Comments by "No Fate But What We Make" (@SonoftheAllfather) on "VR to ThuleanPerspective Re His VR on Adsense" video.
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@John Hathorne:
Rutilae means reddish, actually. That root word is found in almost every single European language for red. Think about it: rot, rouge, rosso, red, rojo, røt. Varg's argument: "It means blonde; just ask anyone who studies Latin."
Tacitus used the word rutilae to describe the Germans, and then used the exact same word to describe ancient Caledonians in Scotland, even noting that he believed the Caledonians were of Germanic origin. Obviously, Scotland has the most redheads by percentage in the world, even to this very day. His description of the Caledonians came after his description of the "Germans" he encountered. He meant red.
But that isn't even the point. Whether he meant red or blonde, that is likely not the color of hair that EVERY Celt or EVERY German had, which is what Varg is claiming. He also said that the red haired genetic, the mutation of the MC1R protein, originated with Ancient Egyptians. So, dey wuz kangz, I guess.
"to say otherwise is deny reality and imply they were all "redheads" - impossible, think for yourself"
By that logic, if it's impossible that they were all redheads, it should also be impossible that they were all blondes. You've contradicted yourself.
"Ultimately, that's not even his point, he meant proto-europeans dozens of thousands of years ago mainly."
Then why did he use Tacitus' description of the "Germans" as evidence? Tacitus was describing people less than 2000 years ago, not dozens of thousands of gorillions of years ago.
"I don't get why people get some butthurt and emotional over an anthropological argument... Varg has made videos hanging out with black-haired friends and supports people like Styx who isn't even purely white... Stop being so silly..."
1.) I'm not butthurt or emotional at all, I just think Varg is wrong about this.
2.) The fact that Varg hangs out with people with black hair is irrelevant to this conversation honestly. I'm not implying that Varg rejects dark-haired people as Europeans and doesn't associate with them.
3.) The fact that Varg supports people that are not entirely European is also irrelevant to this conversation.
4.) Dismissing something as "silly" is something a Leftist would do.
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@John Hathorne:
I said that is something a Leftist would say: something condescending in an attempt to discredit a legitimate argument as an emotional overreaction.
Wikitionary? lol. Put "rutilae" into any standard online Latin to English translator and tell me what you get. It will be red or reddish. Blond in Latin is "flavis." Consider the root word that you find in nearly every single Latin or Germanic based language. red, rojo, rood, rot, röt, read, rød, rouge, rosso, rautt, rout...even the Latin word "rubrum."
"it was always used to denote blondish in roman texts"
If that is so, then clearly Tacitus was describing the hair of the Caledonians as blonde. Hmmm...I wonder why the population of Scotland is not known for having blonde hair? They were even raided by Northern Germanic peoples for centuries in the early middle ages, and they still aren't majority blonde. If the ancient Caledonians were all blonde, the majority of proto-Celtic peoples would have been as well, to include the Celtic Gaels of Hibernia. That is clearly not the case, and you are grasping at straws.
"To conjecture otherwise is simply not possible and would mean denying reality"
The fucking arrogance. LOL high level autism to claim that there is only one acceptable or realistic answer to a clearly debatable issue. Are you sure you aren't a Leftist? You're using the same tactics that they do.
"besides, where did all the redheads in Germany go?"
Have you ever been to Germany? There are redheads in Germany. The Celtic peoples are most associated with Haplogroup R-M269, also known as R1b1a1a2, that carries the highest frequency of red hair, and it is found in the genome of 40-50% of the modern German population.
https://goo.gl/images/958cbm
Celtic peoples inhabiting the area that was the frontier region and later province of Magna Germania were forced north and west to the fringes of Europe by by Roman expansion and conquest.
https://goo.gl/images/WuFJzs
The cultural, genetic and territorial epicenter of the Halstatt and La Tene Celtic cultures directly before Roman expansion (1st/2nd century CE) was modern day Germany and Austria, the area Tacitus was in when describing these so-called "Germans," who were actually Celts. Tacitus lived from 56-120 CE.
https://goo.gl/images/KhNnJc
https://goo.gl/images/SNyZzx
"Varg do claim that proto-europeans were originally blonde, and he is correct on that regard"
No, he isn't. Not all "proto-Europeans" (a very ambiguous term) were blonde. Not even all "proto-Germanic" people were blonde. If that were the case, there wouldn't be nearly as much "diversity of phenotypes among modern Europeans." Most Europeans would still be blonde if that were the case.
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@John Hathorne:
Have you ever heard of a paragraph break, dude?
"I'm astonished at your denial of facts and mis-representation of the truth."
REEEE. I'm the only one thus far that has provided any outside sources or information. Your entire argument is based upon psuedo-scientific and psuedo-historical concepts. Your argument is sloppy, unacademic, and scattered. You said that proto-Europeans were an entirely blonde race "dozens of thousands of years ago." You realize that means at least 24,000 years ago, correct? That was after you backtracked from your claim that proto-Germanic people were an entirely blonde race marginally before and after the time of Tacitus. You haven't provided any translations or data that confirm your claims. Your argument is completely opinion based, and hinges upon yours (and Varg's) desire that an all-blonde race were the original Europeans.
"the caledonians were blonde...Scotland is a majority blonde country today - that is a FACT."
You have no literary or scientific proof of this whatsoever. You are only claiming this now because it fits your contrived narrative. Ancient Caledonians were genetically and culturally Celtic, not Germanic. They likely had people of many hair colors, and just as many if not more red haired people than they did blondes. This is evidenced both by physical descriptions by classical writers, including Tacitus, and by the fact that Scotland holds the highest single concentration of red-haired peoples in the world to this very day. I provided a study of Scottish hair color that shows the breakdown of 133 Scots and only 27 have blonde hair. This is after centuries of Scandinavian raids and admixture. That is 20%, which is NOT A MAJORITY. If you can PROVE that Scotland is a majority blonde country with actual data, PROVE IT. But you might as well not even look, because you are wrong.
"There were only 3 originals races - the Proto-Europeans, Proto-Asians and Proto-Africans"
I don't dispute this. What I dispute is that all "Proto-Europeans" (Indo-Europeans?) had the exact same physical characteristics. Even Neanderthal had different hair and eye colors, and it is known that they carried the gene for red hair. But you expect me to believe that all "Proto-Europeans" had blonde hair? Ridiculous.
"Scandinavians are 0.01% mixed, while Britons may be 0.02%,"
That doesn't matter. A Briton that is 0.02% "mixed" could still appear more prototypically Nordic than a Scandinavian that is 0.01% mixed. This is because Scandinavians were not clones of each other, even when they were living in tribal societies, and neither were Britons.
"Hitler admitted that Germans weren't of the same stock as before and entirely homogenous and of best quality"
Yes. Hitler considered the Germans to be slightly mixed, and Nordic peoples to be the master race. I don't know what that has to do with our conversation. The classic Nordic genetics came to Germany from the Jastorf culture (who had the highest occurrence of blonde hair and blue eyes, but were also likely not clones of each other) when they invaded what is now Germany in the 2nd century CE. They mixed with Celts, invading Gothic tribes from the East, and Romans. But the Jastorf culture was not the original Proto-Europeans, culturally or genetically.
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