Comments by "" (@WildWoodsGirl65) on "Yule vs Winter Solstice: The Viking Origins of Christmas" video.

It's really quite recent in the course of human history. & The religion didn't even start til a couple of centuries after he was around. Then a bunch of higher up clergy didn't like all the revelry & drunkenness (& hey ya can't religious tax a population that isn't attending & call it tithing), & those men left records, written correspondence & directives, papal decrees, etc, spelling out the plan to change the date to replace Roman holidays & later, other cultures' solstice rituals, & incorporate the familiar practices & traditions to make it feel less foreign & more attractive. It's documented. It was deliberate. & ...Always? Um.... Even Christian sources admit all this & unbiased sources document the time period it began & cite government & church records on this. They didn't even celebrate Christmas until they decided to spread the power of the church. Astronomy proves it was not in Dec he was born bc the star wouldn't have been visible in winter. & It isn't on Dec 25th in every country now nor has it ever been during it's existence. There isn't just one tradition. What seems the one thing in the States isn't the same as Orthodox still, or the original. Even within the US the denominations' beliefs vary widely. Many churches acknowledge the date change & reason for it bc a council.of bishops & cardinals decided that & wrote a creed & I used to know in what year but it was not in the beginning, but much later.
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@truegravee 😁 Ok but it's not about conspiracy. People like to think their way is best. We know the church actively converted people & we know the records exist. They didn't do this secretly. & Judaism did have winter celebrations. Christianity did move theirs. I'm not guessing. I'm reporting historical fact clergy of the time had written by scribes. They thought it was right to do so. They were devout & they wanted to increase followers. It did impact people but it's not paranoid or a conspiracy theory. It's in a series of creeds written at councils. It's a fact. But you do you, man.
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@truegravee 😂 & You're ignoring the fact that pagans can claim their own ancestral traditions & be entirely disinterested in the toxic genocidal systems some colonizing power & wealth seeking control freak men & countries applied as if it were anything like the guy Christianity pretends to worship or the religion that guy actually was a rabbi in. We'll call out the bs but we really are not here on a pagan site out of any interest in the Abrahamic religions that competitively or forcefully & extremely arrogantly hijacked whole cultures. We're here to reclaim or honor our ancestral ways, mostly, to get away from that institution or bc we've never been part of it nor interested in it. Bye.
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There are videos on topics like that on this channel. Were they mortals once, too, is included.
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That does sound like a combination of Celtic, Saxon, & applied to Norse. There was the Danelaw & Norse-Gaels & multiple places where these cultures intermixed in the now UK, & it could have blended there but the Celtic veil thinning is the beginning of the darker months, Samhain ("sah-wen") Celtic end of & start of a new year. Both times involved food offerings & food shared. There were times & places when Samhain & Hallowe'en couldn't be celebrated. There have been food offerings to invoke plenty in winter celebrations in many northern cultures. To this day Northumbria sounds like Norse Celts in accent & vocab. Old traditions in the UK include straw men & star boys. Cultures meet & sometimes something comes from before cultures split & evolved separately. But ancestors were honored & included in feasts, & didn't need the veil to thin to receive food offerings or intervene on behalf of living relatives. There's ancestor belief in Norse ways. Any day or time of year, but observed especially commonly during celebrations when everyone would remember & include ancestors.
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The Norwegian 8 pt star sometimes called a Selbu star. It's ancient. It represents the sun, & is a female representation of the sun in winter, & of the coming rebirth of the male aspect of the same sun, as its summer version of itself. It's a very popular knitting pattern & an old motif in many northern cultures. It gets called a snowflake but isn't, yet is divided like one for similarity, to signify winter. It's far older than northern awareness that Bethlehem exists. It is one of many things that were explained differently later so they could continue to be used.
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@mattiethemongoose3rd What area & culture it's in affects meaning & context. For instance it's also used by indigenous people in North America, known as the Lakota star. (Or Sioux star but that name is an insult, the French traders translating something, but I digress.) It symbolizes the morning star to them & other meanings. People using nature designs when making things by weaving, quillwork, knitting, basketry, beading, embroidery, carving stone before they had steel tools, etc tended to use geometric shapes the materials easily allowed. Lots of motifs show up in many places before contact so they're either really really ancient or observing the same features in nature & appreciating the same things. I love that. But 😁 I just thought I'd mention the symbolism of this star in northern Europe is of their own culture, not adopted through contact. Bc it's easy to see something from a perspective familiar to us & think oh, it must mean... & I like to understand what it means in that place. Knowing the differences helps me see the similarities too, that it can mean something to diverse people in their own ways is cool, to me. 😁 Sure beats the conformity some guys in history have tried to enforce. It's good to be ourselves, yeah? 🤙
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Food & drink. Evergreens. Risengrøt to the nisse. (Household spirit guy some mistakenly call gnomes which may be cousins or something but are distinct. He showed two pictures You can look up that meaning, how to treat them & why. They're also called tomte.).
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@dietrichess9997 It didn't used to be one day. So many people in the US that claim christianity dislike "holiday season," get upset or nasty about "Happy Holidays," & snap at me if I say Merry or Happy anything except on Dec. 25th. But why even on the Eve, I'll never understand bc that used to be when gifts were exchanged & the tree lit, & people who were religious went to church on THAT night & still do! The Twelve Days of Christmas - Dec 25th to Jan 5th. Advent is a month long. & For Catholics but also various non-Catholic "old countries," multiple saints' days throughout Dec & Jan. But they're so medievally afraid someone will think they're not good Christians that they really must fail to "love thy neighbor as thyself"?!?! Lmao man. I grew up in the NE where it runs from Thanksgiving to mid Jan. & It lasts til Jan 13th in parts of Scandinavia. They don't want to include Dec 5th & 6th, Sinterklaas or St. Nick's Day & claim it hurts God. One dude was a bishop in Turkey & the other a wealthy guy in the Netherlands who saw tragic marriages & heartbreak & tossed coins through windows cracked to prevent CO2 poisoning to shoes & stockings drying by a hearth to provide dowries to young women so they had a choice who to marry & he did it the rest of his life with all his funds. So one's clergy & the other's doing food works & somehow they threaten an omnipotent being?! 😂 I doubt this makes any sense to anyone who gave it a second's thought so clearly they aren't thinking. And they've heard the carol, Twelve Days of Christmas, say they don't know when that is, don't look it up, just growl about the word holiday. Christmas is their holiday. New Year's Eve & Day are holidays if they're aware of nothing else, holidays, plural. Nah they secretly hate holidays bc generosity of spirit annoys them & they can't imagine that except in relation to spent money. Rigidity has made them miserable. Flexibility seems sacred to me. It makes for a healthy not poisonous attitude. I came from a melting pot neighborhood that shared each others' traditions So nobody had to give up the gathering & community aspects of their own. & So I celebrate everything in a secular way - except I'm not out there catching innocent wrens & I don't hit midnight mass. It's fun. When society gets too, too, serious, especially about rigid dogma, bad stuff starts becoming rampant... Yuck. I celebrate everything in quiet defiance of fundamentalist snark & stinginess with the merry where I now live. Bigotry is ridiculous. Christian bigotry is ultra so, & they are shunning their own religion's traditions in superstition about punishment for not being bigots & I mean, please! 🙄 So klompen with carrots, Lucia buns & candles on a wreath, stockings (I pity the fool that orders me who to marry! Freedom, thanks! I celebrate those guys, you betcha!), 8 nights of light from a drop of oil plus F the Nazis who put my childhood neighbor in Dachau so menorah on the windowsill in solidarity, candle in the window for solstice, tree in the house, red ornaments etc, julbok & nisser, etc etc as well as my own spiritual practices. & I have an instant way to ID closed minds & xenophobes & religious phobics & snots & clear any out before the new year. 😁 & I'm happier than they are.
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 @dietrichess9997 A little long winded of me, sorry. Does it help if I add, end rant? 😂
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Dude was a Jewish rabbi.... K, I'll shut up now. I don't actually want to discuss middle eastern religions. That's their roots, not mine.
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@faramund9865 I've always seen that one called Niår blot. Not Nyar blot which means new year blot, but Ni nine, år year, blot. Idk if that's an old term or relatively recent bc of the timespan between. There's another name for the nine year blot too & I can't think where I've seen it, right now. I'll try to remember what, & where all I've seen it.
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He's telling us sources & traditions are christianized or affected by christianity. But that Jól was celebrated 3 full moons after midwinter/solstice is also in the material in this video.
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Your winter solstice is in June. If Jól is 3 full moons after the solstice then there you go but it's ok & you can celebrate it along with the home territories of it without anyone getting offended about it if you want, or do both. It is rooted or originates with the sun, rebirth of the sun but you are not covered in ice & snow for months, right? If your area is hot, the other aspects might be more easily heartfelt than calling up heat to hurry, lol.
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Hey, have you ever read Matt. 6:5? Maybe you ought to ... And look up its meaning & why it was written.
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That's sounds like something a Gardnerian might leap to conclude. I don't think it's traditional. That type of fertility belief is centered on spring, even among Wiccans. The Wiccan take on winter solstice goings on is Oak King vs Holly King, & to my knowledge is not sexuality/fertility oriented ritual or symbolism. That follows the return of the light that they are conscious of at midwinter & their anglicized concept of Yule. But they have fb groups & online communities & idk but maybe video channels, too. If that's your path you can locate others & ask them. Tbc, I'm not Wiccan, I've just met a few & read seasonal posts outlining their beliefs, which of course are written by individuals. You can find them & see if that was your mom's personal take on it or if there are smaller groups among them with that same belief. The internet can put us in contact with anyone.
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It comes from old Anglo-Saxon spelling, with a silent G, geol, pronounced yohl with almost a u & people in some UK areas still speak with an accent that o & u have different sounds than many English speaking places. Looks different, but sounds very like Jól. The spelling has changed in the language very much over the centuries. Few people can read old English. But old English is a Germanic language. It comes from archaic Lower German. The other influences got added, Latin, notably. But it's Germanic at the root.
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