead shielding to cross the Van Allen Belts" is pure bullshit that you people pulled straight out of your asses, right? It's pure fiction that your leaders invented because they knew you'd be too dumb to check and is not based on any credible source. No spacecraft would ever use lead shielding because the Belts are BETA radiation, not x or gamma rays, and beta radiation requires low-density shielding because it CREATES secondary radiation when it interacts with heavy metals. That same process is how your x-ray machines create their x-rays in the first place - by shooting charged electrons at a piece of metal.
And here I thought JFK killed because over hiding aliens, or the Federal Reserve, or Vietnam, or something else. Kind of obvious that you people are making shit up if you can't even agree what it was over. You know, it's kind of sickening that you people take a man's death and lie about it, twisting into whatever pet conspiracy you want to push without a care in the world and for the most part, don't have the balls to call each other out on it even though pushing a different "reason he was killed" than you means they must be lying.
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@G58 ...... are you really that stupid? Gee, if it's the wrong type of radiation for lead and the type of radiation in question is industrially shielded with aluminum, plastic, and acrylic glass to prevent bremsstrahlung, where the hell did you get your information from? For some reason, you people never give the scientific sources indicating that you would need lead shielding to cross it. It's because it doesn't exist. I can tell you exactly where you got this claim from. You repeated it because you were told it by another hoaxer and you just accepted it without question or doing any amount of research to seeing if it was actually true even though this flaw has been known for twenty years. Critical Thinking, am I right?
Bill Kaysing, Ralf Rene, Bart Sibrel, Jarrah White, David Percy, Marcus Allen... names ring any bells? You know, the people that 90% of you mindlessly parrot? The "lead shielding would be too heavy" is originally (or at least most notably) pushed by Bart Sibrel, who by the way is a con artist that tried manipulating his video evidence and got caught because he was stupid enough to think nobody would check.
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@hutrillz.official Three of the astronauts swore. Gene Ceran, Edgar Mitchell, and Alan Bean. All three of them do it in the full Astronauts Gone Wild though I can't be bothered to find the timestamps right now.
Just so that you're aware, by the way, the man that 'asked" them to swear not only lied to, harassed, and insulted them numerous times, but had to have the police called on him for stalking and trespassing. Do you know why he's no longer a network cameraman? The network fired his ass after he decided that being declined interviews gave him the right to follow Armstrong home and go sneaking around outside his house, property laws be damned.
If somebody treated me the way Sibrel treated them, I wouldn't swear to what I had to breakfast and would refuse to do anything he asked of me out of pure spite. If he asked me where the bathroom was, I'd tell him to shit his pants like the toddler he is and try not to get it on the carpet.
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Without using "God moves in mysterious ways", explain why Flat Earth has an atmospheric pressure gradient that reaches practically 0 tens, hundreds, or thousands of miles below your "firmament" instead of expanding upwards to equalize pressure inside of it like it would any other container.
Without using "Shut up globetard", explain why falling objects always know to fall down, even in a vacuum chamber (buoyancy does not exist without a surrounding fluid) and even in a situation where it would be... say.... surrounded on all sides with an equal amount of water, causing the pressure difference to be the same. It's not magnetism and not electrostatic force because both of those REPEL objects as well (note that both water and organic life are REPELLED by magnetism).
Without using "But.... but.... no curvature!", explain why the close moon shows no rotation and acts like a Doom sprite that magically turns to face each individual person regardless of angle despite the fact that at your claimed distance, it would see dozens of degrees of rotation both over the course of the night and from different latitudes and why the stars in the Southern Hemisphere are magically 20,000 miles apart in opposite directions at the same time.,
By the way, globalism is an actual term dealing with political and economic policies geared towards international benefit as opposed to promoting local interest. It has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth. Stop using it.
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1. Nobody. The camera was attached to the ship.
2. Because you need to throttle down your ship when you land otherwise you go UP, gas expands in a vacuum, and the amount of pressure you exert is divided by the area. Also, dust clouds don't form in a vacuum. without air resistance, the dust will be flung away from the ship, not loiter there. Fun fact, Armstrong himself points out the lack of a crater almost immediately after getting off so they clearly know it should be there.
3. The lower half of the ship has equipment bays on it and the rover folds up like a Transformers action figure. Apollo 15 has video of it being removed.
4. The rover has a turret on it allowing the camera to be controlled by remote; remote control is much, much older than Apollo. Again, billowing dust clouds do not form in a vacuum; what we do see in the film is the dust kicked up in a gray haze.
5. Most of the "no response time" is either the astronauts talking to each other or mission control talking to them, which will have no delay because mission control is the one recording. There's also plenty of instances where the astronauts talk over the mission control as though they're not hearing them in real time.
6. You are aware that they crossed through the belts in the big chonky cone-shaped part of the ship, not the lander right? And that the hoaxers have been lying about the belts for 20 years right?
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@tbrown3356 The rest of of the Flat Earthers typically use the AE projection and claim that there's an ice wall where Antarctica should be.
The typical flat earth claim is that the sun and moon are 3,000 miles high.
According to the most basic aspects of trig, the proportions of a right triangel 3,000 miles high and 5 degrees in angle puts the object you're looking at:
3000/tan(5) = ~ 35000 miles away.
Now, go mark that on whatever map you please. I'll wait.
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A close moon should change sizes both over the course of the n ight as it moves across the sky, and when viewed from different latitudes. We're talking 30-50%, something that should be noticed by the naked eye.
It does not. Outside of an illusion that makes it ironically appear larger than it is near the horizon, it stays the same all night.
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Measuring the angle for what? How high an object is to you like my sun example? You measure it based on your perspective from an arbitrary horizontal line and ignore the falling ground.
The line that crosses the edge of a sphere or circle perpendicular to the radius and extends out from it as the curve falls away is called a "tangent line" by the way.
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Bitching about the name doesn't make it disappear, dearie. It's still a problem whether you call it the Southern Hemisphere or Southern Hemisflat or Southern Insert Gibberish Here.
But since you want to be like that, let's rename "equator" to "uncoff" and "hemisphere" to "Blargleflag."
Explain why the locations in Southern Blargleflag, the region of your disk out past the uncoff, sees impossible geometry with objects being in multiple places at once.
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@G58 I find it very unlikely that you have actually read the report for yourself. If you have, you would be in the .01% of hoaxers that have. Most of them just believe what they're told on Youtube. I have not read it in its entirety for myself, mostly because the academic websites that have it are expensive to read from, but as far as I'm aware from analysis and excerpts of it I've seen, nowhere in it does he ever claim that lead shielding out be needed. If it did, this figure would almost certainly be revised as more information was gathered (because like I said, WRONG TYPE OF RADIATION), but for some reason hoaxers think that only the very first initial readings have any meaning.
By the way, Van Allen watched some of those hoax videos claiming the Belts would have been certain death back in 2001 or so. He called it a bunch of nonsense and called you a bunch of amateurs that had no clue what you were doing and said you were making a mountain out of a molehill on a subject you have no understanding of. I'll find his exact words later when i can be bothered.
For reference, Bill Kaysing is the founder of your movement, Ralf Rene is one of your older major authors, Jarrah White is the #1 Apollo hoax Youtuber, Marcus Allen is your #1 Photographic Expert, Bart Sibrel is the creator of A Funny Thing happened on the Way to the Moon (the most popular hoax video, the one with the "faking the distance") and Astronauts Gone Wild (where he harasses the astronauts about swearing on the Bible and gets punched after chasing somebody through the street hurling insults while avoiding telling how he has a criminal record for stalking and trespassing), and David Percy is the creator of What Happened on the Moon (the other really popular hoax video), as well as the owner of Aulis, your #1 hoax website. These are all big names in your field.
Even if you have no read or watched their stuff directly, which I find rather unlikely, you have with almost 100% certainty heard their claims repeated on other videos because many, many of them do little more than repeat their claims or base their work upon it.
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@flatearth5821 First of all, Eric Dubay is notorious for using sketchy, unsubstantiated claims and hearsay as "proof" and using the work of proven frauds such as Bart Sibrel, then banning anybody that calls him out on it. He has zero credibility.
Okay, so Australia has an airline called Qantas that, in addition to flying across the ocean to LA and Santiago and such (which creates more problems), makes daily flights between Syndey on the east coast and Perth on the west coast. These flights take about 4 1/2 hours.
If Australia were the size it appears on YOUR map, the flight would need to take about 10-12 hours making the deception impossible to hide. And no, you can't just fly faster, because supersonic airplanes have a completely different appearance to everyday 787s AND make a loud BANG when they cross 767 mph, the speed of sound.
Furthermore, anybody driving between those two cities would certainly notice because it would take far, far longer than it should and cars have a device called an odometer that measures how far you drive. The trucking industry will notice immediately because they log their milage.
Sorry, I suspect your "railroad measurer" is either bad at math or lying.
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Also, Australia has another problem in that it can see the Southern celestial pole, which circles around a point in the sky due south of every location in the hemisphere simultaneously. When you try and draw the movement of the stars in the Southern Hemisphere on YOUR map, it creates a a paradox where objects are in multiple places at the same time and moving in an impossible geometry direction that would make M.C. Escher cream his pants.
Maybe you should decontaminate yourself from your brainwashing and keep an open mind to the possibility that your "truth" movement is a fraud.
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No, globe was not created in the 1400s. Before Copernicus, western scholars used the Ptolemaic model, which had a spherical geocentric Earth.
That story about how "Columbus proved the Earth was round" is for small children. Scholars knew the Earth was round. Columbus was an idiot that miscalculated the size, and had he not run into the Americas out of pure blind luck, he would have starved to death at sea long before reaching his destination.
By the way, the 1400s is a very strange time to start this "big lie". The 1400s is the spice trade and early colonization of the Americas, an era of history where wealth and power are determined by your naval prowess. If you went to The Elite and told them about this brilliant idea to deceive the masses, then they would have executed you themselves because they will LOSE money and LOSE power if their ships carrying all of their slaves, colonists, soldiers, and super expensive exotic trade goods never arrive because they wound up hundreds or thousands of miles off-course from following fake maps.
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@mikeFlatbird729 The reason the ground appears to "rise to your eye level" is because the angle between your eyes and a point on the ground becomes smaller and smaller the further away it is. This angle is functionally a straight line at infinity. Yes, the sun will also reach that plane directly in front of you. HOWEVER, because it is higher, it will need to be further away to do so and unless there is another factor besides "perspective" (air disturbance, bending light, etc), it will do so at the same rate calculable with basic trigonometry. Do you understand?
You want to use that "looking down a hallway" right? How close would the ceiling appear to the floor if instead of a hallway, you were in... say... an aircraft hangar with the ceiling fifty feet above you? It wouldn't be anywhere even close by the end of the building. Now, step outside that building and look for a cloud 5 miles high. It's even further away to get near the horizon! So how far away does a 3,000 mile high object to have to be to get close to the horizon? You should be able to calculate this. If you can't, you're making shit up.
And even when the two do meet, it will NEVER become obstructed. It is impossible for the ground to ever obscure an object above it unless it gets between them and an object that reaches that horizon line does not MAGICALLY shrink so that half of the object is one millionth of the size of the other half with a cut so clean it can be made with a knife. The ENTIRE object shrinks together.
You know those "disappearing objects on a table" videos? They're cons. The camera is placed below the table so it can only see the front edge. The object doesn't "shrink into the table" as ti moves back. It is actually being obstructed by the table.
You said that there are "Celestial laws". What are these laws? Be specific.
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@Justin-oc1dj The Bedford Level Test was disproven over a hundred years ago, didn't the Flat Earthers tell you? There's actually a hilarious true story where one of the author's students put out a cash prize to anybody that could disprove it, then tried to renege and was thrown in prison for threatening to murder the debunker when he showed that the test failed to take into account refraction, a known factor even back then, and tried to claim it.
Meanwhile, the Southern Hemisphere have a bit of a problem with the same constellations appearing due south of Africa, Australia, South America, and the Pacific Islands simultaneously despite forming a big X through the center of your map. Can you explain to me how a single man can stand in front of you, behind you, to your left and right, and every direction in between simultaneously without putting his body through a wood chipper? Because that's the exact problem you have.
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Chris, the video is about the damage the radiation can cause the computers and electronics, the things that will cause them to CRASH or be lost in space if they malfunction.
Apollo did not use modern computers. They used a completely different type of technology called "magnetic core memory". Magnetic core memory is nearly impervious to EMPs and radiation, but it is not used anymore and hasn't been since the 70s and 80s because integrated circuits, which modern computers use, are cheaper and faster.
Meanwhile, integrated circuits constantly have problems with radiation because the smaller you make them, the easier it becomes to corrupt and damage them and protecting them is so difficult and expensive that by the time your specialized parts are produced, they're already obsolete.
Would you say that we should drive Flintstones cars because a stone wheel can never get a flat tire?
(Also, as an aside, you realize that they're exaggerating... right? It wasn't a technical production. It was a PR video to hype a test they did literally a month later.
Keep in mind that what you say depends on who your audience is. Most people that are not scientifically read or part of this hoax debate know little about the belts, if they've even heard of them at all. They won't understand why the ship needs to be tested unless you tell them what you're testing against and why)
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@platygaia5303 You realize that your side's promotion of Michelson-Morley is a blatant lie, right?
Michelson-Morley DIDN'T TRY to find evidence of the Earth's movement. It was a test to find luminiferous aether, a magical gas-energy from the 1800s used for light propagation, and failed to find it. The Flat Earther took the experiment, claimed that Aether existed, and used that to "disprove" the foundations that the actual test were supposedly based on.
Aether was already falling out of favor before Einstein came along, by the way.
Why is it impossible? Your "impossible" claim makes the assumption that the movement is random. However, if the other stars are moving the same speed and direction as us, they will stay in place forever. You have, of course, seen soldiers or marching bands in formation, right? If the stars are in a pattern your "impossible" goes straight out the window
Furthermore, do you know what parallax is? It's the difference in position caused by moving positions. The thing about parallax is that the further away an object is, the more movement you need until a change is seen. If an object is far enough away, you need to move extremely, extremely large distances to make even a small change.
Take one step forward. Tell me, how much different does China look to you (if you're in China and on the internet.... somehow... how does the China exhibit at Epcot look).
This is of course ignoring the procession of the stars indicated by astronomical records from Ancient Greece (who described the spot Polaris currently is as barren) through the Islamic Golden Age and Renaissance that you people conveniently ignore.
You want to know something even more impossible? If you go to the Southern Hemisphere and look south, the south-facing constellations circle around a point directly in front of you that doesn't move just like Polaris, and yet are somehow, magically 90 degrees to the side, 180 degrees behind you, and every direction in between simultaneously. How does that work? Because that's what happens when the position and movement of the stars is drawn on YOUR map.
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So fun fact. If you have an object revolve around another object while spinning, the number of times that it points a specific direction is always either one more or one less than the number of times that point points that the object in the center, depending on whether the rotation and revolution are in the same direction or opposite directions for any n rotations over 1. (1 rotation, same direction, would be tidal locked like the moon)
Clockwise/Clockwise or Counterclockwise/Counter clockwise 4 rotations during one revolution will point at the sun 3 times in the time it takes to return to its original position (when the moving object is at 120, 240, and 360 degrees). 10 rotations, 9 points. 100 rotations, 99.
CW/CCW or CCW/CW will point 5 times for 4 rotations at 72, 144, 216, 288, and 360 degrees, 11 points for for 10, 101 for 100 etc.
You're welcome to count.
This means that calculate it by formula without any sort of messy "guessing to make it work." It's awfully convenient that whatever cosmic being set up the Flat Earth was kind enough to follow that same pattern.
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You should rename that app to Deception in Plane Sight. The screenshots of it on their very own apps page debunks their own model. Tell me, how does a spotlight sun create a CONCAVE light pattern, and if night is caused by the sun moving out of range, how the flying fuck does it magically illuminate more of the Southern Hemisphere during the southern winter months when your own app shows the sun moving closer to the edge - and therefore FARTHER AWAY from the opposite side.
No offense, but if you believe that this challenge is real, you probably shouldn't have financial independence. All of these anti-science challenges are scams. They exist solely to claim that "Nobody claimed our challenge money" and strut around like peacocks, no matter how many lies they have to tell to keep that position.
Eric Dubay put out one of these challenges about 2-3 years ago. When people confronted him about the fact that it's impossible to have two celestial poles on a flat Earth, he started blatantly lying and making excuses such as, and I quote: "You cannot learn anything about the shape of the ground beneath your feet by looking up at the sky". This, of course, means that anybody that tries to use "Polaris doesn't move" is lying too, but he's rather mum on that.
Also, isn't Weiss one of the Flat Earthers that delete the comments of people that try and debate him? I know Dubay does. I know that Weiss refuses to debate the big science debunking channels so what makes you think he has any intention of having a serious debate now? Oh right, because he's wagered money he probably doesn't have and won't show. Got it.
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"You know that contemporary NASA astronauts have asserted that they cannot transgress the Van Allen Radiation Belt because they can't launch a craft sufficiently shielded to protect human cargo through the Belt against the the planetary amount of radiation, due to the required weight of the necessary shielding."
Um, no..... that's a claim asserted by YOU PEOPLE, not anybody that's actually remotely related to NASA's astronauts. You insist the shielding must be lead because you know nothing about how radiation actually works beyond what is told on Saturday morning cartoons.
There are multiple types of radiation. Lead is for X and Gamma radiation. The belts are beta radiation. Beta radiation requires LOW-DENSITY, lightweight shielding, because it creates secondary radiation when it hits heavy matter. That same process, where particle radiation is shot as a piece of heavy metal, is how your dentist creates their x-rays in the first place.
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Also, by the way, the issue they're having isn't radiation poisoning. It's damage to the on-board computers, because modern machines use a completely different type of hardware technology. Nobody's used magnetic core memory in 50 years.
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@appletongallery Apple, about ten years ago, I took a digitla photography class because I needed some sort of art class for my major. I did an assignment where I took panning shots of the cars driving by my house. Now being the master class photographer I am, i held my camera at arm's length and took pictures without using the viewfinder. I STILL got about 10-20% good shots and that was with one afternoon. Taking photographs without a view finder is a skill that can be PRACTICED, and they had months of training with their equipment. It is nowhere near as impressive as blind people that paint.
Furthermore, there are THOUSANDS of photographs. Many of them are bad. Why don't you see them??
Because NASA aren't idiots and hire professional editors to sort through the trash and select the best ones for publication. Unless you've actively gone looking fot hem, you've seen maybe 40-50. You haven't seen the out of focus ones. You haven't seen the badly exposed ones. You generally only see the ones that have been deemed fit for publication and the rest sit in a vault gathering dust..
Also, i would like to point out that 95% of them are rocks and terrain, things that would be "perfectly framed" if you were in the same post code.
The real kicker here is that even the ones they do show are NOT perfect. You know that famous photographs of the Man on the Moon? It's EDITED. The original photograph is badly framed, so they cropped it and added a fake black sky because the top of the pack was cut off.
Gee, i guess the professional studio photographic crew didn't use their viewfinder on that one.
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@waltright648 No, the astronauts do NOT respond "with no delay". The footage, the actual full footage, contains both constant long pauses and parts of the footage where the astronauts and mission control talk over one another as if they can't hear each other. The claim that there was no delay on the Nixon call is an outright bold-faced lie. There's an almost 10 second pause before the first response and about 4 after the second. Round trip, the delay should be less than 3.
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Dust on Earth tends to form clouds when the particles get trapped in the air. There's not a single second of that in 20+ hours of footage, not only of the rover, but of the astronauts kicking it around every five seconds.
By the way, there's a scene from.... I think it's 15 or 16, where the astronauts are digging a hole. Not only do they throw the dust clear over their heads with scoops that don't even reach their knees, one of the astronaut sends the dust cascading at least ten feet sideways from about a one-inch foot shuffle. Not a single grain floats during this sequence like it would on Earth.
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According to Webb, he stepped down over party politics regarding the 1968 election. He was a staunch democrat and Johnson loyalist, so left when Nixon won.
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No, rocks from Antarctica would not work. Meteorites are burnt black and contain glass from the heat of entry, and exposure to air and water (these were sitting in snow) causes the minerals in the rock to rust. Measuring how rusted the rocks are is how scientists tell how long a meteorite's been on Earth, by the way.
A raw meteorite will be spotted instantly without any testing required, and trying to remove the bad parts will most likely be spotted the instant that geologists put the rocks under the microscope and see all of your chisel marks.
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No, it would not be easier. it is impossible to fake low gravity TODAY, 50 years later, without CGI. Wires do not affect any thrown object or the dust, and will clip every single time the astronauts cross paths. Slow motion would slow down ALL footage; low gravity would only vertical movement .
That's why the hoaxers only show a few seconds at a time. If they left it on "normal" speed, their other movements would become way too fast when watched for extended periods of time. There are parts where when sped up to Earth speed, the astronauts limbs flail faster than the human body is is comfortably capable of.
Do you know how long a special effect lasts in a movie? 3-5 SECONDS. The Apollo 11 footage is three continuous hours, and contains one of the astronauts performing a brief mobility test directly in front of the camera about twenty minutes in where he does a slow hop then immediately starts waving his arms. Lets see the hoaxers speed that up to "Earth gravity".
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Short note: the fact that the hoaxers can't agree on where the sets are, whether it's Area 51 or Pinewood Studios where 2001 was filmed or someplace else, means there's no evidence of them.
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"Liquids don't conform to the exterior of spinning wobbling tilting orbiting oblate spheroids"
Just making sure, you do realize that we know for a fact that this is 100% Grade A Oscar Meyer Baloney because we have liquids that stick to magnets, right?
"Constellations have remained in the same sequences since hieroglyphic cave drawings despite us being on polar opposite sides of the sun's orbit every six months we still have the same constellations"
Put an object on the ground. Step over it. Why are you in the same room as before? You're on opposite sides of the object, so clearly everything must have changed! If you perform this simple test and get this result, clearly you are a Satanic magic-using warlock and should be put to death!!!!!
Have you done any research at all beyond what the Flat Earthers dangle in front of you like a carrot on a stick? The thermosphere feels COLD because while the gas is super heated, it's way, way, way way too dilute to heat anything. It has virtually no substance. Convection works on contact with the air, not magic, and there is barely any air. You are not touching enough of the gas to heat your material faster than every other point on the surface loses heat via infrared radiation. It's like trying to burn a whale to death with a handful of red hot sewing needles.
" Polaris is still directly north even though you traveled a hundred billion miles today "
Uh, yeah, you're exaggerating the distance, but yes that's how parallax works. The farther away an object is, the farther you have to move to make it change positions. This is how magicians make the statue of liberty disappear: they move the audience to the side, but because the buildings on the other side of the bay are so far away, it looks like they haven't moved.
"All hail fluoride."
Why do the elite drink their own flouridated water? That's pretty stupid if you're trying to indiscriminately poison the masses, since you're also affecting yourselves, your friends and loved ones, and the people that will take over your job when you are dead or retired.
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" If science was good why is there more sick people today than in the past"
Because there are more people today because SCIENCE has has reduced the number of childhood deaths and DOUBLED the average life expectancy since 1800. 200 years ago, praying for health resulted in you dying by the ripe old age of 35.
If God was "good", why does he endorse genocide and slavery, repeatedly kill and curse innocent people for the crimes of others, send wild animals to kill children over petty insults, order his soldiers to slaughter infants in their cribs, and, depending on your denomination, torture babies for all eternity if they die before baptism purely out of his ongoing hatred for the actions of their parents and/or Adam and Eve, two people that nobody in a hundred generations has even met?
If a mortal man committed the same acts that God commits in the Bible, they would be considered as evil as Hitler.
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@Justin-oc1dj First of all, according to archeological records, Polaris has slowly moved several degrees since Ancient Greece. The Flat Earthers simply lie and claim it hasn't.
Second, you do realize that the other stars are moving too and that we aren't zipping past stationary objects, right? The constellations would stay the same, despite movement, if the stars were moving at roughly the same speed and direction that we are. Surely you've seen a marching band.
You might want to check the model you're arguing against. The movement isn't random. We, and all of the other local stars as well, are circling around the center of a giant whirlpool. If it takes a million years for there to be any significant change because of the massive scale involved, and modern human civilization is only a few thousand years old, you're out of luck buddy.
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@andresbetancourt8561 Question. Are Flat Earthers and conspiracy theorists all high school dropouts? Your spelling is atrocious and none of you ever seem to use paragraphs.
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"Water wld never be calm. "
You've never ordered a drink on an airplane without ice, have you? Amazing how it sits almost perfectly calm and doesn't instantly slosh out of the cup at 500 miles per hour. By the way, the spinning is about 1000 mph, not 65000
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"Guess my hand must be bigger lol"
Of course it is. After all, the size that objects appear in relation to one another is how big they are! It looks like it is, so it must be. Or.... would you prefer to admit that you were lying when you said that appearing the same size meant they were?
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"Why wldnt buzz Aldridge or Neil Armstrong say we landed on the moon?"
Because the man that asked them to swear, Bart Sibrel, is a convicted criminal that harassed them to the point that the police had to be called for stalking and trespassing.
Why do you people lie pretend that three of the other astronauts (Gene Cernan, Edgar Mitchell, and Alan Bean) didn't swear on your Bible or make excuses to why they don't count? Pretty obvious that you're the real satanists.
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You do realize that the farther an object is away from you, the less its position changes as you move right? Meaning that you would need to move an astronomically far distance to change the position of an object that is trillions of miles away, right?
And that the model you are arguing against straight-up says the other stars are moving in roughly the same speed and direction that we are, so will stay in position with each other like soldiers marching in formation, right?
So why do you people pretend that the movement is supposedly random?
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"We landed in the moon and go to Mars but we can't hover over the north pole?"
.... yes, because a satellite in orbit requires it to continuously move forward to counteract gravity pulling it down otherwise it will come back to the ground. To quote it like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, it's essentially throwing yourself at the ground and missing.
Geosynchronous orbit creates the illusion of it hovering by having the speed it's moving match the earth's rotation. You can't do that over the poles.
Satellites work on science and math, not making shit up and declaring it to be the divine truth that must never be questioned because God Says So.
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"And where the fuck did they get that number??"
First of all, it's not a trillion miles so the answer is "You pulled it out of your ass"
Second, do you know "parallax" is? And not just the Marvel character? It's the measurable difference in size, position, and angle of an object as you move. You can take two or more locations you know the distance between and measure the change in an object to tell how far away it is.
By the way, parallax bends your "true model" over a table like a rich man's maid.
If the sun, moon, and stars were only a few thousand miles or less, it'd be very obvious because the star circles would be squashed into ovals as you move South and the moon would show more than 90 degrees of rotation between England and the Falkland Islands. Do they look like they're close? Fuck no, they don't.
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"Where are the stars in that infamous moon landing. We can see stars from earth but there not there in moon pic?"
..... because the Apollo footage is DAYTIME, you dolt. Cameras have a setting that controls how much light you let in. The proper settings to avoid all of your brightly lit foreground objects in direct sunlight being overexposed is typically about 1/100th of a second or less, while stars are filmed with long exposure shots of several seconds.
That's why most pictures of city skylines or the moon at night, from Earth, typically don't have stars in them either. Hint hint.
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"And you believe that? All I can say to you sheep is bah bah bah bah."
Says the person who thinks they're so smart yet lies about the numbers and hasn't an original thought in their head.
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Edit: My bad, Parallax is DC, not Marvel.
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@DANNY40379 No, you didn't, otherwise you wouldn't be praising Bart. You'd be calling for his tongue. But you'd never, ever do that because being a "critical thinker" is all about mindless conformity. All you did was watch other hoax videos and blindly believe them without a second thought.
Your side has consistently proved they generally have no clue what they're talking about. We're meant to believe "photographic analysis" from people that have never even touched a camera.
They've repeatedly lied and made up bogus "facts" about the Van Allen Belts, including blatantly lying about needing "six feet of lead to cross" despite being the wrong type of radiation. But we should just ignore this and trust you even after the lies.
You cropped details out of photographs, added your own, altered interviews, stole and faked credentials from "scientists to make your "articles" seem more credible than they are.
And you still believe them. You think I haven't done my research? I've seen the claims. I've seen the lies. I'm not impressed.
And it's not jsut Bart. Aulis, David Percy, Jack White, countless, countless Youtubers.... Hell American Moon (which was made by a man that profited off of peoples' deaths by promoting fake medical cures by the way) was so desperate they got caught trying to pass off ARTWORK as Apollo photographs to "analyze".
But this is okay, isn't it? It's okay to be lied to, and deceived, and scammed, as long as they oppose the big bad evil
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Just as a head's up, Bart got caught lying through his teeth about his "faking the distance" video over ten years ago.
He lied about the fact that it was supposedly never before seen footage that was supposed to be edited and played back later. It was actually the live scheduled broadcast.
He lied about the astronauts pretending to be against the window while actually filming across the cabin, then skipped over a section of footage just moments after the "camera is filling the window" comment where NASA openly asks them to move the camera back, the astronauts confirm, and you can watch the Earth shrink as they do so. The only person claiming they were still against the window when the lights come on is Bart himself.
He lied about the astronauts not knowing the camera was on, then muted the audio so you couldn't hear them openly discussing the picture quality the entire time it was supposedly "off".
If you actually watch the footage, can clearly see that the terminator line doesn't actually change an inch when the insert is "removed" so apparently it just poofs into thin air when the lights come on.
The trick DOESN'T WORK. If the astronauts were in orbit, we'd see the clouds and landmasses moving past the window because the minimum speed to stay in orbit is 17,000 miles per hour and the clips he used are long enough to cross entire oceans and continents.
Oh, and most damning, HE GOT CAUGHT skipping over shots of them filming WITHOUT HIS TRICK less than 20 seconds after clips he used. There's a reason he doesn't let people comment on his Youtube channel.
He didn't show them filming a close Earth. He simply claimed that a window with a blue glare was the Earth, then carefully compiled his version so you couldn't see any of the details that disproved him.
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Also, Bart harassed the astronauts to the point that they had to call the police because he was stalking them and sneaking around outside their houses. They have every reason to not want anything to do with him.
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@jacobmilgromiii7729 Nice story, but you left out the fact that Michelson-Morley was NOT claimed to have disproved the motion of the Earth, but was in fact a failure to find luminiferous aether, a magical undetectable incorporeal energy-gas... thing used for the propagation of light. You know, what you're claiming that Dark Matter and such are.
But you can't have that because Nikola Tesla, Holy is is Name, used Aether in his failed alternatives to gravity and Nikola Tesla is essentially the second son of god, so you LIED, claimed that aether existed, and used the opposite of the test's original conclusion to reverse engineer the logic behind the test to claim it "proved the Earth doesn't move."
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You know, you should be happy when science makes stuff up to make their math work. At least they're putting in effort.
When a Flat Earther is asked why their math doens't work, they usually just shout "Shut up sheeple!" and change the subject.
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@founderafrica3844 First of all, pressure is divided by area. The wider area you exert force on, the less of an impact you make and yes, this means that a heavier object can leave less of an impact than a lighter one. This is how snowshoes work. Keep in mind that gas rapidly expands in a vacuum and you have to turn your thrust way, way down otherwise your ship goes UP.
Second, you do realize that the ground can have a thin layer of loose dust on a hardened or compacted surface underneath, right? If I spill a bag of flour on my kitchen floor, I will most definitely be able to make footprints in it, but I will not be able to blow a hole in the tile underneath. If the loose dust is only about half an inch or so deep, how deep of a crater are you expecting?
Oh, it should be there because Bill Kaysing said so.
Third, if you look closely at some of the pictures, you can see rings of lines radiating out from under the engine bell, which would be consistent with wind-based erosion emanating from a central point.
Fourth, did you know that both Armstrong and Aldrin call out the lack of a crater live among their observations of the lunar surface? That's right, you didn't cathc them. NASA outed themselves! That's very strange if it was faked, because if you know that it's there, normally you'd either fix your problem or ignore it, not have your actors deliberately bring attention to it.
Also, minor gripe. Jet is a specific type of engine. It is not a synonym for "powerful".
Now, VTOL aircraft have jet engines with about 3x the maximum thrust of the lander, and as far as I'm aware, they normally don't create massive craters either.
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@well.thy.one. Okay, you know how we know it's far away, right?
When you move around, the size and angle that an object you are relative to an object causes its visible position and angle to change. This is called "paralax". The farther away an object is, the less it changes.
A 3-dimensional sphere, when you move around, shows rotation
A 2-dimensional circle, when viewed from any angle other than straight on, skews into an oval.
We do not see this rotation or skewing, especially not to the degree if the moon were only a few miles high which would have more than 90 degrees of rotation between London and the British territory in the Falkland islands. You have three options which it is.
1. The moon is far enough away that parallax is not visible no matter where you are on Earth, which by basic trigonometry puts it in the hundreds of thousands of miles away.
2. The moon does not exist, and is an illusion that is psychically projected into your brain that turns to face every single person on Earth individually like a video game sprite.
3. God moves in mysterious ways, so stop asking questions.
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The stars in the Southern Hemisphere create star circles just like the Northern One. First of all, it's impossible for a spinning dome to create circles in any location except the center (and a flat Earth would have star ELLIPSES the further south you go; the only place they would actually be circular would be Santa's workshop). Second, the movement of those stars, when drawn on the Flat Earth map, results in objects being located 20,000 miles apart in opposite directions at the same time.
The sun apparently sets in the WRONG DIRECTION from the Tropic of Cancer. Wolfie has this nice video where he took the Flat Earth "Sun overhead" world map watch app to Hawaii and found that the direction it says the sun was from his location and the direction the sun ACTUALLY was was about 45 degrees different.
A 3,000 mile high moon would see almost 50 degrees of roation from London while over the equator directly south.
A 3,000 high sun would mathematically need to be about 35,000 miles - three times the distance between the North Pole and the ice wall - to even be 5 degrees above a flat surface, let along be close enough to appear to setting.
You can talk about lasers all you want, but when your world is warped and twisted like an M.C. Escher drawing, something is clearly wrong.
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@Lad_Clan And the formula for how far away an object can be seen is....... oh right, it can't be calculated.
Also, you are aware that it takes literally one minute to find videos on youtube where they can "bring back" one boat but FAIL to bring back another one in the same scene no matter how much you zoom because it just... cuts off an arbitrary point? HOW DOES THIS WORK???
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.... why wouldn't we be able to see the reflection.? As long as it's angled properly, it will be 'above" the sea.
By the way, at 3,000 miles high, the distance your own side claims the sun is, it would need to be approximately 35,000 miles from the observer to fall below 5 degrees. The sun should never set on Flat Earth.
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They're perfect circles because the distance the Earth moves during it is too small compared to how far away they are to matter. The farther an object gets from you, the smaller the angle becomes until it approaches zero. Also, the other stars are moving in the same rough direction that we are. I'm sure you've seen a marching band before right?
By the way, you do realize that perfect circles disproves YOU right?
If the stars are close to the earth, then the position you are looking at them from would be at an angle and not directly beneath them. This angle will increase the lower they are and the farther you are away from the North Pole.
On Flat Earth, the only place on the entire planet you would ever see perfect circles from is Santa's Workshop; everybody else will see star OVALS that become flatter and flatter the farther south you go.
Also, it's impossible to have star circles above the South Pole. This causes paradoxes . Your leaders know this.
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@cisko77 Because Apollo cost 130 billion dollars, adjusted for inflation, and the technology used to do so is kind of a dead end.
Apollo used single-use spacecraft. This means you need a new ship and a new rocket every single launch, which is a massive pain and makes it impractical for long-term occupation.
That's why the Space Shuttle was developed - to test technology to make spaceflight cheaper, starting with the advent of reusable spacecraft.
Also, NASA's budget was slashed into the ground after Apollo once they'd served their purpose and it's currently half of what it was in the mid-60s (adjusted for inflation), with half of it dedicated to non-manned projects.
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They're currently in the middle of their return plans with the proposed date at 2025. I expect that the hoaxers will have videos "proving it's fake" because of complete nonsense before they even land.
Also, I don't know if you pay attention to politics, but after every election, the incoming president reorganizes NASA for whatever their own personal goals are. Trump tried to cancel Orion purely on a whim because one person at Fox complained about them wasting money on something they'd already done, then backtracked a few days later.
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@mj77777 You spent centuries cooking up fake crimes to persecute Jews for "killing Jesus" then passed laws forcing them them into professions that you found sinful so that you could continue persecuting them for your own stereotypes. Yes, that actually happened.
You publicly tortured them for entertainment.
You excommunicated and murdered people for daring to challenge your power
You care so little about your own god that changed his birthday so that you could steal pagan holidays.
And for what? A "Savior" that claimed that only people that followed him would be saved, then deliberately chose not to send a prophet to Asia, or the Americas, or the Pacific for over a thousand years, dooming many, many good people for not believing in a god they've never heard of.
All are welcome to try for Heaven. Except you, young Indian child. You're going to be born into a non-Christian family then die a child because I say so and burn in hell with nothing you can do to stop it.
Oh, and how many centuries have you been lying about the rapture coming soon. It won't be in your lifetime, or your child's or your grandchild's because it's never coming.
Jesus lied to the disciples that he was going to return before they died, then walked out like a father "buying cigarettes".
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@foxtrotthree569 Then explain to me, little man, why Bart lied about them "not knowing they were filming", then muted and dubbed over the audio to hide them openly discussing it.
Explain to me, little man, why Bart claimed they were pretending to be against the window while they were filming acorss the cabin, then removes a several minute section of film between the two where NASA asks them to prepare for interior shots, the astronauts acknowledge, and you can watch them move away from the window.
The only person claiming they were supposedly pressed against the window is Bart himself.
Explain to me, little man, why Bart has spent 20 years hiding the fact that within 15 seconds of clip he uses in A Funny Thing, the camera zooms out to show it sitting 1-2 feet from the square window, filming a small Earth outside with nothing on the window, then crosses the cabin to film out a different window.
Of course, none of this will make any sense to you. You're too drunk on your little games to see reality.
But but but but it must be true! A video on the internet said it was!
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Ahahahaha. Undeniable. That's a great one. I'm guessing Bart didn't tell you that his precious "smoking gun" got dissected ten years ago and that he got unmasked as a fraud because people weren't stupid and compared his version to NASA's.
Why does Bart lie and claim that the live scheduled broadcast was "footage recorded to be played back later"?
Why does Bart lie and claim that the astronauts were pretending to be against the window when they were actually filming across the cabin, and then not show the part MOMENTS LATER when NASA asks them to move the camera back, the astronauts acknowledge, and you can watch them do so. The only person claiming they were still against the window is Bart himself.
Why did Bart lie and claim that the astronauts didn't know they were filming, and then mute the audio so you couldn't hear them discussing the picture quality from the camera that they supposedly didn't know was on?
If the astronauts are actually removing the insert, why doesn't the image actually change while it's being removed? Apparently, whatever they're using for an "insert" poofs into thin air like a vampire in sunlight.
Why do the clouds and landmasses not change despite being in a vehicle moving at 17,000 miles per hour, almost 20 times the Earth's rotational speed? The clips he used are long enough that at the minimum speed to stay in orbit, they should have crossed between 1/8 and 1/6 of the entire planet and the altitude needed for geosynchronous orbit is INSIDE the very same Van Allen Belts that are supposed to be the entire reason for the hoax in the first place
If you want to see what this trick would actually look like, go put an insert on the side window of your car. You'll notice immediately that no amount of cropping will stop the features outside from changing as you move.
And most damning:
*** Why did Bart skip over a section of footage less than 20 after a clip he used where you can see them filming the Earth a foot from the square window WITHOUT HIS TRICK before moving to triangular one? A clip that happens BEFORE his big "smoking gun", might I add**
Undeniable my ass. To quote the Princess Bride: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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..... You got duped pretty bad.
First of all Von Braun's collaboration with Disney was for a few segments on his TV show Wonderful World of Color. There is no evidence whatsoever that Disney had anything to do with Apollo, and no evidence that meeting up in the early 60s was anything other than discussing more TV show segments. Also, Disney died of lung cancer long before Apollo finished.
By the way, Walt himself was a massive patron of technology and progress that would probably have spat in your face if you asked him to fake the landings.
Second, the astronaut with the girl is Buzz Aldrin, who's still alive, and it was YOUR SIDE that cut the footage off. He continues talking about needing to know why they stopped to continue next time, blames it on money, and says they went several more times. The hoaxers, obviously, don't like that so they simply cut that out and don't show it. You can find the full interview here on Youtube.
Third, NASA was several years ahead of the Russians. The reason Russia didn't get to the moon was because they wasted all their time and effort trying to show that they were ahead of the Americans on everything (who were only about 4 months behind at the beginning and caught up quick) to the point that they neglected the N-1. By the time they started serious development on it, the Americans had been working on the Saturn V quietly in the background for almost 4 years. They then tried to rush development to make up for it and wound up with a piece of shit that blew up every time it launched.
Fourth, AHAHAHAHAHAHA, Bart doesn't know what the word "real" means. The bastard';s been caught lying about his evidence so many times that he had to shut off comments on his Youtube channel. Go ask him why he lies about his "faking the distance" video and edits out the parts of it that disprove him, such as the shot of them filming without his trick. Bet he immediately cuts all communication.
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His record? Okay.
In September of 2020, about two months before the election, Trump tried to defund and mess with the post office in order to prevent ballots from being delivered on time, risking thousands if not millions of LEGAL votes thrown in the trash for artificially being delayed. He was stopped.
When that didn't work, he threatened to have the military seize the voting machines.
When that didn't work, Trump called up officials in at least two states to convince them to change the results in his favor. The former head of the RNC was taped offering to pay legal bills for it - which is bribery and should have landed them in prison.
When that didn't work, you tried to corrupt the electoral college
When that didn't work, his followers threatened to execute the vice president if they didn't get their way.
When that didn't work, his advisors hired people to break into a Georgia county's voting records and steal information. They are currently awaiting trial after getting caught on camera.
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Let's fast forward to this year.
Lara Trump is one of the heads of the RNC, a stupid decision made in ultimate cult worship because she's not qualified to run a girl scout troop. Well, Lara went on TV around March or April and bragged on I think it was Newsmax about how the RNC's not going to just have poll watchers, but have "ballot handlers" inside the facility rubbing their grubby hands over your votes.
So, a member of Trump's direct family has openly stated their intention to compromise the election.
Meanwhile, you have already started lawsuits in Michigan trying to pretend that legal voter registrations are illegal so that you can contest the election and cheat your way to victory by throwing out the real votes.
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What do you think is going to happen based on this record? If Vance loses 2028 in a landslide, MAGA is going to cheat to stay in power. They will, with 100% certainty, come up with some sort of excuse to stick your ballot in a paper shredder.
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@rhebelrhouser2813 No offense, but why didn't you check? That should have been the first thing you did.
Because it's EXPENSIVE and ultimately not worth the cost, and actually building bases requires a whole additional level of technology and whole lot more money than just visiting for a few days half a dozen times.
Do you know why we stopped and came back? Because Apollo is in inefficient piece of garbage starting the massive elephant in the room that it's a SINGLE USE rocket. This means you are trying to set up and maintain bases with a rocket you need to build a new one of every single launch.
That's why the Space Shuttle was built: to develop technology to make space flight cheaper, starting with making reusable spacecraft. It ultimately FAILED to make it much cheaper.
Also, what exactly are you proposing to observe and why are robots not a more sound investment given that machines can stay up there for years longer than a human can because they don't need food, air, or water?
There's nothing to actively observe on the moon, no life, no weather, no volcanic activity, nothing, and it's too far away to really be a good observation point for the Earth. Satellites would show much greater detail.
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It's not just Flat Earth being "censored". No offense, but ignoring the fact that Flat Earth requires mental gymnastics worthy of a psionic circus to even function, conspiracy theorists in general are kind of viewed as dangerous lunatics. Not only are they associated with right wing extremists, Neo-Nazis, and white supremacists (because they tend to frequently be the same people and are often promoted in the same shady parts of the internet), you kind of have people shooting up pizza parlors looking for abused children that don't exist, derailing trains over Coronavirus, and threatening the families of terrorist attacks and shootings and frankly the rest of the "movement" is too cowardly to take responsibility and call them out on it, instead pretending that any wackos among them are "government psyops" to save face.
Eric Dubay keeps getting removed for antisemitism, not Flat Earth "censorship" by the way. It's because he's a Hitler-loving Nazi.
But you like censorship, right? Did you know that Jarrah White, the #1 Apollo hoax youtuber, not only blacklists people that challenge him on his channel, but tried to CENSOR YOUTUBE ITSELF by deliberately flagging hundreds of his critics' videos with abusive false copyright strikes against their videos to get their accounts banned? Why censor something if it's a lie?
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Faking it and getting caught would be even more catastrophic, and there's about a 100% chance that the Russians would sniff them out. They already know about the "impossible to cross" radiation belts. You cannot bluff while holding marked cards.
Best case scenerio, Russia blackmails them. Worst case, Russia decides to be an ass and announce the fakery publicly.
The reality is: we didn't go back because Apollo cost over 130 billion dollars (adjusted for inflation) and the politicians in charge didn't want to pay to continue it. Especially since Apollo-era technology is too overpriced for what it should do and is single use and requires you to build a new rocket every single launch, so it's not sustainable as an ongoing thing.
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By the way, actors on wires are never supposed to cross paths. This is because if one actor walks around the other, their two wire sets will wrap together like the stripes on a candy cane and they will become tangled.
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Also, fun fact, not only have those videos of "people on set" been proven to be fake, one of them was produced by one of the debunkers under a second account to see how many people he could scam. Even after he released the video of himself he spliced to make it, people still thought it was real.
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For Gaza? Wasn't it the Republicans who threatened the ICC if they held Israel for war crimes? So..... you support those war crimes.... right? That's why you aren't voting against the Republicans who signed that letter out?
Let's see who was it....
Tom Cotton – Arkansas, Marsha Blackburn – Tennessee, Ted Budd – North Carolina, Ted Cruz – Texas, Pete Ricketts – Nebraska, Rick Scott – Florida, Mitch McConnell – Kentucky, Katie Boyd Britt – Alabama, Kevin Cramer – North Dakota, Bill Hagerty – Tennessee, Marco Rubio – Florida, Tim Scott – South Carolina
Rick Scott, Marsha Blackburn, and Ted Cruz are up for reelection, what's it going to be?
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..... okay, but even if you can land two men on the moon in an outhouse, that's not sufficient for mining. You need heavy machinery and heavy cargo transport ships capable of transporting mass goods and equipment. You are looking at hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars to set up the infrastructure for an entirely new industry, and are looking at tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars per launch in fuel and upkeep and if you cannot mine, refine, and transport these goods cheaper than producing them on Earth, you are literally throwing money away and will bankrupt yourself. A resource that costs more to obtain than it is worth is worthless.
Also, no offense, but we have a group in this country that doesn't give a damn how big of an ecological nightmare it is and would gladly remove every environmental protection in existence if they could. They're called "Republicans".
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@mitchellbirkhead9214 3,000 is a very, very small number compared to the MILLIONS of scientists, engineers, and architects in the US alone as of the last census. You are vastly, vastly outnumbered by the number of engineers that are either neutral or believe the official story. Also, as I recall, most of those 3,000 had never worked on the types of building in question and a sizable percentage of them were students that had no field work at all. Students, of course, being a demographic that is stereotyped for having a distrust of authority to begin with.
I also do not trust conspiracy theorists to not lie about their professional opinion in order to push their personal ones, not when you have "photographic experts" analyzing the Apollo photographs and pretending to not know what a lens flare is. Tell me, are the donations being put towards actual research with demonstrable results, or is the leader just living like a king because he's receiving more in donations than he makes from his actual job?
The last time I looked into the 9/11 conspiracy claims, I left DISGUSTED at the bullshit you're willing to do and put up with. Did you know that Silverstein never actually said to "pull it"? It was a quote by the fire chief regarding pulling his forces to prevent further loss of life, and yet your side twisted and warped it into Silverstein "calling for the buildings to be destroyed" with a quote that was actually said by a completely different person.
And yet you'll tell me that "that's not important and to look at the real issues", because conspiracy theorists are cowards that don't give two shits how much their own side lies as long as it opposes the big bad evil government and convinces others to do the same, even if they join by deceit.
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@Luther79345 Freedom of Speech refers to expression, not physical speech. Otherwise, you could arrest somebody for political artwork, whether it's drawing, painting, sculpture, pottery, performance art, or any other non-verbal, non-written media.
Also, it will apply to all forms of expression invented in the future.
By the way, a form of non-verbal expression that has been ruled as protected speech is flag burning.
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@donjames6687 The hoaxers have been lying about the belts for twenty years. Those claims about needing "six inches/feet of lead"? They're pure fiction. We know that it's BS because they're the wrong type of radiation for lead. The belts are alpha and beta radiation, not x and gamma rays, and beta radiation requires low-density shielding because CREATES x-rays when exposed to heavy metals.
That same process (called Bremsstrahlung) is how your hospital creates their x-rays in the first place. And this isn't the only lie they've told either.
The whining about the belts is pure white noise now. Your "truth" movement has already proven they don't know what they're doing or don't care being honest about it, and people stop listening when you cry wolf.
By the way, James Van Allen, the man that discovered them, roasted the hoaxers in the early 2000s and outright stated they were making a mountain out of a molehill on a subject they had zero competence or understanding in. So..... I'd probably be better listening to him than random people on the internet.
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I've seen a lot of people go on and on about phones and calculators. Never, not one single time, have I seen a hoaxer even attempt to calculate what would be NEEDED, and certainly not while taking into account that the Apollo calculations were performed on mainframes on Earth, not the shipboard computer. They also don't mention that we were landing probes on the moon and sending them on flybys of Venus 30 million miles away without a pilot with even worse computers.
It really comes off more as whining by people that are spoiled by modern technology than an actual serious analysis.
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@AbdulAhad-wy3hi 1. Because it costs hundreds of billions of dollars and nobody wants to pay for it. Every time we get started, the politicians meddle again and screw everything up.
Note that the space shuttle and ISS were supposed to be working on reusable ships (Apollo could only be used once), finding ways to make space travel affordable, long-term medical experiments, and such. This may be boring, but it's the stuff you NEED for any long-term programs.
Also, why send a person when a robot is safer, costs a fraction of the amount, and can stay active for YEARS at a time because it doesn't need food, air, or water?
2. According to Congress, they sent the second document back to him without having even looked at it because they had no reason to believe that it wasn't the same irrelevant unusable garbage Baron presented in his first part. Have you tried searching the Dead Letter Office, where undelivered mail ends up?
By the way, Baron presented no evidence of any fakery or any sabotage at all. All he talked about was supposed negligence and safety violations on the part of the contractor, most of which had little to do with Apollo 1 and he couldn't remember any of it. He actually was so desperate to seem like he had a reason to be there that he LIED about a conversation with one of the other witnesses where they discussed details that contradicted the hard evidence and on-site recordings they had been presented.
If he actually had anything, wouldn't he have put his most importance evidence in the part they actually looked at that i believe didn't go missing, not buried it in the 500 pages of nitpicks?
3. Because that's how the hoaxers told you they looked. They never talk about fatigue, the fact that Armstrong is known to hate interviews, or Aldrin's personal drama going on behind the scenes or the fact that he may still be angry at NASA for cheating him out of being the first man instead.
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@AbdulAhad-wy3hi ..... you mean the thing that Rumsfield himself straight-up says in his "admission of the missing money"?
"The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible."
Jesus fucking Christ, you cannot just print money out of thin air. Doing so devalues your currency and destroys your economy. If you start doing it on one thing, you do it on others and that is how Hitler rose to power: because Germany did it to pay off repairs from WWI.
By the US's military spendi8ng is a bloated cancerous mass that outspends everything else and the politicians in charge keep cutting funding from education, transportation, health and safety, and everything else to fund it. There are plenty of people in power that would like to throw NASA into the fire to fuel it too.
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Just so that you're aware, the stars in the Southern Hermipshere circle around an empty point in the sky in the middle of Octans that, like Polaris, doesn't move. Care to explain this considering that A. it is physically impossible for a spinning dome to create star circles in any location except the center and B. this results in objects being 20,000 miles apart in opposite directions at the same time on multiple axes when drawn on YOUR map because it is physically impossible for the same objects to be south of Australia, South America, Africa, and the Pacific Islands at the same time.
No seriously. Answer the question. At least attempt one. If you can't come up with one and you have to stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalala, I can't hear you" like a five year old when confronted with a massive, massive problem outside of your community approved talking points, that's a good sign that you need to step back and think about whether or not you're correct.
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... but Apollo 13 a fucking stupid idea to fake, not to mention that you people already lie and claim it went smooth, talking about Apollo 13 as little as possible.
First of all, the claim that it was to "increase attention to steal more money" is pure grade A Angus bullshit. The missions are already budgeted in advance - you are not getting new money from this attention - and all you did was convince Congress to shut it down sooner so good job morons, you didn't actually steal jack shit and accomplished nothing but stopping your own hoax.
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Second, pulling off the hoax is going to be like pulling teeth. YOUR OWN SIDE claims that only a few people within NASA know that it's a fake, and now you are now in a situation where the people that are NOT part of your hoax are tasked with coming up with solutions. You have no control over what they come up with, or when, and whether this matches any sort of pre-generated data you come up with, and trying to formulate this on the simulators live (which you can't because they're in use), you have no guarantee your hastily concocted data will hold up to scrutiny.
You've just taken this elaborate hoax and turned it into the All American Cat Herding Rodeo. Think fast!
Also, this is really stupid to do because if they ever have a legitimate emergency and they try and look at your hoax for solutions, you just killed your astronauts for real.
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Third, I hope you have one hell of a plan for what you're going to do AFTER the mission because the instant they splash down, there is going to be an investigation. In case you're too drunk on ego to realize what this means, it means that people that are NOT part of your hoax are going to be going through your shit with a fine-toothed comb.
Congratulations. You just willingly blew your own hoax open for the shortest of short-term gain.
So no, I don't believe for one second that you actually thought about it beyond the most basic surface-level thoughts.
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@createbelief8678 Siiiigh.
First of all, water does NOT form a perfect plane so your premise is false.
Second, a water level cannot determine the shape of the Earth. You need three points to determine curvature, two on the side and one between them, and even if you had a level with three points, it is too small. You lack the precision needed to make an accurate measurement in nanometers.
Forming a horizontal plane with a water level proves nothing. A water level cannot tell the difference between a plane that is parallel to the ground forever and one that is tangent to it. A tangent is ALWAYS horizontal compared to the radius that it intersects.
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As far as the stars, you can tell where you are and where an object is based its direction, height, and position from you. This is why you can use the stars to navigate. From three or more locations, you can determine its position. This is called "triangulation."
In order for the same stars to be seen due south of every location the Southern Hemisphere, these locations must be pointed towards each other with the stars in or above the middle. Since there are two locations like this - one in the North and one in the South - the Earth MUST be three dimensional because it has to wrap together on both sides.
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You must be new to the internet. There have been HUNDREDS of these so-called "challenges" on all of the major anti-science topics. As far as I'm aware, not a single one of them has ever actually paid up because they are RIGGED. The judges are biased and have carte blanche to reject any and all takers for any reason they want to. Lying, moving goalposts, ignoring and banning them, it's all been done.
Last time I looked at that one, Dubay was trying to weasel out of any claim except the one specific form he wanted with excuses such as, and I quote, "You can't learn anything about the shape of the Earth beneath your feet by looking at the sky" in order to avoid having to answer questions about why the same objects are somehow magically thousands of miles apart in mutually exclusive directions simultaneously. One of the other "challenges" owes Wolfie about 400,000 dollars because Wolfie kept meeting his requirements and he kept chickening out and going "No, I meant X" and kept changing the challenge. One of the creationism ones for.... I can't remember if it was evolution or Young Earth creation of the planet was famous for being a massive sham. Their "independent anonymous judge" turned out to be themselves and they didn't even read the challenges, just sent out generic "sorry not good enough" regardless of the contents.
The point of these claims isn't to genuinely search for the truth. It's to strut around like a peacock going "Look everybody, nobody has claimed our prize! Guess that means we're right!"
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@MinusEighty They didn't. Bart found a clip of the window briefly appearing blue as the light levels adjusted, CLAIMED it was the nearby Earth, pulled some dishonest editing and you believed him without question.
You realize that Bart's trick doesn't even work, right? He's still pushing the "Round window to pretend to be the Earth garbage" right?
A ship in orbit needs to ORBIT the planet, as in fly around it, and the MINIMUM speed to do this is about 17,000 miles per hour, fast enough to circle the entire planet in about an hour and a half.
The clips Bart used to make his video have the astronauts filming the Earth uninterrupted for about 12-15 minutes long each. That's long enough to cross between 1/8 and 1/6 of the entire planet.
If the astronauts were actually in orbit, why do the clouds and landmasses not change over this period even they would have crossed entire oceans or continents during that time?
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Bart also repeatedly lied about what the astronauts were doing, and there are videos he refuses to show of them filming the Earth without his trick. I'll dig them up later when it's not 3 AM if you want to see it. Bart will never, ever let you watch them for yourself.
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The Taliban won because "No New Wars Greatest President Trump" proves that America does, in fact, negotiate with terrorists
“We’re dealing very well with the Taliban. They’re very tough, they’re very smart, they’re very sharp. But, you know, it’s been 19 years, and even they are tired of fighting, in all fairness.”
Donald Trump, September 2020, after signing a full withdrawal by summer of 2021 and releasing 5000 Taliban terrorist prisoners back onto the streets despite continued violence
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"And if he never intended to pay the bounty, he would have offered over 1 million."
150,000 is typical of the fake offers made by the Flat Earthers and conspiracy theorists of challenges they never intend to pay. 1 million and nobody would take it seriously.
"You only have to ask who stands to gain the most from Trump's removal, especially considering releasing this letter now only serves to entice further copy cats."
Oh, that one's easy and you're not going to like the results.
Ignoring relatives trying to get his vast wealth before he changes his will, and Iran wanting to assassinate him in revenge for the assassination of their general he ordered in 2020, there's one organization that benefits the most from Trump's death:
The Heritage Foundation, the authors of Project 2025.
You see..... Harris does NOT benefit in the long term from Trump's death. If Trump dies before the election, Vance becomes the candidate, and if Trump dies violently, Vance will win with 100% certainty. Harris has everything to lose from Trump's death.
Meanwhile, the Heritage Foundation's biggest obstacle is Trump himself, who has refused to publicly endorse their radical plans to overturn the country. But Vance is one of their authors. If Trump dies, they win and are in a position to get away with quite a lot because people are going to buy into the false tears for sympathy.
It is absolutely, 100% in their best interests to use Trump as a martyr and blame it on the dems.
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Okay, you know how Hollywood used to make lots and lots of Westerns and now it's all bad action movies? Well, in the late 50s there was a movie called The Manchurian Candidate about China attempting to plant a spy in charge of the country. Great movie, Angela Lansbury's a great villain. Go watch it
Well, after that, and with real life events fueling it, there was about a twenty year period where every man and his brother were creating conspiracy thrillers on everything they could come up with. This ranges from movies based on true events like the corruption of the NYPD to fictional assassination attempts on real people, to even more fictional conspiracies on JFK being killed by elite businessmen, to ones that were made up completely.
Fun fact, there was a movie called The China Syndrome about a coverup at a nuclear power plant. It flopped, through no fault of its, because just two weeks after it came out, the plant at Three Mile Island went critical.
By the way, you realize that if it was faked, the movie wouldn't have been made right? NASA helped make it to the point of lending their very own training props when the movie ran out of budget.
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Just as a head, the "Earth is a realm" Tesla quote isn't actually by Tesla. It's a post by some random nobody on the internet that CONTAINED a Tesla quote. Tesla's actual work and personal letters contain numerous references to the Earth being round.
As far as electromagnetism, I want you to remember something: Nikola Tesla was an egotistical narcissist. For all of the bitching he did about how the scientific community was using pseudoscience, his own alternatives have LESS evidence backing them up and he spent decades stubbornly using outdated disproved science like aether long, long after the rest of the community abandoned it.
By the way, my question is if gravity is electromagnetism, why it not sign dependent? Electromagnetism REPELS objects too. Both positively charged and negativity charged objects, as well as grounded and neutrally charged objects still fall in a vacuum chamber and if objects were being held down by magnetism, then you, me, and all of the oceans would fly up into the sky because both water and organic life are diamagnetic.
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First, there are two types of democracies: direct democracies (what your "mob rule" is talking about), and representative democracies. We, as well as most of the western world, are functionally a representative democracy, because we the people choose politicians to make decisions for us.
Republic means we don't have hereditary leadership. We are both a republic and a representational democracy, as is France. Note that a Republic does NOT require you to have any say. China's a republic too.
Second, the military will be given the order to intervene. Participation is not optional. Any rank and file that refuses to follow orders will be put in a cell awaiting court martial, and if they try and desert, the military has a complete record of their home addresses.
They will give the order to shoot any mutineers and they will destroy any base they are forced to evacuate. This is not a "you smile and they let you go."
Third, your militias will be designated as terrorist organizations and dealt with appropriately if they start causing mass harm. If you try and leave the country, you will be arrested on sight. You will also not be recognized as the legitimate government by the rest of the world if you hold a coup.
Fourth, I think you misunderstand something. Conservatives don't control the food supply of the cities. Megacorporations do. They will side with their wallet and stay neutral, and do everything in their power to keep supplies going because they don't, not only will they lose a massive amoutn of money, the banks in those cities will freeze their accounts locking them out of their finances, collect and foreclose any debts, and refuse to ever give a loan again.
Fourth: you would not be able to sit back. There are enough liberals outside of cities that you will have to deal with the suburbs and rural liberals.
Also, as a reminder, the last time we had a civil war, your rural agricultural advantage was dealt with by General Sherman waltzing through Georgia burning anything he could see to the ground. You do not want total war, because we have the technology to make sure the fires can be seen from space.
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The silver foil is called Mylar. It is, among many, many other things, used to make hypothermia blankets, portable shelters for wilderness emergency workers that have to hunker down in the middle of a forest fire, and three thousand degree proximity suits. The gold foil is called Kapton. Kapton is used to make insulation for cryogenics equipment.
They are also used on satellites too. Just saying.
Also, you do realize in the "flag blowing in the wind" clips, the astronauts are TOUCHING the flag at the time, right? Those clips are during, or immediately after, periods where the astronauts are swinging it about by the pole.
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@timdescher2606 Then why are there lots of videos where you can clearly see the ship being obscured? Why are there videos where they "bring the object back', then pan over to another further ship that looks like it's sinking, zoom in on that, and FAIL to change the waterline?
Do you know why the ship isn't being obscured? Because your Flat Earth Masters choose not to show the ones where they are.
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We've already checked out Eric Dubay, thank you very much and he was full of more shit than an outhouse the last ten times. Why on Earth do you think people haven't?
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Tim, objects in physics maintain their forward momentum when launched from a moving object. The planes are traveling at the COMBINED speed, 1500 vs 500. Yes, that means to an outside observer, the plane flying in the opposite direction would appear to be flying backwards.
This is a well-known quirk of physics relating to a law called the Conservation of Momentum and it's literally half of the Freshman midterm. Might I remind you that the people taking these classes are the engineers that build your buildings, vehicles, and bridges, so teaching them false physics to "maintain the globe conspiracy" is SUICIDAL because people will DIE when shit doesn't work properly.
That's why objects dropped out of a car window continue moving forward. That's why when you launch an object backwards at the same speed that you're moving forward, it appears to fall straight down. That's why you can jump inside that airplane without being squashed like a bug on a windshield against the back wall as the plane moves under you.
This has been tested to death, and I do mean literal corpses. Planes have to take this into account to keep from missing their targets by miles because their bombs will continue moving forward after released.
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"better opportunities for their children, "
Here, let me spell out your so-called "opportunities" for you.
We have 10x your population, okay? Just 10x.
We have had more school shootings in the last year than your country has had since you left Britain. You understand that, right? Firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens in this country. Your child is more likely to be shot than die in a car crash.
Our education system, which you think is so great, is terrible, and it's only been about 2 years since the last time the Republicans tried to ban evolution and gravity from being taught in public schools because they want to live in a medieval theocracy where science is the work of the devil.
If you think your child will be wealthy as an adult, you're sadly mistaken. If you child goes to college, they will be paying off student loans for the next 20 years of their life. Our birth rate is falling because cost of having and raising children is unaffordable for many starting families. Our "more affordable housing" is a blatant lie; rent is through the roof and housing is unaffordable for most young families in part because the Republicans changed the laws so that Wall Street could buy up the houses and double the rent. We also do NOT have government-sponsored healthcare and in addition to insurance that is extremely expensive and doesn't cover squat, our after-insurance costs are 5-10x higher than yours
If your child has a major medical emergency once they're a young adult, there's a good chance they come close to winding up on the street, and the False Christians in this country treat the homeless like vermin
So yeah..... wonderful opportunities you're giving your child. What did they do to make you hate them that much?
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@maxconspira2962 It has a gradient that reaches 85% pressure at Denver, a populated city, 50% pressure at about the height of Mt Everest, and 1% at less than 100 miles high. And yet your dome is supposedly somewhere between 100-200 miles high, where they tried to "bomb through it" and 3,000 miles high where the sun is.
So.... what's filling the rest of your dome? What's filling the mostly empty space? Why does pressure not equalize inside of it?
How does a barrier OUTSIDE of the pressure gradient, on the other side of near-vacuum from the atmosphere, prevent the equalizing INSIDE of it?
Why will none of you discuss this?
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By the way, the pressure at the deepest part of the ocean is about 16,000 PSI. That's only six miles deep. Your dome is holding back..... how much water exactly? An infinite amount?
I'm not sure how God has any time to listen to your prayers when he'd be spending the entirety of his time keeping his dome from cracking like an egg.
Or maybe it's just made of some rare unobtainium material that defies mortal knowledge that somehow never breaks under an infinite amount of pressure.
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Rockets are not airplanes. They do not push on external objects. They expel their own mass to create thrust through a law of physics called the Conservation of Momentum, which states that the total momentum of a system (mass time velocity), remains constant unless an outside force alters it.
This means that if you take part of an object's mass and shoot it in one direction, the remaining mass will alter velocity to compensate relative to the direction and speed it was shot so that Ejected Momentum + Remaining Momentum = Original.
Note that expelling the mass into space and "not moving because there's nothing to push again" means that you have changed mass and not changed velocity, meaning that the momentum has changed. In other words, YOUR ARGUMENT breaks the law.
You want to claim we're "talking physics now" and yet are willingly ignorant of one of most fundamental laws of physics that is literally half of a college freshman midterm.
But who cares how many laws of physics YOU break when you can shout God Moves in Mysterious Ways and hand wave away all criticism.
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Also, nobody claims that sound travels in space. Transmissions from spacecraft are radio broadcasts, which are electromagnetic radiation like light.
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@eternallyg Why should he after being harassed, lied to, and insulted by a man that had previously committed criminal actions against him? Why should he swear? If somebody treated me the way Bart treated him, I'd tell him to take his bible, cover it in porcupine spines, and shove it up his ass.
What alternative universe are you from where you think that would help? Bart harassed the astronauts multiple times and three of the other astronauts (Gene Cernan, Edgar Mitchell, and Alan Bean) DID swear. In fact, after getting them to swear, he didn't stop, trying to goad Mitchell with "I'll hit you so you can sue me" and refused to leave until getting literally booted out the door.
You frauds immediately lied and claimed that that didn't count, or flat-out pretended they didn't.
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@Nastyfinger1444 Okay.....
Bart Sibrel rearranged, dubbed over, and edited out portions of his "faking the distance" video to hide that the original directly contradicts his story and contains shots that are impossible to perform with the trick he claims was used and GOT CAUGHT almost immediately because he was too stupid to realize people would find the footage he used and compare versions.
He neglects to mention when showing how "angry" the astronauts are to be "confronted with the truth" that his video was filmed AFTER harassing them to the point that the police had to get involved. His "six feet of lead to cross the Van Allen Belts" is MADE UP and pulled straight out of his ass; the belts are the wrong type of radiation for lead shielding, and yet were supposed to take your side's claims about how the "deadly radiation would have killed them" seriously even though you've already lied once on the subject so you've proven that your analysis cannot be trusted. And much much more.
David Percy, the owner of Aulis, put out a 4 hour "documentary," but is such a compulsive liar that he couldn't go ten minutes without flubbing his evidence on his very first claim (where he claims that a flap is "missing" on the video footage and claims that proves the video and still photographs were taken separately- then cherry picks individual frames to hide that the flap was clearly visible less than a second before until being obscured by camera angle.)
He also cropped his "non-parallel shadows" picture to hide the the rocks in the lower right have shadows that change direction to match the object in the background he's comparing to, deliberately showed poor-quality reproductions to people to "analyze", rigged his playback speeds when showing how it's "slow motion" by showing a different speed than he claimed (which was accidentally proven by fellow hoaxer Jarrah White in a hilarious own goal) and more.
David Percy's coauthor, Mary Bennett, is a professional bullshit artist and makes her living scamming people into thinking she has psychic powers.
.Aulis, Percy's website, invents fictional "scientists" or uses "experts" talking about fields as far removed from their field as biology is from 18th century French literature to make their work seem more credible than they actually are. Their articles have also been analyzed and debunked many times, such as the stereoparallax article, which uses a lofty PhD.c that "founded a school and a university" that nobody can find in order give authenticity to a well-worded piece of tripe that uses formulas that are incompatible with the Apollo lenses and therefore completely pointless to read further because all subsequent math is automatically wrong.
Una Ronald, the Australian coke bottle lady Percy "interviewed", couldn't be more obviously lying if her name was Pinnochio. She claims that she "stayed up late to watch the live broadcast and the coke bottle was gone when it was repeated in the morning". Might want to fact check your story there dearie considering that the landings happened at 11 AM in Western Australia and would have been repeated on the EVENING news, not the morning edition. Unless you work the graveyard shift or are a college student pulling an all-nighter, you have no business claiming you "stayed up late" to watch them. Unless of course you actually live in America or perhaps Britain, where Percy lives.
Shall I keep going? No offense, but an "overwhelming amount of evidence" doesn't amount to jack shit if the people presenting it can and have been proven to be liars or incompetant. Of course you already knew all of this, since you did RESEARCH into the hoax claims and the people making them instead of blindly believing them at face value.
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Sinjin Smyth Tell me, did your leaders tell you that:
- Bart SIbrel got caught with his hand in the cookie jar editing his "smoking gun" to remove portions of the original that disproved him, MADE UP his "six feet of lead to cross the Van Allen Belts" out of thin air, and neglected to mention when showing how "angry the astronauts are to be confronted" that he filmed that video AFTER earning himself a police record for stalking, harassment, and trespassing?
- David Percy cherry picked frames to hide that his "missing" details were present mere seconds before, cropped photographs to hide that his "non-parallel shadows" changed direction, deliberately showed people poor-quality fifth or sixth generation replicas to "analyze", and rigged his "slow motion" playback speeds? That last one was accidentally confirmed by Jarrah White, who filmed himself doing the same thing in front of the camera. Way to score an own goal.
- Mary Bennett, David Percy's coauthor, claims on Aulis's very own About the Authors page to have found her hoax information using PSYCHIC POWERS?
- Aulis uses fictional scientists, or ones that are talking about subjects that they have no experience in, to make their articles seem more credible than they actually are?
- "Professional photographer" Marcus Allen is a paid employee for some Australian dimestore equivalent to the National Enquirer?
- Una Ronald, the Australian Coke Bottle Lady, flat-out lied in her story by claiming that she "stayed up late to watch the live broadcast and it was gone in the morning" even though the landings happened at NOON in Australia and would have been repeated on the EVENING news?
- Jack White tried to pass off his own edits as anomalies in his "photographic analysis"?
- Dr Groves rigged his radiation and heat tests by exposing them to conditions that do NOT match what they would have been exposed to to the point of ignoring the fact that there is no air in space?
- Jarrah White censors his critics to the point that he fraudulently flagged their videos with bogus copyright strikes to try and get their accounts banned? False DMCA claims to harass people are PERJURY by the way.
Yeah, yeah, you have an "open mind". That's why you didn't question a word these con artists said and immediately believed them because "A video on the internet says so, therefore it MUST be true!"
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Just as a head's up, the "Challenger astronauts are alive" is a scam. The creator took pictures of siblings or other people with similar names and claimed that they were the "same person":
- despite the fact that several of them would need facial and dental surgery to match.
- despite the fact that they have jobs that they would not be able to be hired for or keep. No astronaut is going to be able to hold a job as an Ivy League law professor because A. the job will, with 100% certainty, get their background and references chked and B. this is a job that requires a Masters in the relevant field and they do not have the education or experience to not be fired for incompetency because they don't have the slightest clue what any of it means.
- despite the fact that they CANNOT pretend to be their own siblings because if they ever meet with anybody that knew them or their family, their cover is immediately blown.
- despite the fact that if they were alive, the government would have assigned them completely new names like they do with people on Witness Protection.
- and despite the fact that there's NO REASON to keep them alive and little reason to fake it in the first place. An assassination is one thing, but staging an accident for shits and giggles does NOT increase your funding and only hurts your operations. If I were in charge of NASA, I'd murder them for real and dispose of the bodies where they'd never be found, possibly the ocean or entomb them in the WIPP facility where nobody will ever open the container, just to get rid of the loose ends, or maybe I'm misunderstanding "Evil organization bent on world conquest."
By the way, the statistical likelihood of the astronauts having siblings is approximately 80%.
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.... but Operation Starfish was thousands of miles below the height you people claim the sun and moon are at, and you claim they're inside, not outside, the firmament.
Also, how did Operation Starfish not create a faction war among the elite? There's water outside of your dome. If you break it, the water rushes in and everybody dies.
The elite that are concerned with earthly wealth and power would have attempted to take the doomsday cult out back and put them down like rabid dogs.
Von Braun spent 20 years before his death trying to merge science and religion, criticizing people like you who rejected science for religion, and promoting space travel as the way to explore God's creation. Clearly, his tombstone is meant as an allegorical heavens, to mean everything in the skies, not a literal dome.
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@flatearth5821 For starters, the Earth has TWO celestial poles. The stars in the Southern Hemisphere circle around a fixed point in the sky in the middle of the constellation Octans that is due south of every location in the Hemisphere just like the Northern stars circle around Polaris
First of all, it is impossible for a spinning dome to create a circle around any location except the center. It can NEVER create one outwards. You can test this with a colander, which is a bowl filled with holes for draining food. The explanations your side tries to give for this amount to throwing made up bullshit at the wall and praying that it will stick and generally don't address point 2.
Second, take a look at your map. You see how Africa, Australia, South America, and the Pacific Ocean (which has a bunch of small island chains along the bottom of it) form a big X? Because you can see the stars from 2-3 of these locations simultaneously (depending on the season), this means that the same objects are located tens of thousands of miles apart in mutually exclusive directions, and rotated, simultaneously.
Explain how it is possible on a flat plane for the same object to be in front of you, behind you, left, right, and every direction in between, vast distances from you, AND rotated accordingly, at the same time. Preferably without invoking "God Moves in Mysterious Ways". This only makes sense on a globe or other three-dimensional object, as these directions then point towards each other.
I'll wait. If you somehow get an answer, which I doubt you will, I have more problems with your model making no geometric sense.
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@jupiterjohnson7191 First of all, what is your people's obsession with computing power? That is NOT the limiting factor and even if it were, you have nothing to prove it beyond incredulity
All I hear is cell phones calculators blah blah blah. Not once, not one single time, have I heard anybody even attempt to calculate what was actually NEEDED.
I've also never heard a single one of you comment on the existence of NASA's computing bank of mainframes that actually ran the hard calculations, let alone their capabilities.
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By the way, do you know what the downside to those super tiny pin needle computer components is? They are many, many times WEAKER, not stronger, against radiation than Apollo-era components, and become more susceptible the smaller you make them.
Congratulations, you made the mission harder. Gee I wonder if that's why the Orion video people like to deliberately misrepresent was talking about the belts' ability to damage the electronics....
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News flash buddy. We can't afford those wars either. We are massively in DEBT and our military spending is a cancerous mass that increases by more than NASA's entire budget every single year. And in case you haven't noticed, we have a party in this country called the Republicans that screech like harpies at every single penny increase that's not on the military.
Do you know why the Space Shuttle shut down after 30 years in use? Because Congress refused to pay for both that and the plans to return to the moon simultaneously.
So.... Apparently NASA told this big secret that only a few people are supposed to have the actual details to Congress - an organization notorious for infighting, faction wars, and personal schemes, and most importantly, whose members change every few years. That makes total sense.
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@johnnyfreezze Also, instead of the "confiscating guns from law abiding citizens" thing, maybe we should actually enforce the laws and increase the punishment for things that should not be done.
If you steal a gun, if you straw buy for somebody, or you're a vendor that breaks the law to make a sale, you are not a law abiding citizen. You are a criminal, and should be put away until nobody remembers you.
It is ridiculous that selling a weapon to a child in my state has a lower punishment than growing weed, and considering that ATF found several thousand gun stores that were lying to them, keeping fake records, or bypassing federal sale laws when they investigated Chicago about ten years ago and they were all left off the hook with warnings, I'm not confident they even get that.
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@Franktank111 As of the 25th Amendment and the Presidential Succession Act, the order of succession is VP, then Speaker, then President Pro Temp of the Senate, Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, then all of the other cabinet members nobody cares about.
Also, if the VP is vacant, the President gets to nominate a new one. So, even if you remove Biden, Harris gets to nominate a new VP. The House will attempt to prevent this by refusing to give a majority vote needed for confirmation until they can find an excuse to remove her.
The Republicans will probably lose the House in 2024 if they do this.
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@set3777 Sin, you literally have to pretend that half the planet doesn't exist for your model to work. That's a a red flag large enough to send semaphore messages to the moon.
By the way, if the Earth were flat, you'd see star OVALS, not circles. Close stars as your model claims would only appear to make circles if you were looking at them at a 90 degree perpendicular; anybody else would see it as ELLIPTICAL because a circle viewed from an angle is an oval, and they would get flatter the farther south you go.
The only place you can see the star circles at a perpendicular is, of course, the North Pole looking straight up, so unless your name is Santa Claus, sorry, no circles for you.
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@KingRahiem First of all, Apollo cost about 130 billion dollars, and their current budget is HALF of what it was in the 60s and another half of that is devoted to non-spaceflight research. It's extremely expensive and nobody really wants to pay for it.
Second, only three countries have manned space programs at all: the US, Russia, and China.
Russia's own moon attempts ended in disaster. The truth is that they spent more time and money than they should have trying to show up the Americans to the point of neglecting the N-1, their equivalent to the Saturn V, and when they rushed development to try and get back on schedule, they wound up with a piece of garbage that blew up when they tried to launch it.
The N-1, it turned out, had a fatal design flaw in their engine design where a single rocket would cause too much vibration. In order to fix this, they would have basically scrap much of it and start over, and so they shelved it because like any sane and reasonable person would notice, wasting any more time on this failed endeavor would result in them being behind in everything else forever and never being relevant again because the Americans weren't going to sit there waiting for them to catch up.
The reality is that today, 50 years later, neither Russia nor China have any MOTIVE not to take their sweet ass time. You can only be first ONCE and the moon ain't going anywhere, at least not very fast. Without the Cold War space race driving it, you are essentially spending a very, very large amount of money for ultimately not a whole lot of actual gain. Robots would be cheaper and can last years on the moon because they don't need food, air, or water, and for all the talk people give about mining, the only resource of any actual value (helium 3) is both able to be synthesized in a lab and primarily desired for a hypothetical energy source that doesn't work and isn't expected to be commercially viable for another fifty years.
Do you know WHY we built the space shuttle, by the way? Because the Apollo-era technology was deemed too inefficient and too expensive to justify long-term operations. Especially since Apollo and before are all single-use spacecraft. You need to build a new one every single launch because they can only be used once. And so they tried to work on technology to make spaceflight cheaper (which failed by the way) and built the first REUSABLE spacecraft.
But building reusable spacecraft is "moving backwards". Working on long-term medical experiments before committing to long-term colonization plans is "moving backwards". Developing water and air reclamation systems that work in space and physics experiments that will be used to design future equipment and all of the other shit they do on the ISS is "moving backwards".
Never let a conspiracy theorist program your computer. They'll stick to the first method they find that works no matter how much of a memory hog it is, evolve it into a convoluted mess, and never ever rework anything because optimization and bug fixing is "moving backwards."
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FEMA has a disaster budget of about 20 billion a year. 750 per person would be about 26 million people, around half of the population of Florida, Georiga, North Carolina and South Carolina combined, and assumes they do nothing else. No evactuations, no medical or rescue work, no shelters, no infrastructure, not hospital supplies and reinforcement, none of that.
Remember this in election: almost 100 Republican senators and congressmen voted to block FEMA from receiving emergency hurricane funding. The names are public record, and almost every single one of the vocal MAGA members in Congress is on that list.
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@sudomyju5017 Okay.
In order to maintain their "first in everything" status, Russia deliberately put their cosmonauts in danger and made slapdash modifications to their ships to get "firsts" before the Americans launched their new ships intended to do it properly. So if the Americans weren't willing to take risks, the Soviets would have done so without blinking.
The reality is: your "truth" movement exaggerates the rate of failure and they don't want you to think about the fact that people will take what they believe to be acceptable risks.
Besides, if they land, take two steps, and keel over, then the US still gets first on the moon, and the astronauts were almost exclusively taken from professional test pilots, people that went to work knowing they could die. It wouldn't have been hard to find a crew willing to have "I Win" written on their tombstones.
By the way, network broadcast has an intentional delay of about 7-10 seconds to give the studio time to cut the feed if anything goes wrong. If something happened, they feed would have been cut and Nixon had already prepared a speech for the case of failure.
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Bart Sibrel got caught lying about his air force base bs. Just like he gets caught lying about everything else.
The idiot he got filled his story with anachronistic details, accused of people who had no business being there of being part of it, and forgot to mention to Bart that his family put up a GoFundMe for the house fire (which has a posting date), resulting in Bart trying to claim it was filmed a year and a half before the fire mentioned in it happened. Ooops.
Don't try and claim that Bart's "hated by NASA" without mentioning that he's hated for being the most prolific fraud you have.
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Also, front screen projection works by using a camera filming through a one-way mirror. It requires a stationary camera, otherwise, you're not pointing at the screen and mirror, and the camera in Apollo is picked up or spun around, in some cases 360 degrees, in most of the footage.
By the way, if you ever drive through places that have lots of hills and no trees, you'll see your "Front screen projection line" literally everywhere.
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@HansHaz2000 Have you watched the other post-mission interviews? Armstrong's Gemini 8 press conference, several years before, is 20 minutes of Armstrong talking about how exciting spaceflight is in a complete monotone like he's reading from the dictionary while squirming and fidgeting in his seat like he's sitting on an anthill.
This was while he was being praised as a hero for narrowly avoiding a fatal disaster. Funny, you'd think that that would be a reason to be smiling too, no?
Did you know that Aldrin's life is a disaster? Not only did his mother die within the previous year and his marriage is falling apart, NASA changed "First Man" from him to Armstrong shortly before the mission, resulting in him blowing up at them before the mission. An honor stripped from him, which can never, ever be undone, and it's "proof of fakery" that he isn't smiling?
Interesting that hoaxers like yourself never, ever discuss the fact that Aldrin has reasons to be angry that don't involve the mission being fake. Why is that?
Collins looks bored. I caught him yawning last time I watched.
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@pasway-ea Okay...... it would be impossible to hide the shape of the Earth from the shipping company because the transoceanic differences between Africa, Australia, and South America are much, much longer on Flat Earth than on a globe.
The shipping companies would not put up with the "hiding the shape" nonsense, because that costs them money, since in order maintain the illusion, they'd have to lie about their times and downplay their fees to match other rates of shorter distances. That means undercharging, and losing customers when their stuff doesn't arriving on time.
How long would that last before they turn on the Elite with the ultimatum of "You pay us for the wages we miss, plus a bonus, or we bust your hoax wide open?" And the Elite would pay because they have no choice. There's too many of them to control, too many of them to silence, and technology has progressed to the point that the college intern could rig a dead man's switch.
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@AndyMcFarland-v5r So, your idea to kick Canada out, requiring a full vote, is to change the terms of NATO's treaty.... requiring another full vote. You didn't think that through.
Second, you are probably going to see several of those countries not join the US's new cooler alliance.
Third, if the US invades , it'll go to diplomatic missions. If that fails, there will be a vote to expel the US.
Well, Canada's not going to sell, so if Trump really wants it, his options are to either invade, or sit on Truth Social throwing an all-caps tantrum.
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Also, you know that California will secede if you do this, probably taking Washington and Oregon, right? The cost of your imperailistic expansion's going to be losing access to the Pacific Ocean.
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1000 miles per hour on a sphere 24,000 miles in circumference is 15 degrees per hour, or .25 degrees per minute. You would need a time lapse to actually see that. Remember: it only turns once per day.
Actually, this proves that Bart's lying. The speed to stay in orbit is 17,000 miles per hour (you need to be moving at least this speed or your ship will come back down), fast enough to circle the planet in about an hour and a half, and the clips he's using are 12-15 minutes long each. if the astronauts were in orbit, they would have crossed between 1/8th and 1/6th of the planet during those raw clips (which have been freely accessible for years) and we should have seen entire oceans or continents pass by the window. We'd only need a few minutes to see completely different features and he clips out longer than that, and yet barely anything happens.
And no, you can't pull this "cropping the Earth" trick off in an aircraft either. You'd be close enough to the features you're filming that they'd be changing every few seconds.
Either the astronauts are far enough away to be in geosynchronous orbit, which requires them to be able to cross the radiation belts that are supposedly the entire reason for the hoax in the first place, or that is not the Earth. Either way, Bart's wrong.
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@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. Buddy, we INTENTIONALLY don't have nationalized rules because the country was built on the idea of States Rights. The states have the right to choose their own laws regarding the election, aren't even required to select their electors via a popular election, and we didn't have a unified election date until 1845 in response to the invention of the telegraph.
Under the constitution, the creation and administration of electoral laws in Pennsylvania falls to Pennsylvania. Texas is not an involved party, same national election or not. They have no legal grounds to sue unless Pennsylvania's actions are interfering with Texas's ability to administer their own laws and election, nor does Pennsylvania have grounds to complain about Texas's attempts at voter suppression.
I'm sorry that this isn't the answer you want to hear, but it's the truth. Any lawsuits about state laws not being followed or unconstitutional laws are going to have to come from INSIDE the state itself and this is how the SCOTUS almost always rules. Any expert on constitutional law outside the Conservative Koolaid Club would have told you this would be the result before the lawsuit even hit the court's desk.
By the way, if the entire state votes twice, the result doesn't change beyond stupid people splitting their votes. Most people are going to just vote twice for the same candidate anyways, so the percent will stay exactly the same, and the number of electoral college votes each state gets is a fixed number equal to the the number of senators and congressmen each state has, so even if each person votes 100,000,000 times, that doesn't change.
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@3y35poihjpn Sorry for the slow response, work has been extremely busy and frankly RL is more important than arguing on the internet. Now then, where to start....
This shit's been around for ages. Here's an 11 year old video details David Percy's What Happened on the Moon? If you can't be bothered to watch, he gets caught (among other things): Cropping photographs to remove details that disproved him, blatantly lying about his playback speeds (which was accidentally proved by another hoaxer trying to defend him), cherry picking frames to lie and claim that details were "missing" when they were visible less than a second before, and more.
part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2qEEoQCb2I
part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByiMQXVyY74&t=336s
part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyQV1s9uGqk
David Percy is the owner of Aulis, your #1 website by the way. His coauthor Mary Bennett shouldn't be trusted at all because she's either a professional kook or a professional scam artist. She makes her living writing books about how she has psychic powers and claims to have found her hoax information using ESP. If you don't believe me, it's on Aulis's About The Authors page.
Bart Sibrel's work has been shredded for ages. Among his other lies, which you can find discussed, he has so-called "proof of the astronauts faking the distance to the moon." The trick doesn't work in a moving vehicle (no method of cropping will stops the features outside from changing as the ship orbits), and he GOT CAUGHT editing around shots in the original that disproved him. Here's the clip he doesn't want you to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jghYBAI3i6o&t=175s
Here's part 1 of a full breakdown of A Funny Thing on the Way to the Moon. The full things' about an hour and a half. I don't expect you to watch the whole thing, though. Conspiracy theorists never do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4oEDCeigzs
By the way, Sibrel neglects to mention in his other video where he shows how "angry the astronauts are to be called out on the lies" that he got into their houses by lying about his identity and has a criminal record for stalking and trespassing.
Clavius.org has a large amount of criticism of the hoax claims, particularly the older ones (it's an older website). This includes the fact that "photographic expert" Jack White tried to pass off HIS OWN EDITS as "anomalies" with deceptive editing and perspective tricks, and calling out Dr. Groves, one of the only "scientists" willing to put their name on your work, for pulling bullshit such as rigging his radiation tests with levels thousands of times higher than the listed values on Apollo, and doing heat tests using the only method of heat transfer that doesn't exist in space
Your "Australian Coke Bottle lady" forgot that that nighttime in the US and Britain is DAYTIME in Australia, and yet people still believe her bullshit story about how she "stayed up late to watch the live broadcast and saw a coke bottle that was gone in the morning" - despite the fact that the broadcast happened at 11AM in her time zone.
If you really want to ask around, I'd recommend going to the Apollo Hoax forums, where they have discussions on many, many hoax videos and papers, including complete demolitions of a number of the pages on Aulis, as well as the fact that they have articles written by FICTIONAL PEOPLE. I like the one on stereoparallax article by "Oleg Oleynik" that not only destroys the article, but also discusses the fact that nobody can find any evidence that he even exists despite his claim to have "founded a university."
Where is this proof? All over the place if you got off your ass and LOOKED instead of writing it off as "lies and propaganda". I mean... the hoax claims MUST be true, right? People that oppose the big evil government would never lie.
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@zanesady8084 No offense, but trigonometry shits all over Flat Earth. Your side claims that the sun and moon are roughly 3,000 miles high, right?
First of all, London is 3,500 miles from the equator. If the moon were 3,500 miles away and 3,000 miles high, according to trigonometry, it would be rotated around 45 degrees compared to a person directly beneath it from the largest city in Europe. So on a Flat Earth, we'd see either different sides if it's round, or a skewed oval if it's flat unless it MAGICALLY turns to face each individual person like a Doom sprite. There is no physical way you would be able to hide this without magic or technology so far advanced of what we currently have that we might as well be living in the Flintstones.
Second, they would NEVER set. According to trigonometry, in order for an object to be 5 degrees high, it needs to be between 11 and 12 times further away than it is high. At 3,000 miles high, that would put it roughly 35,000 miles away - three times the distance between the North Pole and your "ice wall" - to even fall below five degrees above the horizon let alone get close enough to touch it.
I WILL show my work if you ask.
And before you say "That's only one model", there is NO SOLUTION. The lower they are, the more rotation they will have. The higher they are, the farther they have to be to approach the horizon. No altitude can match both.
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Most of the food in this country is owned by guys in suits in luxury mansions. City imports are from corporate megafarms, not mom and pop farms.
Big Food, Big Agriculture, and Big Oil are probably going to stay out of your squabble, since they will ultimately side with their bank accounts, and the cities own all of their accounts, loans, and such. They're also well aware that if the government is overthrown, foreign nations will not recognize their contracts as legitimate.
Also, if you try and ransom the water and electricity, the loyalist military's going to ask you to leave very nicely with their guns drawn and put the engineering corps in charge.
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1. ...... you don't even get your own side's claims right. The claim is that the flag's waving in the wind despite no air, not no gravity. The "waving" flag clips they show are after the astronauts have been TOUCHING the flag with their hands, swinging the pole around, and the flag has a rod through the top to keep it extended. It's "waving" about as much as my shower curtain.
2. Um.... no? The largest telescopes on the planet can barely make out an object the size of a football field at that distance. They wouldn't even register an object as small a flag as a single dot.
I would like to remind you that when the LRO took photographs of the site that had closer detail (because they were taken from lunar orbit), you immediately called them fake too.
3. No, those "strings" are the antennae that's on the back of the pack. by the way, if the astronauts were on wires, the two astronauts would spent half of the mission tangled together because the instant one walks around the other, the wires will wrap together. Also, wires don't affect the dust or any other moving objects, like that time the one astronaut trips over one of the experiments, breaks it, and decides to spontaneously chuck it.
4. Fun fact: Hoax author David Percy (the owner of Aulis, your #1 website) got caught cropping his "non-parallel shadows" pictures to remove sections where you could see the shadows bending on the ground to match the other object. "Photographic Expert" Jack White put his comparison lines directly on top of those same details in order to hide them.
5. If I had a nickle for every hoaxer that claimed to have relatives that worked for NASA or who claimed to have met the astronauts and didn't, I'd have enough to send a kid to college.
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"China has 1,450,000,000 people compared to our roughly 350,000,000 with approximately the same land mass as we have, and over the next four-years it wouldn't be that much of a problem for China to send 200 to maybe 300 million, or more, of their military age citizens, mostly males, into the U. S. and then it is all over with but the crying, and without firing a shot. "
...... we are on the other side of the ocean from them with no land crossing. It will be impossible to move that many people without our Navy intercepting them and neither we, nor Mexico if they come across our southern border, have the resources to feed an extra 300 million people
Your invading army is going to starve.
You didn't think this through, did you?
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Ahahahahaha, Hero.... that's a good one
Bart's a fraud. He got caught red-handed faking his evidence more than ten years ago and had to shut off the comments on his channel because he got called out for it.
Bart hasn't risked a damn thing other than getting his teeth knocked out for stalking. He literally had to make up his fake kidnapping stories because people were starting to ask "if you were actually telling the truth, why didn't the government kill you twenty years ago", and like a good little sheep, you bought it hook, line, and sinker.
Oh, and by the way, you do realize that the Russian guy is lying because he hates the US and is trying to drag everybody down because he got fired for massive incompetence right? Oh, and just for reference, that video of them walking into the press conference? That's a month after they got back.
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@carlosvillalta9974 Carlos.... just so that you're aware, you're probably not looking at actual satellite pictures The close-up pictures on Google Earth for example are stills taken by airplanes and are refreshed months or years at a time.
And you do realize that if they were able to see your dog from a satellite, that could be the absolute limit of what they have the technology for right? That size detail I mentioned? Using modern telescope technology, you would need it to be hundreds of feet across. You can disbelieve this all you want, but the reality is that NASA builds their stuff through science, not wishing on a genie's lamp.
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Because Apollo cost about 130 billion dollars that nobody wants to pay for, and the technology used to do so is a dead end. You do realize that nobody wants to continue Apollo-era missions because the rocket is SINGLE USE right? You need an entirely new rocket and entirely new ship Every. Single. Launch. This is not suited for long-term exploration.
That's why the current plans are trying to pioneer landing with REUSABLE rockets.
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Also, Mars ranges between 34 million miles from Earth and 250 million miles from earth, 100 - 1000 times farther away than the moon.
A round-trip flight to Mars, assuming you are bringing them back and not sending volunteers on a suicide mission, would take two years, not two weeks like the Moon.
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I'm going to give you a word of advice. If you ever want to make a hoax video and decide to LIE about your evidence, make sure that nobody, under any circumstances, ever gets a hold of your source material.
Bart Sibrel's "faking the distance" video has been proven to be complete horseshit for over ten years. The slimy bastard tried to rearrange clips and edit out portions of the raw footage which not only completely contradicted him, but which contained shots that are PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to perform with the trick he claims was used.... and GOT CAUGHT pretty much the instant that anybody else got their hands on that tape. If you want to think "Oh, he might have been mistaken", then why does he STILL push that same video even though he's had his nose shoved in it like a dog that shit the carpet a dozen times over by now?
By the way, the MINIMUM speed to maintain orbit is more than 17,000 miles per hour. The clips he used, uncut, are about 12-15 minutes long each. At that speed, the astronauts would have crossed between 1/8 and 1/6 of the entire planet during that time, so explain to me why the clouds and landmasses barely change even though a REAL ship in orbit would have seen entire oceans or continents pass by them during that time? Either the astronauts are least far enough away to get geosynchronous orbit, which completely undermines the entire logic behind the hoax in the first place because that is INSIDE the outer Van Allen Belt, or that is not the Earth. Either way, Sibrel is WRONG.
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@justinherbert9146 And once again, it's the same old bullshit from the tired old sheep herd.
First of all, you do realize that the Apollo calculations were done on mainframes, right? RIGHT??? The hoaxers told you that the on-board computers were built to process output generated by another computer whose data was transmitted to them, not that they calculated it themselves.... right? Right?
No, they didn't, because that would require honesty, a concept as repulsive to "critical thinkers" as garlic to a vampire.
Second, nobody gives a shit about your laptop, or watch, or calculator. Boot it up, and tell me how long it takes to fly to the moon. Oh wait, it can't, because no matter how sophisticated it is, without a GIANT ROCKET, it doesn't move six inches.
You people bitch and bitch and bitch about how much more computing power your tamagachi has. Not a single one of you sheep has the balls to even attempt to estimate what would be NEEDED.
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@justinherbert9146 I missed the "and back" while reading hastily.
.... how is three million miles without a fatality impressive? STS-61-C, the Space Shuttle Columbia mission directly before the Challenger disaster, flew almost 3 million miles ON ITS OWN. You know, because spacecraft need to keep flying to not come crashing back to Earth.
Also, I like how you people deliberately ignore the time the oxygen tank blew up because "almost dead" isn't good enough.
I have a great idea! Let's fake an accident! That'll totally help us "deceive the masses" and not shoot ourselves in the foot with a rocket launcher when the outside meddlers start rooting through our stuff during the inevitable investigation.
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Jesus fucking Christ. I know parrots with more originality.
So, you do realize that dust clouds don't form in a vacuum right? Without air resistance, every single grain of dust will be blown away from the ship and not come back.
And considering that that the ship used a pressure sensor to shut off the engine WHILE STILL FLYING, the dust would have to go up into the exhaust to get on top of the legs.
Also, you can see radial lines in the dust in many of the photographs directly under the bell indicating wind-based erosion.
By the way, you know who the person that discovered the "no crater" was? Neil Armstrong. Within one minute of climbing off the lander, he himself calls out that there's no crater, so apparently NASA already knew it should be there long before you people examined it and thought they'd rather deliberately call attention to their own mistake instead of...you know... grabbing a shovel.
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The hoaxers aren't very honest.
First of all, telemetry isn't the data to go to the moon. It's the data you get FROM the moon - the readout of the instruments during your mission. Even if you don't have this, there's nothing stopping you from making a blind flight or gathering new information from a probe first. Which they'd do when testing the ship anyways.
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The "destroyed" technology is most likely referring to the physical equipment. The factories and equipment for building and testing your ship would have been recycled, dismantled and repurposed decades ago, the training equipment would have been decommissioned after the missions were over so you have no pilots, and we know for a fact that NASA tore up the launch tower 40 years ago to reuse the land for the space shuttle.
You can have all of the knowledge, navigational data, and blueprints in the universe and unless you have a physical ship, a crew trained to use it, and a launch facility set up to use it, you do not move five feet.
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The issue with the belts isn't radiation poisoning. They're explicitly talking about computers. Apollo used magnetic core memory, an archaic hardware type that's extremely resistant to radiation and EMPS, but which isn't used anymore because integrated circuits are faster and cheaper to produce. Integrated circuits used in modern computers are very susceptible and get weaker every generation because the smaller you make your parts, the easier it becomes for them to be damaged and corrupted. Creating radiation hardened equipment is difficult, expensive, and slow enough that your parts are outdated by the time they are made.
Also, that "recently" was ten years ago and it was specifically hyping up a test (that was successful) a month later. They're hyping for marketing, not admitting "this is something that's a major problem we can't solve."
This isn't the answer the hoaxers want you to hear and they get very mad about it.
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@sitmisfit4841 But your homosexuality line is from the SAME time period as those laws that "aren't comparable" is it not? And yet some of those don't apply and others do..... do you just get to arbitrarily choose which parts of the bible do and do not apply.
Also, I'm pretty sure choosing that Exodus 31:15 "doesn't apply to you" directly makes you think you're above your lord.
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By the way, you know what else is listed in the bible as an abomination? Non-fish seafood
Leviticus 11:9-12 KJV
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
So according to the bible, shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, mussels, scallops, and calamari are abominations to your lord.
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You're right, the fact that they "can't recall seeing seeing the stars AT ALL during the mission" IS bullshit, because that's NOT what they said. The hoaxers like to outright lie about this because dishonesty is an easy victory.
During the interview, the astronauts were asked TWO questions about the stars: whether they could be seen from the moon's surface, and whether they could be seen through the solar corona (the haze around the sun that's normally invisible) despite the glare. Armstrong's answers were (paraphrased because I'm too lazy to get a direct quote at this time) this:
They could NOT see the stars from the daylight side of the moon without their equipment. That';s a straight up, unquestionable "No" and explicitly specifies the daytime side.
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He could not recall - during the time they were filming the solar corona - what stars were visible which is what Collins responded to, because he was there when they were taking those pictures from the command module in lunar orbit.
In other words, they don't remember seeing any during a specific part of the mission where they were looking at the sun itself and not paying attention to the stars. Head's up, by the way, the "Shut up elbow" is a blatant lie. You can clearly see that he does NOT elbow Collins because there's a second version of the interview shot from a front camera; the hoaxers NEVER show this one when discussing this on purpose.
At no point do they ever once say they couldn't se them at all, but that doesn't stop the hoaxers from lying and deliberately generalizing it away.
By the way, if you read the transcripts of the radio communication during the mission, Armstrong himself also points out that the stars became visible once they entered the moon's shadow. That's just not what they were asked.
This is a baffling "proof" when you think on it. If the landings were faked, wouldn't the three of them have simply used their Gemini missions for reference? This isn't their first space mission. And if ALL space missions were faked, wouldn't NASA have calculated the answers and given the a script for the most likely questions? There wouldn't be any fumbling or "elbowing because they disagreed on answers or who saw what*
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Thomas Pickering Our dishonesty?
Your #1 website Aulis is run by David percy, who has been caught cropping photographs, lying about his playback speeds, deliberately showing poor-quality photos for "analysis" and much, much more, and Mary Bennett, who makes her living scamming people and claims to have found her information using PSYCHIC POWERS, and has been caught inventing fictional" scientists" to write their articles with bogus credentials.
Bart Sibrel has been repeatedly caught lying about his evidence, including editing his "faking the distance" video to remove sections of it that contained shots that cannot be performed with the trick he claims was used, because he knew that you idiots would be too stupid to check.
Note both Percy and Sibrel have made tens of thousands of dollars in merchandise sales off of you idiots.
Your photographic expert Jack White tried to pass off his own edits as "anomalies" and got caught.
Your "scientist" Dr. Groves rigged his radiation and heat tests with levels thousands of times what would be on Apollo and using the only method of heat transfer that doesn't exist in space.
The actress (at least I hope she's an actress) that played the "Australian Coke Bottle" lady forgot that her story needs to actually take place in Australia and told a big pile of bullshit about how she "stayed up late to watch the live broadcast and the bottle was gone in the morning".... despite the fact that the broadcast took place at 11 AM in her time zone, and you people still believe her. Whoops.
Many of the hoax videos just blindly repeat the same claims over and over and over that were disproved twenty years ago because your "truth movement" is a giant circle jerk that doesn't give two shits about learning and doesn't care if the information they give is even true as long as you morons lap it up like a starving animal. It's this same bullshit over and over and over and over.
Gee, look at that, why don't you explain why you "truth seekers" are hoaxing? Oh wait, you won't, because you don't give a shit if you lie or are lied to as long as it's not the big bad evil government.'
Answer the question: when are the "truth seekers" going to admit that they're all frauds?
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@GratefulTexan By the way, the freedom of speech and freedom of the press are not unrestricted.
They do not protect sedition and inciting others to commit crimes, threats, libel and slander, false advertising, speech intended to cause a breach of the peace (fighting words) or which puts others in danger (ex: shouting fire in a theater to cause a panic), child pornography and other obscene content, or other forms of speech and content that directly harm another.
Egging on suicide and self-harm can be charged as if the speaker committed the harm themselves.
Also, I don't think it protects copyright infringement because that is theft of property.
I know that this really pisses people off, but you also don't have first amendment rights on the internet. No matter how much people whine, Youtube's a private business and can remove whatever content they want from their servers as long as they're not being ordered to by the government (unless it violates the restrictions above).
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@jollygreen9377 For starters, his "faking the distance" is bullshit.
First of all, the trick doesn't work. The minimum speed to stay in orbit is 17,000 miles per hour. If the astronauts were actually in orbit, the clouds would be moving past the window at noticeable speed and the raw clips are long enough that the ship would have crossed entire oceans or continents.
Second, he's lying through his teeth and he knows it.
Bart's version of that footage is conveniently edited to mute audio and skip over sections of it that disproved it. This includes the astronauts openly discussing the picture quality they "don't know is filming", moving the camera away from the window, and filming shots of the Earth WITHOUT his trick.
He was confronted about this more than ten years ago. That, and "I would have punched you too", are why he doesn't let people comment on his channel.
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By the way, his kidnapping story is pure fiction. It's a complete fabrication made to scam money out of gullible people so they don't question "If you're telling the truth, why are you still alive?" Kaysing did the same thing.
The "wax him" was one of the astronauts' children trash talking him after he got into their house by lying about his identity and refused to leave when told to get out.
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@winter_equinox1492 Buddy, I know you think the "If NASA admitted they were lying you wouldn't believe it" is cool and catchy, but it's a dumb idea and I can throw it right back in your face. If the conspiracy theorists came out and admitted they were lying to drum up anti-authority sentiments and scam money out of the gullible, the majority of you wouldn't believe it either. You'd lie and claim that they were "threatened" or "Paid off" to maintain your position.
I'm not referring to the tidal locking. I'm referring to the fact that we would see parallax and rotation if the moon was close. Surely you've looked at literally any nearby object and noticed that it changes appearance when you move left and right.
A 3D object will show different sides. A 2D object becomes skewed, with a circle looking oval to anybody that is not directly 90 degrees perpendicular. And yet the moon doesn't do this, despite the fact that the Flat Earthers claim the moon to be at a height (most common claim is about 3,000 miles) where there would be more than 90 degrees of rotation between the capitol of England, London, and their territory in the Falkland Islands off the coast of South America, both of which are about 3500 miles from the equator. I will show my math if you want.
What it does do is act like a 2D sprite in a 3D game, such as an enemy health bar, or an enemy sprite from very early video games like the original Doom, where they always point the camera no matter what angle you view it at, with every single one of the 7 billion humans on Earth seeing it pointing to them individually..
A person 5000 miles west should not see the same shape and sides of a close moon as somebody directly beneath it.
You have two options: either the moon is very far away, far enough that the distance you move is inconsequential to the distance to it, in which case Flat Earth is a big fat stinking lie
Or you need to get your book approved by Hogwarts because it operates on MAGIC and rules completely alien to any other object on this plane of existence.
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@steveb6718 Steve, no matter how far away you move your paper, the hole will never appear to be half-covered.
The "Changing continents" is a PERSPECTIVE trick. The zoom and distance on the camera changes how much of the viisble surface you can see, which causes the features to "grow" and "shrink" because they'll take up more or less of the portion that is actually visible. There are videos and pictures I'm too lazy to find right now of this trick being done with a desktop globe.
ALL pictures are images. An image ANY visual representation, whether it's a photograph, movie still, CGI vector logo, 3d model, painting, hand illustration, scratch board drawing hologram, sidewalk chalk doodle, Etch A Sketch dust drawing, or the fucking Nazca Lines.
Also, I work in a print center. I don't know about other people, but we colloquially call both photographs (digital or scanned) and computer artwork images.. I expect most other people use the two interchangeably as well unless they're either a conspiracy theorist or have a redwood up their ass.
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What? When Trump was president, he cut of Palestine's aid, then tried to force them into a worse "peace treaty" than Versailles, which the Palestinians weren't even invited to negotiate terms on, legalizing Israel's illegal occupations, ending Palestine's bid for independence, and forcing them to move their capital into a slum.
His son-in-law, Jared Kushner, the man responsible for Trump's Middle East policy, stated earlier this year that Israel should remove Palestinians entirely, seize their land, and develop it into fine real estate.
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Let me save you the trouble: Don't bother. If you are going to, pirate them. Don't give him a single cent.
Bart's very well-known for being a fraud. There are critiques of his work on Youtube that are almost as old as Youtube himself, and he got caught red-handed blatantly and deliberately lying many times. That "Halfway to the distance" video of his? It's edited to skip over parts of it that disprove his story, including the astronauts very obviously moving the camera back away from the window he claims they were pretending to be against, and shots of them filming without his trick.
He likes to pretend "The astronauts were afraid of me because they were confronted with the truth", then neglects to mention that was after he earned himself an arrest record for stalking and trespassing. (He's also got another criminal record for wrecking somebody's car by jumping on it because they took the spot he wanted).
Oh, by the way, if he tries to push that "son of an air force base officer" story, don't listen to it. The story's obviously bs. It tries to name the mission after a phrase (Slam Dunk) that was invented AFTER the moon landings, it has blatant anachronisms and references to people that had already retired or had no business being there, and Bart forgot to check the guy's details when fabricating the date his "deathbed confession" was made on because he date he uses was a year and a half before the fire mentioned in it.
We know this for a fact because the family put out a GoFundMe for it. Ooops.
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...... Trump literally started election denial in 2016 by claiming that the Iowa caucus was stolen from him, long before he became the frontrunner, and FOUR YEARS before the 2020 election. He wasn't challenging just because there was legitimate cause. He did it because he's a lying scumbag that was going to refuse the results if he lost, just like he did previous elections.
The election WAS investigated. Multiple times. You refused to accept the results every time. That's why several recounts had already happened before Trump's "perfect phone call", and why Cyber Ninja, the Republican company hired by Republicans, is bankrupt after finding that Biden won better than before.
If the only thing Donald Trump did was challenge the results, his associates would not be on their way to prison because they were caught on a security camera breaking into election servers and stealing data. Once again, the Republican party tries to pull a Watergate and gets caught.
2000 Mules is the one that got caught lying through their teeth, right? As I recall from their debunkings, they:
- Lied about how accurate those pings are, discounted legitimate reason to be at the location or passing by, and discounted people dropping off ballots for family members
- Lied about drop offs "hiding their identity" with masks and gloves and not.... say.... wearing them because they're a PLAGUE and everybody and their brother is masked and gloved.
- Claimed people visited multiple locations, but gave zero evidence that they had
- Lied about the fact that ballot harvesting is legal in some places, and made no effort to ascertain that people dropping off groups of ballots weren't people with legitimate reason to do so, like nursing home workers delivering ballots for the infirm.
- Didn't they also get caught cropping images to try and claim that people "visited multiple times" by cropping images and reusing images from the same shot?
Come on, man. The Apollo hoaxers do this garbage literally every single day. They'd have your wallet in ten minutes. There's a reason you didn't ride that ship to court - because perjury is a felony.
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@beaman444 The farther away an object is, the less it changes as you move. A mountain 10-15 miles away isn't going to change a whole lot if you move a few hundred feet. Overlapping the pictures (as opposed to simply showing them side-by-side) shows they're not exact, by the way.
I grew up with a mountain looming out my bedroom window. It looked the same from basically everywhere in the neighborhood.
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The "problem they still have to solve" isn't radiation poisoning. it's damage to the ELECTRONICS that run this ship (which is explicitly mentioned in the video). Modern computers are weaker to radiation; it's one of the side effects of circuit miniaturization, and this gets worse the smaller and more compact your components get. The hoaxers really, really don't like it when you point this out.
It doesn't matter if your astronauts get sick or not if the ship crashes because stuff stopped working.
Also, that video was a hype video to promote their upcoming test a month or so later. It's most likely exaggerating a bit to make their shit seem more important to people that are likely not well-versed. That was several years ago. The test already happened almost a decade ago.
Just as a correction, the astronauts wouldn't have traveled through the belts in the LEM. With the possible exception of Apollo 13's return trip, they would have been in the Command Module, which is much thicker.
Incidentally, Jack Swigert of Apollo 13 died of nose cancer that spread to his marrow a few years later.
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Oh and by the way, anybody that claims they would need to have lead shielding is lying. Straight up lying, don't bother listening to them.
The Belts are beta radiation, which requires low-density materials such as aluminum, plastic, and acrylic glass because it creates secondary radiation when it hits heavy metals - meaning using lead shielding is suicidal. This process is called bremsstrahlung if you want to look it up, and same process is how your dentist creates their x-rays to begin with.
An x-ray machine creates its x-rays by accelerating loose electrons at a piece of metal.
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@davidpaulk5658 Well, for starters, his "faking the distance" video is pure bs. Not only does his trick not work (if they were actually in orbit, the clouds and landmasses would be visually moving), he GOT CAUGHT editing the footage to deliberately remove sections of it that disproved him because people weren't' stupid and checked his vs NASA's.
This includes shots of them filming without his trick within seconds of clips he used. There's a reason he doesn't let people comment on his Youtube channel.
The "whack him" is nothing more than juvenile smack talk. He forged credentials from either Discovery or History channel to get into.... I think it was Edgar Mitchell's house. After Mitchell swore on his bible and told him to get out, Bart refused, trying to goad him with "I'll hit you so you can sue me" until Mitchell gave him the literal boot.
As he left, one of Mitchell's family members came out and started sarcastically mocking him.
Come on, the CIA knows where he lives, where he works, and whether he squeezes the middle or end of his toothpaste. If they were going to do anything about Mr Fake Jason Bourne there, they'd have done so 20 years ago.
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@JudaismIslamUnited Uh-huh. And the proof of this is.......? OH wait, there isn't any, because no Flat Earther ever does this second experiment. I have not seen a single one do this, ever. Zero, nada, zilch, and I get treated as though I'm insane every single time I ask one about this.
You know, like YOU did the first time we had this conversation, a month ago. And then in order to cover your ass, you lied and pretended "Yeah, I totally did that test!" and thought I'd buy it despite the fact that you'd previously had no clue WHY this test would be done - and therefore would not have done so. I mean.... why would you? It's not like the other Flat Earthers told you to. You can't copy something that doesn't exist.
Go on, post your results, Pinocchio. Film it and show everybody. I'll wait.
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@wittkrieg The Earth would be much smaller than the window, which is what we see. The "earth shine" is just glare, either tinted by the bright blue Earth, or it's being tinted by the coating on the window for the UV and IR protection. A few seconds later, once the camera is fully adjusted, the window's pure white, as are all of the other windows on the ship (including the ones facing away), and stay that way for the next twenty minutes.
Fun fact, this took place AFTER another sequence where the camera zooms out and shows a small Earth outside - no trick. If they were "pretending to be in orbit", then they left Earth, filmed the other footage, then came back.
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Also, by the way, Bart's trick doesn't actually work. The minimum speed to stay in orbit is over 17,000 miles per hour, and the clips he used are 12-15 minutes each. If the astronauts were in orbit, the astronauts would crossed between 1/8 and 1/6 of the entire - far enough to completely cross oceans or continents - and the visible features would have completely changed. You wouldn't be able to maintain the illusion for more than a minute.
Either the astronauts are far enough away to be in geosynchronous orbit - which means crossing the very belts that are the entire reason for the hoax in the first place - or that is not the Earth. Either way, Bart's wrong.
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