Comments by "Conor." (@conor.3875) on "Trans vs Conservative Women: Are Periods Essential to Womanhood? | Middle Ground" video.

  1. The prefix, "cis" has been the opposite of the prefix, "trans" since forever. "Cisgender" pretty naturally came to mean the opposite of "transgender".
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  2. 🀯
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  3. What's your problem with "cis"?
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  4. I don't actually know how many male-to-female trans people there are compared to female-to-male.
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  5. Cis women, yes.
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  6. They shouldn't be but they are.
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  7.  @zachman5150  Find something to do, Zach.
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  8. It isn't just about comfort. It's about rights.
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  9. A black box is not a box. It is a black box.
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  10. I don't think they'd use it.
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  11.  @zachman5150  Something doesn't need to be exceptional for there to be a word for it.
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  12.  @zachman5150  "Women" includes non-standard women.
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  13.  @zachman5150  They're social categories, mostly. Apart from that I more or less agree.
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  14.  @zachman5150  You were doing so well...
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  15. ​ @zachman5150  The social aspects a person observes usually correspond to the sex they were assigned at birth. But not always. People for whom this is not the case are transgender. Personality and temperament are irrelevant. But if gender refers to social aspects, then "gender roles" absolutely is synonymous. Gender roles aren't a biological occurrence. They're cultural, or indeed, 𝘴𝘰𝘀π˜ͺ𝘒𝘭. There is nothing about the system you've just described that contradicts my position. I'm sure your financial status is perfectly fine. The concerns your behaviour raises are more mental. Your thinking is abnormally repetitive, and you engage in hyperbolic, hysterical, vitriolic rhetoric that gives the impression that you aren't doing too well, personally.
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  16.  @zachman5150  We aren't talking about biology. We're talking about gender. Gender refers to the sex assigned at birth, and the social aspects of being male or female, respectively.
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  17. Lol. Are there actually people who just have no estrogen in them?
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  18. Think religion wins arguments do you?
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  19. People don't get to kick whoever they don't want out of public spaces. They have rights.
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  20.  @zachman5150  Relax... Don't be a drama queen.
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  21.  @zachman5150  You're hysterical.
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  22. What exactly makes you think she's speaking for a majority?
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  23. They are. "trans and lgbt" is redundant btw. The "T" in LGBT stands for trans.
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  24.  @zachman5150  For...?
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  25.  @zachman5150  I don't. You're weird.
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  26.  @zachman5150  Trans women are women, yes. The clue's in the name.
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  27.  @zachman5150  A trans woman being a woman doesn't involve a male becoming female.
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  28.  @zachman5150  Because they aren't males who became female...
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  29. Whatever, cissy.
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  30. Gender dysphoria isn't a delusion.
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  31. πŸ™ƒWe should be A-OK here, then...
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  32. You don't have to call yourself cis. You can describe yourself however you like.
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  33. How is "cisgender" derogatory? "Straight" already means something unrelated, so I don't see what you're driving at, there.
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  34.  @zachman5150  That's your objection. Not 𝘡𝘩𝘦 objection. This person clearly has a different opinion. He didn't say "cisgender" was redundant. He said it was derogatory. Those aren't synonyms.
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  35.  @zachman5150  Have you actually just been a spam-bot all along?
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  36.  @thesecretcommenter3730  That generally is how it's done. Adolescents are prescribed puberty blockers to buy time to decide. Children should not be taking hormones and transgender people shouldn't be forced into the irreversible effects of a puberty they didn't want.
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  37. Does anyone actually "feel like" a woman?
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  38.  @zachman5150  How do you know?
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  39.  @zachman5150  Answer the question.
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  40.  @zachman5150  Here, I'll help you: The correct answer is that you actually don't know. There is no way for any person to acquire a reference for the feeling of womanhood. If no woman has ever not been one, they have nothing to compare with. They have no way to identify any feeling they have as the feeling of being a woman, that is, assuming such a feeling exists at all, which the case for is only slightly less poor.
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  41.  @zachman5150  I wasn't asking your feelings.
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  42.  @zachman5150  Cis is EXTREMELY relevant. Cis is a term used in chemistry to describe the position of certain molecules, one from another. Now you know
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  43.  @zachman5150  ...??? Where did I mention the word, "women"? I said "cis" as a prefix is the opposite of "trans", which it is.
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  44. How come? The "cis" part just means not trans.
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  45. If I just said "woman" I could be talking about a trans woman. I'll say "cis woman" if I need you to know I'm not.
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  46.  @zachman5150  The world contains trans people. You don't seem to be adapting too well to that.
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  47. Cis women. No hyphen.
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  48.  @zachman5150  Because they're labels we mostly apply to people we only interact with socially.
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  49. ​ @zachman5150  Because they aren't men. Where bathrooms are gender-segregated, the bathroom corresponding to their gender would be the women's. The framework for gender you just gave did not include biology at all.
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  50.  @zachman5150  Restrooms, sports teams, dressing rooms, prisons and such are social constructs. They're implemented however we choose to implement them.
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  51. We could just stop gender-segregating sports completely. We'd have one league and just let individuals place where they place in it.
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  52. Trans women are women. Women can't be men.
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  53.  @zachman5150  People born intersex can be women, so that's false.
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  54. There'd be no point.
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  55. Both=?
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  56.  @victor_2216  "No such thing as both. Just a combination of both."
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  57. Ask a woman.
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  58. Nah.
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  59.  @zachman5150  Irrelevant. Men don't want in women's spaces. They're men.
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  60.  @zachman5150  Irrelevant. Personality is not under discussion. The fact is that there exist people whose presentational gender does not correspond to the sex they were assigned at birth. Whether this is describable as a member of one gender becoming one of the other is ultimately just semantics, so it isn't worth discussing.
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  61.  @zachman5150  "Gender" refers to social aspects, so yes, a person who conducts themselves socially in accordance with a gender is in fact a member of that gender.
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  62.  @zachman5150  Does an intersex person have no gender or do they constitute a third?
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  63.  @zachman5150  You're completely stuck on this non-sequitur about identity changing biology, so for your purposes it probably is.
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  64. There'd be no point. You'd still have men and women sharing a bathroom.
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  65.  @zachman5150  So this is where you got "Dunning-Kruger effect"... 🀣
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  66.  @zachman5150  This isn't normal.
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  67. *are
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  68. Why?
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  69.  @zachman5150  Not you. 🀫
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  70.  @tkjohnson6599  Anyone who's a woman is part of a subcategory of woman.
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  71. Yes. Drag is a performance piece. Being transgender is part of someone's life and identity.
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  72. How do you figure that trans people don't acknowledge sex? A person basically has to acknowledge their sex to know they're transgender.
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  73. Is anyone?
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  74. They don't have to. People just don't make anywhere near as much fuss about trans men. Make of that what you will.
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  75.  @zachman5150  "Gender dysphoria".
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  76. About what?
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  77.  @zachman5150  I don't think the objection to the label, "cis" is valid.
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  78. ​ @zachman5150  Then they shouldn't waste time raising their objections about language with me.
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  79. What's your problem with "cis"?
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  80.  @zachman5150  I wasn't talking to you, though.😐
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  81.  @zachman5150  Didn't ask...
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  82.  @zachman5150  I asked someone else's opinion. Not yours.
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  83. *Cis
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  84. There'd be no point.
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  85. There'd be no point. Trans people will still use the bathrooms fit for them as they see. If you tried to put enforcements against this in place you'd create a much nastier problem than you were trying to solve. If you're really convinced that the bathroom thing is a problem that needs solving, all you could do would be to just stop gender-segregating them. One bathroom for everyone.
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  86. ​ @zachman5150  "as women" is not a point of view. That's meaningless.
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  87. Don't be too sure.
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  88.  @zachman5150  To be transgender or supportive of those who are is not to be simply unable to differentiate male from female. You don't actually think it is, in any case. You're being deliberately obtuse. This is your go-to because engaging with the actual subject matter puts you out of your depth.
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  89.  @zachman5150  Copypasta πŸ₯±
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  90. Would you feel threatened to see Blaire White in the washroom knowing that she's trans and anatomically male, though?
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  91. Nothing in particular. Predators generally don't offend in public, though, for reasons that hold true for restrooms.
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  92. "Woman" just isn't a biological category. There is no biological feature you could name that applies to all women and only women. It's a social category and pretty much always has been.
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  93. ​ @janyass859  No, people identify as the race they feel they are.
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  94.  @zachman5150  What are you rambling about now?
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  95. You're weird.
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  96. *cis woman. It's two words.
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  97. Not quite.
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  98. She.
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  99.  @zachman5150  She. Feminine. Pronouns are gendered. Not sexed. You aren't remotely equipped to debate me about language. Don't waste my time.
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  100.  @zachman5150  You care a little too much...
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  101.  @zachman5150  πŸ‘Ž
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  102.  @zachman5150  Yeah, you said that to the last person. There's really not a lot to you is there?
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  103. "Cis", in this context is abbreviated from "cisgender".
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  104.  @zachman5150  Trans women are not men. Women can't be men.
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  105.  @zachman5150  No.
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  106.  @zachman5150  The word, "no"?
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  107. ​ @zachman5150  Declaring something to be a fact doesn't make it so, I'm afraid.
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  108.  @zachman5150  Please quote my declaration that trans women are not men just because I said so.
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  109.  @zachman5150  You fabricated the "because I said so" part, then.
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  110.  @zachman5150  I knew you weren't. I was just making you acknowledge your cheap-as-dirt rhetorical tactic.
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  111.  @zachman5150  So why do you keep calling them women?
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  112.  @zachman5150  You said that trans women were men. The term, "trans women" contains the word, "women".
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  113.  @zachman5150  So why have you been calling them women?
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  114.  @zachman5150  The term, "trans women" contains the word, "women". You called them trans women.
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  115.  @zachman5150  The noun in "trans women" is "women". You're calling them women. Not hard.
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  116.  @zachman5150  You're hysterical. Go away and calm down.
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  117.  @zachman5150  That's you out of steam, I think. See you 'round.
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  118.  @zachman5150  You gave up on arguing the actual topic quite quickly. What you've started doing instead is not flattering you.
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  119. *cis
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  120. Believe what?
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  121. A trans woman is a woman. The clue is in the name.
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  122. Cis woman, yes.
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  123. ​ @zachman5150  I'm not arguing that there are more than two genders, Zach. If you know what it is I've said that made you assume this, please quote it for me. That was a very confused response. What I have managed to do though, is back you into arguing that females can have male organs and vice versa, which is progress I'm happy to see you make.
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  124. Nah...
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  125. Because if you had a trans bathroom you'd still have men and women sharing a bathroom, and if you're okay with that you may as well just save yourself the effort and just have one bathroom.
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  126.  @Juuxr  Eh... One bathroom would be simpler.
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  127.  @MsRikihana  Cis women are women, though.
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  128. All words are made up. Where do you think words come from?
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  129.  @zachman5150  "She" isn't female. It's feminine. There are no female pronouns in English, or any language that I'm aware of. Pronouns in English are gendered, not sexed.
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  130. Yeah, you said that...
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  131. There are predatory people around. That's a concern of people cohabiting, period. It's not something transgender women have some responsibility to answer for.
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  132. Trans women. It's two words.
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  133.  @sandymeganne3915  So you're cis.
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  134. Who says cis women don't want trans women in their bathrooms? When was the vote?
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  135. "Cisgender" is what she was referring to as updated terminology. Trans and cis as prefixes have been around since forever, basically meaning "to the other side" and "on the same side" respectively. Trans/cisgender as terms though are relatively new.
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  136.  @zachman5150  It was first used as the chemistry term you keep copy/pasting about in 1888. It's existed as a prefix for much longer.
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  137. ​ @zachman5150  There are words from earlier than 1888 that use the "cis" prefix. It's a Latin derivation. Latin is from further back than 1888. I am quite provably correct. An individual being male or female permanently is irrelevant to the concept of transgenderism btw.
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  138.  @zachman5150  What tf was that about the history of "cis"? You just confronted me about something you know nothing about and don't even have much of an opinion on. Are you just arguing for the sake of it at this point?
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  139.  @zachman5150  That's a "yes".
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  140. Why? What don't you like about "cis"?
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  141.  @zachman5150  Not you 🀐
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  142.  @zachman5150  I already knew what your opinion was. Hence why I didn't ask it.
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  143.  @CalistaAlvarez  It just means "not trans", though.
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  144.  @zachman5150  Yes, it does.
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  145.  @zachman5150  You aren't being argued with. You're being corrected.
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  146.  @CalistaAlvarez  You are though.
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  147. They already did.
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  148. The conversation here is pretty much entirely about a word. It all leads back to who is allowed to have the term, "woman" applied to them.
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  149.  @franciscagaisie778  A person's gender still isn't decided by their sex.
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  150.  @godslight6293  Yes, they do.
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  151.  @zachman5150  It's a free country. The burden to justify is on those seeking to restrict freedoms.
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  152. Cisgender. Not trans.
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  153. Nah.
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  154.  @icecreambeats101  Trans women competing in one league has the same problem as trans women competing in the women's league. There'd be no point.
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  155.  @victor_2216  A "dysfunctional" combination of both is still a combination of both, genius.
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  156.  @zachman5150  "Gender is determined by sex. Females are women and males are men. Women have female organs and men have male organs. Females do not have male organs and males do not have female organs." If this is basically your position, the only thing you can do to save it is just deny that intersex people have either a sex or a gender. Any other position on intersex people contradicts at least some of it.
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  157.  @zachman5150  Nothing about the utility of the word, "cis" depends on identity changing biology.
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  158.  @zachman5150  It doesn't. That's just as far into it you can go before you get confused, call it all "mental gymnastics", and tap out.
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  159. There is irony here but I don't think you're in on it.
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  160. So?
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  161.  @zachman5150  Calm down please.
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  162. ​ @tkjohnson6599  No, really.
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  163.  @zachman5150  "Woman" is a gender identity, not a sex.
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  164.  @zachman5150  Social roles. That'd be gender, Zach.
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  165. What do they believe that isn't a reality?
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  166.  @zachman5150  Like Budweiser.
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  167.  @zachman5150  Thanks for sharing, didn't ask.
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  168.  @zachman5150  πŸ‘‹
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  169. That could be worked around in the long term. Trans people are starting their transitions younger. It's becoming more and more often the case that trans women haven't undergone male puberty at all.
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  170.  @zachman5150  So is trans a psych issue or is it not a thing at all?
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  171.  @zachman5150  So what is it?
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  172.  @zachman5150  Woman is an identity, so they've managed to get a little further than you.
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  173.  @zachman5150  None of that was a relevant response to anything I just said. If anything it proved the point of it.
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  174.  @zachman5150  That's not an argument. It's a talking point. You wander through the comment section mindlessly repeating it. If you aren't a spam bot you may as well be. You don't do anything that one couldn't.
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  175.  @zachman5150  Pathetic.
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  176.  @zachman5150  How does that mean there's no such thing as racism?
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  177.  @zachman5150  I didn't say race was fluid. I said people identify as the race they feel they are.
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  178.  @orang9134  Probably.
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  179.  @zachman5150  Sometimes I think you just want someone to talk to.
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  180.  @zachman5150  I engage with what people actually say, though. You just keep confronting me on things you have absolutely nothing to say in response to. I have to wonder what could possibly be in it for you to spend this much time repeating the same four or five comments at me. The most sensible explanation is becoming - you're just lonely.
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  181.  @zachman5150  We're discussing trans rights. It's directly relevant.
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  182. Doesn't mean what?
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  183.  @CiciWilson-kj5mu  She.
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  184.  @zachman5150 πŸ§‚πŸ§‚
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  185.  @zachman5150  :(
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  186.  @zachman5150  You've already revealed that you don't actually believe that.
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  187.  @zachman5150  Yes, you have. You've acknowledged that individuals born intersex can be women.
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  188.  @zachman5150  Individuals born intersex are not born female. If you acknowledge that there are intersex women, you acknowledge that not all women are born female. "It's not a psych issue" does nothing to negate this.
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  189.  @zachman5150  So is an intersex person male or female, both or neither? Bite the bullet, Zach. The existence of intersex people disproves at least some of your position. Let me know when you're ready to decide which part.
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  190.  @MsRikihana  Nah. Trans women are women.
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  191.  @zachman5150  Please stop trying to be condescending in your responses. It doesn't sound confident or even insulting. It just comes off as creepy.
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  192. Important to what?
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  193.  @zachman5150  Is that relevant?
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  194.  @zachman5150  How is it?
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  195.  @zachman5150  To the topic under discussion, Zach.
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  196. Is calling you a cis woman forcing an ideology on you?
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  197. ​ @zachman5150  No, don't run back to your silly copy/pastes. Answer the question. What 𝘸𝘒𝘴 all that about the etymology of "cis"? You've copy/pasted about it several times here, so you clearly see some relevance in it.
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  198.  @zachman5150  Answer the question. No point doubling down on changing the subject.
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  199. -_-
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  200.  @zachman5150  You might be disappointed...
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  201.  @CalistaAlvarez  Why keep at that? There are many, many women in the world. They're all different from each other.
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  202.  @franciscagaisie778  They haven't been called "sex reassignment" surgeries in a long time. Changing a person's sex is not and never was what those surgeries are meant to do.
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  203.  @zachman5150  What men?
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  204.  @franciscagaisie778  Who?
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  205.  @franciscagaisie778  Does any transgender person think they stop being transgender when they have gender affirmation surgery? And if they do, why does it matter?
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  206.  @zachman5150  So are you saying it's justified to restrict them or are you denying that it has to be? You seemed to be trying both just there.
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  207.  @zachman5150  It's a free country. The burden to justify is on those seeking to restrict freedoms.
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  208.  @zachman5150  Why shouldn't trans women be allowed to use women's bathrooms?
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  209.  @zachman5150  Trans women aren't men. Women can't be men.
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