Comments by "upabittoolate" (@upabittoolate) on "Mom Makes Son Fight (Video)" video.

@moonrice555 I work with kids now. I teach math at a charter high school as well as coaching there. It's a last-chance high school if you're keeping score. And believe me, that rage has always been there. I'm 35. My generation, for the most part, was raised to process our rage a different way. When a teacher, coah or kid pissed us off, we either knocked somebody out in practice or over-consumed on weekends. I'm not saying it's right but it's what we did.
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@gdogg2000 I was thinking the exact same thing. Yes, words & understanding are always the best. But when it's time to fight, it's time to fight. And the mother is trying to get the bullshit squashed before it escalates. She's being very old school. It's may not be on neutral ground but it looks like a fair 1 to me. Also, it's easy to see a 3min video sans any context & get all uptight. But we don't know the context. We don't know what led to this fight. Here's hoping this is the end of it.
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@ytgv3fc7 And you're correct about us not being able to see who the aggressor is. But we can see that the kid is at the other kid's home. That means a little something to a prosecutor. Provocation is always 1 of those things that's fluid. It's usually about who escalated, in a physical way, 1st. I'm inclined to believe that's what judges are looking at.
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@moonrice555 The postulate that kids are stupid & can't squash things is silly. You can't assume their babies & make all their decisions for them. As they progress into young adulthood, they get more mature, make better decisions & gain more responsibilities. If you treat them like idiots, all they'll ever do is be idiots. If you treat them like people, they'll start acting like real people.
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@moonrice555 Since you're only going by what you saw, you can't really talk about initial culpability. You can only observe that this fight is happening at the 1 kid's home. Any way you slice it, the other kid was in the wrong. You don't bring personal beef to a guy's doorstep unless 1, you feel the need to threaten everyone in his home & 2, you feel like DEALING with everyone in his home.
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@CasperCee Then criticize his stupidity; not his ethnic background.
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@CasperCee Since when is antisemitism restricted to political outlook? That's kinda fact-omissive. Doncha think?
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Also, Cenk & Ana are disregarding the fact that this IS happening in his front yard. It's 1 thing to say, "it's an assault that's happening in public periphery." But look closer, you may say, "hold on a sec!" then ask, "why is the kid bringing this bullshit to the other kid's house?" I don't know about you. But if a guy tries to bring aggression to the place where I rest my head, where I eat my meals, where my family escapes from the rest of the world's craziness, we're gonna tangle. Am I right?
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She IS teaching him something. She's teaching him to defend his home. Perhaps some of what I'm saying derives from the fact that my own roots are traced not only back to the South but also to N. Ireland. There's a "culture of honor" that, no matter how cosmopolitan, educated & urbane I may be, is still an integral part of my being. It probably sounds like psycho-babble to you but that "culture" is very real. It's 1 thing to walk away from a fight. But you gotta fight when threatened at home.
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@moonrice555 The mom did fine here. It was as fair a fight as she could make it. They got it off their chests. It's squashed. The problem is that this liberal bullshit (I mean social liberalism not political liberalism) is turning kids into gun-toting pussies instead of people who know how to man-up.
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@CasperCee You made it part of your insult. That's the problem with fallacies & that's my problem with your attempt to insult his stupidity.
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Why does Cenk think this is an assault. This is just a dust-up. And at this point, the mom has already said, "I don't want them jumping my son in school". Cenk & Ana are wrong this time.
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@CasperCee Yes. That would make me a racist because your race is taking precedence over your stupidity. How you identify racially has nothing to do with any substantive discussion. If I were to say "you're 1 stupid Mexican" that IS racist. Is it above your mental pay-grade to just call a PERSON dumb instead of including an entire race in your insult?... On 2nd thought, don't answer that. You're obviously a dumb, White person.
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@moonrice555 It doesn't matter what the mom's motives are. The kid came to the other kid's house. I'm not a trial lawyer but I'm feeling an interpretation of a make-my-day law coming on. I'm probably sounding like a total meathead to you right now. But a person's territory is a major factor in situations like this.
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@ytgv3fc7 I absolutely can assume that. Yes, there are boxers that don't like each other. But they aren't fighting for spite. They're fighting for money or bragging rights. Any satisfaction for beating someone you don't like is secondary to the spirit of the match. And the controls to keep a fight safe are in place. Cornermen, fight doctors, referees & time constraints are the controls. I think you understand what I mean when I'm discerning between a scrape & a boxing match.
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@moonrice555 You can be old school. You just have to understand that not everyone is that way. Either way, you're trying to argue hypotheticals while I'm talking about what actually happened. Let's stick to the actual context. The mom is saying, "This kid is bringing his problem to my son at my HOUSE. I don't want this shit escalating at school. Let's squash it now." What does the new school do? Allow harassment to continue? Wait 'til it happens in school?
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@moonrice55 You say, "she should know better." What's better in your estimation? As has been stated, words & understanding are always the best solution. But when a mu'fucka is bringing shit to your HOME, it's time to go. The mom understands what's necessary to raise a man. A man protects his house & fights when he has to. This is when he has to. Listen to the dialogue. She didn't let anyone jump anyone. So there's obviously some sense of limits. Kids aren't "stupid". Kids just need to be taught.
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While I agree that it's a fist fight, I think you're making it too black & white. You have to examine the level of violence, who provoked it & who escalated it. A boxing match is an athletic competition between 2 participants who agreed to engage under a certain set of rules. It's assumed that a level of safety, fairness & sportsmanship is maintained. It's assumed that the 2 participants are matched in ability. It's also assumed that boxing, while violent, is not an act of malice or animus.
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@moonrice555 No. I.m not assuming the fight will clear up the matter. What I KNOW is that the kid will think twice the next time he wants to bring the bullshit to the other kid's HOME. Kids aren't any more pissed off than we were. For what it's worth, my parents actually had to drink from different water fountains than their White counterparts. My mom was orphaned at 7 & raised, in part, by abusive aunts. My mom had plenty of reasons to be pissed. My dad was a SHARECROPPER.
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@moonrice555 Yes. In a perfect world your wife could jog then. But this is the world we live in & I gotta ask why your wife would even want to jog at such an ungodly hour. As for it being realistic that kids can squash it with a fistfight? Of COURSE. You can't just assume that the values you're teaching a kid aren't working.
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@moonrice555 My parents did a fine job of providing me with a better childhood than theirs. But growing up on the South Side of Chicago tends to harden a person. That's just how it is. So your premise that "kids are angrier" isn't conventional wisdom in my opinion. You're talking about HER son starting it? Maybe. But who came to whom's home? (I'm not sure about the grammar but that's a nice tongue-twister.)
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@moonrice555 How can I know? Because I'm a man. You're a man (you said you have a wife so I'm assuming it's a "traditional" marriage). These may be kids, but they're also young men. Sometimes things stick in your craw. The old saying goes, "I can take an ass-whooping but I can't accept 1". I think that rule applies here. He got the fair 1. They actually understand each other now. 1 kid understands that talking trash leads to fighting. The other kid knows that his adversary will defend himself.
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@moonrice555 No. The implication, as you put it, is 1-sided conjecture. But I'll concede that we can't assume it's in the 1 kid's yard. Fair enough. But even with that said, the mom is saying, "you guys fight it out now, get your blows in, & be done with it."
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@moonrice555 You're assuming you know the entire context. You don't; neither do I. The world may never know. But either way, you don't bring a fight to a guy's domicile. That's asking for it. You can't just present culpability as 1-sided because there's too much background that we don't know. So what if the boy DID say something. Does that qualify bringing the bullshit to his dwelling? The only way I could see this as valid is if the kid had already gone to the other's resting place. Feel me?
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@moonrice555 Our generations didn't brawl in the other guy's front yard. We met after school, found an alley & used a neutral place. Coming to a guy's house is asking for it.
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@CasperCee I never said you did. I asked whether or not ethnicity is associated with saying something stupid or smart. Judaism is a belief system. Being Jewish is an ethnicity. We can't act like they're mutually exclusive any more than we can pretend intellect is somehow associated to race. If indeed race or religion don't matter to you, don't piggyback either in your insult. Just say, "Your remark was stupid". Hell, just say, "YOU'RE stupid." Otherwise you're a latent racist.
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@moonrice555 Bear a few factors here. The kid is older than 11 & the mom is 33. She was young when she had him. I'm saying that to say that if you want some context as to why kids are taught the kid of restraint of anger (or relocation of it, depending of how you look at it), look at the age of the parents. Believe me, it's not that kids aren't sated with a fist fight. It's that they aren't taught to leave it at that. Here, the mom is doing exactly that.
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