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calo10able Lol...so now I’m ‘scared of having a conversation’?!? Jeezus, sad specimen, you really are full of shit......what do you think we’re doing now ffs? Let me put you straight; NOTHING your masters have drummed into your sponge-like brain about Europe is correct! We are, as always, PROUD of our culture, and yet you claim otherwise. You really don’t realise what a pathetic clown you are do you!
You know, when I visit the US I know I’m going to meet some of the friendliest welcoming people on the planet. But I also know there’s another type of American; one who wallows in ignorance of other countries, but yet feels they can spout complete rubbish about them. So yes, ignorant person, I really do fear for your once great country.....it’s like two opposing populations! I cannot overstate how much of an embarrassment you types are to your country; like I said, you’re just a sad clown who soaks up fake news. We just shake our heads at your stupidity, and the fact that the US seems overrun with you right wing and religious nutters......if you had half a brain cell you’d be totally embarrassed about your lack of knowledge. It’s sad for your country but hey.....it really isn’t our problem 😁
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Time4 Truth Ffs, do you people ever listen to the crap you spout? Why are you so petrified by the next-to-no possibility of your government turning tyrannical......do you really have that little faith in the US population?? As I have said, your just pathetic wimps hiding behind your guns....and your kids are STILL getting slaughtered! The truth?......you wouldn't recognise it if you were slapped in the face with it! Let's face it, your just another idiot who has to ignore points made by others and deflect to other issues when desperate ( and boy, are you desperate!). First, you totally ignored my point that it is not just a mental issue: the obvious fact is the mentally ill, and drug addicts, are easily able to obtain guns in your country. So yes, this makes it a gun issue.....it should be obvious to anyone with at least half a brain! Second, you deflected to events in my country. Jebus h. Christ, if I had a penny for each time you idiots deflected in this way I'd be a rich man now! Ok, let me educate you as to the REAL situation here, rather than the alternate reality that is Faux News: such incidents are few and far between, and our security services are very adept at foiling the vast majority of them. Far more people are injured/killed in your country BY WHITE SUPREMACISTS ALONE than are in my country! Look it up, the rate is a tiny fraction of yours. I despair at the way education is headed in your country: you believe you are making 'points', but you are spouting idiotic rubbish and then deflecting to other issues. Many more Americans would be alive today if you had enacted gun-control laws decades ago: YOU are to blame for this continuing insanity.
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***** Do you ever actually READ the garbage you type, JB? You seem to think that because I successfully refute your sad nonsense I am therefore 'self-important'. Well no.....I am just a contented 59 year old gay male, happy with his lot, and fully supported by family, friends and colleagues. That is down to the fact that I am no longer surrounded by religious nutjobs and right-wing lackeys such as yourself. I have indeed 'indulged in some capitalism' and pursued my dreams.....what, did you think I was a pinko commie bastard, lol.
You know nothing about me, idiot, but still spout on about my 'proletariat, equality-loving' life. The fact you state such garbage does indeed make you idiotic. I for one would not presume to make such assumptions about YOUR life. Because, well, I do not know you!
And then you come out with more nonsense about us being 'peasantry' to our royals. That may have been the case if our royalty had any real political power, but they do not; they are figureheads. And rather effective ones at that......nobody loves our royals more than you Americans!
Look, JB, with every post you prove your ignorance of the issues you espouse. I suggest you obtain a passport and actually visit the UK......we are enjoying record numbers of tourists at the moment who appreciate our wonderful landscape, traditions, etc. Far from being a 'squalid, miserable class country', we are a proud nation with, for such a small island, a brilliant track record in all fields.
You, on the other hand, are just a sad whinging internet warrior with no merit. A sorry indictment of what America has become. Have a nice day.
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Robert Kiers As I suspect you well know, Robert, a one day old baby is in no way comparable to a, say, 16 week fetus......you are being facetious to say the least. Same goes with comparisons between a 5 week fetus and a nine month one.....one has a functional brain, the other doesn’t. Why are you ignoring these facts?
As for your links, well I was shocked when the first one said abortion in Canada is legal at any stage in a woman’s pregnancy. Until I delved deeper and found out it’s only legal up to 24 weeks....After that it can only be performed for serious medical reasons, such as if the foetus would not be viable outside the woman’s body. Why did you not mention this critical piece of information, Robert? Of course I fully support their reasons for allowing late term abortions, any compassionate human being would; such decisions are never taken lightly....which makes your ‘no different than removing a tooth’ remark just crass and untrue.
Your second link is unworthy of consideration, being emotive garbage from something called the CHRISTIAN Broadcasting Network: I specifically asked you to provide UNBIASED links, Robert, very devious of you!
Speaking of the Christian god, it seems to me he is totally on board with abortion....you know, what with him being the biggest practitioner in history....
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J Anderson Wow, it really is one lie after another with you extremist god-botherers isn't it! No matter, I well know that is all you have. Soo....where have I said I'm an atheist, LIAR. Send me your proof that the evil dictators in the 20th century were atheists, LIAR. While your at it, give proof of your assertion they have killed more than "Christians" through the ages have......I for one admit I don't know which group is the worst, and I'd be amazed if you could conclusively prove your claim. You claim that we are somehow being harmed by living a "sinful life", but we are not: we are harmed by the intolerance and hate-filled bigotry of people such as you, LIAR. You claim our society would not have survived without the positive influence of Christianity, but offer no proof of this whatsoever, LIAR. And then you use that useless old crap linking us with communism. SMH.......'your kind of thought'?!? I repeat, you are a fool. 'My kind of thought' is simply to be able for LGBT to live their lives with dignity, free from you brainwashed idiots. But you just can't leave us alone, can you? Which is EXACTLY why I and many others will continue to call you out for what you are. Some of the worst of humanity. Your final post is the usual utterly stupid nonsense, barely worthy of an answer, but I will ask this: If we have no use to society why have we (homosexuals) ALWAYS being around? You lot will keep churning us out, lol. Your 'point', however, is totally irrelevant: beneficial or not we have always existed, and always will: society has two choices, either persecution of LGBT or accept them as equals. Which of these two differing societies do you think most people want to be a part of these days? Finally, I am just an amateur at spouting bile, J (see hate-filled Christians), and I make no apologies......you extremists fully deserve to be called out strongly.
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Strawberry For crying out loud, where are you getting this fake news from? Tourism is BOOMING in Europe, ignorant idiot, crime and rape is a fraction of what it is in the US, and NO GO ZONES DO NOT EXIST, they are a figment of your tiny imagination. I have visited the US many times, and love it, but if you really want to see towns turning into 3rd world communities you need look no further than large parts of your own country! Do you not see that you're in serious danger of losing the 'most powerful country on earth' tag precisely because of compliant lackeys such as yourself? What am I saying, of course you don't....I'm sorry, but you have only yourself to blame. You have one thing right....Europe is indeed a fabulous group of countries. But I have to ask, have you ever visited it? Your ignorant biased rubbish suggests not.
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Strawberry Oh you poor stupid fool, you really do love twisting what others say don't you......because you really are that pathetic. We never said we are the 'only humans that know what is REALLY going on', sad man, but we DO know the real Europe. In the past year I've travelled to Paris, Bruges, Gent, Naples, Venice, and Dubrovnik. ALL of them are groaning under the weight of tourists....I seriously worry that Venice is sinking! The Chinese are in particular increasingly making their presence felt. We insult you because, to be honest, you absolutely deserve it. You are like so many Americans I have encountered, you wallow in your idiotic ignorance. YOU are the reason the US is in decline.....I feel sorry for your children. As for your other disgusting lie, I repeat......THERE ARE NO NO-GO ZONES! Oh, and yet another of your lies....I never said we don't have a migrant crisis. At present of course we do, as we have the enough compassion to take in the desperate refugees fleeing persecution due to the past meddling of BOTH our countries in the Middle East. Both Bushes and Blair have a lot to answer for.Let me repeat, you totally deserve our insults......I have nothing but contempt for your stupidity. I fear you will laugh yourself into oblivion.
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Strawberry So you totally ignore the valid reasons cruelinjustice1 gave for you being a trashy bigoted citizen, instead posting 'the mental institution called and said it's time for your meds'. YE GODS, surely nobody can be this stupid.....I don't know, maybe you're a troll with way too much time on his hands! Look, with each post you show yourself to be an embarrassment to your cause, with lie after obvious lie. Do you REALLY think anyone with at least a modicum of intelligence would believe your sad crap? As he said, when you state such rubbish as "are you ashamed to be Muslim", "filthy migrant", "don't forget to beat your wife up today", THAT IS THE CLASSIC DEFINITION OF WHAT A BIGOT IS! Ffs, it's like wading through treacle answering your nonsense........I can feel my braincells dying off, minute by minute!
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***** Are you smoking strange substances again, JB......... much as you would like it to be so, in no way am I in pain. I have no reason to lie to you when I say my life is great, as you are simply irrelevant! As I have said, your old, bigoted stance no longer works, as most of us have moved on.
In fact, even I am amazed at the speed with which we are achieving equality......never thought I would see the US achieve it in my lifetime!
Life is sweet, JB, now you have lost your powers to damage the lives of others who are different. In fact, in some ways you are right (for once!), life sometimes really IS awesome!
Cheers from a redcoat, lol.
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s_xoxo No need to worry about my head mate....no problems there! The thing is, my original point wasn’t addressing just you personally, but all Americans who have fallen victim to your rubbish healthcare system, but you made it all about you. And now you’re claiming I do nothing to help the less fortunate?!? Lol, fuck right off, fool.....you know nothing about me.
As I said, you’ve spent the whole of this thread aggressively attacking liberals as if they cause all the worlds’ woes, just like the worst kind of ill-informed trailer trash do. Well, no....it doesn’t work like that. Here in the UK, London has had similar problems in recent years as California, with many Londoners having to leave due to its economic success. But that has nothing to do with left or right leaning local government, it was inevitable in the circumstances. In spite of this change we are not at each other’s throats like you lot; I watch from the sidelines as your country becomes ever more divided. It’s like a hidden civil war....not a healthy state of affairs! Everything seems to be black and white with you lot; every chance you get you’re attacking each other, left OR right, at the slightest provocation. Too sad....I praise the lard I don’t have to put up with that shitshow!
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Citizen of Kekistan Utter bs....if you're going to assert it is a 'mental illness' you really need to give your credentials/ qualifications for stating such nonsense. I've always found it funny how you types always claim it is a left versus right subject, and obfuscate the left is being intolerant of others views, when it is you who lack empathy for trans folk. Generally speaking, the trans I have known in the past have no strong political leanings one way or the other, they simply want the support they need, and have been denied for far too long. There are many who, when given this support and understanding, go on to do rather well in life. One in particular I know of was the head of the engineering dept. at the Yorkshire Post newspaper, in my neck of the woods. She was a tough, no-nonsense type who had no qualms about getting her hands dirty when problems arose, and was spectacularly successful in her job. I have nothing but admiration for such people, who succeed in spite of the hatred and bigotry you types throw at them. You could say they have, er, balls (sorry, couldn't resist). 'Conservatives have demonstrated this that beliefs are key'......what on earth are you talking about?!? Stop waffling and focus, man. And far from being hypocritical 'Liberals' (again, not a left/right issue) are simply supporting a section of society who you types simply cannot help but attack. They are showing the empathy that you are obviously lacking. It's one of the most important of human qualities.
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raleighman3000 From your very first post you have for some strange reason set out to annoy: your 'points' are petty and unworthy. Why SHOULD people in Europe know the name and location, for crying out loud? I know from personal experience many Americans can't locate major foreign countries, and are uninterested in learning about anywhere outside the US. And for the life of me I can't understand your rant against SPEEDING TICKETS?!? In my view driving standards are tanking.....UP the fines, I say!
I too have travelled extensively over the decades, and while yes, I've noticed the occasional US twang among the natives, most of them just speak English with the accent of whatever country they're from. When I talk to Spaniards, for example, they don't speak 'Spanish English', they are simply speaking English......with a Spanish accent. Same with you yanks: you're not speaking 'American English', you're speaking ENGLISH, albeit with an American accent!
I love visiting the US (although no way would I want to live there) and know Americans to be among the friendliest people on the planet. But I've also encountered a group who tarnish the name of your country: they are loud, brash, arrogant (with no personal reason to be), and generally obnoxious. These are the kind who take personal credit not just for America's past achievements, but also for many that weren't American! Ring any bells?
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J Anderson So, you mention 'reasonable logic', yet in the same post reveal you have none: quelle surprise! How is THE KNOWN FACT that there have been homosexuals all through recorded history related to THE KNOWN FACT that we are born this way? They are two different subjects, sad man! By the way, I have all the proof I need that I was born to be homosexual, the fact that I knew I was different at a very early age despite not knowing any gays......in fact not knowing gays existed! I am 'pushing' nothing, ignorant fool, just stating the way things are. So now you say there is 'evident proof' against this? Sigh......ok, I'll bite ( although I've seen you liars say this many times in the past, but it ALWAYS turns out to be unsubstantiated religionist nonsense)......how is the known fact (i.e. known by me, through personal experience) that I was born to be gay wrong? Are YOU going to be the first to follow through with your claim by showing me unbiased proof? I think not. Ffs, J, you spout so much verbose crap, using the same old FAILED nonsense, but it all adds up to a big fat zero. Homosexual molestation of children?!? Ye gods, it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic! Now, I see you are still unwilling to provide proof of your assertion that those evil 20th century despots were atheists. HOW UNUSUAL!!! Lol, sorry about that, I can't help but be sarcastic. After all, you have never given any proof whatsoever to back up ANY of your claims. Look, J, I escaped the insanity of your twisted version of religion many decades ago: why on earth would you think I could for one second return to that madness? Sorry to blow my own trumpet (lol) but my life is great. I love, and am loved. I am doing what everyone should do......living my one life to the best of my abilities. Are YOU loved, J?
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J Anderson Come on, J, we both know that sad specimen is just a low-grade nutter........OF COURSE I don't waste much time on him! You, however, are a much more dangerous animal, another kind of nutter entirely: one who tries to influence vulnerable people into following their insane version of god. And I know in his way he does the same, but, well, he just has the opposite effect. And of course I think about what you said, J, it is insulting of you to think I wouldn't. I mean, what do you think I am......a Christian?
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James Story 1. Your answer is ALWAYS self-defence, but that means nothing when you consider that throwing ever more guns at the problem HAS NOT WORKED IN THE US!
2. The only emotion the New Zealand Prime Minister has been sadness....and rightly so! But she DOES have the wisdom and foresight to actually want to act to reduce the chances of it happening again in N. Z., unlike what happens in the US where the only'actions' taken are more 'praying and sending thoughts', ffs!!! Now THAT is truly just 'acting on emotions', and does it work? HELL NO!
3. I suspect you, as I, are not an expert on the N.Z. judicial system and so are not qualified to comment on individual cases. Nevertheless, your 'point' is just an obfuscation and irrelevant to our topic.
4. Are you saying your glorious pussy-grabber-in-chief was just being silly when he said he would consider a proposal to arm teachers? Surely not......lol. Nevertheless, some schools DO allow teachers to carry guns.....because US insanity.
5. Your rant against the Left is pathetic and irrelevant, considering this is wholly a public safety issue, not a right v. left one. In my country, whether left or right, we ALL are aghast at the state of play in the US: NO WAY would we want the sort of gun laws you saddoes have! We much prefer our much lower murder rares, thank you very much. You blaming the Left is just pathetic and shows your desperation....and highlights the obvious fact that you are an insane rightwing nutjob!
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Kole Quinn You are articulate and obviously sensible: far more than I was at your age! I want to assure you that things are getting better all the time, as those small-minded fools continue to die off. It was a lot harder to be out in my early years, and I had many problems in coming to terms with my sexuality....I didn't know anyone who was like me, so had no one to turn to for sympathetic advice. But I eventually realised I had to accept what I was born to be, and ever since then my life has improved immeasurably. ( I may have said this before; for some strange reason I think one or two of my previous posts may have gone missing!). At 60, I can look back with quiet satisfaction at the spectacular success of our protests and struggles. Yes, some of my friends and family had problems accepting me for being gay, but now they ALL regret their anti-gay stance, and are fully supportive. I am lucky, my life now is good. I suspect you also will achieve what you want, and will thrive. Stay strong, and good luck!
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Rebecca Rivera For pity's sake, I NEVER CLAIMED 'UTTER GARBAGE' WAS AN ARGUMENT, you stupid woman: it was a statement borne out of frustration at the low quality of your posts!!! Up to now I've had the patience of a saint when replying to your UTTER DROSS, but I've had enough.....I swear I can feel my braincells implode when reading your crap!
Ok, I've calmed down now.....sorry, but I had to get my frustration with you out of the way.
So, here we go again with more relevant points for you to ignore: Gay unions are an aid to making societies become more tolerant of others who are different, and as such ABSOLUTELY represent an advancement to our species. Can you refute that statement, with an INTELLIGENT response, for once, Rebecca?
So, on with the Questions:
1. Where have I EVER denied the obvious fact that only male and female can produce offspring? And why do you ignore my relevant point that gay couples have various ways of producing/raising families to get round this fact?
2. Why did you put the words gay marriage in quotation marks? If you don't give me a viable reason this time I will have to conclude it is indeed down to good old fashioned closed-minded religious intolerance and proceed accordingly.
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Chimp Master Chimp, I finally had the time to look at your gallup same-sex marriage poll, and I want to say one thing: THANK YOU! I knew the US was going in the right direction, but I never dreamed it would be so fast......anti-ssmers down FIVE POINTS in the year to 2015! Wow, that really has made my day! Once again, thank you, you bigoted types are dying off quicker than I thought possible. Now, I have to ask......why do you feel you have to lie that 8 out of 10 serial killers are gay? I mean, I know your a sad specimen of humanity but really, you simply can not be serious? Sheesh, seek help......pal.
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Strawberry I have already answered your disgusting lies: yes, we currently have a migrant crisis ( I NEVER said we didn't!) largely caused by both our countries past policies. No we do not have any no-go zones, that is just a lie of your many right wing fake news sites. You certainly seem to be an uneducated moron who believes everything his masters feed him, so what other conclusion could we come to? Anyway, going back to your tourism crap, I stand by what I say: it is STILL generally booming in Europe. Yes, parts are obviously dipping, but this will turn out to be a temporary dip once things return to normal. After all, the US still enjoyed a buoyant tourist industry even after 9/11.......when THOUSANDS died! Your "arguments" are pathetic.Time after time we do indeed answer your questions, Strawberry, but you appear to be unable to absorb our answers, so I repeat......can you not at least TRY to gain an education, and start doing your own thinking?
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Dena Campbell 'No-one is born gay or straight'. The fact is, some people are born to BE gay: I knew at a very early age that I was different, long before I heard of the word homosexual. It wasn't until I escaped from the insanity of religion....YOUR insanity.....that I accepted the simple fact that I was gay, and that was how I was meant to be. I wasted far too many years trying to live life according to your f'ed up values, and probably wouldn't be here now if I hadn't found a way out. You make absolutely no sense when you claim to be a lesbian, and in the next sentence say it is unnatural! I mean, how twisted is that shit: homosexuality has existed from the very start, and many animals exhibit it, so OF COURSE it is natural.....for homosexuals! I repeat, I was born to be gay, and my life only improved (greatly) when I accepted that fact. Now, in my middle age, I am accepted, loved, and happy. I have lived with my wonderful male partner for many years, and will shortly be married. We will be surrounded by the love of ALL our friends, family and colleagues, it will be a great day. I feel sorry for you, that you have been brainwashed to the extent you feel you are "sinning" by being gay, but it is not my problem: I no longer have to tolerate such insane bigotry. Cheers from a very happy homosexual!
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Dena Campbell You are wrong: it is you who are confused and in error. Religion has destroyed many lives, and it is sad your mind has been twisted by such religious insanity. You ask what rights don't gays have, well I can tell you the rights we HAVE gained have had to be fought for vigorously, and our enemies (YOU) are forever plotting to wind them back....we know we have to be vigilant. At 60 I can remember past times when you types had power, and gays none. I can remember friends being fired because they didn't 'fit in' (i.e. they were gay). I can remember the abuse we got from police, our safe spaces being raided, peoples lives ruined by being publicly exposed for being gay. I can remember people not being able to visit their same-sex partners in hospital, because their partners families didn't approve. And do you know what, stupid woman? Some of these things are STILL allowed in some US states. So why do you put gay rights in quotation marks? We have EARNED our equal rights: you religious extremists can no longer damage our lives. But make no mistake, we have just started. There are far too many countries where your kind are still able to make the lives of LGBT a living hell, and we will continue to support and help them where we can. As you types usually are, you're a liar: we are not demanding Christians give up their right to faith......but then you lot are experts at twisting the facts, aren't you!
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Dena Campbell You know, with every post you prove my point about you being a low quality piece of humanity.....your 'points', cut-and pasted from your extremist websites, are all lies that no longer work for you. The only people who believe such ridiculous nonsense are your fellow religious nutters, who are slowly dwindling: like I said, and which (of course) you ignore, no-one of any worth believes your crap these days. 1. Your religion is akin to Islam, in that both have destroyed countless innocent lives. You are a LIAR. 2. Of course homosexuality is natural, for those of us who are gay. If you were truly a lesbian you would know that. You are a LIAR. 3. There is no peace in your twisted version of religion, only hatred for those who cannot think as you. You are a LIAR. 4. You have ignored my point about you types trying to turn back the clock and take our rights away, and that some states deny still deny us many rights. You are a LIAR. 5. Do you not remember the hatred and violence accorded us in the past, "lesbian"? OF COURSE we needed safe spaces. But we are no longer vulnerable: you hate-filled religious extremists no longer have the power to damage our lives. Yes, disgusting creature, I do have a spine, as do so many LGBT, which is why we are in the situation we are in, with the vast majority now on our side. I 'grew up' many decades ago! 6. In spite of your pathetic rantings, we are indeed getting close to achieving equal rights, through the struggles of many past activists who are no longer with us (and make no mistake, we will never forget what they went through at the hands of you disgusting bigots) and the struggles WE have been through, and which, of course, you choose to ignore. The many happy, successful same sex households I have encountered who are generally doing a great job raising children show that homosexuality is absolutely natural...for homosexuals! And proves my point that you are a LIAR. 7. Your petty and murderous "creator" has never existed.....but if he did he would certainly have a lot to answer for. The only hell there is is right here on earth for far too many people: your "god" is nowhere to be seen. 8. Every point you have made is tired, worn-out, and wrong....I have seen you saddoes use them countless times, and they no longer work for you. Nobody cares about your twisted extremist version of religion any more, Dena: you have lost, while on this topic, the rest of society has won. As I said, my partner and I are surrounded by the love of our friends and family, and that is all we need and ask for: we are happy. We know we are living our one life the way it was meant to be lived: the way God made us. Is that too much emotion for you, sad little girl? May I repeat: your LIES no longer work for you!
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Dena Campbell You really are an endless fount of entertainment, sad woman.....you only have to look in the mirror to see who is REALLY the true embarrassment here! I see no signs thus far of you having a brain, that's for sure. Your obsessions with Muslims and Communism are just pathetic......grow up. The Democrat party is nowhere near being communist, you poor stupid woman: you simply prove you have no idea what communism is! And, at 60, OF COURSE I know about the atrocities committed by communist dictators, you know nothing about me by claiming I didn't. I repeat: you are a LIAR. Let me repeat, you are a sad, pathetic fool who thinks they are making sound points, but no you are not. Go back to school, you are not worthy.
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Dena Campbell Jebus woman, you really are the gift that keeps on giving! Your stupidity and ignorance are astounding: how have I failed, 'lesbian'? You have so far not refuted ANYTHING I have posted.....you just ignore my points and spout yet more utter crap. I have already told you how good my life is now I no longer have to tolerate you religious nutters, so please explain to me in what way this is me failing??? I have already educated you on the plain fact that the vast majority of people are now on our side, so how is this 'losing the debate'??? Do you seriously think all the peeps who are now on our side are communists, ffs??? I skip over NOTHING, fake lesbian, and my REAL facts absolutely are working for us.....spectacularly! You. Have. Nothing. Now let me educate you some more, god (lol) knows you certainly need it: when you give links in support of your pathetic nonsense you have to make sure they are unbiased, and factworthy. THAT is the way facts work! So I clicked on to your link, and after the first few seconds knew enough not to waste my time any further on this ONE AND A HALF HOURS WORTH OF BIASED RIGHT-WING GARBAGE! I mean, Curtis Bowers??? Ffs, fake lesbian, your brainwashing is complete! At this point I feel I have to repeat a simple fact: YOUR LINKS NEED TO BE UNBIASED. I have all the evidence I need to know you are a low-grade specimen of trailer trash who doesn't merit the title of Human Being. Have a nice day.
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Dena Campbell You know, a decade or two ago I never thought our rights would have advanced to the extent they have in my lifetime, nor that the great majority of people (especially in the US, which in so many ways is, shall I say, 'backward thinking') would change their minds so soon to support their gay friends and family.....in some ways our society has gone the right way and improved the lives of ALL its citizens. And for all your wailing about you religious extremists being persecuted, you have lost nothing except your right to punish others for being different. But wail on, fake lesbian, the stupidity and ignorance of your kind are speeding this process up, and ever more countries will recognise the value of treating their LGBT citizens with the respect due. Have I failed, really, fake lesbian? LOL.....only in your alternate reality!
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Dena Campbell 'How did anyone observe and study the big bang when no one was here to see it, nor see evolution'. Sigh, we did not need to be at the actual event, utterly ridiculous moron, we can observe the after-effects even billions of years later. Ok, here goes: Astronomers have observed that the Universe is spreading apart, and their studies and experiments have lead almost all of them to conclude the Big Bang was an actual occurrence, and that it happened roughly 13.8 billion years ago, on a Wednesday. It's called SCIENCE, disgusting creature, and of course those of us who have had at least a half-decent education trust these people, who are responsible for all the advancement of the Human Race. As for the rest of your tract, it is as usual utter garbage: you have (of course!) ignored my fact that the babble has been rewritten and altered many times and uses circular reasoning in support of its "facts". I would suggest you google What is the evidence for the Big Bang, by Fraser Cain, but apparently you are incapable of googling....... Seek help.
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Dena Campbell Yes, vile creature, ALL society wins when it’s citizens are treated as equals......so sad you are too stupid to realise that, but hey, I think I’ll be able to live with it, lol. Meanwhile out here in realityville the gays are getting married, rearing kids admirably, enjoying the full support of family and friends..... and there is not a damn thing you can do to change that fact! Society wins, you, vile creature, have lost. Seek help.
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Dena Campbell Yet again you are hilarious: ALL my points are rooted in reasoning, and are based on truth and logic, vile creature, whereas all your UTTER RIDICULOUS shite is based on religious crap. I see you have completely ignored all my relevant points in my last 3 posts......no change there then, lol. You are simply incapable of reasoning, sad woman: your debating skills are, as always, appalling. And here you are again lying about me: no, you disgusting creature, I would NEVER support incest, paedophilia and murder, as guess what.....THEY ARE HARMFUL TO SOCIETY. Can you sink any lower in suggesting I would support such things? L O L......of course you can, vile creature! Are you seriously saying that same-sex marriage shouldn't be allowed because of the large occurrence of broken marriages (presumably straight) and kids getting into trouble?!? LOL, what a pathetic joke you are! Kids raised in same-sex households are doing just fine, vile creature.....you have nothing. The remainder of your last two sad rants is just meaningless nonsense ( no change there then!) and so is unworthy of my time. Seek help.
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***** You really do love to twist facts don't you, JB! Far from failing, liberal views are gaining ground in more and more areas of the world. The US, as always, is lagging behind, but it will get there eventually, when the suckers who support Trump realise they've been had. You simply have to look at the most stable countries to know that fair-minded liberal politics benefits all. Sadly, I no longer consider the once great country of America as being stable.....too many religious and right-wing extremists, I'm afraid. If Americans continue to polarise I fear you will head towards a 2nd. civil war, which will be bad for al of us in the West. It will be bloody indeed, you lot being awash with guns.......
Now, what is this obsession you have with redcoats? Is it an indication of the century your mind thinks it's in?
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***** Oh, so now it's 'cult-left'??? Your love of made-up terms is truly pathetic, but, strangely, entertaining. Your verbose waffling boils down to a big fat nothing, JB......you are simply embarrassing yourself!
As for me 'wandering on to the internet' (CORRECT spelling), FFS JB, do you not realise the internet is not your personal property.....it's usage is for everyone!
Once again I urge you to find yourself a passport, as many parts of the globe outside the US are amazing places to visit. I repeat, travel really does broaden the mind.
I am a seasoned traveller myself, and can assure you my life is great......in no way am I a ''serf' (What is it with you and outmoded terms? Serf, redcoat??? L O L.)
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Bobby Hawkins My god, what a verbose piece of utter nonsense! When you say you are not religious are you saying you do not follow any god? I only ask because I have seen posts from god-botherers before who lie that they 'are not religious'! Speaking from the UK we do not have to put up with the kind of hysterical nonsense you types spout in the US......why on earth would you think for a nano-second that we would go back to the bad old days when we had to hide our sexuality?!? WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE FROM! I'm a 59 years old gay male with a much-loved partner of many years, and all of my friends, family, neighbours etc. support us 100%. 'Most sane people'??? You don't know the meaning of the word! I have heard so many lies from you lot, including kids in ss households are somehow "damaged".....if they are it's usually because of bullying from people like YOU. I personally have encountered/know many same-sex couples who are raising children, and they are generally doing a great job: the kids are growing up just fine. Thriving, in fact. So once again, are you telling the truth when you say you don't follow any god? I have to say you really DO come across as a homophobic religious nutter! "45% per cent of kids molested are boys molested by homosexual men". You sad, ridiculous waste of space! Having no valid reasoning you resort to outright lies. Give proof for your evil crap, idiot. Most people these days have no problem with LGBT issues.....you just need to go back to the Dark Ages where you belong!
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Bobby Hawkins Wow, it's just lie after lie with you isn't it, disgusting person! You have not provided any verifiable UNBIASED proof whatsoever for your twisted "facts", whereas there are loads of studies PROVING kids raised in same-sex households are not disadvantaged. You have totally ignored everything I said about personal knowledge of how well such kids are doing, and instead rattle on with stupid garbage which NOBODY believes anymore! Of course I care about children, sicko, which is why I know they should be kept as far away as possible from unstable types such as yourself. Once again, sad man, I will tell you I have all the proof I need of how well such households are doing raising kids: personal experience and observation. You have absolutely nothing......all the lengthy crap you've spouted adds up to a big fat nothing! I suggest you crawl off and die as you are obviously a total waste of space.Oh, and it seems you are also lying about 'not being religious', lol. Have a nice day!
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Joe Guiffre Come on, Joe, you can do better than that.....can't you??? The thing is, 'sin' doesn't actually exist out here in the real world: it is an old outdated means of keeping peeps enslaved to a 'god'. And again, your use of the term 'unnatural' means sweet f**k all when you consider it's been a thing since the beginning, will still be a thing at the end, and it's been observed in many species, not just humans.
Your arguments are old, worn out and have been demolished countless times in the years I've been online.....you desperately need new ones that actually work for you! Speaking of which, I'm 61, with many gay friends older, and fit and healthy. Probably due to the fact we work out in the gym three times a week.
It is not homosexuality that leads to premature death, bigot, it's self-destructive lifestyles of whatever kind....which means your 'argument' is not against homosexuality per se, but against unhealthy habits. The thing is, now we no longer have to bow to you intolerant religious nutjobs we have gained something LGBT often lacked in the past; self-respect. It does wonders for health, mental and physical.....much better than being enslaved to your fake god.
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Joe Guiffre Sigh, yet more irrelevant stupid bullshit from you I'm afraid, Joe.....WHEN will you types ever come up with viable arguments, I wonder...lol.
No, religious obsessive, the concept of sin DOESN'T exist out here in the real world, being a man-made means to control people. Now of course, we have another method: SECULAR morality.
Very many things have no physical purpose other than for entertainment, stupid creature, such as (insert any hobby). Your point is irrelevant as they are nevertheless pleasurable and advantageous.
It matters not that you think homosexuality has no purpose in existence; it has been around from the beginning, is observed in may species, and is perfectly natural....for people of the homosexual nature!
‘Therefore should be deleted'. Ffs....what a miserable specimen of humanity you are, you sad CREEP.
Have a nice day.
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Rose Hinton Hell most certainly does not exist, having being a fictional means of keeping people under control centuries ago.....it is man-made. Most humans realise this, Rose, but sadly there are a few left-overs from a more ignorant, darker age....you being one of them. I well remember the priests shouting at us kids from the pulpits that we were going to 'burn in hell' if we didn't do as they did, think as they do. Doing THAT to children is true evil.....using FEAR to indoctrinate.Your morals are also inferior, as they rely on FEAR of what your "god" might allow to happen to you after death. Mine, however, simply rely on my desire to leave this world a better place. I am no reprobate, and yet you believe I am worthy of being sent to be eternally tortured: it's truly sad you believe such disgusting rubbish, you really should know better in these enlightened times.
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QuartuvLarry This is just too hilarious.....and yet sad at the same time. You actually say that because you have typed 'You mean proof OTHER than the fact that they are psychologically living in a state of denial' then that counts as proof. You poor sad man.....you are an embarrassment to your cause, and also to humanity. I mean, surely there must be SOME adult education classes near you trailer park? LOL. The thing is, Q, what you call 'political correctness' has a nasty habit of becoming accepted practice in our society: e.g. banishing segregation, accepting mixed race marriage, same-sex marriage, etc., etc., etc. Now, you are perfectly free to continue with your sad '50's mindset, we really couldn't give a toss. Meanwhile the rest of us (i.e. society) is continuing to move past your dark world of hatred and bigotry. It's your kids I feel sorry for!
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QuartuvLarry Ah, the old "it's a strawman" rubbish......how utterly predictable of you to use a worn out, useless ploy of the right. So, let's go over my posts: I refuted your statement 'you mean proof OTHER than the fact that they are psychologically living in a state of denial' by pointing out that just because that is your personal opinion it in no way whatsoever counts as proof. Hmm, no strawman there. Ok, let's continue; I have stated that transgender people have been serving in various countries militaries for very many years without serious incident, and that if they're strong enough to survive the training they are deserving of the chance to serve. Again, no strawman, it pertains to our discussion. I have never said the incidence of suicide attempts by this group are not higher than in the general population.......of course they are ( to a large extent due to the narrow-minded bigotry of you idiots, I might add). But the strength of transgenders who have served in the military for many years is plain to see.......in spite of the extra obstacles they may endure they cause no problems. You have no basis nor examples to support your 'argument'. Look, I get it: you simply do not like transgender people. It seeps through every one of your posts.....you wish they didn't exist. But they DO exist.....always have done, and always will. I realised a long time ago you types need to have someone to look down on to function: a few years back it was gays, but (most) of you have realised you lost that one, so have moved on to the next vulnerable group. And you're too stupid to realise you have lost this one also. The US will do the right, fair thing in the end, just as it has done with other issues of equality, and will catch up with other more enlightened countries. Yes, your beloved man-child will try to slow down that process, but reason will prevail in the end: history will not look back kindly on his chaotic reign. So I repeat: you are too stupid to realise you have lost. You have nothing. Time to look into those adult education classes, Q!
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Headless Horseman I praise the lard I am now live my life free of you sorry religious nutters, who INSIST on trying to interfere in our lives when we neither ask nor need you to. ‘Concerned’?!? Hell no.....OBSESSED! You show time and again that you know fuck all about our lives, so let me enlighten you:
I grew up in a religious household, and had a generally normal, happy time. Until.... I realised I was interested in boys not girls. That’s when my life went downhill...the priests bellowing from the pulpit that we kids were going to burn forever if we didn’t toe the line certainly didn’t help. THAT how evil you religionists are, sad bigot, shouting that garbage at children!
I didn’t have a good time in my teenage years, which I spent in denial of my sexuality, and it didn’t help that I had no one to tell me it’s ok, no role models.....again, I praise the lard gay kids are getting the help they need these days. Luckily I found the strength to break free of your kinds religious insanity, and from then on my life improved immeasurably, to the extent that now, at 61, I can look back at my life with PRIDE. I am surrounded with love; the love of my family, the love of my friends....but most of all the love of my wonderful same sex partner of many years. And all because I made the right decisions when younger. Detrimental, pathetic pos? Lol no....my life is WONDERFUL! And society, those people you belittle so readily, BENEFITS from accepting us with open arms.
Have YOU ever experienced love, sad man? No, I think not, smh.
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Jay Cee ‘What makes you think anyone is innocent?’
‘That means we’re all evil, by default’.
‘I never said that we “deserve” Hell or that we’re all guilty from the start’.
What ‘changing back’ am I doing, Jay? As far as I can see it is YOU who are using such obfuscations by making the first two statements and then going back on them by saying you never said we’re all guilty from the start. I mean, at what age DO you think we change to ‘being evil’ and are therefore worthy of hell? Six, maybe? Twelve?
Who exactly is doing the misleading here, Jay? It certainly isn’t me....I am not the one making false statements about the other.
‘Those people are letting pride make those decisions for them’. Wow. Crass, childish and utterly false; please explain WHAT pride has to do with the ability to reason and think for oneself.
We don’t need to ‘deal with it’ as far as the man made concept of hell is concerned....that particular part of mythology is YOURS to be concerned with, and certainly not our problem.
The only thing you have to back up your nonsense is your twisted book of mythology. Now, if you want to believe such disgusting garbage as the story of children taunting a baldy man and getting ripped apart by a bear, or that any god worth his salt would want his servant to prove he loved his god by slaughtering his son, then that is your concern. I have no problem with you believing such evil garbage.....UNTIL you attempt to threaten the rest of us into believing your nonsense. And that is exactly the crux, Jay....you ARE using threats of eternal damnation! Because that’s how weak your religion is!
In saying you have the bible what you’re really saying is.....you have nothing.
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Jay Cee I simply want you to explain yourself; you accused me of making ‘false assumptions’ earlier when I have done no such thing. Indeed, YOU are the one prone to making that mistake, accusing me of knowing nothing about Christianity, using ‘secular reasoning’ (whatever you meant by that, smh), of being hostile to you etc. But no worries....that is a trait I’m well used to from you religious obsessives.
No matter how you dress up the meaning of evil, the obvious fact is if, as you say, we are evil by nature then it is your ‘perfect god’ who failed in our design, ergo IT is to blame! If you really believe ANYONE deserves hell then there is no hope for you; you are a failure as a human being.
As I have said, nobody had any choice on whether to be born and yet your kind believe we are evil for simply having questions about the existence of your god and therefore deserve hell....it beggars belief that you cannot see how twisted that is!
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Jay Cee Oh dear, ANOTHER false assumption about me.... you simply cannot help yourself can you, religious obsessive! Thank you for once again proving my point that YOU are the one making false assumptions and assertions here. And now, instead of countering my points, such as those in my last three posts, you throw your dummy out of the pram by accusing me of being ‘a child’ (see what I did there, lol). Well no, as I said....and of course, you ignored.....I am PASSIONATE about highlighting how disgusting and irrelevant your twisted version of religion is. You types simply cannot get away with spouting your nonsense these days as you used to without being called out.
I give up on demanding an answer as to how I’ve been ‘prideful’....it’d be like flogging a dead horse. Instead I will go on to your false assertion that I’m insecure.
No. The only time in my life when I WAS insecure was in my late teens when I was mired in religious indoctrination. But believe me, it was far worse than being insecure....I needed help but there was no one. Happily for me I somehow eventually found the strength to free myself from my bonds and have never looked back since. The decisions I made then secured me the happy life I now have, surrounded by love.
At 62 I can look back with quiet pride (oh bollocks). Lol.
With not a shred of insecurity whatsoever. Indeed, you have shown far more insecurity in your persistence; anyone who’s confident in their religious stance would have given up on me long ago, realising I’m not going to change my views at this stage, and would move on to snaring another poor sucker into your web of religious nutjobbery. As I’ve said, it is YOU who have been making false claims here, with not a shred of proof to back up the existence of your god...I have only been doing my job of telling the truth.
For insecurity I suggest you look in the mirror.
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GlobalFortuneRecordingAcademy Fuck off you sad twat.....your lies are pathetic. I live in the UK, and have hopped over the Channel frequently: I know it for what it is, a beautiful, cultured country with a noble population. France has endured far worse times than at present and will do so now. Do you know why that is, trumpling? Because the French are a strong, durable people. You lot, on the other hand, are poor excuses for human beings, as is your dear leader. Hell, even your grammar's shite! Why do parts of the US resemble third world countries, I have to wonder......
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Time4 Truth Yes, I don't live in the US, but I visit regularly and am HORRIFIED by your casual attitude to these continuing atrocities. I won't capitalise this because sometimes it diminishes the point in some peoples eyes, but you need to change your thought: you need to do something! No, I have never tried to get a gun , because ( here's the important part!) we don't need them in the UK. For all your pathetic wailing that it took you 2-3 months ( FFS) to get your hands on one, it doesn't negate the fact that far too many unstable people are able to easily get hold of them in your country. Of course I show interest in the US, it is after all still vital to the safety of the West.As for you continuing to bring up the UK crime statistics why would I be upset by that......they are a tiny fraction of yours! You know, one thing I've noticed about so many of you Americans is your paranoia: no, your government is not going to turn tyrannical ( in spite of your current administration), it will take far more instability to do so. And why do you types always bring up Venezuela??? We all know that country is at present a basket case, but what the hell does it have to do with this discussion? I have read 1984, and Animal Farm, and yet again have to ask: what has this to do with our discussion? Don't bother answering, I know the answer: as I previously mentioned, you are paranoid. Soros? Gates? FFS, will you Americans PLEASE start thinking for yourselves instead of being suckered in to the Breitbart/Fox News/Republican ideology?
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James Story 6. No matter how many courses parents go on, children ARE BEING KILLED through finding guns......and this has far from happened to just one family, you devious bastard!
7. The measures taken against the prevalence of knife carrying, far from being 'silly', are a part of wider measures and, I predict, will have a positive effect. You see, unlike the US we don't just send more thoughts and prayers, wring our hands and then forget about the outrages: WE TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION!
8. Those London murder figures were down to a spike in February 2018, but according to a Reuters article dated 30th. November 2018 London murders are now back below New York levels at ROUGHLY A HALF that of N.Y.!!! And the figures for the whole UK are still a fraction of those for the US, proportionally. Did I mention you're a devious bastard? The fact that the UK figures are nevertheless at a 10 year high is in part due to our useless austerity obsessed Tory government, which has decimated our police forces. Once a Labour government is elected normal service will be resumed.
9. Where have I lied, you devious bastard? The fact is YOU'RE the one who's been economical with the truth, and omitted to state relevant facts!
10. Did I mention you're a devious bastard?
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James Story Oh, so now you want us to have a cordial discussion?!? After all your lies, accusations, fallacies about us, and outright fucktardery you want us to be 'friends'??? Well no, little trump cultist......our conversation is WAY past that possibility ever happening! For your lie that London has a higher murder rate than New York I despise you. For your utter failure to respond to the vast majority of points I have made, (for example you have not produced even the tiniest shred unbiased proof to back up any of the utter shit you spout)...I despise you. For your outright lie that 'facts and data don't matter to us'.....I despise you. For you and your cult leaders attacks on, and obsession with, a dead war hero I despise you; you are both traitors to your country.
1. I don't give a shit that you find me 'facaicious', James (whatever THAT means, lol).....my respect for your opinions is at this point at rock bottom (not bottEM, lol) and couldn't possibly be any lower! I pity you.
2. So your heroes are all far right conspiracy theorist nutjobs and religious nutters..... aint THAT a surprise, smh. Mark Dice, the nutter who spills out conspiracy theory shit such as the Illuminati ruling the world.....wow.....your country's fucked. Dinesh D'Souza, who was found guilty of making an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 US senate campaign, but was eventually (surprise surprise!) pardoned by Spanky Bonespurs. And Jordan Peterson who, in particular, just bores me rigid with his endless waffling. Does this mean you also are a conspiracy theory nutjob, sad man ? Are you also a part of the American Christian Taliban? Smh.....I pity you.
3. What is wrong with you James? I have said on numerous occasions that, being a Brit, I don't follow your joke news outlets (which, by the way, are a total embarrassment to your country....you guys should have consigned all your fake news shite to the dustbin of history by now!) and couldn't give a toss about CNN. I have already told you that, at 61, I learned long ago not to trust any news article on merit, and to read between the lines....why are you ignoring everything I tell you??? I pity you.
4. I knew long before the election what kind of "man" your dear leader is: one who would do anything to claw his way up, including swindling workmen working on his properties, and creating a fake 'university' to leach money out of poor unfortunates. And during the election, when he stalked Hillary Clinton on the televised debates like the sad creep he is, and his constant rabble-rousing of the worst kind. And his constant attacks on anyone who displeased him, including the family of a gold star dead war hero, ffs! We've had two years of his constant lying, his cosying up to mass-murdering dictators, his insulting of Americas allies to the point where your country is no longer respected in any way, and his constant pathetic tweets.....ye gods, he is a CHILD! I don't know if you've ever been out of the US (I suspect not, ha!) but the rest of the world id laughing at what the US has become: a circus, and a massive insane asylum. But I'm not laughing...because I know the West needs a strong US, not one who panders to despots, and ends up with the shitshow that was Helsinki. I pity you.
5. As I said, your disgusting attacks on the dead war hero John McCain mark you out to be a pathetic specimen of humanity and a traitor to your country. Same with your glorious leader. I in no way liked his politics, but his service to his country demands respect. You are truly Deplorable, having produced no evidence whatsoever for your claim he is a traitor. I pity you.
6. All through this thread you have dismissed our relevant points with pathetic lies, names and attacks on our character; 'zombies', 'conniving little shit heads', 'emotional feminists' (LOL), etc. etc. while at the same time producing not a single fact that holds weight. I pity you.
7. It just beggars belief that you feel the need to rant against LGBT....you really are the worst kind of trailer trash! No, you ridiculous fool, we most certainly do NOT sympathise with paedophiles, any more than the straight community does; you are a pathetic LIAR. I pity you.
So no, sad little trumpling, I will not be having any cordial discussions with you any time soon, as I despise you for your unceasing ignorance and stupidity! At this point it wouldn't surprise me if you said the Earth is flat, smh.
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James Story Yeah, I didn't think you'd give the answer to that simple question; you conspiracy nutters are never very good at answering questions, are you James? You have shown that time after time on this thread.
The reason I asked for your age was because I have suspected for quite a while now that, because of your lack of reasoning skills and your dogged insistence on embarrassing yourself in ignoring the obvious, I have strong suspicions you are an immature child. At the most in your late teens......it's obvious you have a hell of a lot of growing up to do.
James, one fact I realised early on in our conversation is a rather obvious one: YER A FECKIN EEJIT! if you'd done what I asked you to do aeons ago, simply google the murder rates between New York and London, you would know that the incidence of murder in New York (of ANY kind...not just guns) as of November 2018 stood at 238.....whereas the figure in London stood at 124. As I said, roughly half that of New York. Yet again you embarrass yourself.
So, I do believe we've come to the end of our conversation. I’ve spent enough of my time trying to educate you to the way things are, but you will persist in living in your alternate reality giving your alternate ‘facts’, so I can do no more. I really hoped you would eventually come up with an argument I could get my teeth into, one that held weight.....but it wasn't to be. As I said, you have a lot of growing up to do, James: I sincerely hope you mature enough to wisen up. Bye bye.
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atheistsrnumber1 Ah, so you're an exgay, another religionist term from the so-called 'atheist', lol. If that claim is true (I don't believe anything you claim at this point!) then you were never gay. Bisexual, maybe, but not gay. I can say this with confidence, because I am totally gay, knew from an early age I was (and no, I wasn't molested!) and have to inform you it was never a choice: I AM GAY. My god, you spout such utter nonsense, do you actually think anyone is falling for your crap, sad man? Now you claim kids are being raised 'to be gay'??? Smh, you're a joke. Look at any unbiased survey, they will tell you gays are generally doing a good job raising kids, and no, those kids aren't being magically turned gay.....just as I wasn't turned hetero by my straight parents. It would seem you are afraid of your own shadow.
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atheistsrnumber1 Hang on, so the man who has come out with a whole slew of utter garbage about LGBT WITHOUT ANY PROOF of his "facts" now wants ME to provide proof??? Wow, that is too precious, sad man......really funny. Why would I go to the effort to do any such thing when in your last post you show you would be unwilling to believe anything that goes against your worldview ( 'common sense says to not believe everything you read on the internet')? If you opened your eyes you would see proof of the validity of LGBT all around you, raising kids, doing worthwhile jobs in healthcare, for example, generally getting through their lives the best way they can, just like everyone else. The crucial difference between the bad old days and the present is that they now do so without interference from you creeps. THAT is why we are able to live our lives openly these days, and why you will be seeing a lot more of us! You can demand all the proof you want, but like I said it's all around you. The fact you choose to deny it is irrelevant, because YOU are irrelevant.
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Kojla MC Your reading skills are appalling: “There is a difference between gay and being a promiscuous polyamorous sex machine that shows off to kids, ya know”. Sigh, where have I ever defended such behaviour, pray tell me. Being actually able to THINK, I well know there is good and bad in every demographic, but I certainly don’t give ammunition to gay-haters by blanket condemnation of a whole group, a la Joshua Wright. A few examples of his generalisations: “Most gay people I know use the gay card for everything”. As another person said, if that’s the case then he’s hanging out with the wrong crowd, which is entirely HIS fault. My gay friends certainly do no such thing.
“ The world is bored with gays because they make problems for themselves then blame the nearest straight person”. This was a particularly stupid generalisation of his, as most gays do no such thing, .....he is spewing exactly the same garbage the gay-haters come out with. Oh, and he’s wrong: far from being bored with us the world, at least in our society, now LOVE us!!!
Through all his posts Joshua has generalised about a whole group of people because of his supposed bad experiences. He completely ignores the fact that as a group we do not think with one mindset, as we are after all human. You have also made this mistake.
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LTXOTETC. "Enjoy getting AIDS"......wow, what a pathetic specimen of humanity you are: a true piece of shit. Ok, asswipe, tell me where this outrageous Pride occurred that your cousin and her bf supposedly 'went to'. You see, I have been to many over the years and know them for what they are: glorious days out enjoyed by all, gay and straight alike. Just LOOK at the crowds faces, ffs: no outrage, simply everyone having a good time! I have to wonder if your cousin specifically went to Pride with the intention of becoming outraged, one way or another. I say this because I have seen you anti-gay types use this ploy often in the past: yes, the depths to which some of you will sink know no bounds! If you don't like Pride the answer is simple: don't go! Leave the rest of us to enjoy a great day out......nobody cares about you pathetic losers anymore. Triggered?!? LOL, yes, you certainly are! And your still a sad twat......
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Al Martini 3rd I tend to reply to people in the same tone as they have posted, and so sadly am sometimes not as magnanimous as maybe I should be (see my replies to Pulsie Boi)! As for your bible references, well to me it just proves my point that that book has been altered/translated many times, and so is open to misinterpretation. My version does not say 'bring them out to us that we may know them CARNALLY'. Do you not see how that word may have been added at a later date in support of the mores of the time? And as for your horrific experience at that party all I can say is, boy did you get in with the wrong crowd! Look, there is good and bad in EVERY demographic, obviously, but you can't paint all LGBT with the same brush as these people, who I assure you I would certainly go out of my way to avoid, as they are shallow, and to be honest, a bit sad. But then, so are many heteros these days.....modern life, eh......
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Pulsie Boi Hmm, you appear to be one of the types of peeps who are determined to find moral outrage in something, no matter what: In my 60 years I have attended many Pride festivals, and have NEVER witnessed displays of sexual intercourse, public or otherwise. If such incidents happen, then of course the participants should be arrested....it is not acceptable. But as I said, I have never seen this....have you? I do know that such occurrences have been known to happen at music festivals, though, which puts paid to your 'heterosexuals would never do this' shite. As for nudism, well no, I have never seen that either....not total nudity, at any rate. Partial nudity is seen by kids every day in the media, and I don't believe it fazes them: maybe they are tougher than you believe? I know of parents taking their kids to gyms, swim pools, nudist beaches, etc. where they are exposed to nudity, but they never seem to have a problem with it....maybe because they are brought up that way they just see it as natural? Which is not to say I agree with their bringing their kids up that way: not being a child psychologist I have no way of knowing whether it's beneficial for kids, so I have no stance on the matter. Look at the faces of the crowds at Pride events: all you will see are the smiling, happy faces of peeps young and old, gay and straight, having a great day out. No looks of shock, no kids going home traumatised, just a good time had by all. So no, sad man, the kids are NOT being indoctrinated, they are just been taught to be open-minded toward others who are different. Which surely you agree is a GOOD thing? They see far worse on TV and online every day than they will see at a Pride event, and after all, if their parents are fine with their kids attending such events who are you to deny them that right? I suggest you direct your fake moral outrage at something more worthy.....say, the sexualisation of children in the media?
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Al Martini 3rd Yes, I know you were talking about something that happened over 40 years ago, and my reply stands: those types are best left behind. I grew up in a Catholic household ( again, over 40 years ago, strangely) and so used the revised standard version. it states 'Bring them to us, that we may know them'. So vague, don't you agree? In any case, even if your version is correct, the episode involved an act of sexual violence, not homosexuality per se, and so of course needs to be punished. As for changes to the bible, well I don't know about any copyright issues, but I DO know it has been mistranslated many times, tracts inserted, tracts removed, written and rewritten by men each with their agendas du jour, and so cannot be seen as being literal and true. I suggest you google 'was the story of Sodom and Gomorrah about homosexuality'......there are some fascinating articles!Having said all this, I have to say there is no historical evidence that these events ever happened, nor evidence that Sodom and Gomorrah even existed! There were cities on the plain, yes, but Sodom and Gomorrah? We'll never know for certain.
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Courtney But that was precisely my point.... the way the bible is structured means there was ALWAYS going to be contestation. As I said, what chance do people have of getting it right when it is so ambiguous? As to you refuting my point about biblical authors ripping off earlier religions, well I have to request you provide unbiased links to support that assertion. I see no evidence to believe it’s the other way round.
And regarding my ‘violent times’ comment , well again, you can’t be serious?!? The vast majority of religionists who claim the end times are near cite this as one of their reasons: did you really not know that? They don’t specifically say religious persecution, just violence in general, as if there is more of a prevalence now. On a related note: you have made claims to not being religious. Can you please clarify what exactly you mean by that....do you not worship any god? I ask you this because many times in the past I have conversed with people who have made this claim, but when I have delved deeper it turns out they are indeed enslaved to one god or another. I would be grateful if you could explain what your situation is in this area.
Your understanding of Christianity is ambiguous, to say the least: you claim that warnings in the bible have come true, but it hardly takes a god to make such vague predictions as to what will happen in the future and being proved correct...it happens all the time. It simply takes a modicum of common sense and sagacity. And of course, circular reasoning.
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Courtney It's strange, you seem to have a good knowledge of the origins of religions, but yet come out with such dubiously spurious remarks as 'For example, Noah also demonstrated this same allegiance to Yahweh and The Flood can be traced back to 2345 BCE.' I mean couldn't you at least be a bit more specific: what day of the week did the flood start? Was it on a morning? Afternoon? night? Gentle sarcasm apart, you have no proof whatsoever that such events as The Flood ever happened, nor that Noah ever actually existed, yet here you are typing as if it's all known fact like the worst kind of low-education brainwashed religionist! You are obsessed with linking such things as weather related disasters and humanitarian crises to biblical prophesies, but it really doesn't hold up: apart from the fact that there is no proof for any link, and that such 'prophesies' can, as I have already stated, be made by men with a religious agenda (such as religions becoming increasingly violent toward each other), there are many other reasons why such events are occurring, such as global warming and the relatively recent explosion in human populations. WHERE is the proof that Sodom and Gomorrah was an actual event, that they even existed? WHERE is the proof that The Flood was anything more than a fable? WHERE is the proof that god sent a bear to kill those kids for taunting a baldy man (I for one hope that little episode never happened....surely he wouldn't be THAT petty)? No, expecting people to slavishly adhere to events which may or may not have happened thousands of years ago is just a stretch too far, given human nature (again!).
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Michael Mariner Thank you for ignoring the points I made in my last post: it confirms what I suspected, that you are just a knuckle dragging waste of space, with no viable points to make. Another stupid tin-hat wearing conspiracy theorist nutter shouting BENGHAZI at any poor unfortunate within shouting distance. I cannot express enough the amount of utter contempt I have for you pathetic minions, who scream 'Fake News' at anyone who gives you known facts that go against your beloved Cheetoh in chief.....you are a complete disgrace to your country. Your dear leader has had nearly two years to investigate Benghazi, but what do we have? A Big. Fat. NOTHING! Your lies are contemptible, sad man, and are damaging your country. Like I have said, when I first started visiting the US, in the '80's, we all looked up to the US: but those days are long gone.....we just shake our heads in sadness at how it's infested with you conspiracy nutters and fundie extremists. It's truly shocking what you minions have done to your country with your insistence that trickle down economics will eventually work for you The 1% are laughing at you as they toss you crumbs!
So now you mention the debt. Ok, let's look at the facts(unlike you lot, I don't do fake news): As per usual, the economy turned to shit under a Republican administration, in this case that of George W. That is what caused the debt to spiral out of control.....it was only 10 short years ago, ffs, but you fuckwits never seem to remember these FACTS, lol. The actions of Obama saved your country from a second Great Depression, but of course you LIARS dismiss this known fact as 'Fake News'. He made a good stab at bringing the debt under control and if the Republican controlled Houses hadn't been hell-bent on thwarting his every move he would have been able to do even more. I will never forget the disgusting tactics they used against him.....they were putting party above country. As are you. And now what's happening after 2 years of trump-chaos? The debt is once again spiralling ever upwards. THOSE are the facts of the debt, you complete waste of space!
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Tamas Mengesha Thank you for demonstrating what a complete and utter waste of space you are once again; let me put you straight, ignorant fuckwit...the mayor of London is not responsible for any Hezbollah flags flying in the capital, that is the fault of our useless CONSERVATIVE government! That’s right, you have fucked up yet again. Our pathetic leaders have refused to designate their political wing as a terrorist organisation, although it has done so with the military wing. Even so such displays are extremely rare, and of little relevance other than to be ignored.
Now, back to your stabbings drivel. Sigh. London is regarded as one of the safest of mega cities in the world today.....the fact that stabbings have recently been rising is, again, down to our RIGHT WING useless Tory government. The figures are still far lower than in many foreign cities, however, some of which don’t even bother to record all their statistics!
Shall we compare MURDER statistics, fuckwit? Naah, I can’t be arsed doing all your homework for you; just google murder comparisons between the UK and US, for example....it’ll blow your tiny mind 😂😂😂
And yes, our security forces DO have a great reputation for foiling the rare attempts at terrorism we experience in our country, sad specimen.....yet again your ‘point’ is void.
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vadouis Wow. Up to now I have pitied you your religious insanity, but with this latest tranche of utter drivel you have sunk to new depths....you DISGUST me!
I don’t even know where to begin to answer all your insane posts, but here we go;
In all your arguments against homosexuality you have, in fact, been a devious bastard (isn’t lying a sin?) in using OBVIOUSLY BIASED SITES OF RELIGIOUS AND RIGHT WING EXTREMIST NUTJOBBERY. For example, a ten second search of google told me that Eugene Abel is one of you lot, a disgusting creep willing to produce fake facts in support of his agenda. I can not find ANY expert in the field who supports his claims. Needless to say this garbage was from 1987, and we have a far clear knowledge (I.e. unbiased!) of homosexuality these days. In fact, with all your proof/links you seem to have delved far back in support of your twisted nonsense.... and are obviously too stupid to know your supposed to use UNBIASED AND PEER-REVIEWED LINKS to show proof. There is no such proof for Abel’s claims. You disgust me.
‘In a 2001(!) study it was found etc.’
So a small study twenty years ago noted that LGBT were significantly more abused as children....that is unfortunate but it’s telling that no detailed information was given as to why this would be. The article itself ended with the statement that more work needs to be done in this area, but nevertheless I have my own experience, and that of countless LGBT friends I have acquired over the years: the great majority of us WERE NOT MOLESTED IN ANY WAY during childhood. Your end statement relating homosexuality to being a danger to society is pathetic and wrong; It’s PAEDOPHILIA that is the danger you mention! You disgust me.
‘A 1995 (ffs!) issue of guide magazine stated etc.’ Wow....not this old garbage again. This nonsense was debunked long ago and I haven’t heard it from you nutters for many years....just shows how pathetic and desperate you are. The extremists involved in that article were promptly removed from gay organisations, as .....surprise surprise....WE DO NOT SUPPORT PAEDOPHILIA!!! Come on, creep, EVERY group has it’s unhealthy extremists....you of all people should know that!
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vadouis You know, all the terms I have applied to you are fully justified and true. You HAVE NOT refuted them! Whereas the terms you have aimed at me are demonstrably false. Such as ‘disturbed’....the fact I have the time and will to counter your pathetic nonsense does NOT make me disturbed! A ‘bully’ (aimed at LGBT as a demographic). I have already explained that we are simply using the tactics other oppressed groups such as Suffragettes have used, and I note you haven’t labelled THEM as bullies....smh. ‘Paedophile sympathisers’ (again, as a group). For this claim alone you disgust me....I cannot possibly hold you in more contempt than I do now. We most definitely DO NOT hold with paedophilia you pathetic specimen, as we know how it damages/ruins the lives of the victims. Etc. Etc.
NONE of the accusations hold true, and the discredited, utterly biased ‘surveys’ you have used ( many from the last century, ffs!) hold no sway with experts in the field today....with good reason.
If the accusations you’ve levelled at me were true I would own up to them; I would OWN them! The claims I have made about you ARE true, so come on , vadouis, OWN them! Wear them with pride....they are who you are.
And now I see you are calling me a ‘hypocrite’. Sigh, here we go again! Ok, sad specimen, answer this; HOW am I a hypocrite’? Is it because I have the utter gall to counter your religious extremism and nutjobbery?
Don’t worry, I fully expect you to ignore my question just as you have with almost all of my others .... I realised years ago that your kind are rubbish at answering my inconvenient questions, lol.
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Scott Barlow As for free speech, well we in Europe have that also, sad waste of skin.....otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to utterly destroy your complete bullshit in the manner I have, lol.
Don’t get me wrong, I love visiting the US, it has some of the most welcoming, friendliest people on the planet. But sadly it’s also infested with you types, who boast about things you were never personally involved in and relentlessly spout your complete ignorance of reality. It’s your type that makes me PRAISE THE LARD I don’t actually live there. We have free speech but we also know the importance of guarding against hate speech. As in many areas the US is rather backward in this respect.
Nobody wants socialism, sad specimen, we’re just glad we live in the kind of SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES that protect ALL their peoples. Maybe you should obtain a passport and see the benefits enjoyed by such countries, eh.....
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2bRealist Oh I see....you're an American gun nut. Smh, I PRAISE THE LARD I don't live in your gun-obsessed country! No, sad man, guns kill...that's why your country has insane murder rates. I feel sorry for your children. Anyway, back to the subject at hand (why does it always involve guns with you types, lol): no, you utter moron, it is not the same as tobacco, as tobacco has NEVER saved lives, whereas vaccines have saved countless! Why are you being this stupid as to not realise that!!! Look, sad man, unlike with tobacco, there is no proof that vaccines are harmful; will you please give me a link to prove that they are?
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Joshua Wright No, Joshua, you obviously haven’t a clue about what I’m saying, and the rubbish you are spouting is every bit as damaging to the gay community as any of the other anti-gay shit on this thread. You are trampling over the hard fought for struggles of past generations and if you ARE really gay you should be ashamed of the utter crap you have spewed forth. You are free to be open about your sexuality precisely because of the fights we went through not so long ago, and make no mistake, the haters are still out there waiting for their chance. I don’t bother with Pride any more, been there, done it and now leave it to the young ‘uns. But all the ones I’ve attended have been wonderful joyous days of celebration, not just for what gays have achieved, but for our straight friends and families who attend and have a great time. Yes, young ignorant fool, they still ARE relevant, as the many bigoted haters on this thread show. You know nothing and are appeasing the very people who are against lgbt of any kind. Please EDUCATE yourself before spouting utter crap.
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Ding Dong Cork it, Ding? CORK IT?!? Hell no; Ffs, what a pathetic clown you are! well done for confirming what I suspected: you’re a waste of skin, unworthy of the title ‘human being’: what in your tiny brain would make you possibly believe I could learn anything from that disgusting piece of shit Dinesh D’Souza??? Hell, even the right wingers in the Conservative Political Action Conference can’t stomach him! Why do you support this far right religious nutter and conspiracy theorist, who MOCKED the survivors of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in a series of tweets? He is a vile creep, and so are you for even mentioning his name. Make no mistake, creep, I have nothing but utter contempt for such as you, who repeat the mantras of their rich masters in the hope they will be thrown some crumbs: you are fools. ‘Cork it’, sad person......REALLY?
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Jamie Owns Jeezus, you’re a miserable lying twat! I for one can relate personal experience of how wonderful our NHS is....a true wonder of the modern world.
Eighteen months ago went to my doctor with mild pain in abdomen, one of tests was PSA for prostate cancer, came back with high reading so went through more tests, inc. MRI’s, ultrasound, biopsies, etc. culminating in a diagnosis of early stage cancer in March of last year. Shortly after a four hour prostatectomy followed by aftercare treatment. AND ALL BRILLIANT SERVICE!!!
Do you know how much this wonderful service cost me at time of use? Zero pounds zero pence! I could not, imo, have received better treatment. So fuck right off with your ignorant claims.....time after time you have shown yourself to be a pathetic joke.
NO OTHER COUNTRY wants the disgusting US system, stupid fuckwit.
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