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Comments by "David Ford" (@davidford3115) on "Georgia: Russia’s Unsuspected Allied?" video.
Yeah, he seems to forget that Georgia had petitioned to join NATO before the Russian invasion in 2008. There is some discussion that the whole reason for the insurgency in South Ossetia was to give Putin a pretext to prevent Georgian ascension. In the process of nuking the application (can't have border disputes), Putin got a mostly compliant client government in Tiblisi. Me thinks that Putin's success in Georgia encouraged him to act first in Crimea, then in Donbas as the DNR/LNR folks followed the exact same playbook as Ossetia.
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Hence why the Baltic states so quickly clamored to join NATO. Even the Latvian foreign minister has come out and said they would have been invaded and recolonized by Russia if not for NATO ascension.
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The Russian invasion of South Ossetia shares many similarities to Russian actions in the Donbas. Considering that Georgia had applied for NATO ascension before the invasion, it makes you wonder.
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Yeah, the Ossetian insurgents make the EXACT same claims as the DNR/LNR folks. Same playbook. These guys are Astroturf.
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They had applied for NATO membership before the 2008 invasion nuked it.
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@sababugs1125 Ossetia belongs to Georgia just like Crimea belongs to Ukraine.
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Among some of the most loyal and effective forces fighting in Ukraine. The brotherhood between the Georgians, Belarusians, and Ukrainians is something to behold.
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Everyone uses people to their own advantage, even Russia. Don't kid yourself. Oh, and ask Armenia how great an alliance with Russia is. Azerbaijan begs to differ.
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Georgia had applied for NATO ascension before Russia invaded in 2008. There has been some discussion that the separatists in South Ossetia was merely a pretext to prevent Georgia from joining NATO. Considering that playbook was followed almost exactly the same in the Donbas makes you wonder.
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@auggieeast Again, back in 2006 NATO was mostly supportive on Georgia joining the alliance. Putin instigating those conflicts is what has kept Georgia out of the alliance for the foreseeable future.
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@okene Spot on. I first heard its pronunciation in the 90s when that ambassador killed someone while drunk driving. Was quite surprised that the Georgian governement allowed the local authorities in the US to prosecute him (his own government basically revoked his diplomatic immunity).
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@TomaTs1 I never was blaming NATO. The fault lies exclusively with Putin and the Kremlin. I was simply pointing out what was going on in their minds. Playing "devil's advocate" as it were.
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@TomaTs1 Yeah, I am familiar with Stalin's favorite tactic of relocating populations as well as drawing absurd lines on a map. Only the British in Africa could be considered more foolish.
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@eleneesakia6973 Yeah, I am disappointed at how NATO dragged its feet on Georgia. And most Europeans consider the Caucuses to be one of the dividers between Asia Minor and the European continent. Heck, Europeans are called CAUCASIAN, after the Caucuses.
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@selindenizcebi9952 Yeah, funny how becoming a shill for Putin suddenly makes the threats go away. There is a word for that: STOCKHOLM SYNDROME.
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Indeed. The Donbas insurgency followed the exact same playbook as the one in South Ossetia.
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@ernestkhalimov1007 Yeah, it is easy to say that when you have the government effectively under your thumb.
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Indeed. Caspian Report out of Azerbaijan has an interesting video on the conflict, but I would like a different perspective from someone NOT a part to that conflict. For my own part, I greatly sympathize with the Armenians, but their poor choice in "friends" with both Moscow and Tehran sours it.
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The Insurgency in South Ossetia followed the same playbook as the one in the Donbas. The invasion of Georgia had more to do with preventing NATO ascension of Georgia than it did about protecting minority populations.
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@markdowding5737 Fair points. A real mess indeed.
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@ernestkhalimov1007 Russian nukes are more likely to detonate in the silo than actually launch. Get over yourself.
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@ernestkhalimov1007 ALL talk of nuclear war invariably degenerates into hysteria over a nuclear winter. You refusing to acknowledge that only discredits you, not me.
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@williamsherman1942 I never said anything about Georgian chances against Russia in a conventional war. I was pointing out that fear mongering over nukes is just that: fear porn based not of fact but emotional blackmail. Looking at the Moskva, Admiral Kuznetsov, 1st Guards Tank Army, and now the 155 Naval Infantry Marine Brigade, it casts great doubt on the state of the Russian nuclear arsenal. if the most elite units of Russia's military are having a pathetic showing, then what builds confidence in the nuclear forces?
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@ernestkhalimov1007 Make a coherent argument. Your appeals to emotions show that you have nothing to back up your empty boasts. 1st Guards Tank Army, the Moskva, and now the 155 Naval Infantry show that the Russian Bear is geriatric.
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@georgekaradov1274 Not everyone born under the communist flag is a communist. Ever heard of Ayn Rand? How about Victoria Spartz? No, once one has declared their allegiance to communist ideology, they have made a Faustian Bargain. As Yoda once said, "If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will". Funny how quick you are to bring up typical leftist talking points not mentioned on cue like Pavlov's Dog. Who is the Russian Asset now?
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@georgekaradov1274 Once a communist, ALWAYS a communist. A Tiger does NOT change its stripes. Further, Ukraine has EVERY right to have a national defense force (ie Army). Belarus has one, but I don't hear you bitching about that. And the Minsk "agreements" were never valid to begin with. They blatantly ignored the Budapest Memorandum which had legal standing. The issue about wokism infecting the DoD is a red herring (logical fallacy) and is a deflection on your part because you don't actually want to debate the actual issue at hand.
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@georgekaradov1274 Yeah, where have I heard that story before? Oh yeah, the Russian pretext to invade Ukraine. Put down the vodka comrade, you are so drunk you are hallucinating.
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@ernestkhalimov1007 Will they be able to again after Ukraine has mauled them?
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Pure copium. If the King of Artillery was a great as you claim, there is no reason why Russia is not in Kiev right now.
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Yeah, I was wondering why they didn't take the opportunity to expel the Russians in the middle of 2022. Now that I know they have a compliant government, it makes more sense.
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There was much opportunity in the Gorbachev/Yeltsen era. Sadly, that was lost with Putin's arrival in the Kremlin.
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@markdowding5737 Yeah, I find myself wondering why they didn't reach out to Kazakhstan or China to help mediate the dispute. China isn't any better than Iran, but at least they have more credibility in guaranteeing the peace.
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@georgekaradov1274 Angela Merkel? You cite the woman who was a member of the East German Communist Youth League who sold her country into slavery to Russian oil? But I get it, you are so hard on for Putin that you would blatantly ignore that the US alone could wipe the floor with Russia if they wanted to. The thing is, American's don't have the imperialist mindset of Muscovites.
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Yeah, I found myself wondering why they didn't take the opportunity in mid 2022. Finding out that there is a compliant government in Tbilisi explains much.
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@2211gk No, but if the Kharkov and Kherson offensives have shown, the residual forces there are a paper tiger.
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@bhaashatepe5234 "Internationally recognized peace keepers"? BY WHOM? Who recognized them? NOBODY. You are ret-conning history to support Kremlin fictions.
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@georgekaradov1274 You do realize that the first two months Ukraine WAS ALONE? Maybe they got some support from Poland, but with the exception of HIMARS and possibly the M777, the Kherson and Kharkov offensives were fought using only Soviet and Warsaw Pact equipment. NATO gear is only now getting to the frontlines in significant quantities.
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@samsungtv4u Wow that Vodka you are drinking must be pretty powerful for you to hallucinate. Being occupied by the Muscovites does NOT mean that they own Ukraine. But then someone completely ignorant of history wouldn't bother to know that. PS, Mexico stole Texas from Spain, so no, Texas does NOT belong to Mexico.
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@sandromain Yeah, the Ossetia insurgency has about the same legitimacy as the Donbas one. Namely NONE. Putin's "little green men" are who most of your Abkhazia fighters actually are. Oh, and your long dissertation posts are not an argument, they are proof by verbosity (logical fallacy). Brevity is the great eloquence of charm.
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@guydreamr Indeed. In most cases, DipImn covers minor infractions like jaywalking or parking fines. Most governments take a very dim view of their diplomatic agents engaging in serious crimes such as drug trafficking or manslaughter. Usually in those cases the host country declares them persona non-gratta and they are deported to prevent claims of hostage taking.
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@ernestkhalimov1007 Michael Crichton demonstrated why "nuclear winter" is an unsubstantiated myth unsupported by ANY hard data. Further, the rebuilding of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after only 20 years shows that the radiation left after the detonation is significantly lower than predicted. The reason is that most if not all of the fuel is consumed, and the daughter products have only moderate duration hazards. For further proof, look no further than Bikini Atoll where people are able to dive on the wrecks of the Operation: Crossroads test subjects.
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