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Comments by "Dale Crocker" (@dalecrocker3213) on "Another ship sinks because of sanctions against russia" video.

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@JonSmith-wg8mr Eastern Ukraine has been either Russian or Ottoman for hundreds of years. Calling it part of Ukraine is sheer pretence.
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@derekscanlan4641 The Kievan Rus was destroyed by the Mongols in the mid 13th century. It was at its height in the mid-11th century and even then had little interest in the steppes east of the Dnieper, which is the territory in dispute today.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr But Eastern Ukraine and Crimea are Ukrainian in name only. The extremely profitable mineral extraction industry there is still largely Russian owned and operated largely by Russians . Why should they be expected to give them up? Like my country, Britain, the Russians have learned that empires are often more trouble than they are worth. In their terms, Eastern Ukraine has little to do with the Ukrainians. The Russians took it from the Ottomans in 1783 and those "Ukrainians" who have colonised it since then have done so largely thanks to agricultural improvements - largely instituted by Russia.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr But, but, but I am right! The YouTube algorithm wouldn't let me make these points if they weren't true.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr War is a dreadful thing. But it takes two to tango and the Russian Federation has tried to find peaceful solutions to the anomalies involved almost ever since its inception. The blame for this war lies really at the feet of Western greed for Russian resources.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr I have told no lies whatsoever. I have merely tried to broaden your outlook. I know this can be frustrating but you simply have to consider the possibility that the version of events you have been fed is a somewhat slanted one.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr I am. Why can't you believe this? I am a quite old Englishman though and I was brought up to question things more than people seem to be today. Younger generations seem very credulous to me.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr It was a semi-autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, ultimately ruled by Moscow. The mistake has been for the new country of Ukraine to occupy the same geographical footprint as something which was essentially just an administrative unit and which was always divided between Ukrainians in the West and Russians in the East.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr It's been interesting. You've stuck to your guns and I admire that. Have a Happy Christmas.
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Actions have consequences. The West's utterly misguided interference in this border war has already created horrible damage out of all proportion to the issues involved.
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@johnclarke1319 Rot. Russians can hold any opinion they want and express them however they wish - without causing disruption; much as in this country. The issue is whether or not America and its stooges are entitled to reap the rewards of hundreds of years of Russian investment and effort in Ukraine. Nothing else.
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Britain hasn't had any financial dependence for decades. Russia is going to come out of this as a senior party in an alliance which will threaten US hegemony not through missiles and guns but through sound economic strategies.
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@derekscanlan4641 Maybe Ukrainian shills should learn a bit of history. The Kievan Rus was utterly destroyed by the Mongols in the 15th and 16th centuries and never extended much east of the Dnieper anyway .
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@derekscanlan4641 Maybe Ukrainian shills should learn a bit of history. The Kievan Rus was destroyed by the Mongols in the mid-13th century and even at its height in the mid 11th century did not include much of the territory (if any) currently in dispute in Eastern Ukraine.
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@derekscanlan4641 Maybe Ukrainian shills should learn a bit more history...
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@JonSmith-wg8mr I assure you I am British born and bred. What's so difficult to believe about that?
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@JonSmith-wg8mr No the world doesn't. Russia doesn't and nor do its allies. And many countries who are forced to say that they do recognise it as such will immediately change their minds when and if Russia gains dominance.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Born and bred. Why do you find this hard to believe?
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@JonSmith-wg8mr True! The bastard got me again!
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Not all the world. And many of those countries who do recognise it as such only do so to appease America.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Many do, for some reason. I have be forced to issue a contradiction, which you can access by clicking on my red dot. You will then be in the enviable position of being able to insult me for my appearance.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr I don't think the whole world recognises this, and even if the whole world did, that wouldn't make it true.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Click my dot.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Why impossible? Look to your left and find yourself in the enviable position of being able to insult me for my appearance!
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Only because America currently rules the roost. And it doesn't alter history.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Which one? Lines on paper don't make a country a country.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr It won't take much for others to change their minds.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr True enough. That's why there's a war on.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr True enough. That's why we have got to the dreadful stage we are now at. It was all totally unnecessary. If the West had allowed Ukraine to abide by the agreements hammered out in Minsk in 2015 there would be no invasion and no war and Ukraine could have even become a proper country at last, instead of being forced to jump the gun.
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@peterfox3989 Once ALL of Ukraine was Russian. But it wasn't a country. The idea of Ukraine as a country only came after the collapse of the Tsars and even then what the area did become was not a country, but a Soviet Socialist Republic, largely governed by Russia.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr There were minor infringements of the ceasefire by both sides, but the main thrust of Minsk was for Ukraine to find ways of granting regional autonomy to the two Donbass republics in order that their immense mineral wealth should not be transferred out of Russian hands. This Ukraine completely ignored and instead accepted billions of dollars in military aid from the US and other NATO counties. The civil war which preceded this was obviously supported by Russia, but there was considerable opposition to rule from Kiev from within the territories. The army and the police went over to the Russians almost to a man. The Russians who supported them were the Wagner Group, but while some inhabitants may have regarded them as invaders, many others welcomed them as liberators. Donbass had not done well following Ukrainian independence. Attempts at nationalisation of the Russian owned industries had resulted in huge drops in profits and wages, and this was not helped by Kiev's attempts to "de-Russify" the area with infringements on the use of the Russian language and religious practices. You, like many others, seem to have swallowed Western propaganda pretty wholesale. There are two sides to this and it is my considered opinion (as an Englishman) that Russia has far more right on its side than we in the West are generally allowed to know.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Name one lie.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr There were minor infringements of the ceasefire by both sides, but the main thrust of Minsk was for Ukraine to find ways of granting regional autonomy to the two Donbass republics in order that their immense mineral wealth should not be transferred out of Russian hands. This Ukraine completely ignored and instead accepted billions of dollars in military aid from the US and other NATO counties. The civil war which preceded this was obviously supported by Russia, but there was considerable opposition to rule from Kiev from within the territories. The army and the police went over to the Russians almost to a man. The Russians who supported them were the Wagner Group, but while some inhabitants may have regarded them as invaders, many others welcomed them as liberators. Donbass had not done well following Ukrainian independence. Attempts at nationalisation of the Russian owned industries had resulted in huge drops in profits and wages, and this was not helped by Kiev's attempts to "de-Russify" the area with infringements on the use of the Russian language and religious practices. You, like many others, seem to have swallowed Western propaganda pretty wholesale. There are two sides to this and it is my considered opinion (as an Englishman) that Russia has far more right on its side than we in the West are generally allowed to know.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr "There were minor ceasefire violations by both sides, but the main goal of the Minsk agreements was for Ukraine to grant regional autonomy to the two Donbass republics. This was largely ignored in favor of receiving military aid from the US and other NATO countries. The civil war was supported by Russia, and there was significant local opposition to Kiev's rule. The Wagner Group supported the local forces, and while opinions varied, some saw them as liberators. Donbass struggled post-independence due to attempts at nationalization of Russian-owned industries and efforts to 'de-Russify' the area, impacting language and religious practices. It's important to consider different perspectives on this issue. In my view, Russia's position is often misunderstood in the West."
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@JonSmith-wg8mr My reply to this has been rewritten by the bot, Bing, in order to get it past the nameless YouTube bot. Nonetheless it is, broadly speaking, the view of this particular unbiased Englishman.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr I think the statistics prove pretty conclusively that civilian deaths in this war are collateral - from the Russian side at least. Russia has the capacity to cause many, many civilian deaths but concentrates its attacks on infrastructure. Both sides have been guilty of what might be described as war crimes, UN reports on the original Donbass conflict clearly show this. As I said earlier, Russia had little choice, really, but to take this conflict to its extreme. Donbass is sitting on an estimated $13trillion in mineral wealth and nobody would sit by and watch that being snatched from under their nose.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr I'm not lying. The minor violations could have been ignored but Ukraine's obvious refusal to carry out the main thrust of Minsk, while at the same time accepting billions of dollars in order to rebuild its army, backed Russia into a corner.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr What extremists? Russia co-ordinated the rebellions in Donbass and indeed promoted the cause. That's what counties do. The US is well-known for attempting to undermine regimes which stand in is way.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr In Ukraine, as in Georgia and Chechnya, rebellions have been fomented by outside influences in order to weaken Russia. Russia has responded. This is regrettable, but the prime cause is the activities of those outside influences.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr It's not "everybody else's fault." It's everybody's fault. What gets my goat is this goody v baddy thing we're all supposed to swallow. The raw material for rebellion was there. Extreme economic pressures existed. There was outside influence from the West which wants to lay its hands on the loot which Russia says it has more of a right to. In my view though, the blame isn't equally distributed. The blame lies mainly with those who aren't getting hurt - namely those outside agencies motivated by greed for something which isn't theirs.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr What better life? Life in Russia is better than life in many Western countries in many important respects. That isn't the point though. This "better life"-along with "freedom and democracy" are just the shiny objects greedy Western companies and agencies wave under the noses of people in foreign countries in order to get them to rebel against their rulers - and accept US hegemony instead.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Extremist what?
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@JonSmith-wg8mr They are not Ukrainian resources. The companies which own and operate them are largely Russian. they are the result of hundreds of years of effort and investment by Russia and by Russians. Compromise was possible, and indeed existed, but Ukraine being "persuaded" by Western agencies to take them over and pass them on is obviously too much to expect their traditional and actual owners to accept without protest.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr The companies which own and operate the mines and industries in Eastern Ukraine are largely Russian. The resources have been developed with Russian investment and Russian labour over very many decades. That makes them Russian.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr You have to define what you mean by extremists.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr I feel it is my duty to protect my fellow citizens from globalist propaganda. And I like a good argument. You are now letting yourself down a bit though. Just accept - if just for moment - the idea that you might have been lied to.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr It doesn't. That's the point. The resources of Eastern Ukraine are largely owned by Russians, and worked by Russians, as has been the case for decades. That makes them Russian.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Opposite of what?
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Owning a business that was in existence many years before the country came into existence does imply a certain consideration though.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr But it what respect were they "extremists"?
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@JonSmith-wg8mr He is. His "extremism" in this instance was in attempting to bring down the Russian state. His function in Donbass and Crimea was that of a provocateur and co-ordinator of the separatist forces.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Ghirkin's function in Donbass and Crimea was not really any different to that of US agents in Ukraine, Georgia and Chechen.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Now you're just letting yourself down.
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@terryhand Why do you think the pro-Russian Georgian government is banning foreign donations to opposition parties? Why was Victoria Newland handing out sandwiches during the Maidan revolution? Who were the snipers on the rooftops?
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@terryhand The war in Ukraine and the wars in Georgia and Chechnya. Do you really think these events were spontaneous? Do you really think the CIA hasn't had agents in Afghanistan and Syria? It's not exactly a secret!
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@terryhand The overthrow of a democratically-elected government in Ukraine in 2014 didn't happen by accident. Twenty years ago, when American was a villain, the media was full of stories about its interference in the affairs of other nations.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Shame on you. You're the one descending to insults.
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@terryhand I'll try. But you could just use your common sense and a little knowledge of history.
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@terryhand Ever heard of the CIA?
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Ghikin put his hand up to MH 17 - although denying moral responsibility. The guys were drunk who did it. As for the ICC it is an institution for which I have no respect. It is just another arm of US hegemony.
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@terryhand Have you heard of an organisation called the CIA? The one with the agents working in foreign countries?
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Ghirkin put his hand up to that - even though he had no direct involvement. The ICC is a joke.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Be more specific. I don't lie. I may make mistakes. I very often say things many disagree with. But that is different to telling a deliberate untruth.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr You really ought to specify what lies and what mistakes though, don't you think?
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@JonSmith-wg8mr The first claim is unprovable either way. I think it unlikely though. And Russia does have claims on Ukraine - historical claims and claims based on financial ownership. This means that it is not in the wrong.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr But Russia created Ukraine in its present form. The whole area of what is currently considered to be Ukraine was divided into an ever-shifting jigsaw of provinces, run by distant empires or local lords, until Russia took it over in the late 18th century. How does this affect Russia's size? I'm puzzled.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr The Russia that signed those documents is not the Russia of today.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Showing Ghirkin's direct involvement? If you can direct me to these I will be pleased to reverse my current opinion.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr So do you.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr This is very true that there have been all sorts of territorial claims and counter claims over the centuries.. But we are talking now about a situation occurring just over 30 years ago.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Putin's Russia is not Yeltsin's Russia, and there are numerous precedents for new administrations overturning decisions made by previous ones. As I said in previous posts, the deaths are the result of Ukraine failing to negotiate a compromise.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Putin's point is that the SSR of Ukraine was a creation of the Russian Bolsheviks. But it was NOT a country which was created. It was an administrative unit of the Soviet Union. But as I repeatedly try to point out, it is not these historical precedents which purely affect the situation. The maps drawn and the papers signed do not make a country in themselves. There must be some unity of purpose and a general agreement on alliances and policies. This does not exist in Ukraine.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Internationally only means those countries under direct or indirect US control in this context.
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@JonSmith-wg8mr Buyers' remorse set in pretty quickly though. And no election or referendum in Ukraine or Russia is ever totally reliable anyway.
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@davidlloyd1526 Tommy Robinson? As I said Russia these days only imprisons and disposes of opponents when they begin to present a real threat. Plus Navalny was almost certainly a CIA agent.
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@Dreachon You don't. You are just sucking up propaganda. Russia is a tough country but people don't get thrown in jail for what they say, only for what they do. The Internet is full of Russians being interviewed who oppose the war and call it a war. The fact that it IS a war is a sound reason for people being punished for denigrating the army - as was the case in Britain in World War ii, just as one example.
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@davidlloyd1526 Tommy Robinson is lucky to be alive.
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@davidlloyd1526 He caused disruption and was actually charged with criminal offences. The Russians believe him to have been a CIA operative.
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@davidlloyd1526 Tommy Robinson?
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@Dreachon What propaganda? I can seem to lay my hands on any. Blogs from actual Russians and Westerners who have moved there are my main sources of information. The fact is that we in the West have been presented with an entirely one-sided picture of the war in Ukraine. It behoves anyone with a brain in their head to dig deeper into what is really going on.
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