Comments by "Mortablunt" (@Mortablunt) on "I watched Wagner's Movie about the War in Ukraine (Realistic?)" video.

Yes a reference to tradition as something meaningful and beneficial. I’m hardly a traditionalist but even I consider that quite wholesome and inspiring to have a symbol of deep meaning of connection which means so much to you that you would put off of life and death struggle just for its respect.
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The Russians make really great war movies, some of the stuff can be cringe or propaganda, but the number of astounding films they make about war is remarkable. A few top recommendations 1. Battalion (2015) - a real life story from World War I about girl soldiers and isn’t woke at all 2. Panfilov’s 28 - A semi legendary story of basically Russia’s Spartans 300 at Moscow 3. Chistilischie - Chechnya 1 Battle of Grozy urban warfare hell 4. Afghan Breakdown - A major makes a dirty deal with some tribesman to secure evacuation for his men in the final days of the Afghan war 5. White Tiger - A film about tank combat in World War II
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The thing about characters not reacting much when comrades die is because when you are at war you’re doing your job and you don’t have time to Mobile round for three days because someone was killed you have a job to do. Emotional processing and come later when you’re not actively working. It doesn’t take very long for this psychological shift to happen either.
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Thanks for all the hot air, Lars that’s gonna keep me warm and toasty, for the rest of this yardwork!
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it’s really gotten to me watching on Telegram how many Ukrainians speak Russian or clearly have rational Russian cultural artifacts on them. Premium government has its preferred angles for what official language should be and what marks if you Ukrainian and then you see authentic footage of clearly Ukrainian soldiers who are speaking Russian and have Russian names and have Russian icons with them.
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Maybe it can be interpreted as he survived the Nazis and now his grandson is off to save people from the Nazis? Yeah I know the film directly contradicts this it’s not a bad bit of symbolism if you go off the actors.
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I’m a cop and a bit more cynical about it. I just see it as taking rotten dangerous people and making them even more dangerous. It’s nice poetry about paying your penance to the motherland with your blood and there’s nice fiction all it takes to sort someone out is a good bit of state sanctioned discipline but my opinion the confluence of factors to make someone a hardened felon like the people who got recruited into Wagner from the prisons is a lot more complicated than they just needed a bit of direction in life. I wouldn’t want my local neighborhood hoodlums getting all expenses paid education and violence followed by a six month period of actually inflicting it. But we shall see; sociologists will determine if it was a good idea or not.
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Given it’s a wartime production by the technically aggressor side (I am ignoring the prior eight years of events in favor of the formal commencement of regular military operations) I expected it to be way meaner and jinjoistic. The fact none of Ukrainians are Nazis or wearing SS patches nor there’s no narrative about rescuing people from oppression. It says a lot about the Russian perspective of what they are doing and who they are fighting. I expected a pair of cringe fest given it’s a war time movie made by a mercenary company but instead I got a very great action movie and actually very tragically written.
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Deserter who turned traitor and went to go fight for the Nazis.
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I think it’s important to remember to hold onto good basic values regardless of the situation you find yourself in. In wartime having a good basic moral code found on Christianity and its tennets of rigorous ethics, mercy, and duty can serve you well, they can help you retain your humanity and avoid causing undue evil. When things are worst is when we need to remember what good is the most. There’s this modern idea that we can just deduce what is best for ourselves using our own reason. Not too long ago some people to do so it was best to sterilize and murder anyone they arbitrarily thought was genetically imperfect, reasoning it was best for society on the whole to not have to carry the burden of them into spare future generations from their defects. Once upon a time, using our own reason, we came to the conclusion people with darker skin tones weren’t really human and could be traded, owned, and treated like livestock, their status as property passed down through their generations. And still today, using our own reason we have a few states which still operate on the principle that anyone who is too superior to anyone else needs to be killed; The biggest state to do this like to justify whatever their latest madness was by claiming it was scientific or rationalistic. Our record as humans in determining what is right and wrong on our own is abysmal.
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I Telegram most of Ukrainian soldiers I see speak Russian. Of course the state finds Ukrainian speakers for official interviews and propaganda segments but in the majority of the authentic stuff I see has them clearly speaking Russian.
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Russian media and telegram channels are generally not hostile towards normal Ukrainian soldiers like those who are fighting in combat or otherwise serving honorably. They do however have plenty of heat for the Nazi battalions and also the Ukrainian soldiers who commit terrorist attacks against civilians with bombs and artillery. Ukrainian command is characterized as cruel and uncaring, most of the time, but there are plenty of instances where Ukrainian commanders who show concerned for their soldiers are treated with respect. General message is Ukrainians aren’t bad people and most of the soldiers aren’t bad either but they are abused by an evil government to do bad things to people, their own commanders throw away their lives uncaringly, and some soldiers are Nazis. Are they are portrayed as victims of circumstances mostly except for the ones who are in the Nazi units or otherwise choose to identify as Nazis. It’s a far more humane depiction than the orc personification Russian soldiers are given universally.
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Saving Private Ryan is highly emotionally manipulative and after the very nice gore of the opening scene it’s nothing special. I waited years to watch that movie and I wanted to smack everyone involved by the end.
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However to do that they would have an outside funding because they had a weak economy they before the war which means we have to be underwritten by the USA which would mean getting help from the department of defense which would come with all kinds of riders about representation and other messaging. Sadly cannot be so authentic nor neutral.
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@Kulak Lars doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. There are a couple war movies out there which are literally just documentaries with some framing. Restrepo is one. The candid combat and real deaths are significantly less graphic than you would expect. I know there are a few more, I know for sure there’s one in that was filmed authentically in Italy at the very end of World War II and features people being killed and rotting corpses for real. Real war is unlike the media product. Gore and violence are usually exaggerated for the sake of giving a good visual in depictions. Given things like bullet impacts which are basically unnoticeable in real life get exaggerated for the camera with a little pack of explosives and sometimes a thing of fake blood to create that juicy effect. Just watch any authentic all bad footage or even better yet a raw police shooting and you’ll see gunshots are not very dramatic at all. A properly fully realistic war movie shot to most of our dramatic conventions would be basically unwatchable. The closest I can think of is Jarhead which doesn’t feature even any realized combat. The weirdest shock going from a consumer of media to witness of combat was how death is rarely as depicted. Death through organized violence is a quick and casual. Very few people get time for a dramatic three minute death monologue where tearfully they make someone hold their hand and promise to take care of their little brother for them. And combat you don’t have time to comfort the dying or have a dramatic mental breakdown, you’re pumped full of adrenaline and too busy doing your job. The main emotional impact comes after when you finally have a the time and safety to cognitively process what you experienced; you don’t think about it in the moment because you’re preoccupied. And screaming and yelling after being wounded is less common than you would think; a lot of people are in shock or fainted when they got hit or they’ve already died. If they have chest wounds does a strong possibility their lungs are compromised so they can’t get the air pressure needed to make significant noise.
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So what about the part where Nazi death squads occupy the city for the prior eight years and kill people for the crime of speaking Russian in public?
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Possibly because it dares to be authentic about it instead of being like the thing from that Latvian Guy who somehow missed eight years of Nazi occupation happening right in front of them.
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