Comments by "ashley bishop" (@ashleybishop7248) on "HILARIOUS Meltdown By Right-Wingers Who Claim Biden's Dropping Out Is Unfair" video.
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There are several presidents who never received a primary vote: John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Andrew Johnson, Chester A. Arthur, and of course, Gerald Ford. In any case, presidential nominees aren't actually chosen by primaries - several states don't even have primaries. The party has always chosen the candidate who will be on the final ticket. That's what the conventions are for. The Democratic convention hasn't taken place yet, so the Democratic presidential nominee has yet to be chosen. That's the way the process works and has worked for a long time.
In fact, Biden didn't necessarily have to drop out of the race to lose his place on the Democratic ticket. Other candidates could have thrown their hat in the ring, earned more delegates and been elected as the presidential nominee at the DNC. And really, nothing is stopping that from happening now. That's the process. Miller and the rest of the magat weirdos wringing their hands over this KNOW how this works. They're bitching anyway because it triggers their magat base (who don't have a clue).
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@tanajohnson3663 When you vote in a primary, you are nominating a candidate, not electing one. Primaries are a party process, not a government one. A century ago there were no primaries, and a half a century ago they were the exception. There are states today that still don't have primary elections. The party has always chosen the candidate who will be on the final ticket. That's what the conventions are for. The Democratic convention hasn't taken place yet, so the Democratic presidential nominee has yet to be chosen. That's the way the process works and has worked for a long time. Personally I'm all for doing away with delegates, conventions and the electoral college. But that's not the system we're working under.
In fact, Biden didn't necessarily have to drop out of the race to lose his place on the Democratic ticket. Other candidates could have thrown their hat in the ring, earned more delegates and been elected as the presidential nominee at the DNC. And really, nothing is stopping that from happening now. And FTR, delegates haven't always represented what the majority wants or the guy most popular with the people or who did the best in the primaries.
There's a history of delegates switching up, compromising, and going along to get along. For instance, only 22% of the delegates voted for Abraham Lincoln on the first ballot at the Republican convention in 1860. At the 1880 Republican Convention, not a single delegate voted at first for the eventual nominee. The 1924 Democratic convention is famous for being a complete cluster f (seriously nuts - go read about it). Polk received no votes on the first ballot at the 1844 Democratic convention. And so on and so forth. These conventions have been described as “brokered,” and historians note that the final outcome often was the result of backroom deals. But they also concede it’s perfectly legitimate.
When it's all said and done, the DNC/RNC via delegates are the ones who choose our presidential nominees. THAT IS OUR PROCESS. Biden was NOT the nominee, and he dropped out. It's not the first time that's happened, either. Miller and the rest of the magat weirdos can go on and on about the horror of it all, but they're just pissing in the wind. This is a big nothingburger.
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@SmashKing17 I'll address this comment separately: "This is unprecedented for there to be a nominee that has never got a single vote in the primary."
Hardly unprecedented. In fact, a century ago, political parties did not select their nominees through primary elections. Instead, parties ran their own processes using their own rules, and hearing from—mostly—party stalwarts. In other words, nominees were selected in the proverbial smoke-filled back room. (Examples of a few in previous post)
Half a century ago, primaries were still uncommon. By then, in an effort to be more inclusive, caucuses had largely replaced insider decision-making. At a caucus, the rank-and-file could express support for the candidates of their choice. Still, only highly motivated party members attended caucuses, then or now.
And still today, there are several states which have no primaries.
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@tanajohnson3663 I keep having to copy/paste myself because you lunatics don't understand anything. Primaries are not a governmental process, but one of party. The party has always chosen the candidate who will be on the final ticket. That's what the conventions are for. A century ago there were no primaries, and a half century ago they were the exception. There are still states that have no primaries. When you vote in a primary, you are nominating a candidate, not electing one. The Democratic convention hasn't taken place yet, so the Democratic presidential nominee has yet to be chosen. That's the way the process works and has worked for a long time. Personally I'm all for doing away with delegates, conventions and the electoral college. But that's not the system we're working under.
In fact, Biden didn't necessarily have to drop out of the race to lose his place on the Democratic ticket. Other candidates could have thrown their hat in the ring, earned more delegates and been elected as the presidential nominee at the DNC. And really, nothing is stopping that from happening now. And FTR, delegates haven't always represented what the majority wants or the guy most popular with the people or who did the best in the primaries.
There's a history of delegates switching up, compromising, and going along to get along. For instance, only 22% of the delegates voted for Abraham Lincoln on the first ballot at the Republican convention in 1860. At the 1880 Republican Convention, not a single delegate voted at first for the eventual nominee. The 1924 Democratic convention is famous for being a complete cluster f (seriously nuts - go read about it). Polk received no votes on the first ballot at the 1844 Democratic convention. And so on and so forth. These conventions have been described as “brokered,” and historians note that the final outcome often was the result of backroom deals. But they also concede it’s perfectly legitimate.
When it's all said and done, the DNC/RNC via delegates are the ones who choose our presidential nominees. THAT IS OUR PROCESS. Biden was NOT the nominee, and he dropped out. It's not the first time that's happened, either. Miller and the rest of the magat weirdos can go on and on about the horror of it all, but they're just pissing in the wind. This is a big nothingburger.
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@marcusgaming7114 Somewhat true (then there's the case of Trump screwing Ohio out of its delegates, etc.) and the fact that delegates, like the electoral college, does not necessitate that the person with the most votes wins. Personally I'm all for doing away with delegates, the conventions, the electoral college and just basing the winner on whoever gets the most votes. But that's not the system we're working under.
There's a history of delegates switching up, compromising, and going along to get along. For instance, only 22% of the delegates voted for Abraham Lincoln on the first ballot at the Republican convention in 1860. At the 1880 Republican Convention, not a single delegate voted at first for the eventual nominee. The 1924 Democratic convention is famous for being a complete cluster f. Polk received no votes on the first ballot at the 1844 Democratic convention. And so on and so forth. These conventions have been described as “brokered,” and historians note that the final outcome often was the result of backroom deals. But they also concede it’s perfectly legitimate.
When it's all said and done, the DNC/RNC via delegates are the ones who choose our presidential nominees. Biden was NOT the nominee, and he dropped out. It's not the first time that's happened, either. Miller and the rest of the magat weirdos can go on and on about the horror of it all, but they're just pissing in the wind. This is a big nothingburger.
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@SmashKing17 Or there a NO primaries, as is the case in several states. The party has always chosen the candidate who will be on the final ticket. That's what the conventions are for. The Democratic convention hasn't taken place yet, so the Democratic presidential nominee has yet to be chosen. That's the way the process works and has worked for a long time. Personally I'm all for doing away with delegates, conventions and the electoral college. But that's not the system we're working under.
In fact, Biden didn't necessarily have to drop out of the race to lose his place on the Democratic ticket. Other candidates could have thrown their hat in the ring, earned more delegates and been elected as the presidential nominee at the DNC. And really, nothing is stopping that from happening now. And FTR, delegates haven't always represented what the majority wants or the guy most popular with the people or who did the best in the primaries.
There's a history of delegates switching up, compromising, and going along to get along. For instance, only 22% of the delegates voted for Abraham Lincoln on the first ballot at the Republican convention in 1860. At the 1880 Republican Convention, not a single delegate voted at first for the eventual nominee. The 1924 Democratic convention is famous for being a complete cluster f (seriously nuts - go read about it). Polk received no votes on the first ballot at the 1844 Democratic convention. And so on and so forth. These conventions have been described as “brokered,” and historians note that the final outcome often was the result of backroom deals. But they also concede it’s perfectly legitimate.
When it's all said and done, the DNC/RNC via delegates are the ones who choose our presidential nominees. THAT IS OUR PROCESS. Biden was NOT the nominee, and he dropped out. It's not the first time that's happened, either. Miller and the rest of the magat weirdos can go on and on about the horror of it all, but they're just pissing in the wind. This is a big nothingburger.
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