Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Rachel Maddow u0026 Ronan Farrow Expose NBC On MSNBC" video.

I'm happily done with all corporate media.
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I have a couple questions for you, the Rachel Maddow fan, that I don't know although I have my suspicions as to what the answers are... How has Rachel Maddow's coverage of the extra 80 billion to the department of defense been? How has Rachel Maddow's coverage of net neutrality been? These are not rhetorical. I am actually curious.
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I don't think her covering Flint is worthy of praise. I do think the rest of the corporate media ignoring it does deserve scorn. They are suppose to be the news. That is suppose to be the type of thing they cover. I also don't get too excited over the pizza delivery guy (or gal) when they show up after I order pizza. That is simply what they are suppose to do. I will get mad if they don't show up thou. I don't watch her anymore so I honestly don't know the answer to this but how long has it been since she talked about Flint? This is Jordan Chariton talking about it TODAY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShaJOEbIcms&t=0s
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I'm going to continue to assume then that Maddow has been as silent as you have been on those stories. So much for progressive issues when they conflict with corporate interests.
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Val regarding, "Lets then tune to Fox News for some real news! lol." The only difference between Fox news and MSNBC is that MSNBC is better at hiding their agenda and lying to people.
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I don't care if you are or were a Bernie supporter. I care about her biased coverage. Like, for example, when she perpetuated the bullshit myth of Sanders supporter chair throwers during the NV convention long after she should have realized she going on air and lying to her audience.
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Rachel Maddow happily lied about Sanders, his supporters, and his campaign during the election. She does the establishment bidding. She is a sell out and I have no interest in listening to her.
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What do I know. I'm part of the problem. I voted for Jill Stein during the election and Maddow rightfully blames me for Trump. Not Trump supporters. Not the DNC for rigging the primary. Not Hillary Clinton for sucking. Not the millions who didn't vote. It was my fault. I'm stupid so please forgive me.
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David regarding, "is that her reporting style i.e. the story telling narrative in which she approches news stories is what she's good at" Yup. She is good at telling stories. Forgive me but I personally am reluctant to give her credit for it because she is a corporate stooge and sellout. Regarding, "it is my understanding that he wasn't a good painter" I was just trying to give him credit for what I think he was good at. I thought that was what you wanted. Regarding, "Maddow and Hitler are like the same person." Nowhere did I say or mean to imply anything of the sort. The point I was trying to make is that it is perfectly natural to not want to give a person you despise credit for anything, even if it is something they do well. Let me be clear... Maddow is not like Hitler. But I do not like Maddow and I'm not looking to give her credit for jack fucking shit. She is a sellout serving her corporate masters. And the fact that she actually is good at telling stories only makes her worse and more dangerous because of what she does and is. Now I'm going to continue to try to only give credit and praise to people I like and respect... like normal people do.
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How about her coverage of net neutrality? I'm sure its award winning am I right?
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We all get to have opinions. We do not get to all have our own facts. The example I gave of chair throwers in NV is just one example of her going on air and and straight up LYING to people. And when she does shit like that I'm sorry but I can't respect your opinion to call her a great journalist.
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Val regarding, "I honestly don't know what you are talking about in NV" Sanders supporters were fucked over during the NV convention. During the convention a frustrated Sanders supporter lifted a chair over their head for about 2 seconds before gently setting it down. Maddow's reporting on the issue was all about Sanders supporter chair throwing even thou no chair was thrown. She also completely ignored the fact that Sanders supporters were taken over a barrel during the NV convention and talked about the bullshit narrative the DNC wanted them cover... about non existent chair throwers. For a little more context... my favorite part is at about 1:15 when DWS makes sure to point out that they are impartial and don't take sides. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8w5wY_wT9M Regarding, "I am not presenting my own facts." I'm not saying you are. I'm saying Maddow does... incorrectly (aka lies). Regarding, "I just said she is an Emmy Award winner which is a fact and a small part of what I base my opinion on." Ok. I personally don't care about it. I personally care about credibility and to me Maddow has none. Regarding, "I also became interested in what is going on in the country and politics because of her show." Good for you. Everyone should be interested in politics but I encourage you to get more information from sources outside the corporate media. They have an agenda and are not going to inform you properly.. Regarding, "What other "fact" did I present" Again, I'm not calling you a liar. I'm calling Maddow a liar. Regarding, "if you read my post you will see my main concern is that fact that sexual harassment is prevalent in our society and I applaud anyone who can bring it to light, corporate media, progressive media or any other." Fine. I personally find that she is tainted and just because she does something good doesn't excuse her bad. I honestly happily don't watch her anymore. I honestly wonder what her coverage about the extra 80 billion for the military has been. Clearly you watch her. Has she even talked about it? Corporate media acted like Sanders wanting to spend 53 billion per year for college education was fucking crazy so I would think that an extra 80 billion per year for bombs was at least talked about. But it wasn't was it? Hopefully I'm wrong. I just don't think so.
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This is the "chair thrower." This is the violence they talk about. This is what they talk about other than Sanders getting fucked during the convention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFCKiZdfTpU This is what actually happened. My favorite part is at 3:00 when Lange looks around with an expression that reads "oh fuck! Now what?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=435x0dQ5Lzg The point of all this is that Maddow has an agenda. Maddow is terribly biased. This is just one example of her coverage being terrible and there are lots more. She serves the interests of the establishment and the corporations.
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Regarding, "MSM made out Bernie supporters look unhinged and unwilling to accept a loss." I can accept losing. I can't accept being cheated. And clearly the game was rigged up to and including the coverage by Maddow that was intentionally (at least in my opinion) biased... which doesn't make it coverage anymore but rather it is propaganda. Regarding, "I was not bitter or vengeful the way I see some Clinton followers be." I am pissed in all honesty. I want free and fair elections and don't think we get them. Then when Maddow blames me for voting for Jill Stein... well... it really rubs me the wrong way and I was already pissed. Regarding, "We just didn't have a strong candidate who people trusted with way too much baggage." By we you can't include me. I used to be a lifelong democrat but no more and consider them to be sellouts (like Maddow). I now identify with the Green party far more. That said I want Sanders to run and win as a democrat. Regarding, "I watch news outside the MSM like this channel and a few others." Good. At least you get other sources to try and put the corporate medias BS in perspective. At least you get to learn somewhere about the 80 billion extra for the military somewhere. I actually think it was covered here and it's not like he has 24 hours a day to fill. Regarding, "I used to watch the Young Turks until I noticed some discrepancies and exaggerations in their reporting and stopped watching like you did with Maddow." They are far from perfect. I actually prefer secular talk, the humanist report, and jimmy dore. I also watch TYT and a few others but not always. Forgive me for jumping on you about Maddow. I feel betrayed by her. I used to really like her. Her coverage during the election was the end of her and all corporate media for me. I really saw their coverage to be no better than FOX news but for the (corporate) left and although I think they are better about lying I see them as more sinister because everyone knows Fox is bullshit. Maddow had credibility and she used it to try and force Hillary down everyone's throat.... like the rest of the corporate media.
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They are just the other side of the coin even if that side of the coin is a little bit better at lying and doing the establishment bidding.
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He is wrong on this. He is not "on the take." Don't be silly. Maddow is good at what she does. She had me fooled for quite a long time. She is on the take. She is getting filthy rich doing what she does, and for what she doesn't do. Harris too. He is just being naive.
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I don't watch Maddow so maybe you can answer a question for me since you are a fan. How has her coverage been of the extra 80 billion given to department of offense, excuse me, department of defense been?
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Regarding, "I agree that Bernie needs to run as a Democrat in order to win." I don't think he needs them. I just think it would be the best thing for the country. If he won as an independent I think both parties oppose him, nothing changes, and then everything goes to back to the status quo after he is gone. If he wins as a democrat he could, if nothing else, implement party reforms from the inside that would leave lasting change. We desperately need at least one major party that represents the people and currently we don't. Regarding, "At this point I am not really even sure he will run again," If I were a gambling man, and I am a gambling man, I bet the house he runs as long as he is healthy. Regarding, "It is the only hope we have against this President." There are plan Bs but none are as good as him in my opinion. I do not, in any way, fear Trump in 2020. Literally anyone other than Hillary can beat him. The most important election in 2020 is going to be the primary. We need a true progressive to win and not a corporate stooge like Harris or Booker. I get the feeling Maddow is going to love Harris.
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