Comments by "Valen Ron" (@valenrn8657) on "Is Stealth Useless?" video.

  1. HeavyLikesSandwich, Who said F-35 has to travel at speed of sound during stealth mode? Hint: refer to submarine's go slow/go quiet tactics.
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  2. F-35s already has higher unit numbers when compared to Rafale total numbers.
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  3. 迪克, A power pole size missile hitting F-35I which still flies normally makes F-35's armor superior to A-10, LOL. Think about it. The bird strike F-35 is NOT destroyed and it's still flying normally.. Israel doesn't need F-35 on bombing Syria.
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  4. Stealth is not a cloaking device.
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  5. http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/ Iranian ground radar tracked and gave directions to Iranian F4s to intercept U.S. MQ-1 drone flying in international airspace off Iran, but Iran didn't know about the drone's F22 escort. "By international law, the notion of a country's sovereign airspace corresponds with the maritime definition of territorial waters as being 12 nautical miles (22.2 km) out from a nation's coastline." Iran has 1L13 "Nebo" VHF radar, Kolchuga (VHF, UHF and SHF), Matla-ul-fajr (VHF), Gamma Radar (low frequency band), Vostok radar (VHF) and other radars, and it didn't detect F22 threat.
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  6. Internetbutthurt http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/07/next-eight-raaf-f-35as-on-track-for-2018-delivery/ Meanwhile, to date the RAAF’s AU-1 and -2 have flown almost 1,100 flight hours in 700 sorties, Over said. They’re flying at about the utilisation rate that a mature weapon system like F-16s or F-18s are returning at_ So the airplanes have really been performing remarkably well”_ Australia only has F-35A Block 3I Lot 6 and Block 3F Lot 9/10. JSF partner countries are not interested with US's Block 2B F-35s. Block 2B F-35s are not export units.
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  7. 迪克 http://aktivnyye.com/t/20160120-southfront.html southfront_org: Kremlin disinfo production unit Southfront's F-35I being hit is bullshit i.e. http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/did-russian-missile-really-hit-israeli-f-35-22926 The bird strike F-35I still flies normally. https://www.timesofisrael.com/storks-hit-f-35-sending-stealth-jet-to-garage/ A power pole size missile hitting F-35I which still flies normally makes F-35's armor superior to A-10, LOL. Btw, SU-30SM crashed after a bird strike, https://theaviationist.com/2018/05/03/russian-su-30sm-crashes-in-syria-both-pilots-dead/
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  8. Saddam's Iraq doesn't have 1950s era radar.
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  9. Thomas ohanashaun, Stealth is not a cloaking device and it only reduces enemy radar's effective detection/tracking/lock-on range. Stealth aircraft tactics are similar to submarine's stealth combat approach.
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  10. Greeny202a, Hyper-sonic speeds also generates large IR signature.
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  11. Internetbutthurt, washingtonspectator.org are idiots. Hyper-sonic speeds also generates large IR signature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_Technology_Vehicle_2 US has a successful hyper-sonic glide vehicle prototype, but it doesn't solve the large IR generation i.e. air friction.
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  12. 迪克 Lockheed's year 2010 stealth materials Lockheed Martin Corporation's year 2010 stealth fiber material patent http://www.google.com/patents/US20100271253#v=onepage&q&f=false SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION In some aspects, embodiments disclosed herein relate to a radar absorbing composite that includes a (CNT)-infused fiber material disposed in at least a portion of a matrix material. The composite is capable of absorbing radar in a frequency range from between about 0.10 Megahertz to about 60 Gigahertz. The CNT-infused fiber material forms a first layer that reduces radar reflectance and a second layer that dissipates the energy of the absorbed radar. Lockheed Martin reveals F-35 Lot 4 and above features carbon nanotube (CNT) reinforced polymer (CNRP) material structures http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-martin-reveals-f-35-to-feature-nanocomposite-357223/ Try again.
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  13. ArsArma, southfront_org's argument is stupid.
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  14. fassenkugel, FALSE, US inherited "old world" geopolitics after WW2 from UK. After WW2, US has inherited UK's foreign policy on pro-Saudi, anti-Russia and followed France's foreign policy on Vietnam. Russia has it's own "frozen wars" in Georgia and Moldavia. Saddam's Iraq has invaded Kuwait hence US target on Saddam. Middle East structure was the result of Ottoman Empire fighting the western allies with France and UK sliced up Middle East into their current borders while factoring Turkey's anti-Kurds interest and rewarding Saudi. US support for the Kurds marks a departure from UK's foreign policy that factored in Turkey's anti-Kurds. After WW1, US wasn't involve with France/UK's post-Ottoman Empire's breakup.
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  15. Too bad for your argument that both Rafale and EuroFighter's optical/IRST didn't work against F-35 in 2017's Atlantic Trident exercise. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/f-35-overwhelming-superiority-over-rafale-and-eurofighter-in-atlantic-trident.523986/ The F-35A's overwhelming superiority has been recorded in some of the most epic air combat in NATO history when the USAF fighter met for the Atlantic Trident (April 12-18), French Rafale fighters and British Eurofighter Typhoon F-35 wasn't even Block 4 with Meteor missile support. Japan's and UK's F-35s has Meteor missiles. In a real war, US stealth fighters wouldn't be flying without missile drone spamming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n977G1_r2yU?
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  16. John Johnson, Saddam used WMDs on the Kurds and Iran... guess who supplied these WMDs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against_Iran Saddam made himself a target after Iraq invaded Kuwait. Saddam wouldn't be a target If Iraq hasn't invaded Kuwait. When Saudi's requested to remove Saddam, He is gone. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bush,_House_of_Saud Saddam's Iraq was a proxy against Iran.
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  17. 90AlmostFamous, Dedicated stealth scout plane doesn't solve ageing F-16A and F-16C's service life hours.
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  18. Internetbutthurt, F-35A has internal weapons bay JSM (cruise missile) with 185 Km (low/low/low profile) to 555 Km (hi/hi/low profile) range depending on flight profile.
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  19. Martin Miljkovic, Counter claims from US side is Syria's defences didn't materially effect US's missile strike goals. Hint: cheap missile drones.
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  20. yfelwulf, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/14/allies-dispute-russian-and-syrian-claims-of-shot-down-missiles Allies dispute Russian and Syrian claims of shot-down missiles. Fck your Jew argument. UK has anti-Russia position since Russian expansion in Crimea in the 1780s at the expense of Ottoman ally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#Relations_1553%E2%80%931792 Furthermore, it's the Russians who followed Jew Karl Marx's Communism.
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  21. yfelwulf , Bullshit. Factoring drone when both red team and blue team has contradictory claims.
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  22. It wasn't an embarrassment for the USA due to following points 1. Yugoslavia was dismantled. 2. The purpose for building more than one F-117 unit is for increase sortie rates and war of attrition. F-35 was designed for very high unit numbers.
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  23. Normal car manufactures doesn't have access to stealth materials.
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  24. Internetbutthurt, the main reason for subsonic speed is to minimize IR.
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  25. Different Radar Wavelengths also has different targeting resolution accuracy. F-35 doesn't fully relies on shaping for its stealth.
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  26. shareofhonor, US was near-super power before it replaced British Pound. US's WW2 activity was mostly funded by Americans via war bonds.
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  27. Leroy 1220, Iraqis Abrams doesn't have DU armour or active defence (licensed from Israel).
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  28. shareofhonor, China was aided by US with destruction of Imperial Japan's raw materials supplies in South East Asia. In modern times, Japan and Australia has defence pact with material supply agreement for Japan. CPTTP (effectively replacing Japan's co-prosperity sphere with aid of six Commonwealth countries) Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam. The total combined gross domestic product of the CPTPP would be $11.5 trillion or 11.4 percent of global GDP. CPTTP has 11 Pacific ocean countries with $11.5 Trillion GDP market with Japan, Canada, Australia and Mexico as it's major economies. South Korea joins CPTTP in June 2018, hence making CPTTP a $12.911 Trillion GDP market size block UK is interested joining CPTTP after Brexit, hence creating about $14.8 Trillion GDP market. EU's GDP minus UK has about $14.54 Trillion GDP market. Australia, Canada, Malaysia, New Zealand, Brunei and Singapore are already part of British Commonwealth countries. China has 12 Trillion GDP (IMF 2017) For CPTTP's resource poor South Korea and Japan, Canada, Mexico and Australia would be raw materials powers.
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  29. Leroy 1220, Iraqi Abrams are missing active soft kill defence.
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  30. Pierre Stöber, you're a hypocrite. USSR preserved thier half of Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. The proxy wars that the Soviet fought in the past decades were all imperialist wars that were about maintaining Soviet hegemony.
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  31. Pierre Stöber, 1. 1914 Russian land area is largest in the world. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/7f/83/ac7f8340b6ce6a191bb8b1bcb8d36ad8.jpg Most of Imperial Russia' land area are still intact for Russian Federation. 2. USSR entity is gone, but Soviet era Putin is still alive.
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  32. Actually, weaker US dollar makes US exporters competitive.
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  33. shareofhonor During pre-WW2, Imperial Japan is resource poor and most of it's military material investments was geared towards the navy which is similar UK's navy bias military spending. To repeating the same mistakes, modern Japan made a deal instead with Australia and Canada. Most of Nazi Germany's military material investments was geared towards land armies. Nazi Germany's large land army is useless against UK's Royal navy! USA production is more than 4 times since US was only nation to mass produced aircraft carriers. Germany Tiger I tank's 1,347 units x 44 tons = 59,268 tons Tiger II tank has 492 units x 68 tons = 33,456 tons Panther tank has 6000 units x 44 tons = 264,000 tons Panzer IV has 8,553 unit x 25 tons = 213,825 tons Total: 570549 tons Czech's Panzer 38(t) has 1414 units x 10 tons = 14140 tons USA M26 tanks has 2,212 units x 44 tons = 97,328 tons M26 has 90 mm gun. M4 tanks has 49,234 units x 33 tons = 1,624,722, Russian T34 tanks has similar number. M10 tank destroyer has 6,406 units x 29 tons = 185,774 tons M18 tank destroyer has 2,507 units x 39 tons = 97,773 tons M36 tank destroyer has 2,324 units x 29 tons = 67,396 tons M36 has 90 mm gun. Sub-Total: 2,072,993 tons M4 Sherman Firefly (UK) has 2,200 units x 35 tons = 77,000 tons. Firefly takes on Tiger I and Panther tanks. US has both quality (M26) and numbers (M4). Significant amount of US Army's tonnage was against German army. US has the following aircraft carrier production 24 Essex-class fleet carriers with 90 to 110 aircraft each. 650,400 tons for Essex-class. 21 Commencement Bay class with 228,900 tons 50 Casablanca-class with 390,000 tons. 45 Bogue-class with 747,900 tons 3 Yorktown-class fleet carriers with 59,400 tons Sub-Total: 3,798,645 tons Modern day USN aircraft carrier tonnage is just about 1,460,000 tons. Significant amount of USN's tonnage was against Japanese navy. WW2 UK has similar aircraft carrier builds as Imperial Japan i.e. around 10 to 11 units. Not including UK, US and Canada other surface combat ships e.g. destroyers, heavy cruisers, battleships and 'etc'. Grand Total: 5,871,638 tons For US, that's already 10.3X times over Germany's iron/steel tonnage extract/production. WW2 Russian navy is small. WW2 German navy is small. Both Canada and USA has the advantage of the entire North American continent on raw metal and oil resources. European mainland is raw resource poor, hence the reason for Hitler wanting Russian lands.
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  34. NICHOLAS WAMAANI US oil is cheap within the US. Poland is buying US LNG. Read https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/us-oil-exports-boom-to-record-level-surpassing-most-opec-nations.html
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  35. US was near super power before US dollar dominance i.e. US has enough population size, rich in raw metals and oil.
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  36.  Advocatus Diaboli  US interest in the middle east is mainly for the European's oil issue, hence France's Macron claims US under Trump is less reliable partner after Trump's Syria pull out announcement while French contribution on bombing ISIS targets was significantly less than the US effort, hypocrisy from the Europeans. Reference https://www.thelocal.fr/20181223/french-president-says-an-ally-must-be-reliable-after-us-syria-pullout-announcement
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  37.  @wamnicho  US's and Canada's oil are cheap, but transporting oil from US to EU adds cost. US and Canada needs to build an oil pipe to into north-west UK.
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  38. This is why F-117A was built in multiple units i.e. any war has attrition factors. F-35 was designed to built in larger numbers with a single engine hot core instead of two engine hot cores (F-18's GE F404 without afterburner) in F-117A.
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  39. Ricky V, False with B2 shoot-down since B2 tail numbers are accounted for.
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  40. Mr11ESSE111 Israel keeps on bombing Syria regardless of S400 installations.
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  41. Biker Dash, F-35A replaces F-16C's CAS roles. Mk1 eye ball are garbage for missile lock-on.
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  42. NATO-EU countries with F-35s are Italy (replace Harrier), Netherlands (replace F-16A), Norway (F-16A), UK (replace Harrier and Tornado) and Denmark (replace F-16A). EU countries interests for F-35 are Spain (replace Harriers), Belgium (replace F-16A) and Finland (replace F-18C). EU's F-35s are manufactured in Italy. F-16 Block 70s and Super Hornets are for export outside the "Eyes" group. Canada perhaps waiting for F-35A Block 5/6 with 10 percent thrust engine upgrade i.e. TWR similar to F-15C.
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  43. Nate Downes Without stealth, it's another SAM vs non-stealth Vietnam level exchange ratios. In Yugoslavia war, F-117A's exchange ratio is superior to non-stealth fighter exchange ratio
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  44. Matty mo, F-35A encapsulates Super Hornet's dogfight capabilities with extra power while F-22A combines both Super Hornet and F-15C dogfight capabilities. Without stealth, both F-35A and F-22A reverts to their 4th gen counterpart's roles.
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  45. 90AlmostFamous, USAF's F-16C are reaching their service life hours limits, hence the F-35A replacement. F-16C replacement could have been F-16 Block 70 or F-2 or F-35A Block 3F just as F-16C replaced F-16A. USAF's 6th gen program kicks in when F-15C or F-15E reaches near their service life hours limits.
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  46. wazza33racer Wars are not fought by being fair. "Given that S-400 and S-500 are designed to intercept said stand off cruise missiles" claim means nothing when targets are bombed.
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  47.  @greeny202ab  https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/5/18530089/us-air-force-research-laboratory-shield-laser-weapons-system-test The US Air Force successfully tested a laser system to shoot down missiles Try again
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  48.  @Sub___Zero  Prove it.
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  49. @Anon emous Proven useless in Israel vs Syria. Israel keeps bombing Syria.
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  50.  @prabhatdubey1029  J-31 is not F-35 nor F-22. F-35 Block 1 is not stealth.
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  51.  @ГеоргийМурзич  F-22 has RAM upgrades.
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  52. Stealth aircraft wouldn't be operating alone i.e. cheap missile drone spamming.
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  53. Rolling Thunder If you read http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/666042.pdf at page 25 shows the breakdown for $916.3 billion (JPO) or 1020 billion (CAPE) estimate $916.3 / 56 years = $16.36 billion per year. $1020.3 / 56 years = $18.21 billion per year. F-35's $1 Trillion price tag is over 56 years and +1700 unit fleet. https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320 "The Air Force requested $10.3 billion for 70 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft" for FY 2018.
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  54. Atlantic Trident 2017 says Hi... Note why French/Germans has 5th gen programs via Airbus. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/f-35-overwhelming-superiority-over-rafale-and-eurofighter-in-atlantic-trident.523986/ The F-35A's overwhelming superiority has been recorded in some of the most epic air combat in NATO history when the USAF fighter met for the Atlantic Trident (April 12-18), French Rafale fighters and British Eurofighter Typhoon It was impressed that neither Eurofighter's IRST system was useful, as the F-35's shots were out of range. In the exercises, F-15E fighters took part with the Red forces and they had the same luck. Greek lobby group is pushing US Congress to halt Turkey's F-35 shipments.
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  55. Wrong with sound cancellation.
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  56. jack black, F-35's stealth is for combat stealth (radar lock-on quality) not being another F-117A. "Strategic microphones" can be fooled and spammed.
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  57. jack black, When compared to water, air is a poor medium in moving sound wave.
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  58. I'll be Frank I'm Leary about using my name, Lockheed Martin Corporation's year 2010 stealth fiber material patent http://www.google.com/patents/US20100271253#v=onepage&q&f=false SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION In some aspects, embodiments disclosed herein relate to a radar absorbing composite that includes a (CNT)-infused fiber material disposed in at least a portion of a matrix material. The composite is capable of absorbing radar in a frequency range from between about 0.10 Megahertz to about 60 Gigahertz . The CNT-infused fiber material forms a first layer that reduces radar reflectance and a second layer that dissipates the energy of the absorbed radar.
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  59. I'll be Frank I'm Leary about using my name, F-35A's mach 1.6 has 1200 Mph attached to it. "Speed (full internal weapons load) Mach 1.6 (~1,200 mph)" http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/478441/f-35a-lightning-ii-conventional-takeoff-and-landing-variant.aspx https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-006-DFRC.html F/A-18 has Mach 1.8 ( 1190 mph ). Speed of sound is not a constant https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/WindTunnel/Activities/knots_vs_mph.html Refer to I.C.A.O. Standard Atmosphere table. Altitude (relates to air density) vs speed of sound example sea level = 761 MPH 10000 feet = 734 MPH 20000 feet = 701 MPH 30000 feet = 678 MPH 40000 feet = 660 MPH 50000 feet = 660 MPH Using NASA's speed of sound for F/A-18, F-35's 1200 mph yields mach 1.815. LM is using about 10,000 feet's 734 MPH speed of sound. Using 40,000 ft's 660 Mph speed of sound yields mach 1.81 i.e. 1200 Mph / 660 Mph = 1.81 https://web.archive.org/web/20170804135017/http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/ With canard surfaces installed, max Mach speed without external ordnance and stores is 1.9 .
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  60. FirstToken, F-35 is part of Aegis ABM sensor node hence has the potential shoot down S400's missile with it's own missile. http://www.defensetech.org/2015/01/22/navy-to-integrate-f-35-with-beyond-the-horizon-technology/ Linking Aegis combat system with F-35. https://news.vice.com/article/us-defense-secretary-announces-navy-can-blow-up-anything-it-wants-any-time-it-wants A test SM missile was fired from USN Aegis ship and track/target data driven by F-35. http://www.govexec.com/defense/2017/12/newly-revealed-experiment-shows-how-f-35-could-help-intercept-icbms/144372/ F-35's (EO-DAS) sensors can guided U.S. Navy’s anti-ballistic missile or U.S. Army’s Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) missile battery. F-35 is a flying Aegis compatible SAM site that doesn't need it's nose to be pointed at the target. F-35 was designed against SAMs.
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  61. It depends on the range between attacking aircraft and enemy radar. Stealth only reduces enemy radar's effective detection/tracking/lock-on range.
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  62. F-35's stealth is not just coatings.
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  63. In a real war, US stealth fighters wouldn't be flying without missile drone spamming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n977G1_r2yU
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  64. Lockheed's year 2010 stealth materials Lockheed Martin Corporation's year 2010 stealth fiber material patent http://www.google.com/patents/US20100271253#v=onepage&q&f=false SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION In some aspects, embodiments disclosed herein relate to a radar absorbing composite that includes a (CNT)-infused fiber material disposed in at least a portion of a matrix material. The composite is capable of absorbing radar in a frequency range from between about 0.10 Megahertz to about 60 Gigahertz. The CNT-infused fiber material forms a first layer that reduces radar reflectance and a second layer that dissipates the energy of the absorbed radar. Lockheed Martin reveals F-35 Lot 4 and above features carbon nanotube (CNT) reinforced polymer (CNRP) material structures http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-martin-reveals-f-35-to-feature-nanocomposite-357223/ B-2 can not be used as an example for stealth material's durability for F-35.
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  65. 777Outrigger, Critics thinks F-35 would be in afterburner mode into the conflict zone when F-35's stealth combat tactics are similar to a submarine's go quiet/go slow approach.
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  66. F-35s wouldn't be fighting alone e.g. cheap missile drone spamming. F-35's lower RCS enhances cheap missile drone spamming effectiveness.
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  67. Internetbutthurt, F-22 vs EF? Where's the kill ratio?
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  68. Elthenar https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/28/red-flag-confirmed-f-35-dominance-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/ At Red Flag 17-1 the F-35A also included additional roles previously reserved for air superiority aircraft like the F-15C Eagle and heavy strike capability from large bombers while even performing “light AWACS” duties. F-35A Block 3I taking over F-15C's air superiority role in Red Flag 2017. https://web.archive.org/web/20170804135017/http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/ SU-30MK empty weight estimate from OEM 24900 Kg - (2 x 105 Kg + 2 x 253 Kg + 5270 kg) = 18914 kg or 41698 lbs Select a desired combat range and load SU-30MK with fuel load and calculate the effective wing loading. Basic wing loading empty weight without factoring forward/rear body and vortex lift factors. Fuel and weapons load can change with different missions. F-16C Block 50 Empty Weight: 18,900 lbs Wing area: 300 ft² Wing loading: 63 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.51 : 1 F-18E Empty Weight: 31,500 lbs Wing area: 500 ft² Wing loading: 63 lbs/ sq feet. (minimium turn radius dogfighter) Thrust weight ratio: 1.40 : 1 SU-30MK Empty Weight: 41,698 lbs Wing area: 667 ft² Wing loading: 62.51 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.33 : 1 F-35A Empty weight: 28,999 lbs (Year 2015). Wing area: 460 ft² Wing loading: 63.04 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.48 : 1 SU-35 http://www.flightjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SUKHOI.pdf Empty Weight: 40,565 lbs (no reference) Wing area: 667 ft² Wing loading: 60.82 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.42 : 1 (29000 lbf for each engine) F-15C Empty Weight: 28,000 lbs Wing area: 608 ft² Wing loading: 46 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.70 : 1 (high energy dogfighter) F-35A with Option Block 1 engine upgrade Empty weight: 28,999 lb (Year 2015). Wing area: 460 ft² Wing loading: 63.04 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.57 : 1 ( 6 percent thrust upgrade) Thrust weight ratio: 1.63 : 1 (10 percent thrust upgrade) After engine upgrade, F-35A restores it's high energy dogfight capabilities.
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  69. DaniëlWW2 https://web.archive.org/web/20170804135017/http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/ SU-30MK empty weight estimate from OEM 24900 Kg - (2 x 105 Kg + 2 x 253 Kg + 5270 kg) = 18914 kg or 41698 lbs Select a desired combat range and load SU-30MK with fuel load and calculate the effective wing loading. Basic wing loading empty weight without factoring forward/rear body and vortex lift factors. Fuel and weapons load can change with different missions. F-16C Block 50 Empty Weight: 18,900 lbs Wing area: 300 ft² Wing loading: 63 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.51 : 1 F-18E Empty Weight: 31,500 lbs Wing area: 500 ft² Wing loading: 63 lbs/ sq feet. (minimium turn radius dogfighter) Thrust weight ratio: 1.40 : 1 SU-30MK Empty Weight: 41,698 lbs Wing area: 667 ft² Wing loading: 62.51 lbs/ sq feet. <----- Flankers not high energy dogfighter. Thrust weight ratio: 1.33 : 1 <----- Flankers not high energy dogfighter. Thrust vectoring improves rear stabiliser's functions F-35A Empty weight: 28,999 lbs (Year 2015). Wing area: 460 ft² Wing loading: 63.04 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.48 : 1 SU-35 http://www.flightjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SUKHOI.pdf Empty Weight: 40,565 lbs (no reference) Wing area: 667 ft² Wing loading: 60.82 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.42 : 1 (29000 lbf each engine) F-15C Empty Weight: 28,000 lbs Wing area: 608 ft² Wing loading: 46 lbs/ sq feet. (low wing loading dog-fighter) Thrust weight ratio: 1.70 : 1 (high energy dog-fighter) F-35A with Option Block 1 engine upgrade Empty weight: 28,999 lb (Year 2015). Wing area: 460 ft² Wing loading: 63.04 lbs/ sq feet. Thrust weight ratio: 1.57 : 1 ( 6 percent thrust upgrade) Thrust weight ratio: 1.63 : 1 (10 percent thrust upgrade) Note why Australia applied F-35A being Super Hornet with extra power.
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  70. Luca Fuoco, Super Hornet's size is nearly F-15C. My basic wing loading doesn't include Super Hornet's wide/long LERX nor can'ted twin tails for extra lift. All 4th gen aircraft has body lift designs. Boeing is offering engine upgrades for Super Hornet i.e. blame USN. USN is funding engine upgrade for F-35 instead.
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  71. Elthenar Read Tailgate's post on F-14 vs F-18 vs F-16 vs Rafale http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=6094&p=385233 Tailgate forum member is a current pilot for F-16C BK40/50s, F-15C, F-22A. Quoting Tailgate I don't know about other drivers on this board....but the F-14 was not an ACM platform. I've flown against them in 15A/C's and 16 40/50's and the 14 simply was outperformed by both. I can say this with a little pride and ego...I have never lost to a Tomcat in ACM/BFM. It simply was outmatched by either airframe. What it could do was "kill" you from a long way off. The Hornet is a much more difficult foe and unfortunately I cannot stake the same claim as above....lol I have flown against Typhoons and Rafale's in Red Flags(F-22). I am confident to say that both those airframes would have had no issues dealing with Tomcats. There is a reason they were retired. ---------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3b-b762QRY Super Hornet's high AoA+minimum turn radius advantage vs F-15's sustain turn rate advantage dogfight example.
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  72. yfelwulf, Prove "Russian missiles can take these out hundreds of Km away". Again, tell Putin to remove nuclear first strike option.
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  73. Blackhawk's stealth coating is old.
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  74. S.R.T Detection is different from lock-on quality.
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  75. S.R.T. stealth RAM are not made in the same quality. USAF General Hostage claimed USAF's F-35A has better stealth over F-22. Export F-35's stealth may vary.
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  76. L band... has 2Ghz frequency range... Somebody is not reading LM's carbon-nano-tube based RAM patents in 2010 and F-35 Lot 4 year 2011 materiel changes.
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  77. FuRy, Northrop has similar WW2 era flying wing.
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  78. European's F-22 clone from Airbus! http://www.janes.com/article/75550/airbus-reveals-future-new-fighter-concept Eurocucks, ruskis and chicoms changes their tune when their own stealth fighters are completed.
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  79. And Yugoslavia was dismantled. The purpose for building multiple F-117A units are for "war of attrition". Stealth is just like Submarine warfare.
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  80. Rolling Thunder If you read http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/666042.pdf at page 25 shows the breakdown for $916.3 billion (JPO) or 1020 billion (CAPE) estimate $916.3 / 56 years = $16.36 billion per year. $1020.3 / 56 years = $18.21 billion per year. F-35's $1 Trillion price tag is over 56 years and +1700 unit fleet. ----- https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320 "The Air Force requested $10.3 billion for 70 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft" for FY 2018.
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  81. lairdriver http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/scary-statistic-chinas-debt-gdp-ratio-reached-257-percent-22824 According to the Bank for International Settlements, China’s debt to GDP ratio reached 257 per cent in 2017, higher than the United States’ 152 per cent China has a bad US debt addiction copy. There's nothing magical about China's rise to power... it's US style debt addiction done badly.
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  82. Prove it.
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  83. Prove it.
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  84. Amit KP, US has successful tested Hyper-sonic vehicles, but hasn't solve large IR generation from air-fiction.
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  85. That's F-35B ... it's Block 3F version is limited to 7Gs. F-35A Block 3F version has 9Gs as per F-16C's 9Gs.
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  86. And Yugoslavia was dismantled.
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  87. 迪克, 1. It's ULA's delta rocket uses Russian rocket engines. US has multiple rocket providers.
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  88. SU-37 doesn't exist beyond the prototype i.e. it's existence is on par with Active F-15 prototype. Thrust vectoring only improves rear stabiliser's functions.
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  89. David James, "Russian S-400 Destroyed an F-22 over Syria" is bullshit.
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  90.  @crak6470  Wrong https://youtu.be/3RTWnFaQfHU?list=PLG8j-n4MjuQAg6jQHX2dVOFYWuaqr5NKD&t=25 Golden Eagle bird has 145 km/h speed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_by_flight_speed F-35A and B model wings was designed with Hornet style slow speed high lift. Radar has effective detection, tracking and lock on range not just a "small bird" or "small golf ball". https://youtu.be/f85qHZqKwlQ?t=111 At 1: 55 time stamp Super Hornet's "hang and look" which is similar to cobra manoeuvre i.e. hover on it's engine thrust at very high angle of attack
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  91.  @crak6470  As an example, Zaslon-M can detect a bomber with RCS of 20 m^2 from 400 km away and track the same 20 m^2 target about 200 km away . F-22 has RCS is smaller than a bomber i.e. RCS of a metal marble. USAF F-35A's RCS is even smaller than F-22A (USAF General Michael Hostage claim) . To detect F-22A at 200km, the radar needs to detect 0.0001 m^2 object at 200 Km NOT 20 m^2 at 200 Km.
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  92.  @LitenSkada  Similar to a Hornet i.e. very slow speed. F-35B's wings was design for roll-on/roll-off STOVL from smaller aircraft carrier.
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  93.  @hexx2525  Cessna is NOT designed WITH stealth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3b-b762QRY Super Hornet's high AoA+minimum turn radius advantage holding it's own against F-15's high energy turn rate advantage dogfight example F-35A Block 3F difference from Hornet is with F-35A's superior acceleration. https://www.reddit.com/r/F35Lightning/comments/8a66ta/out_of_the_shadows_rnlaf_experiences_with_the/ Out Of The Shadows: RNLAF experiences with the F-35A - Combat Aircraft Magazine May 2018 Dutch F-35 Block 3F, "F-35 sits somewhere in between the F-16 and F/A-18 when it comes to within visual range manoeuvring'". http://nettsteder.regjeringen.no/kampfly/2015/11/20/a-fly-f-35-erfaringer-fra-den-forste-uka/ More F-16 vs F-35 from Norwegian pilot. I quote Overall, flying the F-35 reminds me a bit of flying the F/A-18 Hornet, but with an important difference: It has been fitted with a turbo http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=5525&start=1335#wrapper From GTA4's post, F-35A beating EuroFighter in acceleration.
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  94.  @zjpdarkblaze  https://theaviationgeekclub.com/iriaf-commander-reportedly-fired-after-he-kept-secret-that-israeli-f-35-stealth-fighters-had-violated-iran-airspace/ IRIAF commander reportedly fired after he kept secret that Israeli F-35 stealth fighters has violated Iran airspace. Russian S300 defence is useless.
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  95.  @hexx2525  Original source (non-English) http://suomenkuvalehti.fi/jutut/kotimaa/suomella-vahvat-ilmavoimat-mutta-kuinka-kauan/ Frisian Flag 2012 exercises in Holland, Finnish F-18Cs gets 100 kills and 6 loses against Eurofighter (Germany, UK), Polish new F-16 and older F-16 planes (Norway, Belgium) and Gripen (Swedish) Finland's F-18C has 16:1 kill ratio over Germany/UK's Eurofighter, Poland's F-16C Block 52+ and Norway/Belgium's F-16A MLU and Sweden's Gripen. Poland, Norway and Belgium has selected F-35A over losers in Finland Flag 2012.
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  96.  @mikeshramko8331  Radar detection's effectiveness changes with range.
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  97.  @Karl-Benny  Enough for Poland to not buy losers in Frisian Flag 2012 exercise. F-35 Block 4 supports both Meteor and AIM-120D.
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  98.  @mfk5533  False. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RTWnFaQfHU F-35A's post stall reversal with hover
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  99.  @tiffles3890  That's not how radar detection/tracking works. Modern stealth only reduces enemy's radar detection and tracking range. F-35 has both passive and active stealth aka Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM). There's a reason why F-35 was designed with Hornet's "phonebooth" (close range) dogfighting capability.
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  100. F-35 Lot 4 and above has carbon nano tube (CNT) fibres.
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  101. Your method doesn't break the kill chain.
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  102. Shane Rooney, Your argument was tried in Atlantic Trident 2017 with EuroCanards IRSTs.
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  103. IRST(heat) was useless in Atlantic Trident 2017. Airbus (French/German tax payer funded) has it's 5th gen program China has J-20 and J-31 5th gen program Russia has SU-57 5th gen program, India recycles SU-57 for PAK-FA. Sweden has FS 2020 5th gen program
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  104. Sorry, Yugoslavia was dismantled and F-117A's exchange ratio was superior to non-stealth.
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  105. ausairpower are fools to place F-111C with F-15 and Flankers https://youtu.be/SsUCixAeZ0A?t=418 F-111 can't out-turn F-4 Phantom 2, Eat that Air Power Australia/Carlo Kopp/Peter Goon.
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  106. They lower RCS but they are less effective when compared to hidden fan blades on F-22 or F-35.
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  107. F-35 was designed for large unit numbers for war of attrition.
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  108. SU-35 has L-band radar... Hint: LM's year 2010 stealth material patent covers this frequency band
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  109. Your post is a joke.
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  110. It's F117's excellent exchange ratio when compare to non-stealth.
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  111. Yugoslavia was dismantled. The main reason for building more than one aircraft is for war of attrition and sortie rates.
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  112. The lost of the aircraft argument means little when Yugoslavia was dismantled. At that time, you're forgetting NATO has leaky communication links that Serbs/Russia has exploited.
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  113. STC, DDG1000 was nearly useless and USN switched to Virginia class Block III with VLS. DDG1000 was a half-baked non-nuclear armed Ohio-class or Virginia class Block III submarine. USN might as well build more Colombia class (Ohio-class replacement) missile spamming submarines.
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  114. STC, F-35A Block 3F has 9Gs like any other 4th gen non-navy fighter.
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  115. F-35A Block 3F still has 9Gs unlike the other versions. F-35A Block 3I already has 28 degrees per second turn rate at 7Gs.
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  116. That's F-35B which is USMC's version not USN's F-35C
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