Comments by "Awesome Avenger" (@awesomeavenger2810) on "Owen Jones meets Theo Padnos | 'Western hawks are responsible for my Syria torture'" video.

And yet the west spent billions in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And for what? What are the financial returns for Afghanistan, for instance? There are none. So it can't be because of money. So what were the political reasons then? I'm guessing that if it was just about geo-politics, Bush would've simply replaced the old dictatorships in both countries with new, more western friendly dictatorships. That didn't happen either. Both countries have democratic constitutions. That if supported, would actually grow into something worthwhile. In other words, Bush and Blair were as good as their word! The only way to sort this shit out is to actually have a plan. And to stick by it. Because as we've seen in Syria, it does come back to bite us in the ass in the end. So we have a right to get involved. Tunisia started the revolution. And Tunisia is a success. Unlike Syria, Libya managed to dodge five years of all out war because the west intervened. Its still chaotic. But at least it has a future. But where are we? Why aren't we in there helping to build their future? It's just across the Mediterranean for fucks sake! It is our problem!
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Only intelligence agents who wish to hide their activities don't tend to write books, do interviews, and generally bring attention to themselves on the subject. More to the point, western policy in Syria has been to support the FSA. The one fighting force that has done the most to combat the spread of ISIS and its affiliated groups. Putin's puppet Assad, meanwhile, has done his very best to wipe out the FSA. Thus only strengthening ISIS.
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Putin's puppet Assad buys oil from ISIS. So yes, they help fund ISIS. Both Putin and Assad have mostly concentrated their attacks on the FSA. Not ISIS. And the FSA have done the most to combat the spread of ISIS.
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What a load of lefty self-flagellating horseshit.
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U. You've pretty much summed up the new left.
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So to avoid giving offence to Islam we have to pretend like the Westboro Baptist Church is as bad as Jabhat al-Nusra now, do we?
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...Says the conspiracy freak.
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Danny Walker My point was, that even if the whole population of Qatar are not all millionaires, the problem there is certainly not one of poverty. The same is true of Saudi Arabia. In fact, poverty does not figure in the reasons why individuals in the west join and fight for Islamist groups. It cannot be because of injustice either. Altho that certainly helps to bring about discontent. And, as in Syria, discontent is the ideal breeding ground for Islamic fascism. So the problem must be one of ideology. And we know where that ideology comes from. And it has nothing to do with the west. Quite the opposite. After all, you don't blow yourself up in the middle of a crowded Afghan marketplace unless you truly believe you will end up sitting at the right hand of mohammed. The reality is, that elites in the middle east and among other Islamic regions fear the power of islam as much as the west does. If not more. Grievance against the west is a strong recruiting tool. And useful too. Because many Arab governments spend a lot of effort on channelling discount away from them. And towards the west and Israel. Then we have the Useful Idiots at home. The ones like this Theo Padnos. Who do their best to convince muslims in the west that they are desperately oppressed. And that the Islamic worlds problems can all be laid at the feet of the west. Or Israel. I think I'm right in saying that Theo Padnos is a convert to Islam. So of course, he couldn't possibly lay the blame where blame lies. And Owen Jones, a keen supporter of any anti-western grievance, isn't about to ask him any difficult questions.
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You forgot Assad's decision to move away from the petrodollar. The military industrial complex. Western hegemonic power. Chem trails. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And the fake moon landings. If not for all that, the Syrian's would be living happily under their benevolent dictatorship.
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Yes. The desire to blame the west for his own stupidity. And to support Assad's propaganda war against his own people is truly an amazing thing.
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Sounds like the beginnings of a new flat earth movement XD
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I bet RT never mentions how Putin and Assad helps to fund ISIS!
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So let me get this right. In order to stop Islamic terrorism, we've got to stop buying oil from oil rich Islamic countries?. In other words, we've got to make the Islamic world poor? Perhaps maybe a good start would be for Assad to stop buying oil from ISIS? Wait, no. That can't be the answer because then it wouldn't be our fault. Perhaps the west should stop supporting mass murdering tyrants? Hold up, no. That can't be the answer either, because the west isn't supporting Assad. And it needs to be something that the west is responsible for. What about if we modernise the Middle Eastern economies and give them a fully scientific education? Umm... No. That sounds too much like cultural imperialism to me. It would require full military occupation of the middle east first. And some how I'm guessing ISIS would'nt agree to that. How about showing forgiveness and sitting down to talk things out with them like normal human beings? ...Rather not have my throat slit! And anyway, we have nothing to offer ISIS except for our mass suicide. What we need then is a way to eliminate the bad guys. Take them out. Trouble is tho, that would require a willingness to actually take decisive action. And to have empathy and solidarity with the vast majority of the muslim world that don't want to live under religious fascists. And somehow I don't think the new left is up for any of that.
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Danny Walker Right. So you've totally ignored Saudi Arabia coming in at no. 11 on the list of world gdp per capita (according to the IMF). Above the UK, France, or Germany. And just behind the USA. Or that Qatar comes in at no. 1. Or Kuwait at no. 6. Or the UAE at no. 9. Or Bahrain at no. 16. All well above the UK. But then oil revenue allows you to lay the blame at the feet of the pesky oil-hungry west, I guess. I mean, its not like dictatorships ever happen in non-oil rich nations, is it?
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Danny Walker The trouble with that theory is that, and no offence, its bollox. You are essentially saying that vast oil wealth is the reason why many middle eastern countries don't feel the need to modernise. But there are plenty of poor Islamic countries that are also social disaster areas. Pakistan for example. And the west ends up paying for them anyway. Dictatorships will always hoard wealth for themselves and their elites. No matter where that wealth comes from. Look at North Korea. The problem is one of islamic culture and ideology. And it needs to change. We can't be responsible for that in the muslim world. But we can build a Islamic alternative in the west. Only that requires a little self belief. And the holding of Islam to the same standards as we do ourselves. After all, if we are to except Islam into the west then it is our right to insist on this. But I see no one on the left prepared to do that. Instead, like Owen Jones, they do the complete opposite. And are all too willing to play identity politics and peddle their typical grievance culture bullshit. Which is mana from heaven to islamists. And will in the end cost many more people their lives. Most sane people realise this. Because the hypocrisy of the left on this issue is all too obvious. So all it takes is for a few, lets call them alt-right groups, to come along and say what needs to be said. And you won't be able to argue against them. Because they will be right!
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You are not wrong. Islam is based on conquest and subjugation. Mohammed was clearly nothing more than an opportunistic warlord. And is not worthy of the respect or devotion given to him. But I believe that islam can be changed. After all, the new testament is based on the old. And the god of the old testament is worse than Mohammed. And as islam is now part of the west, it is our right to demand that it change. But that will take better men than this Theo Padnos guy. And Owen Jones is always too concerned with demonising his political opponents to make a stand for what really matters. Forget the left. They lost their way during the Iraq war. Better to stand up for real liberal values.
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I wouldn't recommend any interview with Eva Bartlett. She simply parrots whatever the kremlin says.
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But the facts are that there are not simply two sides fighting in Syria. Its not just Assad or ISIS. That's just Russian propaganda designed to hide the fact that they are busy bombing the shit outta Syria in order to prop up a bloodthirsty dictatorship. Up until recently, Assad and Russia's forces did fuck all to take on ISIS. Their aim was to concentrate on the FSA. Knock them out of the war, and force the west into choosing between Assad or ISIS. Until recently the FSA were the only ones fighting ISIS in Syria! Credit where credit is due tho. You have to hand it to the kremlin. They've got so that the west cannot now ever intervene anywhere because its always about oil or the military industrial complex/imperialism or some shit. But when Russia intervenes to prop up one of its puppets, its bravely taking on Islamic terrorism for the good of civilisation! And all the cucks cheer them on...
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CJTaylor 87 War for an oil pipeline? How can that be? After all, the Arab spring started in Tunisia and spread to Egypt. Both allies of the west. If the war in Syria was just a western plot to topple Assad and build a pipeline, why begin the uprising in western allied nations? And Assad brought stability? You mean, right up until the moment he didn't, don't you? Surely that's like saying, this boat floats... Until it sinks. You also seem to have forgotten that all three, Saddam, Gaddafi, and the Assad regime were enthusiastic supporters of terrorism. And that a least two, Saddam and Gaddafi, brought war and destabilisation to their regions. So most certainly couldn't be described as stabilising regimes. We know the answer to the problem in Syria. And that's for Assad to step down. He should've done. Right at the beginning. Unfortunately, unlike in Tunisia or Egypt, he had allies that were quite prepared to back him if he went medieval on his own population. So he stuck around. Knowing that both Russia and Iran would stick by him no matter what. And so you have Assad and Putin fighting till the very last Syrian. And the bonus is, that Syrians are fleeing their country into the west! And what with Putin's funding of extremist far right parties in Europe, that all helps to spread destabilisation there as well. Its like killing two birds with one stone!
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CJTaylor 87 A muddled comment? What confused you? What did you not understand?
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The guy put himself in that position. Now, because of his stupidity, he parrots Assad's propaganda: The uprising against the Syrian dictatorship is because of Iraq. And all the rebels are ISIS.
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Funny. Because I've read more than one comment suggesting, in an almost reverse psychology kinda way, that submission to Islam is the only answer. Its almost as if the alt-right has a new shit stirring strategy.
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Global warming. ISIS. And Trump. All down to Brexit. Well known fact.
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