Comments by "Arthur Mosel" (@arthurmosel808) on "How Irish Americans became White: finding your roots" video.

  1. This woman mixes dates issues and times. By calling someone Savage doesn't mean they considered them as another color. I wish she was a better organized and actually tried to provide information.
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  2.  @nytn  i don't doubt your word about the pamphlet, just whether it was representative of the main stream of thought and belief.
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  3.  @nytn  My biggest problem was the jumps in the time line. An example, you mentioned the Klan which was a post Civil War issue but later went back decades earlier to the "No Nothings" which from when I went to school referred more their attitude toward the educated than hiding activities. You hit a good point on using immigrants (not just Irish, but also lower class Whites regardless of where they were from) for tasks that were too dangerous for the more valuable slaves. A professor used this example (he taught when intellectual honesty was still important), it concerned cotton chutes at Vicksburg. The cotton was taken by wagon to chutes used to slide the bales to the river front. Slaves were only allowed to work on top of the bluff unloading the bales and s t acting them on the way down. At the bottom end were essentially day worker Whites (immigrants or lower class); the heavy cotton bales had 0icked up so much energy on the way down that they could literally rip off arms or legs or crush bones if improperly caught. Besides the cost of a slave (somewhere between $500 and $1,000 right before the war), the slaves owner had to provide shelter, food and medical care whether a slave could work or not; on the other hand, 8f that White man at the bottom of the bluff was injured or killed he had no responsibility for any of that or support of an family. Yes, a very big economic incentive for keeping slaves safe. As far as treatment of immigrants and lower class Whites in the North, look into factory conditions in the new manufacturing sector, in many ways as bad or worse, and yes they could quit; but it was common for the owners to insure that people who complained were free to starve since they won't be hired by anyone else after the word was passed. This was another area where Irish were involved. I may of missed it, but did you mention the signs to "Ns" or Irish allowed (or words to that effect). Again without going back to it, I believed you mentioned the immigration acts; but these were more than a half century after the Potato Famine. On that point, under the system in effect at the time, all grain in Ireland was grown for export, as the money crop. Potatoes which needed little care was what the English expected the Irish to live on. Like I said you hit the major points but jumbled.
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  4.  @nytn  i am a good many years older than you and have been studying history (mainly military history as a hobby for around 60 years now. I went from strictly military to looking at the economic, cultural and social aspects that affected or caused wars. Many of my views would be unpopular if I stated them, which is a shame. One of the biggest problems has been the politicalization of history closely followed by interpreting events and situations by our current culture/beliefs and not looking at the conditions and society at the time and how they relate. The whole slavery issue is a big one in this regard. You know that the Irish were sold as slaves in this hemisphere, but if you dig deeper you'll find even more uncomfortable facts like British slave owners in the Caribbean trying to breed more docile slaves by forcing Irish slave women to breed with Black slaves. This was during the 1600's, if I remembet. Look up Cromwell's fighting in Ireland to get an idea on what the British felt about the Irish and what they did to them.
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  5.  @nytn  I'll have to read up on Volaire, as philosopher's aren't one I put into memory.
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