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Government to blame above all for low wages since 2008 and arguably way before this, obviously. Public to blame for looking the other way when they know full well of the suffering in supposedly the sixth richest economy in the world ( where is all that money? Oh, yes, it's hidden away by the rich). Most people don't want to be in a union because they only care about themselves and want the approval of their boss, and many who are members are still apathetic and do nothing. Many unions are weak and have stood by while wages have declined, which is why living standards are plummeting. Average workers in France and Germany earn £8000 more than in the UK. Watch the unions cave in with paltry pay awards that will continue to depress living standards. The TSSA has just accepted a deal that includes a no compulsory redundancy agreement until January 31, 2025, and a minimum pay rise of at least £1,750 or five per cent (whichever is greater) backdated to January 1, 2022, which it is said is worth at least seven per cent to staff earning £25,000 or less. Around seven percent- utterly ridiculous in the face of rampant inflation, which will still remain too high even if it decreases. Only two years for a no compulsory redundancy agreement. A rubbish deal. The workers will be betrayed by the union movement and have no support from the Labour Party.
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@andrewrobinson2565 Food, pharmaceuticals, sport, fashion, cosmetics, literature, film, culture, history, and so much more. France has faults and some very serious issues it has failed to tackle, such as racism on different levels and the threat of the far right, but it is a much more equal society than the UK with a strong welfare state. The French sense of stasis and decline is strong but there is far more to the country than your reductive observation.
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@aaronaaronson7600 I am not optimistic. I think the chances of improvement are close to zero because all of the main parties are committed to neoliberalism, the root cause of all the problems plaguing Britain. We live in Thatcher's Britain due to the egregious effects of her policies. Most people do not understand its pervasive impact because it is embedded so much in the fabric of society. She converted Labour from socialism and described 'new' Labour as her greatest triumph. Starmer needs to be removed as Labour leader- he is the opposite of what the party and country needs. Unless neoliberalism is reversed, there is no prospect of Britain climbing out of the sewer it is in. It is an economic basket case with an unstable, weak economy that does not work for the majority- wages are lower in real terms in 2023 than in 2008 when the financial crash occurred. Society is fractured, divided over many issues, including relations with Europe. Britain has always been right wing, except for brief interludes such as 1945-1951, but the right has won so comprehensively that it was possible to demonise the manifestos of 2017 and 2019 ( Labour) as extremist/ communist/ radical left, when in reality they were to the right of the 1945 manifesto. Most people have no idea of left from right- talk of centrism beggars belief when it is actually right wing. Austerity was even described as centrist a couple of weeks ago, which shows how far down the right wing rabbit hole the UK has tumbled. So in short, no reason for hope. That ship has sailed and it is why Corbyn has to be stopped by the establishment.
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@brynleytalbot778 Perhaps. UK productivity has been poor for forty years and policy makers have failed to address it. One of the key reasons unemployment has been relatively low in the UK ( although at least 1 million throughout the interwar years was far more controversial then) recently is that it takes two or three people to do the same work as one in France, even with the 35 hour week ( subject to some exemptions). The French approach is to work quite intensely on the task in hand without dead time and they find time for a two hour lunch. There are many reasons for low UK productivity, including lack of investment in training and skills. The education system is patently not fit for purpose, with huge numbers leaving at 16 without 5 good passes at GCSE, including Maths and English. Poor literacy and numeracy should be a national scandal but the education sector is very good at brushing its failures under the carpet and singing its own praises- no-one should arrive to secondary school unable to read and write to the expected standard unless they have special needs, which is obviously where more support is needed to help them catch up with their peers. There are major problems in education with recruitment and retention, disaffection by increasing numbers of students and a curriculum that does not accommodate the needs of the individual. I dread to think how this is going to feed into productivity in the next 15 years- it is going to be grim because the workforce is going to lack the necessary aptitude and work ethic needed to compete with other countries where attitudes to education are much better. Neither Labour or the Tories have had a proper industrial strategy for the last forty years, and Britain has floundered for a long time relative to many other nations. If the 1970s and 1980s was about the slow decline of the UK despite surface appearances to the contrary for some of the time, the economic model is in danger of imploding in the next two decades. The Germans got it right with the split between vocational and academic, whereas Britain blew the historic opportunity to chart the right course under the Butler Act 1944- the grammar schools were and are divisive, and the technical schools in the middle between grammars and secondary moderns were few and far between, and almost an afterthought.
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@keithparker1346 If it forms a government Labour will be a car crash that will invite interesting comparisons with the current one in office. Just when it seems it cannot be any worse. Johnson and then Truss proved this.Lightweight ministers in abundance parroting unsustainable mantras about sound finance, very little evidence of intellectual grasp of portfolios, lack of experience really showing in the face of un- met expectations , internal party dissension, and a much needed leadership challenge to Starmer and/ or the beginnings of the break up of the Labour Party, to borrow a phrase from the neoliberal alchemist Reagan, ' you ain't seen nothing yet'. Lordy, we are in for the mother of bad things happening very regularly in the next decade. I have been in France for a while in the summer- just in a week and a half since returning, there has been the RAAK crisis, Birmingham City Council effectively declaring itself bankrupt with more in a parlous state financially, and the escaped prison. It is surreal.
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@trevfindley Nothing at all- the answer can only be more privatisation and profiteering by the rich, disinvestment in public services, a smaller state, low tax for the rich, targeting of the unemployed and benefits claimants, scapegoating of immigrants to appease reactionary and nasty voters, lack of regulation of corporations, widening inequality, private affluence and public squalor, low productivity, the lowest pensions in Europe and lack of workers' rights. Neoliberalism is working so well under the Tories that it can only go from strength to strength under the red Tories. Not to mention the dying planet caused by neoliberalism's rampant excesses that have brought the world to the brink of no return. All good, nothing to see here, business as usual.
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@PeteH0121 Thatcherism/ neoliberalism is the cause of Britain's decline on every metric- high cost of housing in large part due to right to buy, unaffordable rents, rip off bills due to privatised utilities, austerity as a cloak to transfer wealth to the rich ( the whole purpose of the ideology, successful beyond its wildest dreams), low growth over time, the squandering of North sea oil profits instead of creating a sovereign wealth fund, lack of investment in infrastructure, failure to replace jobs lost due to industrialisation with good, stable jobs, high crime ( the acceleration in violent crime started in 1987 once the effects of Thatcherism had worked their way through society) and more. Thatcher described so called 'new Labour as her greatest achievement and was right. Countries with stronger unions that work in partnership with government have higher wages and more stable economies and a stronger, less precarious middle class. We live in Thatcher's Britain due to the egregious effects of her policies so clearly the answer must be never ending Thatcherism. Capitalism realism as the late Mark Fisher coined it- the idea that the neoliberal settlement and all its damage is the only possible iteration of capitalism.
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Make no mistake about it the current iteration of Labour is going to destroy the party once and for all. Labour has always been an accommodation between the interests of capital and labour, from the first Labour government in 1924 ( election December 1923) to more recent years. Kinnock moved the party to far to the right in the 1980s in an effort to win two elections and counteract Thatcherism, but this paved the way for Blair, after the tragic death of John Smith in 1994 ( Kinnock resigned in 1992 after losing his second election). Blair hollowed out the Labour Party, accepting the Thatcherite settlement. There is a disconnect between the party activists and the MPs ( PLP), with the activists generally to the left of the parliamentary party. Starmer has purged the left and this will, in time, mean the end of his project. Key figures from the Blair era are back on the scene pulling strings in an attempt to re-run the push for victory in 1997. The problems of today are incomparable to the nineties, far more complex and intractable in many cases. Streeting is an ambitious right winger who is from the right of the party. It is by no means certain that Labour will win the next election but even if it does it will implement the same failed neoliberal policies that have destroyed Britain since 1979.Left wing candidates are not being selected for the next election; there will be no room for debating policy under a Starmer premiership. Anyone interested in his career trajectory so far might want to read The Starmer Project, by Oliver Eagleton. The refrain that Labour is not a party of protest repeated by the right is nonsensical and designed to discredit the left. Every politician on the left has always wanted Labour in power to effect change; they are not in politics to pass the time of day. The subtext, of course, is that Labour under the grip of the right will do nothing to ameliorate the excesses of capitalism. It means the end of Labour and is a dangerous crossroads for Britain; watch the forces of populist reaction step into the vacuum created by a party that has abandoned working people to their fate under neoliberalism.
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@stevebbuk The Sheffield rally is a red herring. It had nothing to do with the defeat- it was praised at the time and not cited as an issue until after the defeat. Labour did allow itself to be distracted by talk of electoral reform. Alwyn Turner wrote an interesting short book about the 1992 election, which is probably still available. I read it a few years ago. Sam Delaney wrote a book about the role of advertising agencies in elections ( forgotten its name), which makes the point that Labour advertising executives knew the Tories had won earlier in 1992 when the 'Labour's tax bombshell' adverts were used to claim taxes would go up under Labour. In truth, evidence after the election showed that most families would have been better off under John Smith's shadow budget but the damage was done. Much as John Smith was a decent and respected figure despite coming from the right of the party, and his death in 1994 was tragic, I would contend that the shadow budget and the way the Tories were able to frame it was the primary reason for Labour's defeat. Frankly, I blame the voters too as they have repeatedly passed up the chance to reject neoliberalism in every election since 1979. Instead working people endlessly vote against their own interests. The 1992 election is very interesting ( at least to me) as it was an inflection point and missed opportunity. Britain would have been a different country if Labour had won. The same argument can be made if John Smith had lived to fight the 1997 election- in all likelihood, Britain would have become much more like continental European democratic socialist or social democratic nations. There would have been no Blairism, further lurch to the right, Iraq, or Brexit. John Smith was prepared to work with the left too, arguably because it was already contained, but he believed in consensus. I am afraid the left is finished in Britain as an electoral force unless a Corbyn like figure emerges in future, but this is doubtful.
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@davecross4493 Labour in 2024 is as far as it is possible to be from its founding mission even though that is still very relevant to the twenty first century. The principles of representing labour (the majority are working class regardless of how they perceive themselves). It is nearly thirty years since various voices in the PLP, Labour Party and wider labour movement expressed concerns about the extent to which Labour had moved to the right under Blair. He accepted the Thatcherite settlement, and Starmer is heir to Blair at a time when the country needs the opposite of the timid, managerialism from Labour in 2024.
You have not said anything about how Labour is going to deliver growth. No-one else knows this either, because it has no plan. The abandonment of the £28 Billion pound green strategy is nothing to do with prudence- it is a dereliction of duty at a time when the economy is in dire straits. A former senior figure at Goldman Sachs and ex Tory peer has said recently that there needs to be borrowing to invest in the public and private sectors to re-boot the economy for growth. Labour has ruled this out, making a virtue of iron fiscal discipline. Time and again this approach has failed and it will again. Ultimately, it is clear that large numbers of people in Britain are content to remain poor, in low paid, precarious jobs, with few prospects, a lack of ability to buy a house should they choose, lack of workers rights due to neutered unions ( Labour will not be reversing the anti trade union laws from the Thatcher era), poor quality public services due to lack of investment, and the rest. Numerous other countries are way ahead of Britain in providing more opportunities for their citizens and have been for decades. The penny is always slow to drop in Britain with a quiescent and largely politically illiterate population that has the type of government it deserves. That is the tragedy.
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@grahamhollingworth8253 Tory lies, being undermined by many in the PLP, Brexit overshadowing other issues in 2019, first past the post, neoliberalism having destroyed the country and captured most of the Labour Party, first past the post, tabloid lies via the worst smears any Labour leader has experienced bar none, a hard right political culture detached from reality and unlike most countries in the world, lack of state funding for political parties and the willingness of most voters to believe that moderate social democracy or democratic socialism if you like, is a threat to the existence of the UK. The real cause of its ills is neoliberalism but people will never learn in Britain. Yes, none of the above anything to do with Corbyn.
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@tomgraham3206 Labour should be making the case that capitalism is not working for the majority and pledging to fix it. By today's standards Roosevelt, who was a capitalist, would seem like a communist, and so would numerous Tory leaders who were broadly speaking adherents of One Nation Toryism. Labour should be making bold but realistic commitments to fix housing and the NHS. Nonsense about reforming the NHS is an abdication of responsibility when it knows that money is needed not another top down reform. Money is the elephant in the room and talk of reform allows the right to pretend anecdote is the plural of data by singling out examples to 'prove' waste, such as the employment of diversity officers ( not even contentious in my view if it helps tackle discrimination in the workplace) and their usual complaints about waste, which they mostly cannot quantify. Money poured in two years after 1997 ( it was a mistake to stick to Tory spending plans for the first two years- former Chancellor Ken Clarke said so and that he would not have adhered to them if he was Labour), and that is what fixed waiting lists. Starmer is the worst leader for Labour and the opposite of what Britain needs. The calibre of many Labour MPs is deeply worrying too, as it is self evident that the intellectual and political heft of the past is sorely absent, notwithstanding the fact that they have not had a chance in government. The signs are not encouraging, to put it mildly. Covid, Ukraine and the stagnation of wages since 2008, and the climate emergency, four huge events that might suggest that people would be receptive to a message of change and renewal if Labour had a leadership willing and/ or capable of articulating it. All point to the role of an enlarged state to use the levers it has to effect change that delivers tangible results that many voters would buy into. Labour's commitment to the status quo of neoliberalism is the very reason why it cannot be the conduit for the change needed. It is the system in place since 1979 that needs to be junked for there to be hope for Britain's future.
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Trickle down economics in action. In the alternative universe the Tories live in, this has still not been debunked and is alive and well. However, working people will continue to vote ( or not bother) against their own interests to prop up the Tories, despite all the evidence that they are destroying lives and have done for at least one hundred years through their policies. From the poverty of the 1920s and 1930s to the destructive force of Thatcherism to the projected 10 million in fuel poverty by October 2022 and the consequent deaths from the cold, they have been on the wrong side of history continually, yet are in government almost permanently.
The 1992 election ( thirty years ago on April 9th), John Smith's tragically cut short leadership of Labour and Corbyn were three chances to change direction and put people before profits and maintain a strong welfare state and economy built on stable investment and jobs. Most voters who switched to Labour in 1997 identified with Tory policies ( focus group evidence), underlining the lack of support for real change which Blair had no intention of delivering anyway; Conservative hegemony is assured under first past the post. That said, if everyone suffering voted the Conservatives out and stopped allowing themselves to be conned time and again, it would send a message that government has to work for all the people. Another world is possible and in other countries most of the issues tearing the social fabric apart in the UK are not happening to the same extent, if at all. Britain' is rotten to the core. I blame the government but also the voters who do not care about society, are apathetic/ fatalistic or whose self esteem is so low they accept poverty as the default. People have the power but not if they do not use it.
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@Jay_Johnson There is a regional imbalance, correct. London and the SE has pulled away from the rest of the UK for a long time. Income inequality has not been addressed by successive governments and education standards in the UK are very poor, no matter how much vested interests like to pretend otherwise (teachers and the unions, including the head teacher unions). Labour did invest in education, but it did not significantly raise standards. The idea of the Northen Powerhouse was a slogan, little else. There were various pots of money for investment but a lack of co-ordination to properly drive it. More like the northern soufle. There is zero prospect of education improving in the UK due to poor quality teaching, shortages across subjects, weak calibre of entrants who have not been educated to a high standard (vicious circle), poor behaviour that little to nothing is done about and a major problem with disengagement by students. Many Science teachers do not even have a 2:2 degree or above. Many teachers at all levels do not possess the gravitas to maintain control. They are also often not supported by management but if they are ineffective, it makes no difference. An OFSTED report in 2014 found that in some schools up to a day a week of learning is lost due to so-called low-level disruption (downgraded by the system to brush it under the carpet years ago). Behaviour has worsened significantly since then. Education is broken and cannot be fixed because almost no-one admits the problem exists. By the time the problem reaches the top of the agenda as it will need to, it will be too late.
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The state of the country is a product of forty years of neoliberalism and capitalist realism ( the late Mark Fisher) which posits that there is no alternative to the current iteration of turbo charged, wild west capitalism. Corbyn offered an alternative which many rejected although it could not have been worse and in all likelihood a lot better. To be clear Corbyn offered mild social democracy, to the right of the 1945 Labour manifesto yet the Overton window has been jammed wide open to the extent that it is easy for the right to demonise anything designed to recalibrate the political system and those who claim to be the on the left ( so called centrists) can claim that anything that promises to help tackle the multiple inequities of life in Britain is a mortal threat to the stability of the system. It was ever thus, going back to the first Labour Government of 1924.
No-one can complain about the mess the country is in if they support first past the post, blame Corbyn for Labour's defeat in 2017 and 2019 ( sabotage by elements of the right in Labour contributed to defeat) or think there was anything remotely far left in the manifestos- there was not. Disagreement about policy proposals is fine but to suggest Labour was too left wing is a misreading of the political landscape of the past seventy years and underlines how far to the right Britain has moved since the election of Margaret Thatcher. This government is a disaster and has done serious damage to the economy, society, cohesion and faith in politics that may be impossible to undo-perhaps the rubicon has been crossed. I am on the left but Brown, Miliband, Corbyn and dare I say it even Blair, at least in domestic policy, offered a more humane alternative in a number of respects.
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