Comments by "Horatio82" (@horatio8213) on "A Short History of Mussolini and Fascism | TIKhistory WW2 Q&A 18" video.
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@lukebruce5234 Yes I'm Polish but what that change? Probably you will accuse me of some bias against Russia. Do you belive that I can't be objective because of that?
But only bias I got is against lies.
" I don't blame you as the Poles are the funniest falsifiers of history." I am curious what part of mine claims are false. Because I give you sources.
Most soviet tanks were operational at 22nd June 1941. No big problems in this part of Red Army.
Most T-26 and BT were armed in 45 mm cannon that could destroy every german tank. KV-1 and T-34 use 76.2 guns much more better than any german tank including Panzer III and IV. When armor of KV and T-34 were shock for Germans. 37 mm PAK 36 can't do nothing to this tanks. 50 mm guns were very rare and not always effective.
Yes soviet tanks were in some ways inferior to Panzers. But 26000 is still much more than 3700. Even if half of soviet tanks were broke you still get for times more than Germans get. Sorry but you are using old soviet exccuse to blame backwardenes as a biggest cause of soviet defet.
In reality main tanks of Wermacht was Pz II with 20 mm cannon, Pzkpfw 35 and 38 with 37 mm guns. Only Pz III and IV were modern, but this types were still smaller part of german tank forces. They even use Pz I! Armed with two MG!
"The Soviet army wasn't particularly strong in 1941."
Official soviet data from show that in numbers of soldiers, tanks, artillery, planes, trucks Red Army was better equiped than Wermaht. All that was lost in few first months of war. Because of mistakes made by Stalin and his generals.
5 millions men, 26000 tanks, how you can claim that is small and weak army.
"There is no half truth. In the late 30s the British and the Germans outspent the Soviets in military expenditures. The USSR spent a lot throughout the 30s but that is to be expected from a country which is so massive and is barely industrialized. The armed forces needed a build up and it paid off. "
Still miss the point. Soviet economy was different in many ways than any economy. Profit, payment and price are just empty word in this economy. Only goal to industralisation was creating heavy industry to produce everything what Red Army need. This process bring soviet citizens poverty and famine. Maybe you will claim that Holodomor or Great Purge are anti-soviet propaganda?
About UK and Third Reich overspending USSR. Both nations still operate in peace time economy. They must pay bills. USSR is totalitarian dictatorship where state is owner of every bit of property. Then whatever you claim USSR starve own citizens to build weapons factories, not for benefit of civilians.
UK was world wide empire with costly fleet.(First fleet i the world). In 1930's build air defence system and din't starve noone to achive that.
Germans rebuild army in twice short time that soviet regime create own forces. That is very costly proces, but still in numbers noone can compare to USSR in land forces.
"By the way the Soviet economy was larger than the one of the UK, it took the entire British Empire to get above the USSR."
You really don't know any real numbers about interwar economy. German and UK (that mean whole empire) economy were much larger than USSR. Official soviet economical data were just straight lies. After 1991 when soviet archives were open, many of USSR official claims become laughing stock to reality.
"Penal labor was normal at the time everywhere in the World. Calling it slave labor just because you don't like the USSR is stupid. "
I name it that becuse when state take your basic rights and send you to force labor that is slavery. In USSR citizens were whitout any rights. When you were late 3 times to work you were send to Gulag.
No other country in 20th century before 1939 use so much slave labor than USSR.
Do I like USSR or not, facts are facts. Soviet citizens were just slaves in own countries. Even Tsar give more rights to his subjects. How many greate projects of USSR can't exist without slaves? I think more than you can named. Soviet industry was build on bones and blood of victimes of Stalin.
"You just made that up on the spot. Given the fact Poland was allied with the British and the French it is pretty much impossible the Soviets would risk a war against the majority of European powers just to occupy You just made that up on the spot. Given the fact Poland was allied with the British and the French it is pretty much impossible the Soviets would risk a war against the majority of European powers just to occupy the most worthless part of Europe (Poland).
I will give you few evidence that you are mistaken.
1) Soviet invasion on Poland 17th September 1939 as a result of pact between Stalin and Hitler.
2) Attack on Finland the same year.
3)Anexation of Baltic States in 1940.
4)If Stalin didn't want Poland why to soviet army keep units there to 1993?
5)Stalin after WW2 captured half of Europe when he promise to allowe for democratic elections. Never happend and noone attack USSR because of that.
Main reason to help against Geramny in 1939 was to get sphere of influence in middle Europe. That was Stalin's plan, one way or another he get what he want. But to do it he sacrifise 20 milions of soviet citizens.
Again i prove to you that in 1939-41 Stalin and Hitler were in alliance.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Frontier_Treaty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks
For all that facts we have today documents from german and soviet archives. I'm sure that you will claim tha I as a Pole I invent things. But I'm sorry for you because today people can read multiply sources and discover that all your arguments are based on soviet propaganda and lies.
Fact is simple Stalin was dictator, USSR enslave and kill millions to spread communism. But as we can see that only bring fall of this sick ideas.
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@lukebruce5234 Your distortion of history basicly ends discussions with you. Settle only the biggest ones.
In one sentence you show that Soviets were preparing to war. Industralisation and militarisation were by you done for that. In second you claim that soviet tanks were obselete, soviet army was unprepered and other excuses. Then what is your stance. Both statments they break each other.
I think you sholud read some works of Mark Solonin. Because he destroy each of yours claims and statistic. Historian which usage primary sources. Not soviet propaganda.
http://www.solonin.org/en
Polish-German Non-aggresion Pact it is nothing more than a name similar to the Ribbentropp-Molotov Pact.
Simple example. This pact in any way targeted like Soviet-German Pact third parties. Secret part of Ribbentropp-Molotov Pact determined the division of Europe between Hitler and Stalin.
Also Poland reject earlier any suggestion to invade USSR with Hitler. Still Stalin prefer to help Hitler. Facts from your perspective don't work.
"Nobody denies the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. It was basically a Soviet version of the Polish-German pact of 1934 with one major difference, the Poles were the ones to sign it as soon as Hitler come into office, the Soviets on the other hand did it last out of desperation after all the other powers refused to cooperate."
Today no one is denying, but then that was present whitout mention about secret protocol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
"Fact is that Poland massacred ethnic German civilians after the invasion by Hitler.
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Fact is that after the war ended the Poles started a genocide of Germans which ended up in the deaths of 400,000 German civilians....."
It was neither genocide nor ethnic cleansing. No one killed ethnic Germans in mass in 1939, that is Joseph Goebbels lie.
After war no one kill 400,000 Germans in Poland. Remember that in 1945 Poland was under Red Army control and exist puppet communist regime created by Stalin. You basicly accuse Stalin of ethnic cleansing. I agree that was his plan, but your number aren't true. Postadam conference basicly force Germans from this teritories.That was decision of USA, USSR and UK, no one ask Poles about that.
"Fact is that the Poles did engage in mass murder of the Jews themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedwabne_pogrom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom"
Jedwabne is fact, in Poland we understand that there were some Poles that kill Jew. But there were no mass killing Jews by Poles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Righteous_Among_the_Nations
That was even commented by German government, which reject any claims that polish citizens help in mass in Holocaust. Germans politican and historians challenged this narration and state that no polish mass movment help Germans in Holocaust. Nazi official were disapointed that Poles don't want help them in extermination. That dosen't mean that ther were no collaborators.
Polish government ib exile as a first inform about Holocaust and documented that genocide, because Jews were also polish citizens.
Also Kilece Pogrom was done under the rule of communist puppet government after the WW2. Soldiers of communist army and secret police members take active participation in this. You basicly show that polish communists take part in tis action. Thanks for helping me to sow how evil was communism.
"And to this day Poland is the shame of Europe with their bigotry and racism and their pathetic laws making it illegal to say the Polish supported the holocaust."
Strong words from someone that probaly never been in Poland. Yes we have racist and bigots, like everywhere. Law which you point it was written badly and was designed that block usage of term "polish concetration/death camps" in contex of Holocaust. This law in reality dosen't work.
In the same time in Russia people are send to prison if you state that Hitler with Stalin starts WW2. When in Poland no one land in prison for historic comments.
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