Comments by "Barrie Rodliffe" (@barrierodliffe4155) on "V Bombers - Vulcan, Victor u0026 Valiant - The Last British Bombers" video.

@stevenmassey7586 Did you notice that the intended replacements for the B 52 have all failed,
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@jasonclarke6194 Britain achieved more accurate bombing at night than USA did during the day, why do you think Britain could drop a single 14,000 lb bomb right on the target while USA had trouble getting within a mile of the intended target?
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@stevenmassey7586 Is the B2 a replacement for the B 52? If it is meant to be then it is a failure.
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@stevenmassey7586 How can anyone compare a bomber that only just exists? all 20 of them. Hard to name anything that is as obsolete as the B 52.
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@jasonclarke6194 Yet the RAF missed less at night than the USAAF did during the day unless it was a cloudless day. Having given examples of very accurate night bombing from high altitude which you are trying to ignore . How many Lancaster's or Halifax's did it take to drop 12,600 tons of bombs? Far less than the number of B 17's. An outstandingly successful attack was made on the railway centre at Giessen on the night of 6 December. After two hundred Lancasters had been over in clear weather, craters studded the marshalling yards, engine sheds were wrecked, and other buildings destroyed; three weeks later the marshalling yards were still completely out of action. Notice this was at night in clear weather. in perfect conditions the USAAF could manage 26 % within the target boundaries, in partly cloudy conditions just 12 % and in cloudy conditions just 5 %, the RAF night bombing average was 16%. The big difference is the RAF could and did achieve better results at night than the USAAF in daytime unless it was cloud free in daytime, the RAF average includes cloudy nights.
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@jasonclarke6194 Our apples were better than your apples. The Lancaster had a normal bomb load of 14,000 lbs which it carried faster and further than the B 17 with a bomb load of 4,500 lbs. the Lancaster could drop a single bomb or several heavy bombs and land them on target or close to it, the B 17 could carry a number of small bombs and most would miss. Our carpet bombing was over a smaller area than your carpet bombing.
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@user-ky6vw5up9m The RAF squadron with the 4th highest number of kills was 303 squadron, the top 3 were British RAF squadrons.
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@jasonclarke6194 I only just saw your reply, I wonder if you know about the raids on dams which were at night and very accurate. Or Transport. An outstandingly successful attack was made on the railway centre at Giessen on the night of 6 December. After two hundred Lancasters had been over in clear weather, craters studded the marshalling yards, engine sheds were wrecked, and other buildings destroyed; three weeks later the marshalling yards were still completely out of action. What about the canals? The reconstruction was completed by 21 November and on that day the canal was being filled with water. The same night 228 RAF bombers attacked again, scoring at least four direct hits on the aqueduct and breaching the embankment on both sides of the safety gates. Or oil production Bomber Command entered the oil campaign with an initial list of ten synthetic plants in the Ruhr. Here in the past few months the Americans had sustained fairly heavy casualties from flak, and the accuracy of their daylight attacks had been considerably reduced by the ever-present industrial haze; however, it was hoped that Bomber Command, with its new navigational aids, would be able to overcome this obstacle even though its attacks would be launched at night. The first RAF attack took place on the night of 12 June when some three hundred aircraft were sent to bomb the Nordstern plant at Gelsenkirchen, one of the largest in Germany. Bombing on markers dropped by Oboe-equipped pathfinders was very effective and photographic reconnaissance revealed widespread damage over the entire area of the plant. Most of the subsequent attacks were equally successful and by the end of September British crews had dropped 12,600 tons of bombs on all ten of their allotted targets.
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@jasonclarke6194 It was not the USAAF, RAF Lancasters had to fly at exactly 60 feet above the water and at the right speed release the spinning bombs at exactly the right time at night. Very accurate and precise. For the oil targets the USAAF dropped a bigger tonnage than the RAF and for accuracy in perfect conditions the USAAF could manage 26 % within the target boundaries, in partly cloudy conditions just 12 % and in cloudy conditions just 5 %, the RAF night bombing average was 16%. German industry was not significantly affected by attacks on oil targets as coal was its primary source of energy. And in its analysis of strategic bombing as a whole the USSBS identified the consequences of the breakdown of transportation resulting from attacks against transportation targets as "probably greater than any other single factor" in the final collapse of the German economy. An example of the difficulties of precision bombing was a raid in the Northern Hemisphere summer of 1944 by 47 B-29's on Japan's Yawata Steel Works from bases in China. Only one plane actually hit the target area, and only with one of its bombs. This single 500 lb (230 kg) general-purpose bomb represented one quarter of one percent of the 376 bombs dropped over Yawata on that mission. It took 108 B-17 bombers, crewed by 1,080 airmen, dropping 648 bombs to guarantee a 96 percent chance of getting just two hits inside a 400 x 500 ft (150 m) German power-generation plant.
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@jasonclarke6194 2,000 Lancasters equals 12,500 tons while it would take 7,000 B 17's and 95 % would have missed in fact at night they would not have found the right city, probably not the right country.
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@jasonclarke6194 I gave you examples but you did not seem to understand so not my problem, I said RAF night bombing was more accurate than USAAF day bombing. The RAF carried out many daylight bombing raids which were very accurate, the Lancaster attack on the Tirpitz was in daylight and without a fighter escort . Not only very accurate but with low losses.
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@jasonclarke6194 Facts which you know nothing about. I see no reason to do the work for you, it is not hard to look up and I have given where and when the bombing occurred. I do not play video games little boy.
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@jasonclarke6194 Day fighters could reach 35,000 feet fast enough, night fighters are rather different. RAF night bombing was accurate. Almost identical being faster carrying a bigger bomb load further and the slightly different missions being things like the Tirpitz, dams, viaducts, canals, submarine pens etc. that the B 17 could not do much about. I am just truthful, maybe try it some time.
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@danzervos7606 USA called carpet bombing precision bombing. 600 dead Canadians show the accuracy of US bombing. You and ground mapping radar. it was Britain who gave you radar along with so much else. wasn't it the terrible losses of the B 17 that caused the USAAF to stop all bombing beyond the range of Spitfires. Night bombing was effective and low losses until the Luftwaffe managed to get enough night fighters then the RAF countered that and losses went down. the worst losses of any bomber mission were by the USAAF who stopped for some time, the RAF never stopped.
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@TheHamiltonRacing B 52's only in service because of the failure of any replacement.
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@user-ky6vw5up9m 303 the 4th most successful squadron.
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Somarik Green 303 was the top scoring Hurricane squadron but the top 3 were Spitfire squadrons. no shame in being 4th and maybe the advantage of training while other pilots fought and somewhat blunted the Luftwaffe would be an advantage, I go to a quote by a Luftwaffe fighter group, Every day we saw another seat empty, we were disheartened and felt we were being blamed, or another comment by a Luftwaffe fighter pilot we were down to just 2 of our original number. To go to an RAF pilot who said that unlike early in the Battle the Luftwaffe fighter pilots are staying up and not coming down to fight except for occasionally making a high speed pass and then climbing back up to a safe height which made the job of shooting down the bombers much easier .
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@jasonclarke6194 The many targets included submarine pens, bridges, viaducts, canals and more, most of these the USAAF could not hit. Then there was the Tirpitz although that was bombed during the day. Other British bombing included single buildings within a city, The USAAF found out that even a city could be a hard target, they managed to hit the wrong country a few times. You are right it was 12,000 lbs the Tall Boy, my error was because the normal Lancaster bomb load was up to 14,000 lbs.
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@jasonclarke6194 The RAF carried out day and night bombing, many very accurate missions being with Tall Boy or Grand Slam, 12,000 lbs and 22,000 lbs which were dropped from about 18,000 feet. The USAAF similar aircraft could not even carry one of either. The USAAF had tried to destroy viaducts with no success, they had tried to bomb submarine pens, they never tried to bomb a single house or building in the middle of a town.
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@jasonclarke6194 The B 17 might take 6,000 lbs but not for 2,000 miles. the B 17 G 8,000 lbs but only for very short range missions, 4,500 lbs for 800 miles. All those guns in the B 17 were dead weight, they could not go far without a fighter escort. as for anti aircraft fire the B 17 did not go high enough to be sure of escaping. Any Luftwaffe fighter could easily go higher than 35,000 feet.
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@jasonclarke6194 I gave facts which you seem completely unable to understand.
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@jasonclarke6194 If you say so then I guess you are
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@jasonclarke6194 I see that you keep on replying. having given up with your arguments.
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@danzervos7606 With US accuracy the wrong city is quite likely to get flattened.
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@danzervos7606 The B 1 is unable to perform as it was originally intended and very pricey. The B 2 all 20 of them. They are unable to take over from the old obsolete B 52, I call that a fail.
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@danzervos7606 The old B 52's only kept in service well past their use by date need new engines. The USAAF in Europe could not knock out bridges, canals, viaducts, U boat pens or many other targets which required accurate bombing. The RAF did that the so called precision bombing by the USAAF was lucky to hit the right city and sometimes not the right country. There was a saying in Germany at the time. We bomb and the British duck, Britain bombs and we duck, USA bombs and everyone ducks. The Washington was retired very quickly because it was not much use. We got the excellent Canberra and guess what USA did? they bought the Canberra too.
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@danzervos7606 Great success? It was meant to be a high speed bomber reduced to a low speed and obsolete. The few B 2's have had great success? doing bugger all.
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@danzervos7606 Afghanistan had a great powerful airforce didn't it? The US has done such a good job there haven't they? The few B 1's and then there were a few B 2's and some B 52's. It was a fair distance but no record for long range bombing.
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@danzervos7606 Like the fact the B 1 was so expensive it was cancelled then resurrected but to save money made very inferior. The B 2 so expensive they only made 20 of them. Nothing i say is wrong.
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