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Comments by "Katy" (@KatyushaLauncher) on "KMS Tirpitz - Guide 117" video.
And Tirpitz also proved being locked up in the Fjords isn't helping anyone
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Because the Luftwaffe generally do not care what happens to the Kriegsmarine
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Well unlike Mers El Kebir, Tirpitz was locked up deep in the Fjords with Smoke screens, Luftwaffe support, and hundreds of Anti-aircraft batteries. Why would the British send their battleships into a choke point?
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Tirpitz was sunk on shallow waters so the turrets would hit the sea floor before it can actually fall out
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She was easy to sink but hard to effectively hit her. Remember that Tirpitz is locked up deep in the Fjords with hundreds Anti-aircraft batteries waiting to demolish any aircraft that comes close by.
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@simony2801 They needed the bigger bombs to compensate for the lack of accuracy, also do you really think that a 500lb bomb is going to sink the modern battleship that is the Tirpitz?
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Because Tirpitz was deep inside the Fjords were visibility is near zero, flak guns are everywhere, and not to mention smokescreens that the germans installed was a pain.
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Yes
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The Tirpitz was inferior to the British Battleships, she had thinner armor, had an Obsolete armor scheme, had an old 4 twin turrets layout, inferior radar and fire control systems, lighter broadside weight. The only real advantage the Tirpitz had was that she was just fast
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When are they not pissed off?
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Tirpitz's scrapping wasn't until 1948 and by that time the sea animals would have eaten any flesh that remained of the dead sailors. So the salvagers would pretty much just see bones than rotting flesh
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@riazhassan6570 You do realize that I could I apply the same logic to carriers? One or two bombs could make carrier inoperable like the Japanese Carriers at Midway, and Torpedo attacks works well on carriers as well like the USS Saratoga which was torpedo junction. Battleships at least for the allied side was using their battleships extensively for Shore bombardment and escorts so they weren't just in port
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Glad that the British sunk the inferior battleships called Bismarck and Tirpitz
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Nope, they call even Tirpitz a she
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I don't know if this is joke but those planes were surplus from Bomber Command
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They knew how to build but They horribly didn't know how to make it efficient
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By the time Tirpitz was sunk, Bomber Command had so much resources than they knew what do with in any case
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Battleships were still useful in WW2, it's still quite hard to sink enemy Battleships at sea with airpower alone.
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Those planes were actually surplus because Bomber Command had so many resources to spare that they actually needed to do something with them
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DKM is technically correct as well but KMS is much more known and recognizable
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That should go to Musashi
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KMS is used for easier ship identification and also to differentiate Imperial German ships from Kriegsmarine ships. Also some authors of books use either DKM or KMS as prefixes for the Kriegsmarine ships
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@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs I may have gotten the dates wrong but my point still stands, first of all what makes you think that Germany can use the escalator clause? "However, a so-called "escalator clause" was included at the urging of American negotiators in case any of the countries that had signed the Washington Naval Treaty refused to adhere to this new limit. This provision allowed the signatory countries of the Second London Treaty" Germany was not a signatory of the Second London Naval Treaty therefore cannot use the Escalator clause. The 15 inch guns of the Bismarck is definitely legal but the Displacement of her is concretely illegal
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@bkjeong4302 Well German fire control systems was definitely decent in of itself but still a tad behind the British's
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Tirpitz was kinda sunk in the sense that most of her parts were underwater and if even they didn't sink, the Tirpitz would still be dead and unrecoverable
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It wasn't huge, it was just numerous
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@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs I said that The Anglo-German Naval Treaty states that Germany CAN build ships above 10,000 SO LONG as they follow the limitations of the Washington Naval Treaty and First London Naval Treaty
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@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs Bismarck was launched in 14 February 1937, the *Escalator clause was invoked in 1 April 1937.
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1.) Japan had signed the Washington Naval Treaty, the one that they refused was the Second London Naval Treaty 2.) Again the Japanese refused the Second London Naval Treaty 3.) Bismarck was not legal, the Anglo-German Naval Treaty states that they can build ships above 10,000 tons so long as they accept the limitations of the Washington Naval Treaty and First Naval Treaty 4.) Those were previous plans, the Germans were trying to design a battleship that's treaty compliant but of course Hitler pretty much just ruined that
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KMS is used for easier ship identification and also to differentiate Imperial German ships from Kriegsmarine ships. Also some authors of books use either DKM or KMS as prefixes for the Kriegsmarine ships
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She also went out of the Fjords for once but relatively did nothing of any significance
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@dovetonsturdee7033 I have to ask but was Tirpitz's 'Fleet in Being' ever effective?
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Realistically, the Salvagers would be lucky if they even found a single bone, Tirpitz's scrapping wasn't until 1948 and by that the time the sea life would have already consumed all of the flesh and most of the bones of the dead sailors
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Tirpitz was not the best in the Kriegsmarine nor was she was the best ship, the most useful Surface ships the Kriegsmarine had was Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, and Admiral Scheer, all the ships had actually sunk many allied merchant ships
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@jonathoncopeland7492 Yeah they still sunk more tonnage of merchant ships than Tirpitz, I mean seriously all the things Tirpitz did was just sit around Norway and being a waste of fuel and men
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@jonathoncopeland7492 Only the British had a problem with Tirpitz, First of All she was not Feared, she was just a threat that needed to be dealt with like Scharnhorst. Secondly she wasn't a beast in reality she was just hindrance to the Kriegsmarine, the more Tirpitz stays in Fjords the more the Kriegsmarine knows that they're just wasting their valuable fuel on a ship that can't even leave port. Thirdly no good crew nor captain can save Tirpitz, the Royal Navy would always have the superior force and could even use more. Hitler, Grand Admiral Döenitz, and the majority of Kriegsmarine stationed in Norway view Tirpitz as useless as ever, they knew full well that Tirpitz doesn't stand a chance against the Royal Navy's superior number ships. Tirpitz's fleet in being is often overblown, in the her early times in Norway it kinda worked but in the later years the only achievement she had by firing her main guns was destroying a large shed on the Raid on Spitsbergen
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@jonathoncopeland7492 Bomber Command had so many resources to spare that they actually needed to do something with it that's why they sent those many planes, those Midget Submarines that disabled Tirpitz was cheap and not much resources was expended. As I already stated No Good Crew nor Captain can save Tirpitz because she will lose, no matter how you use her, the ending will still be the same. You're only judging the crew and the captain is because you have Hindsight, without Hindsight I'm fairly certain you won't fair better than them
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@jonathoncopeland7492 Okay now you're just stretching this to delusion, Tirpitz had a decent crew and a decent captain, She Never Had A Better Crew nor Will She Ever Have a Better Crew. Handing her over to an American Fleet? Yeah No, In realm of possibility that is beyond impossible, Like come on get real
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The problem is who would want her in that time? The Germans aren't to keen in salvaging her and neither does Norway. And Tirpitz is already scrapped and her steel is being used to build other civilian structures
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Unfortunately them having good looks doesn't mean that they were effective
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