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@NeonVisual 😂 The patriots haven’t stopped moaning - boats, boats, boats, brown people, hotels, not hard enough, echr, boats, more brown people, LOTS more brown people, cost of everything, no doctors appointments, boats.
And it’s all the EUs fault…🍩
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@bfc2155 Well, Europe in general is far cheaper. Property, cost of living, fuel, etc. One reason I'm moving full time to my place in France.
Scandinavian countries have always been expensive places to visit and live, but in general the people are happier and healthier.
You've obviously voted to make yourself poorer. There's no extra sovereignty or control as that was bullshite. No extra money to the NHS. No 40 extra hospitals, no extra police.
Have you not yet sussed that all you voted for was to make the wealthy even richer? Duped by people like Farage, Rees mogg, Lilley, Lawson etc all who have either benefited from the EU, applied for residency, or moved their companies abroad.
Of course you could always congratulate yourself on a nice new blue passport - the one made in Poland after the UK government awarded the contract to yet another European company helping to close down a British firm which had been going for 189 years and putting 260 northerners on the jam roll. The same being for fishing and farming communities up and down the country now going to the wall. Or you could be like squishy and work 60hrs a week on £15 an hour then wonder why you've only got a few more quid in your pocket as the tories have rinsed you of higher tax and NI contributions and cost of living going thru the roof due to the cost of moving stuff from europe.
Keep believing fella...
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@dave4803 Unfortunately you are wrong if you look at the reported figures for knife crime per head in the UK. That title with the highest crime goes to Cleveland NE of the UK and as you seem to want to bring demographics into it that’s an area which is 98.5% White.
Londons knife crime wasn’t helped by getting rid of 9,000 fully trained and experienced Met police who cost £59,000 each to train. Khan has nothing to do with that as he wasn’t in office at the time, that was Mays fault. Then we had Bojo the liar closing 65 police front desks when he was busy zip lining across the Olympic stadium playing Mayor.
And no, I don’t think Khans any good as mayor either but maybe start to look at why the UKs problems occurred over the last decade ( Housing, Inflation, cost of living, record numbers using food banks, lack of police, everyone skint, ULEZ etc )- they start with T and end in Y.👍🏻
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@Boxersboy-um1fd I find some of your responses a bit odd. You berate rail workers for booking on at work thru the pandemic but then ask me to tell you what people who were paid by the taxpayer to sit at home in their gardens should be doing! You really seem to have a problem with staff travel being extended to immediate family even though it doesn't cost you a penny. What about bank staff and concessions with mortgages, loans, etc? That's OK I take it.
Strange that you complain about rail workers pensions yet don't mention how many billions the banks fleeced from the taxpayer? As for NHS pensions, the old rate ( now changed in the CARE system) their pensions were topped up by 20.6%
As you think rail workers pensions are too inflated do I take it you feel the same for all public sector employees? Shall we stop contributing to Teachers, police, fire, military and Nurses to pensions the latter which would cost your son money in his retirement?
Train drivers can't work 60 hours as they are governed by many safety regulations. That applies to the notion of train drivers earning 40k extra thru overtime which has been reported and is total fiction. A train driver has 3 times more people sitting behind them as an airline pilot. If you work 60 hrs a week ask yourself why you need to, Don't question someone who has the lives of 1350 people in the peak sitting behind them.
I find the use of exorbitant pay a bit misleading. I have friends who earn far more with the highest earning £260k a year for sitting at a desk in front of a computer - that's exorbitant, not someone who gets up at all hours in all weathers to get the public to their places of work. I don't harp on about it as it is what it is.
As you've said we have differences in opinions. One thing you should look at though is not why a train driver earns 60k but that why a nurse, teacher, fire or police person etc doesn't.
You seem to be saying that train staff are overpaid for the job they do ( even though you've never done it yourself ) then complain that your son has to use other means to travel to work on strike days, unfortunately that's his problem. When I took a job on the railway I knew I would have to be at work when public transport wouldn't be running so I used a big metal box with a rubber wheel in each corner i.e. A car. That was the same when a different union was on strike too. Strikes are advertised well in advance, the same for engineering works which the public seem to always have a problem with.
Finally, with regards to the unions, If your son gets any weekends off, annual leave, paternity pay, bank holidays, anti discrimination law protection, pensions etc where do you think those conditions came from? And who lost money fighting for them?
Stephen jon 2022.
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@Boxersboy-um1fd Wow. After reading that lot I'm well and truly asleep rather than awake. War & Peace springs to mind. 🤣
Son left home at 19 and lost his pass straight away as was no longer in education. Hope that's acceptable.
Police -
Whether you're on or off duty, you'll enjoy free travel on London Underground and buses, seven days a week. Travel passes are issued after completion of initial police learning in week 12. You can also opt in to our rail travel scheme for heavily discounted rail travel up to 70 miles from central London. Straight off the met police website. Info on btp is probably on theirs too. I worked on the gateline for a brief period after a suicide and was told that police travel free on production of a warrant card so not sure what info you got. Maybe you still begrudge them getting free travel - I don't, as should NHS and Fire service but I don't make the rules up.
Tax - not interested in what or who pays in or where its going as we would be here all night. I gave up years ago worrying about who pays what as most of my self employed mates are the biggest piss takers. We constantly have conversations similar to your taxpayer nonsense, again the self employed getting away with murder. I paid 36 years in and have never claimed for anything since leaving school. I don't go on about the taxpayer picking up anyone's bill. You clearly have a beef with the taxpayer paying towards the country's transport system but have been part of an institution that has caused most of the countries problems in the past. Seems odd that you can pick up your pension but begrudge others one?
As for who done what during the pandemic I could only confirm what my old colleagues told me as I retired shortly before the pandemic kicked in. All were required to book on for duty. You cant just pick up another job ( like in a bank/office) as you have to hold the relevant safety licences. At the end of the day train staff went to work. Sorry if that it doesn't fit in with what you think but thats it. My problem with the covid nonsense was that nearly 12 million sat at home on " taxpayers " money whilst university students still paid 10k to do their courses from home. Being a taxpayer I'm paying for those people that sat in their gardens for best part of a year, most of them probably Conservative voters who decry anything socialistic!
Nurses quite rightly have a huge responsibility I never said anything other. I said not to compare jobs - which is what you've done. Nurses ( have one in my family ) should be on a minimum of 45k imo but that's all down to the tories and the idiots that keep voting them in BB. No good clapping at 8pm then giving them a 1% payrise is it?
My point was that because a train driver is on 60k that's not their fault that nurses earn much less is it? A tube driver has 1300+ people sitting behind them in the peak. I've lost count of trains I've evacuated over the years including 3 on 7/7 in the height of bombs going off.
I've also had 6 suicide attempts. The last one taking months to get over. Its not as you said a " simple job"
For those payrises, they were all agreed over ( normally ) a 4 year period. So if the RPI figures dictated that rail workers received an above inflation payrise then it's a bonus. Personally I'd be asking why someone like Andrew Haynes is getting 4 times more than the Prime minister of the UK. At this moment in time ( won't be long before Liz changes the law) you still have a right to withdraw your labour. My best goes out to all the hard working rail staff who get up in all weathers to fight against what's going on. Whilst you mention about 20% business is down I would have thought from your responses that you have more than half a brain BB. The railway requires a certain amount of staff in particular roles for safety reasons, one thing the bosses are trying to cut. It's funny that they don't ever look at cutting management grades as they have far too many now. Remember PM May over a 6 year period getting shot of 21,000 FULLY TRAINED AND QUALIFIED police officers to tick a box only for Bojo to spout a complete load of twaddle for his echo chamber following to believe that he's tackling crime by putting 20,000 new police ( that will need training ) on the streets! Same goes for 40 new hospitals, 350k a week going to your son and his colleagues blah blah blah. All nonsense to keep the Daily Fail readers happy.
So. Hopefully I've answered a few of your questions. Best of luck to your son in the NHS. Tell him thank you for his hard graft thru the pandemic.
( I won't however be clapping ever)
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@johnou.k.3780 64k is industry standard. Pay talks normally involve a settlement of having pay increases over 3 or 4 years at a percentage over RPI.
This year the pay increases started again - your beloved Tory party because of their incompetence have driven inflation to it's highest in over 40 years hence the railways not wanting to give pay increases at the current rate of inflation. This all the while that the CEO of the whole lot is on 600k plus bonuses.
The clues in the title Johno - payrise, so forget the 10,11,12% and concentrate on what the cost of living is. Everyone should be entitled to one. All that talk about " get another job " is waffle.
Your trouble is confusion - no good saying in your comments about rich people , their contributions and their entitlement to earn decent wages then try and belittle railworkers, post office staff, ambulance staff etc for wanting a piece of the pie. Shall everyone else work for shit money? What do YOU do? If you are on crap money blame yourself rather than look at train drivers.
Your comment about me not doing anything is bollox. I spent 33 years in all weathers getting up at 2.50am to drive 60 miles to work, drive and instruct other new drivers, have responsibility far more than most people in lots of other jobs, have the threat of being abused, spat at, have knives pulled out on me and on one occasion a handgun shoved in my face. Not to forget people using the train I was operating at the time as a method of taking their own life ( I had 6 attempts with one fatality) and all the horrible dreams of taking someone's head off as happened in the last one. Terrorism threats ( worked 7/7 ) no weekends off for 5 years, no bank holidays apart from xmas day. Working with high voltage and the dangers it entails so yes, train drivers are worth every penny.
Stop regurgitating the rubbish in the press. That just shows the gaslighting has worked on you. You've also come across that train workers aren't that important which is strange as so many People seem to be kicking off every time they are on strike because they can't get to where they want to be.
I look at it this way - a banker turns up for a meeting 10 minutes late. What do they do? Yep, have the meeting 10 minutes later.
Now apply that to a train sitting on a platform for 10 minutes past it's departure time because the drivers late.
Who would you say is more important??
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